Went with an alliance of 16 or so to do the Minotaur this evening and several of us hung out afterwards in the various libraries waiting for the ???'s to pop for the maps. It seems there's a 30-minute wait after someone obtains a map and the next time the ??? re-spawns. There's also another ??? that bounces around, and two others in one of the libraries which open the doors. We wound up getting three maps for our alliance before folks started getting tired and turning in. A couple logged out there and may get theirs in the morning, if they're lucky enough to be in the area where the ??? appears.

I just wanted to clarify as I've read posts on other forums that suggest that the repop for the map ??? is fewer than 15 minutes. It may be possible, but it appeared exactly 30 minutes after each time for us.

how do i get in here the door is tighly locked is there a quest to be able to get in???

like its said J-7 on the 3rd map

to get there you need a THF or a key to open 1 iron door

get past the 1st map - the octagonal room and climb the ladder
-enter
-follow hallway
-turn right and continue down
-turn left at 1st fork
-go up ladder

2nd map
take a right at teh fork
you should enter an octagonal room head north
LADDER
this time you come to a large room with a giant lake thing in teh middle
Run north and hold the wall till you come to a hallway with a gate
Open teh gate
Go forward and take a right at 1st fork
2nd fork take a right
3rd fork take a left
climb ladder

3rd map
this is the part that is tough without a pt
take the door in the right there is an L hallway with 2 tarus in it that are next to impossible to aviod. if your THF toss up shadows and get flee ready along with perfect dodge when that runs out
Run past the tarus and open the Wooden door straight ahead of you.
hold the right wall and you should go behind a bookcase and see a ??? near some jars
talk to it and get the map

Congratulations

will the fomors aggro me if i dont have fomor hate?
and where is the npc in tavnazian safehold where i can check my fomor hate?

BEWARE THE FORMORS IN P. AQUADUCTS CAN SEE THROUGH THE WOODEN DOORS, I DIED TODAY, CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW!
NOW THE REST OF YOU DO TOO^^

Happy Hunting
-Smo

Do formors aggro in here if you are without sneak or are they like the ones inside the sacarium where if you have 0 formor hate you can walk right beside them without getting attacked?

Just obtained the map a few minutes ago, from the NW corner of the J-9 storeroom, located at the base of a large stack of crates in the corner. Quoting my own previous message:

It's important not to get confused between the "There is nothing out of the ordinary here." ???s, the secret door ???s and the map acquisition ???. The simplest way to sum it up is: the map is not on the shelves, the other two ???s are. Unlike the J-7 room, the J-9 room has two ???s for secret doors, one on the shelves to the right as you enter and one on the shelves around the corner on your right (past the crates where the map can pop). There is also a ??? in jars in the southwestern corner of the room: don't get excited just because it's not on the shelves, it's not the map. If you search it, there's a parchment in it that shows the elemental chart, as a hint for how the torches work. I didn't see any of the "There is nothing out of the ordinary here." ???s, I assume they only pop in the two storerooms without secret doors (J-7 and F-9). Thus, I'd guess, but cannot be sure:

· There are four storerooms, J-7, J-9, F-7, F-9, wherein four types of ??? appear.
· One type of ??? are to open secret doors in the storeroom you're currently in: there are two each for two secret doors on the shelves in each storeroom in J-9 and F-7.
· The second type of ??? is a hint to the elemental correlation between the torches and how to open the path to the ornate gates through the secret hall, this ??? only appears in the southwest corner of the J-9 room.
· The third type of ??? is a random hopping spawn on a ten minute timer. There are 4 total places it can pop, with two pops on the shelves (one in each corner) of the J-7 and F-9 storerooms. These move in a set pattern, alternating corners in the two storerooms every 20 minutes, if the ??? is up in J-7, it will not be in F-9, and vice-versa. When ten minutes from the last pop have elapsed, the ??? will depop and move to one of the corners of the other storeroom. After another 10 minutes passes, the ??? will move again to the corner it was *not* last in, back in the original storeroom. Every 40 minutes the ??? will make a full rotation back to its original position, having completed its pattern. The message when hitting one of these ???s is "There is nothing out of the ordinary here." Their purpose is as yet unknown.
· The fourth ??? gives the key item Map of the Aqueducts when clicked. It can be located in any of the four storerooms, in one of the corners but not on the shelves. After it has been clicked, the ??? depops and repops after a certain amount of time (30 minutes?) in another corner of one of the four storerooms, possibly in the same storeroom it was obtained in.
· Please note some of this information is simply educated guesswork and hearsay, corrections are welcome.

Thus, a party of six could get all 6 of their maps in a couple of hours, if they had their keys farmed (one key for each person, to be safe) or a THF along to open the gates, since the two sections of the third map are reached through different locked gates. Or, you can do a suicide mission as a WHM (or bring along some form of reraise) as I did, but make sure you have 0 fomor hate, else you'll be reraising in the middle of 3 parties of blood-aggro fomor. I got a key farming fomor, and came back solo the next day as 40 WHM/20 SMN, trekked through the taurus carefully until I reached the library main area where the two gates are. From there, I put up Blink, Stoneskin, Reraise and Protect, summoned Fenrir, and tried to sneak by the taurus. When they aggrod, I had Fenrir attack to stall until I could run through the other door and into the fomor library (he lasted all of one attack, but it was long enough). When the taurus killed me, I reraised amidst the fomor and then searched the room. If it's not in that room, you'll have to train back into the main room with the two gates using the same strategy. Also, if you're going to solo it, I suggest going to the J-7/J-9 area, since 99% of the time the map ??? is up, it's going to be there (and if it's in the other storerooms, just wait a couple of hours for people to come through on PM2-3, 0 fomor hate means no aggro).
Sorry for being so long-winded, but I hope this is all of help to people.

Edit: LoL, right after finishing this, I explored the same room I got my map in and the map ??? had repopped at the exact same spot I got it from. Doing a search, I found no-one in zone, so I've edited the bullet list above as needed.

Edited, Fri May 13 07:09:01 2005

I Hope this helps.

Remember you have to touch them at the same time.

If it's lightsday, touch Light and Dark

If it's darksday, touch Light and Dark

If it's watersday, touch Lightning and Fire

If it's firesday, touch Water and Ice

If it's iceday, touch Fire and Wind

If it's windsday, touch Ice and Earth

If it's earthsday, touch Wind and Lightning

If it's lightningsday, touch Earth and Water

the true sight mobs hang near the ladders and you can't use invis while inspecting the ladders anyway. you can walk behind them and not get caught. this is easier in the large rooms than the small rooms. we did some practice on some of the weaker ones while figuring out minotaur strategy - these mobs don't link either. have mages with back turned to mob at all times. everyone will need antidotes and holy water. (they have a poison move that is very potent.) the gaze attack does have a limited-range aoe though. another attack is defense down attack so have erase ready.

only other aggros are formors, slimes, and doomed. they are all sound aggros. other than that everything is passive.

On the first map there's a non-mapped area accessible through (C-9). There is a ladder there, which when you click on it you get the message "It's locked." anyone made it through there?

The way to counter doom is to turn your back on the minotaur/taurus/stegotaurus before he casts it. In my party all the mages were facing the walls and the tank/rng/rng turned their back to them whenever they were preparing doom.
This way, you'll be safe of doom. With this trick in mind we totally owned the aqueduct.

double post, sry

Edited, Fri Jan 7 20:23:33 2005

i forgot to post here when i finished mapping all the hidden areas. so, here is a link to all the maps and connections

Here is a great guide written for this mission:
http://www.gaminghole.org/forums/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1099664257

There is a third map to this area, which is currently not shown on this web site. The storeroom areas (F7, F9, J7, and J9) are on this "missing" map.

Edited, Fri Nov 19 20:31:29 2004

anyone know whre to get the map for this are

We went in with an alliance of two partys having no idea what we had to do. We wooped the Minatour and got nothing. We found a door that said it could be opened with a Bronze Key but we couldnt get drop off Fomor's. It's a tough area which can be sneaked through mostly but there are mobs with true vision there. FYI. Minatour uses doom so have Holy Water. Good luck!