Vana'diel Bestiary: Shiva Prime
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Shiva Prime for Trial by Ice
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Shiva Prime Special Attacks
Historical InformationIn Hindu mythology, Shiva was one of a triumvirate of gods representing the three aspects of the Hindu faith, alongside Brahma (which represented the creator), Vishnu (which represented the preserver). Shiva himself represented the destroyer, the end of all things. In all representations of Shiva, he is shown as having a third eye, located in the center of his forehead, with which he is capable of releasing a beam of intense energy, with which he burned Desire to ashes, and blew off the head of his son Ganesha. In specific instances, Shiva is represented with five faces, each representing one of the five mantras associated with him: Aghora, Isana, Sadyojata, Tatpurusa, and Vamadeva.
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Anonymous
For more defense wouldn't a Paladin be a good subjob for more defense?
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I Have 2 paths to go with my summoner i can either fight the avatars at lvl 20 and spend the money on the items which would be the "Fast" way. Or i Could Wait Another week for some pep i know to gather together and fight the normal avatars i wanna try lvl 20 battles but dont wanna waste money .... dont know what to do.
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I killed her as my lvl 56 WHM. Died the first time around along with every single memeber of my party.
Second time around we had a lvl 75 MNK, who had less HP then a 62 MNK Galka. The MNK soloed the thing during the time of which it used its 2hr ability. Didn't even hurt the MNK, but it nearly killed the 62 Galka.
Only thing I could suggest when fighting this mob is, at least have the WHM use a posion potion. The posion prevents her sleepga attack. And a wearing to any pullers. It seems that anyone that goes to pull this thing gets stuck in one spot and she pounds on them. Lost our 65 PLD on the second time around as he went to go pull the thing and I was waiting for him to return to the camp. Kinda wish the camp was a little closer. Found that spending 10k on potions for soloing the lvl 20 one, was a little much.
Edited, Mon May 10 13:44:24 2004
Second time around we had a lvl 75 MNK, who had less HP then a 62 MNK Galka. The MNK soloed the thing during the time of which it used its 2hr ability. Didn't even hurt the MNK, but it nearly killed the 62 Galka.
Only thing I could suggest when fighting this mob is, at least have the WHM use a posion potion. The posion prevents her sleepga attack. And a wearing to any pullers. It seems that anyone that goes to pull this thing gets stuck in one spot and she pounds on them. Lost our 65 PLD on the second time around as he went to go pull the thing and I was waiting for him to return to the camp. Kinda wish the camp was a little closer. Found that spending 10k on potions for soloing the lvl 20 one, was a little much.
Edited, Mon May 10 13:44:24 2004
I defeated Shiva over the weekend. My party was a 75 pld and mnk with a 60 whm, 61blk 63 rdm, and 61whm(myself).
Just to give you an idea on her astral flow, she did over 800hp of damage on our pld. Was a real quick battle, only took 5min 30sec to defeat her. Though having a mnk does helps.
Just to give you an idea on her astral flow, she did over 800hp of damage on our pld. Was a real quick battle, only took 5min 30sec to defeat her. Though having a mnk does helps.
Anonymous
uncle ben says that first
i think i'll just do the 60 primes...
i wanna run around ronfaure showing off my avatars at level 1 :)
i wanna run around ronfaure showing off my avatars at level 1 :)
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I am only lvl 14 SMN, but I am going to lvl it up 2 lvl 20. Here is the thing, when it comes to this battle, am trying to figure out which would be best sub job to go in with.
BLM= Bind to hold down Shiva until I can recast Carbuncle. Blind to help make Shiva miss.
WHM= Paralyna (for Ice Spikes, if am not mistaken) Aquaveil for recasting of Carbuncle and Dia for weakening Shiva's Def.
Ok, with a BLM its only a small chance that Bind would work on a NM. With a WHM, Aquaveil only helps with preventing interup. its not 100%.
Edited, Fri Apr 23 09:03:38 2004
BLM= Bind to hold down Shiva until I can recast Carbuncle. Blind to help make Shiva miss.
WHM= Paralyna (for Ice Spikes, if am not mistaken) Aquaveil for recasting of Carbuncle and Dia for weakening Shiva's Def.
Ok, with a BLM its only a small chance that Bind would work on a NM. With a WHM, Aquaveil only helps with preventing interup. its not 100%.
Edited, Fri Apr 23 09:03:38 2004
My suggestions:
- sub warrior or monk
- equip yourself as a melee mage tank not as a mage (ie take the extra Defense and Attack over the MP+ and MND+)
- buy a lot of Hi-Potions and a Fish Mithkabob
- get yourself Protect/Shell (the highest version you can find), since it does not wear off while you enter the protocrystal (of course it will wear off after it's usual duration, so make sure you get it right before entering)
- when you get close to the avatar, summon Carbuncle, use Astral Flow, use Searing Light
- melee melee melee
- Hi-Potion when needed
Unless you spend lots more money on Super Ethers, you won't have enough MP to ever summon Carbuncle again. Juice does not refresh fast enough, and you'd be dead long before you have any MP worthwhile. (Unless you just stand there and feed yourself Hi-Potions until you do, but it would be awhile.. there IS a 15 min time limit!)
Shiva basically "attacks" 4 times at once. A double physical attack, ice spikes, and enblizzard. The hits are all in the 10s-20s, with some higher, which add up to a lot of damage, fast. (Also casts elemental spells.) Curing yourself isn't much of an option, so again, you'd need Hi-Potions. Most likely Shiva would resist any enfeebs you throw at her, although I have not tried. (Although if you would happen to successfully bind Shiva, I'm sure she'll be quick to spout off a Blizzard II or something.)
Unless you want to spend uber-gil on Super Ethers and Hi-Potions, I would stick with a warrior or monk sub (for added strength, vitality, etc) and deck yourself out in strong defensive (and evasion) gear. At least this way you only have to buy your Hi-Potions.
Edit: People are rating my suggestions as awful? Please.. it's a tried and proven strategy, as well as useful information about Shiva. Rating the post as awful because you don't like the quest is just plain ignorant. >.<
Edited, Tue Apr 27 02:21:40 2004
- sub warrior or monk
- equip yourself as a melee mage tank not as a mage (ie take the extra Defense and Attack over the MP+ and MND+)
- buy a lot of Hi-Potions and a Fish Mithkabob
- get yourself Protect/Shell (the highest version you can find), since it does not wear off while you enter the protocrystal (of course it will wear off after it's usual duration, so make sure you get it right before entering)
- when you get close to the avatar, summon Carbuncle, use Astral Flow, use Searing Light
- melee melee melee
- Hi-Potion when needed
Unless you spend lots more money on Super Ethers, you won't have enough MP to ever summon Carbuncle again. Juice does not refresh fast enough, and you'd be dead long before you have any MP worthwhile. (Unless you just stand there and feed yourself Hi-Potions until you do, but it would be awhile.. there IS a 15 min time limit!)
Shiva basically "attacks" 4 times at once. A double physical attack, ice spikes, and enblizzard. The hits are all in the 10s-20s, with some higher, which add up to a lot of damage, fast. (Also casts elemental spells.) Curing yourself isn't much of an option, so again, you'd need Hi-Potions. Most likely Shiva would resist any enfeebs you throw at her, although I have not tried. (Although if you would happen to successfully bind Shiva, I'm sure she'll be quick to spout off a Blizzard II or something.)
Unless you want to spend uber-gil on Super Ethers and Hi-Potions, I would stick with a warrior or monk sub (for added strength, vitality, etc) and deck yourself out in strong defensive (and evasion) gear. At least this way you only have to buy your Hi-Potions.
Edit: People are rating my suggestions as awful? Please.. it's a tried and proven strategy, as well as useful information about Shiva. Rating the post as awful because you don't like the quest is just plain ignorant. >.<
Edited, Tue Apr 27 02:21:40 2004
Anonymous
my stratagy for soloing. works almost everytime if done properly
-buy a 3 yagudo drinks, a few poison potions (to stop sleepga from working) and a few hi potions and ethers
(use hi potions when needed)
(use poison potions when needed)
-enter the cloister
-summon carbuncle and use a yagudo drink
-make carby attack shiva and use astral flow
(stand close to shiva when you use astral flow so she doesent move after agroing you)
-make carby use Searing Light
(this will remove agro from you)
-use an ether
-run as far away from shiva as you possibly can before carby dies
-when carby dies resummon him
-he will start attacking shiva
-use another yagudo drink
-make carby use Searing Light ASAP again
-use an ether
-run as far away from shiva as you possibly can before carby dies
-when carby dies resummon him
-he will start attacking shiva
-use another yagudo drink
-make carby use Searing Light ASAP again
(timing needs to be perfect inorder to get 3 Searing Lights off)
-use an ether because astral flow has worne off by now
-shiva should be low enough that carby can kill here on his own now
if all of this is done properly you will be able to kill shiva and other avatars fairly easily
(poison potions only need to be used while fighting shiva)
-buy a 3 yagudo drinks, a few poison potions (to stop sleepga from working) and a few hi potions and ethers
(use hi potions when needed)
(use poison potions when needed)
-enter the cloister
-summon carbuncle and use a yagudo drink
-make carby attack shiva and use astral flow
(stand close to shiva when you use astral flow so she doesent move after agroing you)
-make carby use Searing Light
(this will remove agro from you)
-use an ether
-run as far away from shiva as you possibly can before carby dies
-when carby dies resummon him
-he will start attacking shiva
-use another yagudo drink
-make carby use Searing Light ASAP again
-use an ether
-run as far away from shiva as you possibly can before carby dies
-when carby dies resummon him
-he will start attacking shiva
-use another yagudo drink
-make carby use Searing Light ASAP again
(timing needs to be perfect inorder to get 3 Searing Lights off)
-use an ether because astral flow has worne off by now
-shiva should be low enough that carby can kill here on his own now
if all of this is done properly you will be able to kill shiva and other avatars fairly easily
(poison potions only need to be used while fighting shiva)
I don't think you ever won an avatar fight with the method, because CARBUNCLE GOES AWAY AFTER SEARLING LIGHT AUTOMATICALLY.
Thats why he used the Yag Drink ******.
a few questions..
1) did you do it the warrior-sub-method, and how hard was it (did you get it first try, did you come close to losing, ECT.)
2) i can't tell 100% from that picture, but are you a hume doing this?
3) how much gil will this cost (in drinks, ether, food, potion ECT..how many do you mean when you say you need a bunch?) approximate =)
Thanks alot for the answers to my questions.. if you answer
1) did you do it the warrior-sub-method, and how hard was it (did you get it first try, did you come close to losing, ECT.)
2) i can't tell 100% from that picture, but are you a hume doing this?
3) how much gil will this cost (in drinks, ether, food, potion ECT..how many do you mean when you say you need a bunch?) approximate =)
Thanks alot for the answers to my questions.. if you answer
First attempt I was expecting to lose, since I had no clue what to expect. Subbed white mage, used mage gear (MP+ and MND+), used Melon Pie for the extra MP boost. Let Carbuncle die naturally (didn't use Searing Light) and I used my staff. When I died, Shiva was barely missing any HP. (Perhaps she had lost 1/10th of her HP tank.. and that's being very generous.)
I tried subbing white mage again and used Searing Light immediately, but to no avail. Subbing warrior is, at least in my opinion, the best way to go. (Or subbing monk!) Use high defense and attack gear. These fights are very hard.. no matter what you sub. One good thing is that you don't lose EXP for dying. ^^
Depends on which route you go while fighting will determine how much gil you need to spend. The strategy of using Hi-Potions will run you 10k+ gil. (Hi-Potions are ~1200-1400g on Siren and you'd need 10+ to be safe.) A Fish Mithkabob is ~500g. If you go the Ether route, a Hi-Ether, which restores 50 MP, costs ~1500g on Siren... and you'd need quite a few. (My full MP tank is somewhere around 250.) A Yagudo Drink restores 120 MP over 3 minutes, so you might want to pick one of these up (or 2 or 3 or 4)if you're going the MP way. They used to cost ~1500g on Siren, but oddly they've skyrocketed to ~2500g.
And yes, I am one sexy Hume female. ^^
I tried subbing white mage again and used Searing Light immediately, but to no avail. Subbing warrior is, at least in my opinion, the best way to go. (Or subbing monk!) Use high defense and attack gear. These fights are very hard.. no matter what you sub. One good thing is that you don't lose EXP for dying. ^^
Depends on which route you go while fighting will determine how much gil you need to spend. The strategy of using Hi-Potions will run you 10k+ gil. (Hi-Potions are ~1200-1400g on Siren and you'd need 10+ to be safe.) A Fish Mithkabob is ~500g. If you go the Ether route, a Hi-Ether, which restores 50 MP, costs ~1500g on Siren... and you'd need quite a few. (My full MP tank is somewhere around 250.) A Yagudo Drink restores 120 MP over 3 minutes, so you might want to pick one of these up (or 2 or 3 or 4)if you're going the MP way. They used to cost ~1500g on Siren, but oddly they've skyrocketed to ~2500g.
And yes, I am one sexy Hume female. ^^
I'm going to try the warrior sub method.. even with paying lets say 30k on potions and such per fight.. that still beats the deal of paying level 70+s an emperors hairpin for a tour of the avatars that i've heard people doing... just gotta finish up getting to level 20 with nothing but my rat and faithful elementals >.< I'll post more feedback after i try the fight =)
its only a 1 on 1 fight
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I have all the "real" smns, which take a 65+ PT to get. I was wondering if the smns you can get from this are the same as the smns i have. If i kill all the smns at lvl 20, will i be able to unlock the fenrir quest?
Umm.. the whole "real" thing really pisses me off. Congrats to you for leveling a job to a high level to defeat the primes with a full high-level party, but the avatar primes you fight at level 20 summoner are not a cakewalk. It's even the same mob that you fight. The difference? Both the mob and the summoner are capped at level 20. Try solo'ing the "real" Shiva while both of you are capped at 65. Things are a lot easier when you have a few tanks and damage dealers helping you.
And to back up Nadakai: No, you cannot obtain Fenrir in this manner.
And to back up Nadakai: No, you cannot obtain Fenrir in this manner.
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Well soloing the "real" (for lack of a better word) avatar is kind of different, solo a easy prey at 20, then solo 1 at 60, you may find a difference.... but besides that, yes, it is hard, Though I myself am going to have fun going around with shiva, ifrit, garuda, etc at level 1 ^^;;
Shiva Prime is hardly an easy prey at level 20.
Solo a Rank 3 dragon at level 25 and then we'll talk.
Solo a Rank 3 dragon at level 25 and then we'll talk.
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I know someone who has soloed the rank 3 dragon...
was saying comparing an easy prey at 20 and 60 are way different as an easy prey at 20 will take 1/3 of your life and at 60 will take half or more...
even matches at lvl 60 are impossible to do alone, whereas its a bit easier at lvl 20 to do so.
even matches at lvl 60 are impossible to do alone, whereas its a bit easier at lvl 20 to do so.
But the entire point of this discussion is.. pointless. As a level 60, you have an entire party and you DON'T have to solo it. A full party fighting the level 70 avatar isn't harder than solo'ing the level 20 avatar, unless your party consists or morons or low levels.
I was in a damn good party giving Titan an ***-whooping in which the level 72 Monk took all the damage, and the only other damage dealer was a level 68 Dragoon. Myself and the other White Mage barely dented our MP tanks at the end. The Bard never had to cast a spell. Extremely easy battle.. didn't even have a full party.
I also tried solo'ing Titan at level 20. I would choose to do the regular avatar fights a hundred times before choosing to do the mini-fights. Why? Because the high-level fight is a hell-of-a-lot easier.
(And yes, I know this was posted on Shiva's page, but I haven't fought high-level Shiva yet to make that comparison.)
I was in a damn good party giving Titan an ***-whooping in which the level 72 Monk took all the damage, and the only other damage dealer was a level 68 Dragoon. Myself and the other White Mage barely dented our MP tanks at the end. The Bard never had to cast a spell. Extremely easy battle.. didn't even have a full party.
I also tried solo'ing Titan at level 20. I would choose to do the regular avatar fights a hundred times before choosing to do the mini-fights. Why? Because the high-level fight is a hell-of-a-lot easier.
(And yes, I know this was posted on Shiva's page, but I haven't fought high-level Shiva yet to make that comparison.)
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I dont know what in the world gives you the idea that fighting the lvl 20 cap'd Avatar battles are harder than the Primes. I've seen a friend fight BOth the Prime version of Shiva, and the lvl20 cap'd Shiva, and the lvl 20 was alot easier. With good tactics, and some "spare" gil, this fight is not that hard. Compared to the Primes.. which I saw a 69mnk + a lvl 70pld die twice ina row from Shiva's Astral Flow and a couple of stray hits, she is no joke. The pt had to be raised twice, and fight her 3x ina row just to win. Even with a good party makeup, this fight is very tough. Like the guy said before, 1 mistake can ruin the whole fight, and cause multiple deaths. Lol @ the idea of fighting a prime avatar solo, compared to fighting the lvl 20 avatar solo, theres not even the slightest comparasin to which is harder. After level 40 or 50, you cant even solo most decent challenges.. God forbid you're a dagger Thief, you'll have to be a good 10 lvl higeher than the mob to stand a chance. Easy Prey = Death for sure.
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I dont know what in the world gives you the idea that fighting the lvl 20 cap'd Avatar battles are harder than the Primes. I've seen a friend fight BOth the Prime version of Shiva, and the lvl20 cap'd Shiva, and the lvl 20 was alot easier.
What in the world gives me the idea that fighting the level 20 caps are harder? Hmmm.. could it possibly be because I've fought three avatars mini-battle style (numerous times, numerous strategies) and all the avatars (except Fenrir) in the high-level battles (numerous times)? Yes.. yes I think that's the thing in the world that gives me that idea. I don't care about what you heard about your friend's experiences.
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The pt had to be raised twice, and fight her 3x ina row just to win. Even with a good party makeup, this fight is very tough. Like the guy said before, 1 mistake can ruin the whole fight, and cause multiple deaths.
First of all, that apparently wasn't a good party makeup, or the people messed up. In more than twenty high-level fights, I've seen a total of two deaths. One was the Hume Bard, who got knocked out from an Astral Flow (on Shiva, I think, but I'm not positive). And the other was myself, the last time I fought Garuda, since I was on the melee line refreshing Baraera when the two-hour one-shot me. Even with deaths, those fights were NOT very tough, as long as you know what you're doing. Three times in a row to defeat the avatar? Someone obviously didn't do something right if the party makeup was excellent. One mistake in a mini-fight = death. One mistake in a high-level fight = possible death, but maybe not. There's more room for error in the high-level fights.
My last note: Don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about when I personally have done both and you've only "seen a friend" do it. That crap pisses me off.
All of the avatars you get from the level 20 quests are indeed the same as the ones you get from the level 60+ quests, however, you cannot get Fenrir (from what I understand) by killing them this way (I suppose you don't get the Whispers when you kill them this way)
The same character, Shiva Prime, is now implemented in the Tiny Sized Trial by Ice quest, in which a level 20 summoner can solo Shiva Prime, who is level capped at 20 just like the summoner, to receive the ability to summon Shiva. I estimate this capped Shiva Prime to have about 900-1000 HP. ^^
When you summon her the astral flow smn ability allows her to use diamond dust. Very powerful of course they all are.
Scholar
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Note that she'll also use sleep spells. Be sure to keep your mages away from her, and be prepared to wake up any melee near her.
Also, she (of course!) uses Ice Spikes, which cannot be dispelled.
Edited, Tue Apr 20 10:36:12 2004
Also, she (of course!) uses Ice Spikes, which cannot be dispelled.
Edited, Tue Apr 20 10:36:12 2004
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