Vana'diel Bestiary: Mammet-19 Epsilon  

I tried this yesterday, as 40THF/20NIN...

our set up was:
NIN/WAR
THF/NIN (me)
WHM/BLM
SMN/WHM
RDM/NIN
RDM/nin

When we entered, i pulled the middle into the cave, and the RDM's kited the other 2. They had a few Gravity's and Bind's on em, but eventually they started resisting >_<.

anyhow, 15sec into provoking the main mammet, the NIN died. -_-;

leaving me to tank. i survived 5min lol. I think that THF would be a great Kiter for this fight, i had maxed EVA and Blood Bolts on me, and the only time i got hit was when they used -ga's.

anywho, i got the main one from 90% down to 40% before the SMN 2hrd on the wrong one, and got the other down to 75%. Then the SMN died, soon followed the 2nd RDM, then the 1st RDM, then the WHM, then me, and i stayed alive ~30sec with -ga spells casted on me and a DRG meleeing me.

Anyways, we used only 2 Yellow liquids, and i used squid sushi.
i think i shoulda got a RNG/NIN instead of a 2nd RDM and i coulda helped kite =/ but iono. we died, but it was fun.

GL to everyone else, off to try again ^_^

This was a fun fight and I think I only say this because he beat it on our first try. Our set up was..

NIN/WAR-Rahz
NIN/WAR-Cydd
WAR/NIN*me
SAM/THF-Comidus
WHM/BLM-Astoria
SMN/WHM-Akanne

Basically the SMN and NIN kited 2 of the jerks while the rest of us focused on the middle one. We wanted to pull it to the tunnel but didn't so we just straight killed it in the middle. We tried to yellow liqued it on it's DRG form as much as possible. The NIN's did an awesome job. I two houred at about 50% of the first one and hit it with avalanche axe for about 250.

Once that one died we went over and took on the SMN's jerk. SAM 2 houred at bout 50% on that one too. It died shortly after.

Third one was alive about 10 seconds after that because the SMN 2 hr'd. I think we burned roughly 3-4 yellow liqueds that I saw(i used 2 and 1 NIN used 1) I popped a couple high potions since they enjoy -ga spells.

Everyone was awesome. Happy hunting to everyone else :)

Took us three tries..

Party:
DRK/WAR
NIN/WAR
SAM/THF
WHM/SMN
NIN/WAR
And the gimpy old. RDM/NIN12 me.

Plan was simple, one of the nins and I would pull the side mammets while the other nin would tank the middle. The first two times were "practice" runs and we didn't really use items because due to mostly my gimpiness, the mammet I was kiting would die and then gank the other kiter and then the rest of the party.. On the third try, my binds stuck exceptionally well and I had no problems kiting while they took care of the other mobs. I used a yellow liquid to lock my mammet into dragoon where it stayed for a while.

Moral of story: a) level your sub noob b) get tons of int+ gear if you're gonna be a rdm... If you bind them and they're stuck there, you get tons of time to recast your buffs. In fact, I bet a rdm/blm would do a better job than a rdm/nin because then the binds would last longer. In all, after food, I had only +13int but like +21 evasion which didn't really help me much :\

The strategy for this was really simply, in fact, I had more problems doing the prommies.

Did this last night. First run was just a suicide run to get a feel for it (or so I'd like to say, I'm sure they probably thought we were gon'na get it on the first try). Party set-up was

NIN/WAR
NIN/WAR
MNK/NIN
WAR/NIN
RNG/NIN
WHM/BLM (me)

Both our trial and second attempt we had the NINs kiting the left and right Mammets in opposite directions in the circle and had pulled the middle Mammet to the hallway to fight it. For some reason, kiting was what utterly destroyed us. It was really hard for the NINs to keep hate because they couldn't use the liquid on the Mammets and they kept changing to BLM all at the same time. -Agas being spammed completely and utterly sucks. We ended up wiping. The MNK/NIN totally wasted his 2hr because the Mammet used that damage--/>HP move literally after the first hit. It was funny as hell. But anyway, we wiped, so I Reraised and we changed strategy.

Both NINs straight tanked their Mammet on either side of the circle while the rest of the melee beat on the middle one in the middle. All tanks used the yellow liquid on the DRG-type form to make tanking them all the easier. With straight tanking it only took us 10 minutes to clear, we broke the record of 13 minutes. And to top it off we had no 2hrs, because they all got wasted in the previous fail run.

So yeah. They don't -need- to be kited. And you don't really need 2hrs. They would have made it a hell of alot easier, tho >.>;;;

What are these guys weak against? and what is a good setup with me being SAM? i am on Ifrit character name is Ellesedil please give me a /tell or reply i would really appricate it. and i suck at spelling so noone say anything about i allready know.

Anyone has any idea as to approximately how much HP they have? Thanks.

First and foremost, PLEASE believe the Family of the mob. A lot of people told me it was a Shadow/Undead type, whic scared me.

Its not. Its a Zilart type, and thus, Dark magic and such will work. Absorb-AGI IS your friend, if your a DRK or have one. Lower mob evasion = mob dies faster. Also, i fyou can lock it into Ranger whiloe the AGI- is in effect, its practically useless as i'tll miss 90% to 95% of the time.

We beat it on our 2nd try (our first run was a suicide run where we just got a feel for the batle. On our test run, we got the first Mammit down to half health. No items used, no 2hrs would be used. just a test run):
BST/NIN
BST/WHM
DRK/WAR
PLD/WAR
WHM/BLM
BLM/WHM

Uber easy, only the Tank went into yellow ONCE, and we broke the server record at 13:16, 3 minutes ahead of the old record.

All I can say is if you have a DRK at 40+ whos here, take them. Stun -ga spells, absorb AGI and Vit work wonders, Drain/Aspir from then, bio II stuck and did around 15% of each mammits health. Good luck! Its a very wacky BC....too fun.

OK maybe it's just me but this battle was actually fairly easy when we did it. Record was 13 minutes 50 seconds, we did it in 16 and some change. Not only that, but we did it twice. We did 1 death run, and 2 real runs. Went 2/2 on the real runs.

First party setup:
THF/NIN
THF/NIN
WAR/NIN
SMN/WHM
RDM/BLM
RNG/NIN

Everyone had at least 12 hi-potions.

From my point of view (THF):

I had 13 Hi-Potions, 3 X-Potions, 1 vile elixir, 6 yellow liquids, 4 Periskos au Lait, and 1 Hermes Quencher. I also ate a Jack-o-Lantern for the +10 Evasion. With all my gear and food i was at +36 evasion and +19 Agility. Capped marksmanship and evasion.

RNG and SMN opened with 2 hour, WAR skillchained on himself using an Icarus Wing, and I pulled left Mammet with Venom Bolts (poison kept hate), and other THF pulled right Mammet with something or another. His Marksmanship was pretty weak so it wasn't a crossbow, who knows. maybe a boomerang or something. Ranger died sometime while fighting the first Mammet and didn't have reraise up. Oops. Only 5 people for a good three-fourths of the battle. I had a very easy time keeping hate. It left me once or twice, and I had to shoot at it about twice to get hate back. I recommend 2 Archer's Knives so you don't miss. I had a Chiroptera Dagger and Marauder's Knife. Yellow Liquid worked like a charm, except when I accidentally locked it onto BLM. That owned me pretty bad and ate up a lot of my hi-potions. I think it locks it for about 20-30 seconds, 6 of them is more than enough though. I found the easiest job to fight is against monk, it misses like crazy and hits surprisingly weak. about 40 per hit when it does hit. Just macro your Yellow Liquid and whenever you see it hit for not very much damage, turn around and use it on him. I had to hit Perfect Dodge once because my shadows fell at a bad time, and I also used my Hermes Quencher about the time the second one was nearing death.

The first one went down pretty quick and since the other guy didn't have as good gear and couldn't keep hate as well (no Status Bolts) he brought his in first. They killed it and I brought mine in. Killed it. 16 minutes, 32 seconds. overall was not nearly as hard as I had expected. Seriously, bring as many potions as you can, you won't regret it. Instead of bringing a white mage just bring more damage.


Second party setup (purchased same item / medicine setup as before):
THF/NIN
THF/NIN
WAR/NIN
SMN/WHM
RDM/BLM
BLM/WHM

This one was a bit harder, possibly because the other THF was the person who was the RNG in the previous party and hadn't really planned on doing thief and so gear wasn't optimal for +Evasion. Also didn't have hi-potions, only potions which was a problem. To top it all off, nobody had 2 hours because of previous fight. A couple of people got into serious red more than once. SMN died early and reraised and just kept fighting weakened. RDM was getting his ass kicked but managed to not die. In particular he almost died once when hate changed from me to him and i didn't notice it. Again, I locked it onto black mage accidentally at one point this time because he used his job change almost immediately when I clicked the Yellow Liquid macro. stupid jerk >< I had a slightly harder time keeping shadows up this time, so i ran through more potions than before. probably because i got unlucky and he used his warrior job which totally raped me. Double Attack hurts bad when each hit is 120 points.

After the first one was dead the other THF brought theirs in for the same reason as previous fight. Everyone was getting yellow and red now so it was hard, but they killed it and I brought mine in. I died when it had about 50% hp left but i reraised immediately and stood on the sidelines and fired Venom and Acid Bolts at it which stuck pretty well. That was it.



Overall Recommendation for THF: If your Marksmanship and Evasion are capped, and if you go in with a ton of +Evasion gear, Thief is an extremely good kiter. As mentioned, I had +36 Evasion (couldn't find a Linen Double +1 ><) and +19 Agility. We didn't even have a white mage in either of the setups, which I got the idea for after talking to a few people who said their white mage didn't really do anything super useful except benediction and that wasn't unti 3rd mammet.

General Battle Recommendation: Spend a lot of money on it. Some people have done it 5 times. Probably spent 20k per battle per person. Instead of that, they could have spent 50k and gotten it the first time. More potions = white mage not needed = more damage. As soon as you kill the first one, you've pretty much won the battle as far as I'm concerned. Worst case scenario after killing first one is that everyone dies on the second one, reraise by the stairs and rest up, then go into the battle fully healed and reprepped, except now there's one less mob. I have a video of our fight, but can't host it due to bandwidth limitations ><

Edited, Fri Jan 21 17:23:56 2005

My shell managed to beat this fight with a traditional team configuration - on our fifth try.

Config: PLD, RNG, RNG, RDM, WHM, SMN.

Plan: PLD vokes the center Mammet. RDM engages the right Mammet. SMN engages the left Mammet with Titan.

SMN has pre-prepped with Yagudo Drinks and unleashes Astral Flow aimed at the left Mammet. All three enemies are damaged. Titan stands there for about five seconds, getting beat to death, while the SMN takes off into the field.

When Titan dies, PLD re-vokes the center Mammet, RDM Binds the right Mammet and then takes off running. SMN re-summons Titan to stand around and handle the left Mammet, which is now in hot pursuit.

The SMN and RDM kite their respective Mammets around while the Rangers unleash all they've got on the center Mammet, praying that Transmog. doesn't go up right before Eagle Eye Shot. 2 hour skills are employed. The center Mammet died ...just as our SMN was slain.

The PLD provokes the SMN's Mammet while the RDM keeps Bind-kiting. Original reports on these enemies suggested that it was possible to land Elemental Seal+Gravity on a Mammet for easier kiting; our RDM was completely unable to pull this off in any of the five battles we fought.


Once one of the Mammets is dead it becomes a straight fight with a single player out and kiting. As WHM I was using Yagudo Drinks in addition to a high-MP food to keep my curing power up. After we got the second Mammet killed we rolled to the third and finished up.

We were fortunate. A review of the fight log didn't show a single use of Transmogrification. I have no idea why.


On Yellow Liquid
Practically useless. I read that they used to lock a Mammet's job for the duration of the fight. If they lock it at all now, it's for a very short duration - 30 seconds of a 15 minute battle. Don't put your faith in this item.


This fight is obnoxious and painful. I'm still not sure why they didn't use Transmogrification on our fifth pass. Maybe they felt sorry for us.

well to make life easy i'll explain u fight 3 of these. I'll explain how u can easily win this but I suggest a run through so u know what u are doing. Again no setup is the best but I'll explain how we did it with ours.
1st do a run through and just die, eject from the battlefield in 3 mins (make sure whm has reraise up and reraises outside battlefield)

our setup: blm/whm, whm/blm, rng/nin, pld/war, nin/war, smn/whm

items needed: everyone needs a reraise scroll for when u are rdy as well as 2 hrs

food: mages> snoll gelatos work best as the MP is awesome also carry about 2 hi ethers and 3-4 yag drinks each...smn may need more high ethers
mellees> whatever food is best, pld + nin need about 4 yellow liquids each to freeze the mammet on whatever job it is using....if a mammett goes blm it really sux watch out for the TP abilities

battle: buffs+activate reraise scrolls
- pld, rng, and blm pull middle mammet to stairs and go to town, paralyze works but blm should screw enfeebs and strictly nuke the hell out of 1st mammet as pld keeps hate. Note (blm stay outta aoe range of mammett, use hi-ethers and yag drinks + aspir as necessary) at 50% mammet health pld 2hrs....kill 1st mammett
- smn takes left mammet and kites with carby or fenrir to the portal u entered to the whole opposite side for a while, just go back and forth till 1st mammet is dead
- nin pulls and solos right mammet off to right side

1 mammet down
- smnr still kites left mammett
nin pulls his mammet towards the portal u entered
everyone except the kiting smnr goes here, blm 2hrs and nukes mammet to hell, rng 2 hrs, and whm 2 hrs when/if HP is very low just make damn sure u kill that 2nd mammett

2 mammets down plus reraises
1 mammett left
at this point you have decisions to make as only nin, and smnr have their 2 hrs left, you can either go for the win and pull the smnr kited mammett towards the portal and smn 2 hr the mammett and try to kill it with all the surviving members (check MP) or u can all just die near portal as last mammet kills you all and leaves to go back out to the battlefield (do not leave battlefield entirely, just die near portal)and reraise and wait for weaken then go with 6 fully strong members to school the last mammett.
There is plenty of time for u to reraise and let weaken wear near the portal if you all have a scroll because the mammett leaves and walks back out to the battlefield. Its a hard BCNM but I hope these few tips let you win as well as come up with some of your own strategies ^^

-- Supafly

Well to start out the record on this one is 11 mins on Cerberus. I wish i new how thye did it because we got raped BAD. I truthfully dont know any good advise, but ill tell u what we did.... we came in as 2 rangers/ninja, paldin, white, black, dark...... we tried the shadowbine the 2 outside ones and open up a can of woop ass on the middle but after me and the other ranger missed both barrages>< it seemed not to die fast enough, then when the black 2 houred after that he had all the hate and by that time, binds wore off so all 3 (who shoot these laser thingies really fast) eat thur our blinks it was just a matter of time ,,, ranger died, white died, pld died....(Death).. we had the normal potions,drinks blaa blaa ...but it seems when u do this the first time it all happens so fast u kinda get lost in it all... so any help would be nice from those who have done this and won ...... I am sure i didnt list everything we did right or wrong but hopefully enough to help the next PT that tries this...... Oh BTW we didnt sleep them we were told buy ppl who have tried that u cant sleep them like BCNM 40 style so agin any ideas be a help ... good luck guys...

Oh yea... they also have two special abilities which they use quite frequently...

Transmorgification - Melee/Physical Damage is converted into HP (heals the mob)

Magic Wall - Magic Damage is converted into HP (heals the mob)

The mobs will use either of these abilities at random, so when you fight them be sure to keep an eye out for which one they are using. The effect of the ability lasts for about 20 seconds.

You fight three of these at the same time in CoP Mission 2-5 in a lvl 40 cap BCNM encounter (Riverne Site A-01). They may look kewl... but they are wicked. They have the ability to change jobs at will. When they change jobs, the weapon they are carrying will change.

Example: BLM job will wield a staff. WAR job will wield an axe.

These guys are **NOT** fun....