Better pic of him. Got him today camping for the hello of it.
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Vana'diel Bestiary: Rose Garden
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I did the Marathon run from Kazham to Den of Rancor at the Fan Festival yesterday.
There was a point where I was waiting for a Gob to move, just over the Rose Garden spot, so I decided to check RG while I waited. I peeked over the edge and found... Voluptuous Vilma.
So Vilma DOES exist!
I'd be VERY curious to see if it pops if people leave Rose Garden alone. I mean... yeah, right, nobody's gonna leave something alone if it checks as "Impossible To Gauge!" But seriously... we should try spreading the news, and see if we can ever get Vilma to pop on an actual server. Maybe it drops the same ring as RG, but at a higher drop rate. After being 0/3 on RG myself, I seriously wouldn't complain!
There was a point where I was waiting for a Gob to move, just over the Rose Garden spot, so I decided to check RG while I waited. I peeked over the edge and found... Voluptuous Vilma.
So Vilma DOES exist!
I'd be VERY curious to see if it pops if people leave Rose Garden alone. I mean... yeah, right, nobody's gonna leave something alone if it checks as "Impossible To Gauge!" But seriously... we should try spreading the news, and see if we can ever get Vilma to pop on an actual server. Maybe it drops the same ring as RG, but at a higher drop rate. After being 0/3 on RG myself, I seriously wouldn't complain!
Currently 0-41 on this ring, killing each RG easily with TH3 as 75THF/NIN. I get 2 kills a day, hardly anyone even camps this thing and yet SE still punishes people with a retardedly low drop rate on this NM.
^ Well, I'll be damned! Posted here yesterday about my ****** luck and on the very next kill...VILMA's RING! 1-42 officially, thank god I can move on to other stuff now! ^_^
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I just got drop on Rose Garden last night and I'm SOo happy I don't have sit there above the pit staring down at the Overgrown Rose ever again. I'm 1/9 and 5 out of those 9 were in the last 3 days. I'm currently sick so I really had nothing else I could do but stay in bed and stare out at my computer screen every once in a while. You really need no life and alot of luck to get this thing.
First off WHY ARE PEOPLE SOOO MALICIOUS. There have been four times where someone came by and attacked it. Some not knowing any better but when you see a lv 70+ blm come by, bind kill it and then warp you just want to gut them right there. Worst of it, I don't even see them come back later on. If people would just leave it alone it would pop more often, if it pops more often, more people would get to fight it and there would be a greater chance to get the drop due to the sheer higher number of opportunities. Sorry had to get that outta the way first.
Knowing ToD means NOTHING unless you can stand there the whole entire time and make sure no one disturbs the overgrown rose (It's only the one at I-7) which is part of the luck and the no life portion of this NM. Now camping it straight for so long and taking down times, I noticed something VERY strange put it seems like RG's spawn time isn't random. I had heard that it was 9hrs or 9-12hrs but of the 3 times that I didn't leave at all (the last 2 of the 5 I had to leave in between cuz I was going insane just standing there 30+hrs) RG popped at EXACTLY 10hrs 12min 35sec (give or take 5 sec) after I killed her last.
I know this sounds VERY odd. The first time I killed RG in the last few days I took down the time... then noted the time when it popped again. I was expecting 9hrs but it came to 10hrs 12min and 30something seconds cuz I was taken aback before I could click on the time when it popped. I was talking w/ my friend and we were like "Maybe it's random any time between 9-12hrs after kill?" During that time I didn't leave the area and no one disturbed the OR. After we killed it and got no drop, the 9th hr passed... the 10th hr... and I just noted the time of 10hr 12min and started casting buffs right before it, and lo and behold, it popped EXACTLY at 10hr 12min and 30somethign seconds again! After another no drop I waited around again, this time after 2hrs someone came by and got aggro and ran scraming... (I took the time again)... then after 5 more hrs a blm came by and killed it and warped (I took the time down again) and 10hrs 12min and 30somethign seconds exactly RG popped again from the time the blm killed OR. The last two times I said I had left in between and it didn't pop at the that mark, the 4th was 2hrs later than when it was supposed to and the one after was a good 6hrs later. I wasn't there so I'm not sure if someone had disturbed the OR or not, but I'm guessing someone did. It'd have to be a REALLY big coincidence for that to happen 3 times and in a row at exactly the same interval. Why that amout of time.. Idk, but now that I have the ring, I can give up the data I observed in hopes it helps out someone else.
Drop-rate is horrible ESPECIALLY for how hard it is to even get this thing to pop. There is a rumor that if RG is left alone, it will turn into Voluptious Vilma w/ 100% drops rate. In a perfect world, everyone would just leave RG alone and fight for the claim of VV. Do you know how much time that would save!? A NM that's once per 20 1/2 hrs w/ 100% drop rate compared to how much time it takes to find RG and kill it enough times for it to drop? And it's rare/ex so you know they won't be coming back to camp it again. /sigh a guy can dream but people are too greedy for that I think. Seems to be a 10% droprate on RG.
It doesn't have to be raining for this to pop, I've fought it in the rain, out of the rain... it just rains alot in the jungle so if you fight it enough times, it'll probably be raining when you fight it at some point. As for butterflies, I don't think they're a factor either. I think they only appear at day time, like how the middle flower down there only glows at night time and has nothing to do w/ RG popping.
Oh and btw i'm only a lv 56 Rdm and solo alot hehe. Out of the nine times I've fought it:
Soloed it 4x (died twice)
Duoed w/ a lv60Thf friend 2x
Duoed w/ my lv 46NPC attacker buddy 3x (Thanks Durib!)
I've gone as /nin, /thf, and /war. The time I got drop was w/ my npc as /war. W/ the lv60Thf, it was very easy since he was taking the brunt of it. Soloing it was extremely hard, pulling out converts and 2hrs and the two times I died were due to paralyze and freaking out a bit. (paralyze sucks). W/ the npc buddy it was doable, hard but not insanely hard, just got to keep on your toes. Yes I always carry antidote and echo drops, I used 1 yagudo drink per npc buddy fight, food, and remedy when paralyzed (I learned the hard way to put the gil down for a stack of it for this fight, still have 5 left) my npc was just a DD, I was the tank/enfeebler/DD and always came as a rdm/war w/ him. I wouldn't recomend soloing him unless you can kill a Decent Challenge or Even Match Malboro w/o freaking out.
I never saw her do Hundred Fists but she does do the usual Sweet Breath (damage +sleep), Bad Breath (damage + about every bad thing enfeeble at once), Impale (damage + paralyze), and Vampiric Lash (HP drain). Pray for Vampiric Lash hehe. She did at least 4-7 of those things per every fight Bad Breath usually 1-3 times per my fights. Sweet Breath isn't fun either since being asleep w/ stoneskin on is really not productive. But Sweet Breath can also hit hard, it hit me once for 203 damage once when things were down.
I would give ToD but like I said before, that's really doesn't mean much for "non-kill" NMs. I have pictures to prove the many times I've fought RG and a ring to prove it. Any questions or comments, I'm on Kujata Server -Bairen
First off WHY ARE PEOPLE SOOO MALICIOUS. There have been four times where someone came by and attacked it. Some not knowing any better but when you see a lv 70+ blm come by, bind kill it and then warp you just want to gut them right there. Worst of it, I don't even see them come back later on. If people would just leave it alone it would pop more often, if it pops more often, more people would get to fight it and there would be a greater chance to get the drop due to the sheer higher number of opportunities. Sorry had to get that outta the way first.
Knowing ToD means NOTHING unless you can stand there the whole entire time and make sure no one disturbs the overgrown rose (It's only the one at I-7) which is part of the luck and the no life portion of this NM. Now camping it straight for so long and taking down times, I noticed something VERY strange put it seems like RG's spawn time isn't random. I had heard that it was 9hrs or 9-12hrs but of the 3 times that I didn't leave at all (the last 2 of the 5 I had to leave in between cuz I was going insane just standing there 30+hrs) RG popped at EXACTLY 10hrs 12min 35sec (give or take 5 sec) after I killed her last.
I know this sounds VERY odd. The first time I killed RG in the last few days I took down the time... then noted the time when it popped again. I was expecting 9hrs but it came to 10hrs 12min and 30something seconds cuz I was taken aback before I could click on the time when it popped. I was talking w/ my friend and we were like "Maybe it's random any time between 9-12hrs after kill?" During that time I didn't leave the area and no one disturbed the OR. After we killed it and got no drop, the 9th hr passed... the 10th hr... and I just noted the time of 10hr 12min and started casting buffs right before it, and lo and behold, it popped EXACTLY at 10hr 12min and 30somethign seconds again! After another no drop I waited around again, this time after 2hrs someone came by and got aggro and ran scraming... (I took the time again)... then after 5 more hrs a blm came by and killed it and warped (I took the time down again) and 10hrs 12min and 30somethign seconds exactly RG popped again from the time the blm killed OR. The last two times I said I had left in between and it didn't pop at the that mark, the 4th was 2hrs later than when it was supposed to and the one after was a good 6hrs later. I wasn't there so I'm not sure if someone had disturbed the OR or not, but I'm guessing someone did. It'd have to be a REALLY big coincidence for that to happen 3 times and in a row at exactly the same interval. Why that amout of time.. Idk, but now that I have the ring, I can give up the data I observed in hopes it helps out someone else.
Drop-rate is horrible ESPECIALLY for how hard it is to even get this thing to pop. There is a rumor that if RG is left alone, it will turn into Voluptious Vilma w/ 100% drops rate. In a perfect world, everyone would just leave RG alone and fight for the claim of VV. Do you know how much time that would save!? A NM that's once per 20 1/2 hrs w/ 100% drop rate compared to how much time it takes to find RG and kill it enough times for it to drop? And it's rare/ex so you know they won't be coming back to camp it again. /sigh a guy can dream but people are too greedy for that I think. Seems to be a 10% droprate on RG.
It doesn't have to be raining for this to pop, I've fought it in the rain, out of the rain... it just rains alot in the jungle so if you fight it enough times, it'll probably be raining when you fight it at some point. As for butterflies, I don't think they're a factor either. I think they only appear at day time, like how the middle flower down there only glows at night time and has nothing to do w/ RG popping.
Oh and btw i'm only a lv 56 Rdm and solo alot hehe. Out of the nine times I've fought it:
Soloed it 4x (died twice)
Duoed w/ a lv60Thf friend 2x
Duoed w/ my lv 46NPC attacker buddy 3x (Thanks Durib!)
I've gone as /nin, /thf, and /war. The time I got drop was w/ my npc as /war. W/ the lv60Thf, it was very easy since he was taking the brunt of it. Soloing it was extremely hard, pulling out converts and 2hrs and the two times I died were due to paralyze and freaking out a bit. (paralyze sucks). W/ the npc buddy it was doable, hard but not insanely hard, just got to keep on your toes. Yes I always carry antidote and echo drops, I used 1 yagudo drink per npc buddy fight, food, and remedy when paralyzed (I learned the hard way to put the gil down for a stack of it for this fight, still have 5 left) my npc was just a DD, I was the tank/enfeebler/DD and always came as a rdm/war w/ him. I wouldn't recomend soloing him unless you can kill a Decent Challenge or Even Match Malboro w/o freaking out.
I never saw her do Hundred Fists but she does do the usual Sweet Breath (damage +sleep), Bad Breath (damage + about every bad thing enfeeble at once), Impale (damage + paralyze), and Vampiric Lash (HP drain). Pray for Vampiric Lash hehe. She did at least 4-7 of those things per every fight Bad Breath usually 1-3 times per my fights. Sweet Breath isn't fun either since being asleep w/ stoneskin on is really not productive. But Sweet Breath can also hit hard, it hit me once for 203 damage once when things were down.
I would give ToD but like I said before, that's really doesn't mean much for "non-kill" NMs. I have pictures to prove the many times I've fought RG and a ring to prove it. Any questions or comments, I'm on Kujata Server -Bairen
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this NM is alot like Noble Mold in The Sanctuary of Zi'Tah
and i hate both of them *sigh*
T.T
i have heard a rumor that you need double water ele for it to pop.. and when butterflies around the area start to apear that means it is going to pop soon.
not sure if that is true just info i have heard from my friend who was camping it and poped for him.
Edit:
ok so i just was in a party and the party ended so for some reason i just had a feeling to go check up on RG so i run up and just a placeholder sitting there so i auto follow it around for about.. 1 hour maybe less, im reading info on somepage and all of a sudden i see the placeholder despawn and rose garden pop! i totally freak and with out thinking i dia it.. now ima lvl 74 whm blm sub and its pwning me bad!
im trying to keep stoneskin up and slowing it and binding it as much as i can and im screaming to ls but they are all like "whats a rose garden?" -.- finally i get one of my thf friends to come. Hes 75 with a thf knife and all thf af2! i was sure the ring would drop but noooo!!! >< i was so pissed oh well 0/1
heres some info when it poped
1.) i was all alone and barely anyone was in zone so im guessing no one was around to kill place holders
2.) its was double water ele when it poped and fires day
3.) full moon 95%
4.) poped at 2:49 AM and about 09:09 in game
Edited, Sun Feb 12 02:10:33 2006
and i hate both of them *sigh*
T.T
i have heard a rumor that you need double water ele for it to pop.. and when butterflies around the area start to apear that means it is going to pop soon.
not sure if that is true just info i have heard from my friend who was camping it and poped for him.
Edit:
ok so i just was in a party and the party ended so for some reason i just had a feeling to go check up on RG so i run up and just a placeholder sitting there so i auto follow it around for about.. 1 hour maybe less, im reading info on somepage and all of a sudden i see the placeholder despawn and rose garden pop! i totally freak and with out thinking i dia it.. now ima lvl 74 whm blm sub and its pwning me bad!
im trying to keep stoneskin up and slowing it and binding it as much as i can and im screaming to ls but they are all like "whats a rose garden?" -.- finally i get one of my thf friends to come. Hes 75 with a thf knife and all thf af2! i was sure the ring would drop but noooo!!! >< i was so pissed oh well 0/1
heres some info when it poped
1.) i was all alone and barely anyone was in zone so im guessing no one was around to kill place holders
2.) its was double water ele when it poped and fires day
3.) full moon 95%
4.) poped at 2:49 AM and about 09:09 in game
Edited, Sun Feb 12 02:10:33 2006
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Where is the position to camp this guy? >< or are there 5 camps to go look around? @_@
Rose Garden is from a dangerous new breed of NMs. If you are one of those lucky few "lucky" enough to run up and find her just sitting there, I encourage you to think twice before claiming. If you do claim her, though, I hope you get her ring, because if you don't this NM could consume your life.
You can't just leave her and come back during the window. Because her window changes. It can change dozens of times between spawns. It's why no one saw her for months--people kept killing the placeholder and pushing the spawn time further and further away.
I've read numerous reports from people that said someone would always come and kill the placeholder right at the 11th hour, when Rose Garden was due to spawn any minute. How true this is. People don't always mean to do it to be mean, many of them just don't know about Rose Garden. But some of them do, and they want it all for themselves.
I'm giving up camping the beast. Maybe I'll logout at her spawn point sometimes--it's what I did when I first claimed her. But the disparagement of seeing that placeholder killed during Rose Garden's window, after seeing nothing drop from Rose Garden so many times (even with a TH2+1 THF) is just not worth it to me anymore. Not until tomorrow at least.
Best of luck to everyone on this thing--don't let her consume you.
Edited, Tue Jan 17 21:07:29 2006
You can't just leave her and come back during the window. Because her window changes. It can change dozens of times between spawns. It's why no one saw her for months--people kept killing the placeholder and pushing the spawn time further and further away.
I've read numerous reports from people that said someone would always come and kill the placeholder right at the 11th hour, when Rose Garden was due to spawn any minute. How true this is. People don't always mean to do it to be mean, many of them just don't know about Rose Garden. But some of them do, and they want it all for themselves.
I'm giving up camping the beast. Maybe I'll logout at her spawn point sometimes--it's what I did when I first claimed her. But the disparagement of seeing that placeholder killed during Rose Garden's window, after seeing nothing drop from Rose Garden so many times (even with a TH2+1 THF) is just not worth it to me anymore. Not until tomorrow at least.
Best of luck to everyone on this thing--don't let her consume you.
Edited, Tue Jan 17 21:07:29 2006
I want to thank SE for one of the most aggravating NMs in the game. I will offer my experience with it and you can come to your own conclusions.
The Overgrown Rose will transform into Rose Garden if it's been alive for more than 9 hours. I've seen this happen at exactly 9 hours and have seen it take as long as 14 hours. For me, it most commonly happens after 10 or 12 hours. If you kill the Overgrown Rose placeholder, it resets the timer, but doesn't seem to add extra time to it. I.e. it's not going to take 20 hours of the Overgrown Rose sitting there for it to spawn.
Good luck not having someone come by and kill the placeholder. I don't know how many times I've had someone kill the thing just as the 10 hour mark was nearing. Sometimes it's accidental, sometimes it's malicious.
To cap off the whole thing, the drop rate is abysmal. Why it's so terrible for a Rare/Ex item that's supposed to substitute for the outrageously expensive astral ring is beyond me.
I'm currently 0/9 on this stupid plant and have a nice collection of malboro vines and wild pineapples to show for all the hours of staring at it.
My only consolation is that I have a group to suffer with, because I see a lot of the same people every day out there camping it. Makes you feel a little bit better knowing you aren't the only one being pissed off by SE.
So just as a side not, finally the got the ring on the 14th try.
Decided to check on it before going to SSG to fish and it was just sitting there.
If you get the drop on the first kill, consider yourself extremely lucky.
Never want to see this weed again. ~.~
Edited, Mon May 8 15:32:08 2006
The Overgrown Rose will transform into Rose Garden if it's been alive for more than 9 hours. I've seen this happen at exactly 9 hours and have seen it take as long as 14 hours. For me, it most commonly happens after 10 or 12 hours. If you kill the Overgrown Rose placeholder, it resets the timer, but doesn't seem to add extra time to it. I.e. it's not going to take 20 hours of the Overgrown Rose sitting there for it to spawn.
Good luck not having someone come by and kill the placeholder. I don't know how many times I've had someone kill the thing just as the 10 hour mark was nearing. Sometimes it's accidental, sometimes it's malicious.
To cap off the whole thing, the drop rate is abysmal. Why it's so terrible for a Rare/Ex item that's supposed to substitute for the outrageously expensive astral ring is beyond me.
I'm currently 0/9 on this stupid plant and have a nice collection of malboro vines and wild pineapples to show for all the hours of staring at it.
My only consolation is that I have a group to suffer with, because I see a lot of the same people every day out there camping it. Makes you feel a little bit better knowing you aren't the only one being pissed off by SE.
So just as a side not, finally the got the ring on the 14th try.
Decided to check on it before going to SSG to fish and it was just sitting there.
If you get the drop on the first kill, consider yourself extremely lucky.
Never want to see this weed again. ~.~
Edited, Mon May 8 15:32:08 2006
Scholar
28 posts
After hours of research and personal experience I have figured some things out. So many of the posts here claim "guaranteed spawn after 10 hours" and some say they camped for 20+ hours and got nothing. Well NOBODY bothered to clarify WHICH ToD they were using, the ToD of the PH or the ToD of the actual NM. This is how it works.
If the NM is killed, the PH needs to go unkilled for 10+ hours for the NM to spawn. However if the PH is killed, it doubles the spawn time, and the NM will spawn after 20+ hours after the PH is killed.
If the NM is killed, the PH needs to go unkilled for 10+ hours for the NM to spawn. However if the PH is killed, it doubles the spawn time, and the NM will spawn after 20+ hours after the PH is killed.
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After hours of research and personal experience I have figured some things out. So many of the posts here claim "guaranteed spawn after 10 hours" and some say they camped for 20+ hours and got nothing. Well NOBODY bothered to clarify WHICH ToD they were using, the ToD of the PH or the ToD of the actual NM. This is how it works.
omg. NO. It's 10 hours after you kill the PH and the same happen if you kill the NM and the same happens if someone pulls and zone. The timer reset in all these cases, just this.
The system of spawning its nice: it will be the answer to the NM monopolizing and for the first time is possible to go and see an NM that drops wonderful item there, just unclaimed. I'ts not impossible to get her, just a little patience, its just the drop rate that is absolutely r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s and made me quit off with her. I'll try when I'll be fired from my company
...Fraid not! >.>
I really hate this biotch!
I have spent a total of around 80 hours camping it, and can vouch for the following:
Overgrown Rose is the placeholder, and cant be touched for approx 10hours. I saw it 12 times, and 6 of them were on the nose right after each other within 5 mins of the ToD 10 hours ago.
After doin other stuff for a few days, I went afk in the area just to get Tod (unequip linkpearl, and change status to away so you dont get spammed with info you dont need)...
I saw that people would kill it (normally chip farmers, or towards the end people just resetting the timer so they could come back in 10 hrs >.<;) ie kill Overgrown, warp! >:(
The NM popped again, 10 hours after the PH death every time...
No time penalty on NM just because some *** wants to come along and kill PH =P
(These do drop laquer Tree Logs though, so there are often people killing them for legit reasons)
My first experience of actually seeing it was:
Went afk with /sit to get ToD. Went to shops. Came back about 2hrs later to find it had agroed me (73 RDM at the time, and I died and delevelled! ; ;)
The last thing on the screen was Rivendell was defeated by the Rose Garden >.<; so it couldnt have long killed me when I got in.
I HP'd, jumped on the airship, grabbed a choco, and went straight there, but it had either been killed or depopped (10mins later)
**Also saw someone agro it, and warp. This also reset the timer XD
I used to thing that the best way to camp it was to go /follow the PH ^_^ lol
This made sure that whenever it turned into the NM I would be right there, but the last time I did this, I ended up on autorun for some reason and went right through it and missed the claim >.<;
0/6 anyway, and it really is down to luck unless you permanently camp it. ToD can change in the space of 5mins... =(
I really hate this biotch!
I have spent a total of around 80 hours camping it, and can vouch for the following:
Overgrown Rose is the placeholder, and cant be touched for approx 10hours. I saw it 12 times, and 6 of them were on the nose right after each other within 5 mins of the ToD 10 hours ago.
After doin other stuff for a few days, I went afk in the area just to get Tod (unequip linkpearl, and change status to away so you dont get spammed with info you dont need)...
I saw that people would kill it (normally chip farmers, or towards the end people just resetting the timer so they could come back in 10 hrs >.<;) ie kill Overgrown, warp! >:(
The NM popped again, 10 hours after the PH death every time...
No time penalty on NM just because some *** wants to come along and kill PH =P
(These do drop laquer Tree Logs though, so there are often people killing them for legit reasons)
My first experience of actually seeing it was:
Went afk with /sit to get ToD. Went to shops. Came back about 2hrs later to find it had agroed me (73 RDM at the time, and I died and delevelled! ; ;)
The last thing on the screen was Rivendell was defeated by the Rose Garden >.<; so it couldnt have long killed me when I got in.
I HP'd, jumped on the airship, grabbed a choco, and went straight there, but it had either been killed or depopped (10mins later)
**Also saw someone agro it, and warp. This also reset the timer XD
I used to thing that the best way to camp it was to go /follow the PH ^_^ lol
This made sure that whenever it turned into the NM I would be right there, but the last time I did this, I ended up on autorun for some reason and went right through it and missed the claim >.<;
0/6 anyway, and it really is down to luck unless you permanently camp it. ToD can change in the space of 5mins... =(
Scholar
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Well, I did the autofollow thing too. some jackass rdm killed the PH, so I set autofollow on. I was autofollowing it for 26 hours before rose garden finally spawned. everybody else that camped this thing had the same thing happen when the PH was killed instead of Rose Garden.
I have a question to which Im not sure anyone will have an answer yet:
If you HOLD the mob claimed for a full 10 hours, will the Garden still spawn from it? IE: is the timer running during claimed time, from ToD, or put on pause during claim?
There seems to be three trains of thought on the pop timer: x time from ToD, in which case claiming the mob has no effect on the timer, x time from time of claim/aggro, in which case again, one claimed it will be exactly 10 hours, or something completely different.
Has anyone tried a marathon PH holding session? Will rose garden pop from a claimed PH?
If you HOLD the mob claimed for a full 10 hours, will the Garden still spawn from it? IE: is the timer running during claimed time, from ToD, or put on pause during claim?
There seems to be three trains of thought on the pop timer: x time from ToD, in which case claiming the mob has no effect on the timer, x time from time of claim/aggro, in which case again, one claimed it will be exactly 10 hours, or something completely different.
Has anyone tried a marathon PH holding session? Will rose garden pop from a claimed PH?
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Possible that you all did not understood how it works?
It is a 10 hours repop *guaranteed* (max gap 15 exact minutes) but the real fun is that it's timer resets when something happens to the PH: pulling it reset the timer even if it is not killed. And I am 101% sure of it.
The only thing I am not sure of is if the timer resets even if the PH agroes someone.
What I am not believing at all is all this ppl that are dropping the ring at the first kill. Camping it in cooperation with a jp girl our result is 0/7 for me and 1/23 for her.
I simply hate the luck some ppl have (if it is a true drop and not some bs wrote just to get some rate up -_-)
EDIT: just to notify that 1 of my pulls where with TH2. all the rest I fought it alone as RDM/BLM71. The girl was WHM/BLM75 and only ten (I cannot guarantee the exact number) of those have been with TH2.
Edited, Thu Jan 5 17:51:20 2006
It is a 10 hours repop *guaranteed* (max gap 15 exact minutes) but the real fun is that it's timer resets when something happens to the PH: pulling it reset the timer even if it is not killed. And I am 101% sure of it.
The only thing I am not sure of is if the timer resets even if the PH agroes someone.
What I am not believing at all is all this ppl that are dropping the ring at the first kill. Camping it in cooperation with a jp girl our result is 0/7 for me and 1/23 for her.
I simply hate the luck some ppl have (if it is a true drop and not some bs wrote just to get some rate up -_-)
EDIT: just to notify that 1 of my pulls where with TH2. all the rest I fought it alone as RDM/BLM71. The girl was WHM/BLM75 and only ten (I cannot guarantee the exact number) of those have been with TH2.
Edited, Thu Jan 5 17:51:20 2006
So Thetis finally got it. That's great. =) I figured since I don't see that name in Yuhtunga anymore.
And for the rest of you, I can personally attest to the accuracy of the above. Fairly rare drop, and you'll get 2 cracks at it a day if no one else is a jerk about camping it.
If someone's killing a Rose and then warping away, I'd bet they're attempting to set the ToD for themselves. Which is silly, considering all you then have to do is kill it some hours later to royally ***** them up.
Play nice and take your shots at it, along with whoever else wants to. Otherwise everyone who wants it is going to waste an awful lot of time.
And for the rest of you, I can personally attest to the accuracy of the above. Fairly rare drop, and you'll get 2 cracks at it a day if no one else is a jerk about camping it.
If someone's killing a Rose and then warping away, I'd bet they're attempting to set the ToD for themselves. Which is silly, considering all you then have to do is kill it some hours later to royally ***** them up.
Play nice and take your shots at it, along with whoever else wants to. Otherwise everyone who wants it is going to waste an awful lot of time.
Well I've been camping this thing for a while, and everyday there're someone killing the PH, if the pop condition is keeping the PH alive for 12hours, then I don't think that is possible at all.
People simply come by and kill it no matter what, you get jerks that kills it because he doesn't camp it and heard of this NM, or people that kills the PH thinking the real one would spawn 5mins after it's dead, when he doesn't see the NM pop, they simply walk away and do something else or warp.
I've seen someone come kill it and just warp out of there. I think SE just made this NM so people get a new way to frustrate others =P
People simply come by and kill it no matter what, you get jerks that kills it because he doesn't camp it and heard of this NM, or people that kills the PH thinking the real one would spawn 5mins after it's dead, when he doesn't see the NM pop, they simply walk away and do something else or warp.
I've seen someone come kill it and just warp out of there. I think SE just made this NM so people get a new way to frustrate others =P
ok, I had just gotten my Opo-opo Crown. I was so happy and over welled with joy.
I said what the heck, lets check Rose Garden... I jump on a choco... and He was sitting right there... My jaw dropped...
I got off and stunned her...Being 74DRK/17BLM I was getting hit for most being 119(crit) and 53(non crit)
I was already 0/3, and my LS thought I was lieing.
Took me to 466HP (with me using my 2 hour) NEver had her do that before, I dont know if it was because it was lights day or if I was subbing WHM.
End of the story, I killed with guilla and BOOM!
VILMA RING....
Best day of my FF life,
Finally got my Opo-opo Crown, and my Vilma Ring! ; - ;!!!!
<3!!Reece
Killied: 20:31 Lights day
Bismarck ServerToD: 10:23PM Date being Dec.27,2005
Should pop again in the next 9-26~27 hours(Those were my recored. Good luck to all that kill!!
I said what the heck, lets check Rose Garden... I jump on a choco... and He was sitting right there... My jaw dropped...
I got off and stunned her...Being 74DRK/17BLM I was getting hit for most being 119(crit) and 53(non crit)
I was already 0/3, and my LS thought I was lieing.
Took me to 466HP (with me using my 2 hour) NEver had her do that before, I dont know if it was because it was lights day or if I was subbing WHM.
End of the story, I killed with guilla and BOOM!
VILMA RING....
Best day of my FF life,
Finally got my Opo-opo Crown, and my Vilma Ring! ; - ;!!!!
<3!!Reece
Killied: 20:31 Lights day
Bismarck ServerToD: 10:23PM Date being Dec.27,2005
Should pop again in the next 9-26~27 hours(Those were my recored. Good luck to all that kill!!
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I followed the instruction on FFXI Somepage, and did it what it told me, "not kill overgrown rose for extended time", and waited couple hours. Actually I checked around 11:00am PST this morning, and I left, then came back to that area at about 2:00pm, waiting about an hour it poped. THE PLACEHOLDER DISAPPEARS, and the rose garden pops, and that's how rose garden appears... specific condition I don't know... I just followd ffxi somepage
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I've camped this NM for almost 2 months now and have invested a lot of time into it. From what I've gathered when someone kills the PH, it resets the timer. So, why would anyone want to "add time?" That doesn't seem to make any sense. You actually want to shorten time. The GM's response to adding time seems confusing at best. The GM should have said "I can't shorten the time."
It also doesn't help when you have a psycho RDM named Kamugi (Midgardsormr Server) running around who's sole purpose in life seems to be to cause stress, pain and suffering to those around her by constantly killing PH regardless of who or how many people are standing there. Her philosophy seems to be "If I can't have it, no one will" and this just adds to the time it takes for this NM to pop again for everyone. I've never even seen her stand here and actually camp it; only ride up on her Choco and jump off like the bearer of death, kill the PH and warp away.
If people keep killing PH, it just makes the wait time longer for them and everyone else. It also makes no sense for the NM to pop less, rather than more. That's just selfish and downright wrong. This NM can pop twice a day if we just left it alone.
I'm about 0/10 now on this ring too and doesn't help matters much that the drop rate is worse than a Thief's Knife.
It also doesn't help when you have a psycho RDM named Kamugi (Midgardsormr Server) running around who's sole purpose in life seems to be to cause stress, pain and suffering to those around her by constantly killing PH regardless of who or how many people are standing there. Her philosophy seems to be "If I can't have it, no one will" and this just adds to the time it takes for this NM to pop again for everyone. I've never even seen her stand here and actually camp it; only ride up on her Choco and jump off like the bearer of death, kill the PH and warp away.
If people keep killing PH, it just makes the wait time longer for them and everyone else. It also makes no sense for the NM to pop less, rather than more. That's just selfish and downright wrong. This NM can pop twice a day if we just left it alone.
I'm about 0/10 now on this ring too and doesn't help matters much that the drop rate is worse than a Thief's Knife.
ReeceBismarck wrote:
We call a GM to see if he could help us in anyway...
"I'm sorry I cannot add time. I cant give you anymore info, Thankyou for your call"
Wow...
So... Heard it from a GM, the spawn does have something to do with time.
"I'm sorry I cannot add time. I cant give you anymore info, Thankyou for your call"
Wow...
So... Heard it from a GM, the spawn does have something to do with time.
Actually he didn't tell you anything at all. He said he can't add time which could mean that time has somthing to do with it, or it could mean that he's not able to because there is no timer.
Edited, Thu Dec 22 21:48:53 2005
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I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
I just thought it funny that he would even mention a timer at all. The only thing we told him was that they killed our place holder and if there was anything he could do about it.
Hey maybe there isnt a timer, but the look at my ToDs, (I believe they were 9hours:49 mins, 14hours, and 27 hours) He maybe just a pure lotto after a 8 hours sleep timer.
(shurgs)
Hey maybe there isnt a timer, but the look at my ToDs, (I believe they were 9hours:49 mins, 14hours, and 27 hours) He maybe just a pure lotto after a 8 hours sleep timer.
(shurgs)
Last night I showed up the the Rose Garden area around 9 hours after the update, and a friend was camping too. I thought it only fare to invite him if I claimed so he could lot agiest me. I waitted about 49 mins... Watching waiting... Then I turn on my radio look up, and its despawning!! So I spam Charm!! I claimed, invited my friend (75THF TH3)
We kill it, 2 vines drop, I'm like yiff~ and Daniella is like noooooooooooooo!
I said I was gonna be back at the 8 hour mark, I set my alarm... and head to bed...
I wake up, I'm still auto-targeted and widescan is still on it. My THF friend shows back up, I invite him, we sit no more than 3 mins, and a party levelingNPCs/skillingup, walks up to the PH and starts beating on it, I start spamming stop.... They kill it...
GREAT! ToD is lost!
We call a GM to see if he could help us in anyway...
"I'm sorry I cannot add time. I cant give you anymore info, Thankyou for your call"
Wow...
So... Heard it from a GM, the spawn does have something to do with time. I think 8-12, maybe 8-24... I'll repost when I see a pop again, I hope I can get the full info on this guy.
GL, Reece
Edit: Ok, 14 hours later... non stop camping he pops again... I claimed, and I have abit more info.
He has a high Auto Regen.
and he poped no weather, Firesday.
Dont think its 8-12 anymore...
and its possible its a 21-24, but by what I have read its not likly.
Again new theory, Needs to be up 8+ or 12+ hours, and then its a lotto.
Really, this is a big puzzel. Well anyways.
Now I'm 0/2 (sigh)
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Edit: ok! 27 hours after the last death...
(Starting to hate this guy) He pops again
Same old Same old, no drop
Poped for the third time for Firesday
Waxing Gibbous (67%)
Worst part 0/3...
I'll be back with more ToDs....Grr
Edited, Fri Dec 23 05:54:43 2005
We kill it, 2 vines drop, I'm like yiff~ and Daniella is like noooooooooooooo!
I said I was gonna be back at the 8 hour mark, I set my alarm... and head to bed...
I wake up, I'm still auto-targeted and widescan is still on it. My THF friend shows back up, I invite him, we sit no more than 3 mins, and a party levelingNPCs/skillingup, walks up to the PH and starts beating on it, I start spamming stop.... They kill it...
GREAT! ToD is lost!
We call a GM to see if he could help us in anyway...
"I'm sorry I cannot add time. I cant give you anymore info, Thankyou for your call"
Wow...
So... Heard it from a GM, the spawn does have something to do with time. I think 8-12, maybe 8-24... I'll repost when I see a pop again, I hope I can get the full info on this guy.
GL, Reece
Edit: Ok, 14 hours later... non stop camping he pops again... I claimed, and I have abit more info.
He has a high Auto Regen.
and he poped no weather, Firesday.
Dont think its 8-12 anymore...
and its possible its a 21-24, but by what I have read its not likly.
Again new theory, Needs to be up 8+ or 12+ hours, and then its a lotto.
Really, this is a big puzzel. Well anyways.
Now I'm 0/2 (sigh)
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Edit: ok! 27 hours after the last death...
(Starting to hate this guy) He pops again
Same old Same old, no drop
Poped for the third time for Firesday
Waxing Gibbous (67%)
Worst part 0/3...
I'll be back with more ToDs....Grr
Edited, Fri Dec 23 05:54:43 2005
overgrown rose (i-7) must not be killed for approximately 10-13 hours for rose garden to pop. if the placeholder is killed, the window will reset from its new time of death. i'll get back to everyone on if the window expands (20+hr?) if the placeholder is killed by some jackass (as someone suggested on another forum) soon..
If you don't believe it, watch this video. It's someone record during the time when it was Overgrown Rose changed to Rose Garden.
So NEVER NEVER NEVER kill the placeholder and it will pop.
http://ffxi.ganaware.jp/D/flash/up/src/up0964.mpg.html
So NEVER NEVER NEVER kill the placeholder and it will pop.
http://ffxi.ganaware.jp/D/flash/up/src/up0964.mpg.html
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Heh I havnt camped this one yet, although I'd really like the ring as I'm too poor for an astral. However the names of the mobs involved makes perfect sense, if you think about it, its disgustingly simple. You dont kill the overgrown roses so they go unpruned and become Rose Garden lol. Something to that effect. Ok, that amused me, thats all i had to say.
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Ok, So for the past 3 days I have camped her while I was away. 2 days in a row she spawned sometime between 12-8pm. By looking at my logs it seems as if it was closer to 4-8pm (Friends said hello to me and remembered the time it was).
So this morning I go to bed at 4:30am and wake up at 11am and scroll up on my logs. Someone killed Rose Garden. and when I check the logs on that fight it was RIGHT after I went to bed /cry. I know because an HNM was up. So I wonder if it really is a 21-24 hour spawn. Another thing, I dont think it resets the timer if someone kills a rose, But there has to be a rose on the feild for RG to spawn when its window is up.
Meh, just some thoughts.
So this morning I go to bed at 4:30am and wake up at 11am and scroll up on my logs. Someone killed Rose Garden. and when I check the logs on that fight it was RIGHT after I went to bed /cry. I know because an HNM was up. So I wonder if it really is a 21-24 hour spawn. Another thing, I dont think it resets the timer if someone kills a rose, But there has to be a rose on the feild for RG to spawn when its window is up.
Meh, just some thoughts.
i happened to find this little bugger, while on my way to lvl whm.
called who ever was still awake in my LS to come kill while i went to my waiting pt.
we now have a very happy mage, with a Vilma's ring
now onto the important crap
people killing the overgrown roses, stop!!
Rose Garden only spawns if you dont kill the placeholder.
and yes your going yeah yeah how do you know.
in conjuction with several people, protecting the over grown rose for 21-24 hours, we were able to get the overgrown rose to despawn, and rose garden spawn in its place.
no drop the second time around though.
so please everyone who is trying to camp it, or passing through the area. leave the over grown rose alone.
called who ever was still awake in my LS to come kill while i went to my waiting pt.
we now have a very happy mage, with a Vilma's ring
now onto the important crap
people killing the overgrown roses, stop!!
Rose Garden only spawns if you dont kill the placeholder.
and yes your going yeah yeah how do you know.
in conjuction with several people, protecting the over grown rose for 21-24 hours, we were able to get the overgrown rose to despawn, and rose garden spawn in its place.
no drop the second time around though.
so please everyone who is trying to camp it, or passing through the area. leave the over grown rose alone.
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Very Very interesting! Never thought of that possibility. But it makes sense, like if u dont cut down or trim a rose, eventually it will grow into a garden. Actually, the more i think about it, the more sense it makes. Now if I just keep all ppl from killing it for 21-24 hours. Thank you for this post, I just hope ur right. /em crosses fingers
Edited, Wed Nov 2 04:54:10 2005
Edited, Wed Nov 2 04:54:10 2005
Yeah, cool isn't it? Its the same spawn reuirement for Noble Mold, but they also say that NM needs rainy weather as well. These type of NM's seem to be popping up more [Hmmm.]
The noble mold is a REALLY weird nm, I'm almost 99.9% sure it needs rainy weather, but I dont think anyone knows the sleep timer on him
Edited, Wed Dec 21 11:01:43 2005
Edited, Wed Dec 21 11:01:43 2005
SE prolly did it as a joke to **** off people who make train of 30 mobs then AoE to kill PHs lol
I haven't tried looking for Overgrown roses but I know one spawns on the West side of the map. But I too have seen Rose Garden spawn, and it pops when the Overgrown Rose vanishes. Other than that, I have no solid info as to whan makes her pop. I camped 21hr after ToD no pop. At 22.5hr some guy came and kill the overgrown
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I wish I could have found some more useful posts on this NM already, but as we know there is still lots of mystery about this NM. Well let me just state what i have tried and what has NOT worked. Went to the Overgrown Rose at area I-7, while sitting on my chocobo, I decided to do some quick research on Rose Garden, so i turned to my other PC. There was also a lvl 75NIN camping it, just fyi. So im on alla and somepage reading up for about 5 minutes when I heard that NIN fighting something, looked over and there was Rose Garden. So YES, it does pop without killing the Overgrown Rose @ I-7. So that brings me to my experiments with this NM, since I obviously got the TOD, and it had popped within less than 24 hours of the last maintenance. So I was like OK 21-24 hr timer pop, right? Camped from 20h50m after TOD until 24h20m after TOD, 3.5 hrs and I didn't kill the Overgrown Rose. Rose Garden did NOT pop. So I come back to alla and read every post, noting all those who camped for 24-40 hrs straight, congrats to u all for doing so. I figured I would next attempt to try the 72 hr pop theory. Camped from 71h30m after TOD until 72h30m after TOD, again Rose Garden DID NOT pop. So I have tested and proven that Rose Garden IS NOT on a 21-24 hr or 72 hr Timer pop.
So going with the 21-24 hr time as somepage has it listed as, note they dont know if it is a timer or lottery either. Now I have to say with everything I have tried this has to be a lottery pop. However, what is the placeholder? I have seen that the Overgrown Rose at I-7, either is not a PH or does not have to be killed for the NM to pop. I'm thinking most likely, that is NOT a PH.
So that brings me to asking everyone here to help me or us out. We need to figure out which Overgrown Rose(s) is/are the PH(s). I know with everyones help we can figure this out. I'm not giving up until I get this ring, and if i figure out more I will update this post. I camped for my Peacock Amulet for more than 60 hrs most of which was done afk looking for TOD. So I will put the time in alone if need be, but I would sure like all the help we can get by teaming up on here with all the information we can gather. Well good luck and good hunting.
Edited, Tue Oct 25 13:20:34 2005
So going with the 21-24 hr time as somepage has it listed as, note they dont know if it is a timer or lottery either. Now I have to say with everything I have tried this has to be a lottery pop. However, what is the placeholder? I have seen that the Overgrown Rose at I-7, either is not a PH or does not have to be killed for the NM to pop. I'm thinking most likely, that is NOT a PH.
So that brings me to asking everyone here to help me or us out. We need to figure out which Overgrown Rose(s) is/are the PH(s). I know with everyones help we can figure this out. I'm not giving up until I get this ring, and if i figure out more I will update this post. I camped for my Peacock Amulet for more than 60 hrs most of which was done afk looking for TOD. So I will put the time in alone if need be, but I would sure like all the help we can get by teaming up on here with all the information we can gather. Well good luck and good hunting.
Edited, Tue Oct 25 13:20:34 2005
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I am guessing this mob pops like Lord of Onzozo. There is one placeholder in the pit of I-7, and it is lottery every 21-24 hours on that Overgrown Rose to pop it. I have not camped this mob enough to know for sure, but that is my guess. Still have not got drop, so I should know for sure soon. ^^
Edit: I was wrong, DO NOT kill the Overgrown Rose there. Eventually it will depop and Rose Garden will appear. I thought the JP there was killing mobs when I was afk, I was wrong.
Edited, Sun Oct 16 13:36:02 2005
Edit: I was wrong, DO NOT kill the Overgrown Rose there. Eventually it will depop and Rose Garden will appear. I thought the JP there was killing mobs when I was afk, I was wrong.
Edited, Sun Oct 16 13:36:02 2005
I don't think anyone comes to the page anymore, and I can understand why. It's seem like wild goose chase. From what's posted it seems like it's a timed pop, without a placeholder, but others say it's timed pop with 1 placeholder. From the post here it seems the former, but what about those that camped for 24hr+? Is someone lying? If so why? OR is there another element we're missing? There's a NM in Highlands that only spawns during the full moon at 17:00-4:00. Could there be more to the NM than originally thought? I don't know anyone that has one, but I don't know anyone that knows for sure what this NM works from.
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