Vana'diel Bestiary: Absolute Virtue
|  Spawns after defeating the Jailer of Love. At lassst the time has come... The ssscattered fragments of my thoughtsss once again mine. Long forgotten memoriesss filling me once more... However... these memories generate sssuffering... These thoughtsss... bring remorssse... Tell me... for what sssearcheth thou, to travel this far? Show me... by what principlesss art thou driven? Category: FFXI Notorious Monster This page last modified 2008-09-17 00:43:23. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 9:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Everything is cheating, in fact if you play ffxi you cheat, people just haven't learned that concept yet. Why don't you all go whine to your mommys that people aren't killing absolute virtue straight up. Some people kite kirin around when they do that fight, is that cheating? No, its just a different way to kill him, lol, but I suppose to some people that probably still is though :P . Tell me again though, how long AV has been on the game, and how long it took people to find a way to kill it... Just killing it should be good enough for all you losers who are probably lvl 40 and don't even know what its like to fight mobs like these. Honestly to me, whatever works is alright, I mean if its not ok, then SE would just make it so AV can go through anything if it wants to, and make it have infinite range of attack over all zones. So if you warp over to jeuno thinking your getting away, it'd still kill you. :P
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Posted: Apr 25 2006 at 9:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Honestly, in my opinion, I think that all of you sitting there saying that the poeple who have defeated AV are cheaters, you guys are just jelous idiots.
Actually it was Apathy who defeated AV first using the wall trick but they weren't the first to exploit it.
Oct. 11, 2005 update "the behavior of certain notorious monsters in Al'Taieu has been adjusted"
Are thay talking about this guy?
Are thay talking about this guy?
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some japanese linkshell beat Absolute Virtue & had proof, their leader, Akedmiks had the rings & throwing (mars ring etc idr the others) so its not completely invincible, (like Allakhazam >_>)idk how the wall trick works via they dont understand english lol, they killed AV on Sylph server.
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can some1 explain how this walk trick/ glitch/ cheast or w/e it is , works? im still on diabolos fight lol
The area where you fight him is seperated into two "zones" by a wall. To get to either side requires teleporting from 2 different places. Essentially they would pull AV to this wall, and then have an army of BLM on the other side nuke him to hell. AV would not go over or through the wall to get to them, but aparently would sometimes cast meteor. Now he does a pull in move like the Minotaur (will pull full alliance from anywhere in the zone if one player engages). I imagine the next thing will be to kite it around with gravity and what not like was mentioned with Kirin. I am not in sea so I am just speceulating from what I have read. I am not clear how people have stopped him from using 2hrs and spawning wyverns and generally stomping a mud hole in everyone
Absolute Virtue is not susceptible to gravity, and runs faster than a person with Crimson legs on.
correct me if im wrong please.... but the "wall trick" for AV isnt much different then pulling DL to a clif and have mages on clif below to keep them out of Dl range? no'>? and that a standard DL strat (or am i just to busy to notice the mages still geting mauled on clif below DL) i play MNK so all my DL fights are me unloading hundred fist on him.
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Except DL *can* walk around the cliff and kill you. The wall trick on AV, AV cannot do that. I don't personally care either way myself, but there is a small differnce between the 2
Whos DL? >.>
Edited, Sat Apr 22 04:55:50 2006
Edited, Sat Apr 22 04:55:50 2006
DL = Dynamis Lord
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OK, so we kill the jailers and randomly, Absolute virtue spawns. Correct? following that line of thought and difficulty, couldn't it be hypothesised, if one kills absolute virtue, isn't there a small chance Allakhazam will spawn?
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big LOL XD
lol
I really don't like it. Am I going to try and stop people from killing it using the wall? No. I'm not going to like it though. Personally, I don't think anyone will have 'killed' AV until they kill him upright. Whenever the hell that happens.
IMO using the wall trick/cheat whatever, is like beating somone up that is in a wheelchair. No offense to anyone that is physically disabled, its just my opinion on it.
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maaaan i'm in a wheelchair and i will whoop yo *** son
What aggrovated me was, as stated before, it's a mob. To put so much work into just popping JoL for AV to pop to then have the difficulty of taking him to just 50%.
When you do plan to make this 'sea ls' please let us know how you took down AV without the wall.
You act as if you're trying to form some 'save the whales' foundation because AV is being mistreated.
Edited, Fri Apr 14 16:59:26 2006
When you do plan to make this 'sea ls' please let us know how you took down AV without the wall.
You act as if you're trying to form some 'save the whales' foundation because AV is being mistreated.
Edited, Fri Apr 14 16:59:26 2006
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You act as if you're trying to form some 'save the whales' foundation because AV is being mistreated.
Oh no, on the contrary (although, if I did come off that way, I apologize). Personally, I have nothing against seeing other people using the wall trick, as I can't entirely say its cheating...I mean, its a visable wall--how can you argue against that?
The way I meant to say it was this: The wall is simply a dissappointing win (read: not a cheating/dishonorable win). I personally wouldve been a lot more excited to see it defeated by a tactic this isnt questionable. And I only say its questionable because, well, look at the kind of responses Apathy has gotten for it. Many people think its cheating, others think its not. I'm not out to argue for one side or another...although I guess now I do understand how that can come off as taking the side of the people who think the wall is cheating.
Thus, when I do get my chance to fight AV, I plan on using everything in my ******* (thats not questionable, of course) to beat it. Who knows... maybe choosing to not use the wall trick will get me and my LS killed--but thats our perogative, just as using the wall trick is anyone else's perogative. We're out for more than just loot anyways. A challenge is always welcome in this game.
Once again, sorry for any confusion. If you feel the wall trick is a valid, non-dissapointing tactic, more power to you. I certainly can't blame you. But just the same, I hope not to be looked down upon simply for wishing to defeat this thing normally.
Just a quick question for Revenge. And Im not taking anyones side here.
Have you, by any chance fought Absolute Virtue or the Jailers? I'm quite new to sea anyways, but you sound like you know what really goes on down there. Exactly how hard is it to get the stuff to pop JoL?
Edited, Sat Apr 15 01:33:29 2006
Have you, by any chance fought Absolute Virtue or the Jailers? I'm quite new to sea anyways, but you sound like you know what really goes on down there. Exactly how hard is it to get the stuff to pop JoL?
Edited, Sat Apr 15 01:33:29 2006
Some of thees posts make it sond bad because its unfair to AV...a mob...
are we still fighting mobs cause i'v been killing alot. some time all i do is kill mobs.
(This is a joke btw)
are we still fighting mobs cause i'v been killing alot. some time all i do is kill mobs.
(This is a joke btw)
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Posted: Apr 14 2006 at 12:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lion i have no clue who u are , but u seem to ***** a lot, so cram it
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Posted: Apr 13 2006 at 1:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow, Lionheart needs to shut up already. If you're going to be coming up with such opinions yet HAVENT EVEN SEEN/BATTLE AV then stfu. Titan linkshell (SeaShell led by Map) beat AV and got the drops and spoke with the GM in which he said AV can still cast magic and effect the people around him which made that move legal. Just stfu already, I mean you dont even know the work it is to just get the pop items for Jailer of Love. You're the type of idiot that will try to come up with a strategy for a grand drag when you've never fought nor seen a Faffy,Tiamat, Vrtra, etc. before. It's funny people who don't even have sea come up with idiotic opinions like this. To beat AV 'fair' you'll have to constantly be reopening and closing Light/Dark with relic weapons and just constant nuking. Enough.
Geeze, mad much? Lets break this down--and I'll try to speak like a human being to you (despite the fact that you dont seem to be able to speak like one to me):
The only opinions I posted were things that had to do with the wall trick. Suffice it to say, you dont have to have SEEN AV, or even fought AV to know what went on. I think I'm just as qualified as anyone else to comment on the wall trick simply because I understand how it was used. Keep in mind however, I never officially submitted my own opinion about this wall trick anyways--I simply laid out all the evidence for both sides of the argument, allowing people to decide for themselves.
Just because a linkshell on your server defeated Absolute Virtue doesnt make you more of an expert on the subject than the rest of us who havent had it defeated on our servers yet. Also, regardless of what the GM said, it doesnt matter--the ONLY opinion that would matter is the opinion of the higher ups in SE. If they say the wall is illegal to use, then the wall will be illegal to use, simple as that. In the meantime, yes, its quite legal. I dont remember stating in my post that -I- think its illegal anyways, so why pick a fight with me about it?
Kill jailers, get virtues to drop. Trade Virtues, and JoL will pop? Did I miss anything?
I've killed Fafnir, Tiamat, and Jormungand before...I guess you got me on the Vrtra there. Two things though: 1) What do Fafnir, Tiamat, and Vrtra have to do with AV? 2) When did I ever submit a strategy for beat AV--or any other monster for that matter?
Youre contradicting yourself right here. Why are you offering a strategy to "fairly" defeating AV right after you just got mad at me for -allegedly- offering a strategy for something that Ive never done before? I have no idea how AV should be defeated "fairly." My first try, I'll probably just throw bodies at it until it goes down, or we go down. (Not a pretty tactic, but it works sometimes) *shrug*
And finally.... this gem:
You used the word "idiot" (in some form or another) 3 times in just that 1 paragraph. I think that right there is a pretty good testament to your character. I would think that it would be "idiotic" to be hurling around such names without much thought, as you did above.
Another thing that intrigues me: of ALL the posts that you couldve chosen from to flame on here, you chose mine--probably one of the most neutral posts on this page, as I only stated facts--nothing more. I never said anything along the lines of "OMG USING THE WALL IS CHEATING!" Just the same, I never said anything along the lines of "STFU about the wall, its not cheating. Dont talk about something unless you fought it!" I merely told the story from both perspectives, and you flamed.
Now tell me, what EXACTLY did I say below that could have made you so mad? Were you just having one of those days where you're mad at the whole world and looking for someone to get angry at? I'll be trying to figure out what I said that stood out so much until you reply, because I honestly dont know what Ive done wrong here.
To everyone else, sorry for the long post.
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If you're going to be coming up with such opinions yet HAVENT EVEN SEEN/BATTLE AV then stfu.
The only opinions I posted were things that had to do with the wall trick. Suffice it to say, you dont have to have SEEN AV, or even fought AV to know what went on. I think I'm just as qualified as anyone else to comment on the wall trick simply because I understand how it was used. Keep in mind however, I never officially submitted my own opinion about this wall trick anyways--I simply laid out all the evidence for both sides of the argument, allowing people to decide for themselves.
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Titan linkshell (SeaShell led by Map) beat AV and got the drops and spoke with the GM in which he said AV can still cast magic and effect the people around him which made that move legal.
Just because a linkshell on your server defeated Absolute Virtue doesnt make you more of an expert on the subject than the rest of us who havent had it defeated on our servers yet. Also, regardless of what the GM said, it doesnt matter--the ONLY opinion that would matter is the opinion of the higher ups in SE. If they say the wall is illegal to use, then the wall will be illegal to use, simple as that. In the meantime, yes, its quite legal. I dont remember stating in my post that -I- think its illegal anyways, so why pick a fight with me about it?
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Just stfu already, I mean you dont even know the work it is to just get the pop items for Jailer of Love.
Kill jailers, get virtues to drop. Trade Virtues, and JoL will pop? Did I miss anything?
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You're the type of idiot that will try to come up with a strategy for a grand drag when you've never fought nor seen a Faffy,Tiamat, Vrtra, etc. before.
I've killed Fafnir, Tiamat, and Jormungand before...I guess you got me on the Vrtra there. Two things though: 1) What do Fafnir, Tiamat, and Vrtra have to do with AV? 2) When did I ever submit a strategy for beat AV--or any other monster for that matter?
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To beat AV 'fair' you'll have to constantly be reopening and closing Light/Dark with relic weapons and just constant nuking.
Youre contradicting yourself right here. Why are you offering a strategy to "fairly" defeating AV right after you just got mad at me for -allegedly- offering a strategy for something that Ive never done before? I have no idea how AV should be defeated "fairly." My first try, I'll probably just throw bodies at it until it goes down, or we go down. (Not a pretty tactic, but it works sometimes) *shrug*
And finally.... this gem:
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umm Lionhearts an idiot?
You used the word "idiot" (in some form or another) 3 times in just that 1 paragraph. I think that right there is a pretty good testament to your character. I would think that it would be "idiotic" to be hurling around such names without much thought, as you did above.
Another thing that intrigues me: of ALL the posts that you couldve chosen from to flame on here, you chose mine--probably one of the most neutral posts on this page, as I only stated facts--nothing more. I never said anything along the lines of "OMG USING THE WALL IS CHEATING!" Just the same, I never said anything along the lines of "STFU about the wall, its not cheating. Dont talk about something unless you fought it!" I merely told the story from both perspectives, and you flamed.
Now tell me, what EXACTLY did I say below that could have made you so mad? Were you just having one of those days where you're mad at the whole world and looking for someone to get angry at? I'll be trying to figure out what I said that stood out so much until you reply, because I honestly dont know what Ive done wrong here.
To everyone else, sorry for the long post.
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Preach on brother! That was the best example i have ever seen of someone defending themselves like a human being and not... well lets use Orcish Grappler. lol. Much love from Gilgamesh.
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If SE was so against using this wall to kill AV, maybe they should move it.
!!!I AGREE ENTIRELY!!!
This sounds ridiculously close to the original intent for RNG and BLM. Get mobs on the other side of walls and blast the @#$% out of them... but SE nerfed it so that mobs can now just jump OVER the walls instead of having to go around...
Having never fought AV I'm not exactly sure of all the circumstances... but it sounds vaguely similar to the above nerfing... It's not like SE couldn't make it so that AV could just go over the wall... o.O quit crying about how they cheated and go figure out a new way to beat AV that won't be "cheating."
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Posted: Apr 11 2006 at 11:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) These guys pwn. Wall or no wall. If SE was so against using this wall to kill AV, maybe they should move it. Whoever was creative enough to figure this out should be hugged. I doubt if 99.99999% of you all would be able to stay alive against AV long enough to cast a stun.. let alone devise a plan on how to beat it.
However they won (I am told it is by using the wall trick) there is something wrong about it.
An NA HNMLS on my server (Garuda) were told to stop fighting it using that wall trick by a GM, otherwise they would be forcefully warped back to their HPs.
Now they let a Japanese linkshell beat it with that trick? I'm sorry, but I am sure they monitor when and where AV is up, and it's incredibly unfair that one group on one server is allowed to get away with this, yet another is made to stop fighting.
Favouritism? I guess it doesn't matter to most people...
Edited, Mon Apr 10 18:25:40 2006
An NA HNMLS on my server (Garuda) were told to stop fighting it using that wall trick by a GM, otherwise they would be forcefully warped back to their HPs.
Now they let a Japanese linkshell beat it with that trick? I'm sorry, but I am sure they monitor when and where AV is up, and it's incredibly unfair that one group on one server is allowed to get away with this, yet another is made to stop fighting.
Favouritism? I guess it doesn't matter to most people...
Edited, Mon Apr 10 18:25:40 2006
also add in 2 things...
1. they might not of though they'd kill it even with this way
2. if what ive read is right the first ppl to beat it was apthy (GJ btw) and they didnt get drops just the title (from what i read on this site though soo i could be off)
1. they might not of though they'd kill it even with this way
2. if what ive read is right the first ppl to beat it was apthy (GJ btw) and they didnt get drops just the title (from what i read on this site though soo i could be off)
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You guys say that kiting is not cheating and it isn't because the mob still has the chance to hit you even though you are running, but standing the mob behind a wall so he is unable to to hit you IS cheating because he is unable to do damage. Stun and bind are not cheating because they are only temporary and have a timer on them, this wall thing is permanent as long as the tank doesn't move from his spot on the other side of the wall.
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I wish people would stop arguing about who is more stupid for doing what. First off, the items have never dropped, so stop making up things on what they are or what they do because you don't really know. Second, there has to be another way to beat, just no one is ever really thinking about him when they are there to fight the jailer of love. Think of it in a noobs view and the first time you saw jaggedy eared jack, you didn't plan on fighting it but it linked to your forest hare, Newguy was OWNED by Jej. Also, from what I have heard is he will spawn even if you don't press the ??? and start slamming on people. That means people might not be at full HP or MP. Lastly, Reactions of things that happen fast are sometimes freezing up and/or running, so the wall thing was not thought up. So from what I think someone ran, saw "AV starts casting PWN JOO." "AV's casting is inturupted" and said, "everyone, get over to this side of the wall!!!" Good idea at the time, not a punishable crime to SE. My two gil, try a tree or something.
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Well, I for one have no reason to talk at all but I'm quite amazed tht anyone at all has beaten AV. Kudos nd Congrats. If you feel tht teh wall idea is cheating, dont complain nd try another way if you feel it to be necessary.
Just remember, 'There is no such thing as a bad idea. Only good intensions.'
Although I'm not sure how tht would apply to this situation but it works in a way tht I cant think of at this exact moment. Congrats again ^(^_^)^
Edited, Sun Apr 9 23:01:37 2006
Just remember, 'There is no such thing as a bad idea. Only good intensions.'
Although I'm not sure how tht would apply to this situation but it works in a way tht I cant think of at this exact moment. Congrats again ^(^_^)^
Edited, Sun Apr 9 23:01:37 2006
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ok, before i begin, i would like to make it known that i have not fought AV, im just talking about what i've seen on the forums.
before AV was beaten, i'd see a ton of subjects saying "OMGZ there hasta be a way to beat AV" "if only there was some trick to beat AV" "how can we stop it from attacking" etc.
now that AV has been beaten with what seems to be a cleaver technique, all i see is "OMGZ AV couldnt attack, cheating" "they used a stupid trick, cheaters!!"
so let me ask those people this: what the **** do you want, you got what you were asking for, and now you're ******** because it was "cheating". that is complete ********* you just wanted to be the first to beat it and since you werent, you are just jumping on the "they cheated" bandwagon and trying to seem like you are above them because you lost to it "the honorable way".
"but wait, AV couldnt fight properly" if this is cheating, then so is stun, which is basically the same concept. or even bind on a monster such as forest hare (just random example) which cannot attack if you stand back far enough.
i feel that i can say with confidence that if these people that are ******** knew about using the wall before AV had been defeated, they would have been more excited to try it than a child who hears there is ice cream after dinner.
i hope this turns out to be the only way to beat AV because the day that becomes the truth, these people who are saying "that is cheating, anyone who beats AV like that is as bad as a gilseller"
will be the first in their LS to say "hey, lets try getting behind the wall" and i will be laughing my *** off.
ok rant over, sorry just felt like saying that
before AV was beaten, i'd see a ton of subjects saying "OMGZ there hasta be a way to beat AV" "if only there was some trick to beat AV" "how can we stop it from attacking" etc.
now that AV has been beaten with what seems to be a cleaver technique, all i see is "OMGZ AV couldnt attack, cheating" "they used a stupid trick, cheaters!!"
so let me ask those people this: what the **** do you want, you got what you were asking for, and now you're ******** because it was "cheating". that is complete ********* you just wanted to be the first to beat it and since you werent, you are just jumping on the "they cheated" bandwagon and trying to seem like you are above them because you lost to it "the honorable way".
"but wait, AV couldnt fight properly" if this is cheating, then so is stun, which is basically the same concept. or even bind on a monster such as forest hare (just random example) which cannot attack if you stand back far enough.
i feel that i can say with confidence that if these people that are ******** knew about using the wall before AV had been defeated, they would have been more excited to try it than a child who hears there is ice cream after dinner.
i hope this turns out to be the only way to beat AV because the day that becomes the truth, these people who are saying "that is cheating, anyone who beats AV like that is as bad as a gilseller"
will be the first in their LS to say "hey, lets try getting behind the wall" and i will be laughing my *** off.
ok rant over, sorry just felt like saying that
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http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=114490
It dropped stuff. O_O
It dropped stuff. O_O
what i dont get is that people wernt ******** about limitbreak getting iut to 50% by using the wall. then when another ls beats it using the wall they get flammed up the *** by people. it isnt cheating. for one, if you call that cheating then is kiteing cheating? lets try straight tanking kirin then and the other fights you need to kite. and honestly is they say that thing ran out of mp then thats alot of kills there from his spells like meteor and aeroga 4. they beat it. thats all that really matters in my opinion.
Ehhh, kiting isnt cheating. I'm sure if you were to kite Absolute Virtue, things would end up quite differently.
Im not really sure kiting and using this wall are comparable.
Edited, Fri Apr 14 10:34:45 2006
Im not really sure kiting and using this wall are comparable.
Edited, Fri Apr 14 10:34:45 2006
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"AV was helpless against the onslaught of mages behind a wall"
he was as helpless as the mages themselves, AV can cast magic too, can he not?
Grats to apathy for beating AV.
he was as helpless as the mages themselves, AV can cast magic too, can he not?
Grats to apathy for beating AV.
Especially if you....
1) Weren't from Remora
2) Didn't see the entire fight
3) Don't know someone personally who was there
Do you really think it just went to the wall and did nothing?
If I (PLD) hold hate against a mob, run it against a wall, and blms nuke it to death while it crappily range attacks me am I cheating? If it runs out of Mp and stands there, is that cheating? Must I run up to it and initiate melee attacks to not be cheating?
Maybe none of you have pulled ranged mobs and mages, but they don't always come at you when you have hate, sometimes they stand way the hell away, and don't do anything unless you run up and start attacking them.
I know 2 people from RL who were there, not in Apathy, or friendly towards Apathy, who said "no they didn't cheat, and several people died while it was against the wall". I don't know if people died or not, and neither does anyone else who wasn't there.
Oddly, I also see tons of non-Remora posters saying they cheated. If you witnessed nothing, you have no grounds to say they cheated.
"All's Fair In Love And War"
Theres Jailor of LOVE
And fighting AV is a damn war
Thought I would make that connection
Theres Jailor of LOVE
And fighting AV is a damn war
Thought I would make that connection
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