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Ifrit AH Pricing
# Oct 25 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Currently going for around 1.2-1.4 million on Ifrit.
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# Sep 24 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Damn I read lots of stupid ass posts here lol.....

-You can't equip two avenger's earring, they are rare.
- You can't tank and keep hate with monk using "boost". (dumbass)
- Spartans are not better then these.
- You couldnt have seen a guy in ballista use berserk,sneak attack, and soul eater. (dumbass)
- -10 evasion helps with counters, that is not a downside to this weapon.
- "MNK is an EXTREMELY equipment oriented job, WHM can skimp by and do just fine" ( ever seen RMT white mages? Thats is the #1 job in your party as well as your tank, that needs good gear... its very noticeable, We couldnt get a chain 2 on lesser colibres cause of rest time, I look at the whm and boom, he has level 5 gear at lvl 58, he was also a taru and couldnt chain.

- Theres more stupid post, but hey, I'll save those for next week's episode of "dumbass Alla posts"
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# Oct 05 2007 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree with most of what you said, though I don't know partying.

However, I know for certain that you can wear two Avenger's Earrings. I am doing so in Unicorn right now. They are not rare. Thanks to them, I have a total of +11 counter after a latent effect.
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# May 24 2007 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Its only 1.2 - 1.5 mil on leviathan server, and can i get a yes or no to if this drops from a nm or in this BCNM.
CC performance and the new update
# Apr 05 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Just a quick review for those below questioning CC. Yes, there is a very substantial amount of increase in DMG when using CC's vs. TM hooks+2. However, that only remains untill level 70+. As you get closer to 75 TMhooks and your Martial Arts traits make TM's start to pull ahead in raw DoT. But CC will always net the higher WS dmg. I used CC and moved right into destroyers, I only felt weaker parse-wise from 70->73 when against my WAR/nin static friend. (and 55->63 was difficult too, damn that rampage!)


As far as the new update goes, does anyone know where these drop now? Are they even available in the game anymore? Most likely the CC's moved to a BCNM/KSNM drop and the shadow only drops the Rare/ex version. I spoke with a thief out in fei'yin he's seen 2 pairs of the rare/ex version (retaliators) in 6 claims. So the drop rate isnt too bad, but then again, thats with TH2.
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nice photoshop skills Gassynth


You noticed that too?

Lmao, what a complete looser to take someone else's mug and slap his name over his in a very poor artistic manner. Gassynth fails.

What the h-ell is Pikko thinking about posting it to begin with? Give me a couple of months and I'll give him a legit pic.
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It's about the Item, not the player. Too bad you don't understand. You are probally too young to understand. Oh well, back to looking for more nms to camp, for me.
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# Sep 13 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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very nice. For solo the - evasion isnt bad since the +5 counter makes up for it.
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# Sep 08 2006 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I just bought these little secksies yeseterday, down to 3.5M on Ifrit, they ARE worth the hype
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Cross Counters
# Apr 12 2006 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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These are nice, no doubt.

But really, a MNK can live without them.
Cross Counters
# Sep 13 2006 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Awesome equip.. The - evasion really doesnt hurt since the + 5 Counter is amazing for solo..
Just an question...
# Feb 02 2006 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Just looking for an honest answer, which im pretty sure i already know the answer to but it never hurts to ask.
On an elvaan monk with decent acc gear and sushi as food, in EXP PT'S, do these truely show up the TM Hooks +2? I only mean in EXP pt's, not for PVP.
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# Jul 05 2006 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I was borrowing a pair of TM+2 hooks, to do my own conclusive study, and found my damage to be almost exactly the same with CCs or with TM+2 hooks. It was merely 20 rounds each, but they parsed almost exactly the same. I might do another section of more rounds each and post the parsed results. The difference was in favour of the CCs by .4 in average, but the main thing was that the differences between low and high were a bit better on the CCs...

With Counterstance up, these really shine though, as I used to get one or two counters when I'd take hate in a fight, now I frequently get double that. I've gone 9/10 and 13/15 for countered attacks against IT mobs (mostly in KRT though)...

Hope that helps.
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# Jan 16 2006 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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that way i can either retire and then have the necessary time to camp this monkey,



Edited, Oct 22nd 2006 at 2:58am PDT by IamsoBob
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# Dec 20 2005 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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you cant counter if the mob misses you
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These are definatly better in ballista and in hnm fights then kraken club, kraken club is so expensive because of its cool to hit a mob 8x. ok even if a mnk has subtle blow it still builds the mob ur hitting's tp alot. and as we all know a mobs ws is more painful then yours most of the time, for ballista which i do often mnk seems to get picked on to build tp so if you return those blows to your enemy its very nice and chances are they will back off attacking you as much for the rest of the fight, however they are both extremly beastly weapons. mnk is just made for hand 2 hand and not club, counterattack doesnt help in hnm that much unless your tank(s) die and you ahve to tank while they are being raised/laughed at by party members/random on lookers hope this helps. Oh and this is also alot cheaper then k. club. k.club is 60m on lakshimi and this is only a couple mill
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# Dec 12 2005 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Cheap server. These are going for 13-15mil on Kujata. I think Kraken broke 100m lately. think it was somewhere around 130.
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RE: weapons
# Dec 27 2005 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Cross Counters have gone from 5-13 mil in 4 months. I addition your guys servers are rediculously cheap with the kraken club... Alexander is at least 300,000,000 for it >.<
RE: weapons
# Aug 29 2006 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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umm...correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't max gil only 99,999,999...so how is it 300,000,000 on alexander???
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# Jan 15 2006 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
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One of my past acquaintences who plays the AH game, where you buy things from bazaars and sell on ah for more(for ppl who had no idea what that was), offered me 18mil for mine, when he was there when i bought em last jan for 5.7. They are now resting at about 25mil on the waay inflated Kujata server. And btw these things rock for me in my situation. I run around with a 75whm (i am 74mnk/war) and i have these and Avengers earrings. I counterstance zerk focus dodge and tank the living crap outta things. my gf likes to brag that i beat Sea Horror nearly solo(whm para slow it and haste me) 3 times in 2 hours only getting hit like 10-15 times total. Haha look at that and say they are useless or that Spartans are better... Btw all you lower level monks, i used these up til 74 and still use them in ptys now and again. Just waiting to unlock my destroyers. But, and this is to Zemariah, I AM NOT SELLING EM....EVER. Lol happy reading kiddies.
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mmm no...
# Sep 27 2005 at 10:25 PM Rating: Default
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pardon me... he had Blood Greaves and Blood Cuisses. And i know he has the best gear money can possibly buy... because his gil is limitless... (no joke... i mean, i'm sure it has a limit, but no one's ever seen it, a guy in his LS stole 45,000,000 gil from him, and a kraken club, and the next day he pops up with another kraken club <_<) and pointing out he had Utsusemi Ni/Ichi shows that he had copy images to defend himself (just saying he wasnt defenseless) and no... he never used anything... i saw him drain maybe twice, and he never used an ability (not souleater, not last resort, not anything) he used stun only to hit ppl running from him... and he would just stare at them (ok <_<)... the mnk... well he deserves way more credit than i give him, and ppl use provoke in ballista bud... believe it or not, it ails a stat (not sure, which, but it does) and... maybe it was the reifer but i could swear it stopped a blm's casting... and he did use berserk (i was just too amazed that he gave a dude, who's credably one of the best DRKs on the server a beating)... so... before you spout off at someone before even taking a look into anything, back off, think about it, then speak... and if he has gear worth more than your account... i'm pretty damn sure it's goddly but who knows... maybe Shprai is what you would classify as goddly... and if that's the case, this DRK has the 3/4 form of his relic weapon... so there ya go he has goddly gear
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Cross Counters vs. Kraken
# Sep 26 2005 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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To the person who said that a Kraken club beats cross counters, I would like to kindly disagree, at least from a ballista point of view. If you tried to use a Kraken club against a monk with Cross Counters + Counterstance on, I think that plenty of your hits would come right back to your face.
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# Aug 31 2005 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
To the little noob who posted about his ''friend'' having all this so called godly gear. I think you should know that Bloody Boots and Bloody Greaves are actually the same thing.

As for pointing out that he has ni and ichi it makes you even more of a noob. Also, I don't know who would use provoke in Ballista. You should have watched abilities like Berserk or Souleater to notice which sub he had on.

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# Feb 15 2006 at 4:38 PM Rating: Default
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Also, I don't know who would use provoke in Ballista.


Maybe someone who wanted to paralyze him? Provoke is like a paralyze effect in ballista, but as a monk with these I would rather not paralyze him and let his kraken club own the hell outta him from counterstance and these weapons.
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#shukaku, Posted: Aug 16 2005 at 12:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL!!!! this has nothing to do with Cross counters... but i'd just like to laugh in the guy's face that made the Kraken club statement... i have a friend, he's DRK/NIN (with Utsusemi Ni/Ichi), and has a Kraken Club, Bloody Sword, Bloody Greaves, Bloody Boots, Peacock Charm, Hauberk +1, Thick Mufflers +1, and... Wyvern helm, and Bomb Core... pretty goddly eh? wellllllll.....
RE: kraken club! dont make me 'LOL'
# Mar 16 2006 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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Dayum, joo is teh uber n00b
drop rate
# Jul 16 2005 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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These things are 6-8mil on my server and I was wondering what the drop rate was.
Cross-counters Vs. Spartans
# Jul 11 2005 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I dunno I don't see how thier can be a debate on which set of knuckles is better, IMO Hands down Cross-counters take it. From a mathmatical standpoint atleast, think about it For every damage in cross-counters comes 5.05 delay(roughly) Meaning add 1 more damage to Cross-counters(19+1) and thier delay would still be(101.5) 11 delay shorter with the same damage as spartans, then take ino consideration the 1 more accuracy nad 5 counter. I may be wrong in looking at it that way but that makes me cme to the conclusion in my head Cross-counters are better. Please someone oppose me so Ihave more to think about^^?
#Pifuaa, Posted: Jul 05 2005 at 2:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Unfortunately Cross-Counters do not beat Monk/Nin 75 with Kraken in off-hand, so you can use your melee skills instead of club skills. And since Kraken hits so much you build god TP.
RE: Cross-Counters NOT the best...
# Dec 07 2005 at 3:17 AM Rating: Default
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Err... what? You can't equip something in your offhand without a main hand weapon. Hand to Hand can't be used with anything except a shield.
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# Jul 01 2005 at 3:02 AM Rating: Decent
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theres totally no way i'm going to get this, 7 mil on my server, i i'm 0/40+ on all NM's that drop anything remotely valuable. I cant solo this and theres noway imma get 7mil i never even seen 2 mil >_< i hate this NM garrr
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# Jun 16 2005 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
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bastien eat sh*t and die, and burn in hell
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im from caitsith and there is someone named BAstien on this server he is a dickwad @#%^ you i hate u go eat cheese @#%^ eat sh*t and die.
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5 Million on gilgamesh.

Talk about the monk "ouch"

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# Feb 12 2005 at 5:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lvl 30.. Berserk! Ochidos's Kote!
Lvl 40.. Jujistu-Gi!
Lvl 41.. Avenger's Earings x 2!
Lvl 50.. omg I hope these.
Lvl 61.. Carapace Armor & Helm..
Lvl 62.. Muscle Belt+1 Macro..

Oh and the Latent Effect: Counter + 2 ring is nice on swap.

And those cool boots! Kung-fu, Wulong, or Dune XD

Yeah, heh, dreams are nice ;)

P.S. I love every point of -evasion I have. It helps to get more Guard skil ups. I hope to someday cap Guard T-T
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RE: Geared up.
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are you even a monk? carapace armor wtf lol
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RE: Geared up.
# May 28 2005 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
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lol hes talking about the carapace armor that has LE attack + and def +... its good for soloing cuz LE activates in yellow HP. somewhat hmmm crap? for PT tho lol
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RE: Geared up.
# Jun 11 2005 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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only the hands go off on yellow hp.
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Oops. {Please forgive me.}

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Counterattack vs Counter
# Feb 03 2005 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
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some one please settle this once and for all what is the difference, i see that Cross-counters are counterattack +5 and the avenger earrings are counter +1 so what is the difference or is there a difference? SE is confusing the hell out of me and i plan to buy these real soon so i would like to know for sure what both do? please help me out.

Edited, Thu Feb 3 04:26:14 2005
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RE: Counterattack vs Counter
# Feb 11 2005 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The site has outdated information and an outdated screenshot of the weapon. Cross-counters now say "Counter +5" like all other +counter items.
RE: Counterattack vs Counter
# Feb 15 2005 at 4:48 AM Rating: Default
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thank you i have been waiting for an answer and i guess this page dosnt get a lot of traffic

P.S. i finaly got my "Cross-Counters" woo hoo yay me im soo excited these will look real nice with my avenger earrings and counter+2 pants in 2 lvls
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Spartan > CC at 58
# Feb 02 2005 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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These are better than Spartans taking all things into consideration. They are almost identical, but these are 8 lvls below. And are level 50, so you get to do 50 capped quests/etc with it. You do not get that luxury with Spartans. However, at level 58, Spartans are better taking into consideration WS damage and the acc bonus and delay are almost the same.
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RE: Spartan > CC at 58
# Feb 16 2005 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Spartan Cesti are a good weapon... but I can safely say they are not better than Cross-counters. The Counter +5 is fantastic when you're soloing stuff, people seem to ignore that when they compare the two.
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# Feb 01 2005 at 5:19 PM Rating: Default
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Welll i have spartan's these should NOT be used if you have spartan in a PT!!!! but in ballista these things aare GOD!!! i fuc**** own everyone Have Cc's avenger's ect ect then at half hp kick in Counterstance and watch the drk's go bye bye
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Alot of people are talking about these, and i dont think anyone hit on the reason that it minuses evasion so that the mob gets a better chance to hit you, and if the mob has a better chance to hit you, you have a better chance to counter. Oh, and to the guy who said the mob can miss and you still counter... i dont think that is true because its NEVER happened to me, my drk subjobs mnk when he solos and having a 250+ damage counter sure helps. I hope this helped someone somewhere :P
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RE: Whew...
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Afraid you are wrong, counters can occur anytime you are being attacked, hit or miss. May want to go fight some MNK type beastmen for some better insight.
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RE: Whew...
# Aug 29 2006 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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actually, you can't counter if you're missed, it just appears that way because you don't take dmg when you counter
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# Jan 17 2005 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
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+19 damage available at lvl 50 is just incredible. Today, when I hit lvl 48, I equipped Patas+1 over my mythril knuckles+1, brinign my damge from +10, to +15. There was a VERY noticable increase in damage being done, i'd say at least 25% more than before (even with my str lowered from replacing my purple belt with life belt at the same time).

All I can say is that if in just 2 more levels another +4 (!) damage is added, you'll be giving your tank a very rough time. The price of about 2 million is justified to me, in that you can be just lvl 50 and wear them, most likely allowing you to outdamage a well equiped ranger of equal level. Man, I want these... but in months of farming my TOTAL gil spent on my monk is around 2 million... so doing this all over again seems like a bit too much.

I'll just pick up spartans when I get to that point, they seem almost identical in usefulness ... /sigh, I just won't get to experience those levels of "over powered" where the cross counters are only available.
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# Jan 15 2005 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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yes, this weapon decreases your Evasion...but the purpose is to increase the probability that your character will counter.
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Last I checked, they only go for 500k-700k in my server.
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RE: Asura
# May 27 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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RE: Asura
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good lord, how times have changed. cross counters are up to 9,000,000G on asura.

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RE: Asura
# Mar 02 2006 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I WISH they were still 500kish. Hell, I wish they were at least 9 mil.
RE: Asura
# Jan 14 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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umm... that's crazy O.o

if I saw them at that price in my server, i'd go sell my kotes and get xcounters, even though i'm only at 35 >.<
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I have these, whenever I use counterstance I equip aikido kosh*ta and avengere earrings.. they work very well but the mob has to be atacking you for you to counter, that's why it's called counter. You counter a direct meele atack from a mob. These are badass for tanking vt crabs and sh*t like that
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sadly they are going for 3-4mil now on seraph...luckily i already had mine ^^
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# Nov 04 2004 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Not that I don't want them, it's just......../sigh
2million gil on Shiva. I've already pumped, let's see, over a million gil into my monk. All things considered, with what I've got and will get, I won't count myself too gimped without these. Probably just get Tact. Mag Hooks and hold out till Spartans, and keep those till I can get the Relic knuckles and upgrade those bad boys to Sphar-whatevers. Maybe Indra Katars too...
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Okay, went back to again test whether a mob has to hit you for a counter. Turned off all the filters and watched the log. And, the mob missed and I countered. Now, maybe getting hit increases a counter but from what I have seen in the log, a miss will trigger it also. So, the negative evasion is not necessarily a plus. As far as my Hand Armor, I had the Kote but went with my AF. As had been said in other forums, attack opens the top end of possible damage while strength raises the bottom of the curve. So, I am going to stick with the more consistent lower damage instead of the great spread with highs and lows.

Also, Monk is Damage Over Time, so you really want to try to keep the mob's focus on the Tank. At the level that you can use these, it is much better to keep the hate focused on the Tank who has loads of EQ to take a beating. At level 60, I am going to try a THF sub and see if I can really stick the hate on the tank with SATA.
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RE: 0.0001% chance i'm ever getting them
# Oct 23 2005 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course you didn't take any damage because you countered the attack. You can only counter an attack that was going to hit you, it is not something that happens whenthe mob misses you, if it misses you then, it misses... Go fight mandys in the jungle for hours and hours until you figure it out. Check it out, go as a lv 75 MNK to fight too-weak mobs, see how many times he counters, you'll notice its not very mane, because the mob dosnt hit him all that often. Now, if he were to be fighting IT's he would counter quite a bit more often becuase IT will hit on a regular basis, thus improving the chance to counter...
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Considering my next job is gonna be Monk, i'll definately be getting some of these. i've heard people compare these to Spartan's, but these are hands down... better by a LONG shot. For starters, you lose 1 damage... big deal... the added accuracy helps a lot more. Whats the point in hitting a little harder if you can't even hit the mob? The - to evasion isn't a big deal because you're not a tank and Dodge pretty much cancels it out... or if you wear Optical Hat (or Emperor Hairpin) it would be cancelled again. The added counter +5 along with Counterstance is very nice for when you potentially yank hate away from a mob.
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Why do most MNK's want these over Spartan's? Well, the counter+5, right? Or maybe the accuracy up? And Mattelot, the evasion doesn't matter because MNK's don't tank, right? Well if MNK's don't tank, then why does the counter+ help? Since MNK's don't tank, what are they? DD. And since you seem to be a MNK, tell me, what's behind that 1000+ HP? Cloth armor. So that rules out MNK's tanking, so tell me, why does the +counter mattter? It doesn't unless you're soloing. And as for accuracy, all (I think) cesti have accuracy+, and that doesn't exclude Spartan's. So if we're DD's, why would we want counter+? We wouldn't want it. What we MNK's do need is DMG+, which Spartan's beat CC's in.

Hope that helps. I just don't want fellow MNK's spending millions of gil, when Spartan's are better.


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My MNK is lvl 56, why did it become 56? After seeing a MNK out tank a PLD and a NIN i decided to lvl it. Now fighting crabs in the "Cape" I am main tank, and VERY well known on my server... I can be lvling my 18 SAM in the dunes and have ppl that ive never heard of in my life start begging me to EXP my MNK with them. CC + lvl 50 JSE pants + Avengers Earring X2, coupled with O-Kote, Brown Belt and Kung Fu shoes makes me an INSANE tank... I believe that makes a total of Counter+9 I know theres a lot of people "O ya i counter 9/10 times." eh... just not true, but i do counter about 6.5-7/10 times. Yes the counter attacks dont hit for much (only one punch) thats damage the tank (me) is not taking... As far as hate control goes... well... are you kidding me? true, MNK's dont do well on crabs, however what Melee job really does? With the gear that I have i do more than enough damage to hold hate w/o even needing to voke every 30 seconds. A well equiped MNK can and does outdamage almost everyone with the exception of a well equiped RNG. As far as a mob needing to hit you to counter goes, this is also true... When fighting IT's like i said average counter rate is 6.5-7/10 but when fighting EP or DC mobs solo wearing the same gear, my counter rate drops to 3/10 or so... After some long thought and a few mins with a calculator i realized wow i counter the same per hits taken. So if you change it around a bit and dont count total attacks, but count landed attacks from an enemy this is the end ratio 6.66/10 that goes for EP all the way to IT mobs... Check it out for urselves... The mob DOES have to hit you for you to be able to make a counter attack. Nevertheless when hit, and countered you take 0 damage... Therefore the Evasion - on not only the CC but the Evasion down from the O-Kote which is HORRIBLY damaging to ninja is actually a + to us counter tanks... Just a little bit of my input any questions feel free to send me a message, if you like what you see rate up, if not rate down lol i dont care about ratings.... out
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The + to Counter helps because hard hitting DDs sometimes pull hate off mobs. As a Monk, if you happen to yank hate off the mob by ending a SC for massive damage, your odds of countering any potential blows is increased. As a Ranger, high damage WSs do tend to yank hate off the tank... I know my Sidewinder and Slug Shots have :) If you're a well equipped Monk, a hard hitting Raging Fists or Asuran Fists might give you the hate and when it does, you're gonna be glad you have that extra + to counter.

I'm not saying Spartan Cesti are not good because they're a great alternative, but as for DOT, CC will give you a more useful effect. You can use CC 8 lvls sooner... some might thing "oh big freaking deal... 8 lvls..." but the stronger the weapon and sooner you can use it... statistically increases your speed at exp. I've spoken to many high lvl Mnks and they all tell me that CC ARE better than Spartan, but if you cannot afford them, Spartan are your 2nd best choice.

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Well not to step on your monologue but at and around level 60 mnks become every job but healer. We are used to tank skeletons in King Ronpaurres tomb. Because we can counter we get hit less so we don't need as much healing. Also at this level Monks begin to sub Whm for the mnd boost for their Chi Blasts. I have heard of parties that consist of, Mnk/War Mnk/Whm Mnk/Whm Mnk/War(Sam-for tp) Rdm and Brd. So tell me again how we don't tank. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you freak out.
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From experience, nobody is gonna sub Whm on their Mnk in an exp party. What for?... for a stronger Chi Blast?.. thats once every few minutes. Being in an HNMLS, this is a good thing to do when fighting Gods, but in exp parties, you'll want the Warrior sub because of fact that you're gonna be punching more than Chi Blasting.

Some people think that Mnks can tank things, if you've got plenty in your party and you're fighting Bones, do as you wish, but you're not going to be fighting Bones your entire career as Mnk. Monks have high Vitality and HP which are great because a well equipped Monk can take hate from the tank. Adding on the Counter, they can counter any blows they might endure while they have the hate for said amount of time. Monk is just a very balanced and well designed job but they lack the variety of hate keeping skills that Paladin and Ninja (post lvl 40) have to be a dedicated tanking job.
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Well i agree 100% about the Whm sub for Mnk in xp party. That just doesnt sound smart. But a Mnk that spams boost during down time starts the fight with chi blast and continues to use boost every 15 sec for the entire fight can hold hate just about as well as any one. And if you alternate focus and dodge every fight then throw in a chakra every 5 min you pull alot of hate. As a mnk the damage you do should pretty much compansate for the amount of healing a Pld can do at the same lvl. Im a lvl 42 Mnk atm on odin server but my last galka was a 64 Mnk and i can keep hate from a Whm, Blm or Smn, and a Rdm 90% of the time and i only say 90% because of extreme cases where all 3 mages might have to spam spells at once.
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ACTUALLY, these two where compaired... these pulled out in the end by the slimest of margins.

We Monks want these because oof Counter +5 (thus making countertanking even easier) NOT because they are the be all end all.... there are weapons even better than these. But you have to be a 75 to get those.
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It is -10 evasion, and with good reason if you've read. I have countered multiple stray hits, i don't know if that qualifies the mob facing me or not. Combine these with Ochiudo's Kote (eva-5, attack+20) and say hello to some good times
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Ok weve established that for counter to work you must be facing your opponent, these weapons rock if not just for the damage they put out, then for that plus counter rate and increased accuracy. Now something that is not addressed here that Im still interested in knowing how anyone (preferably a monk, would be nice to earn it with the job that would benefit most from it) is able to effectively hunt this monster (i.e. min xp level, in a alliance, party, solo? what jobs are reccomended for party tactics against this nm. what tactics do you use? etc.)

Its obvious some people have hunted this successfully, so there is a way to beat it, but it would be nice to know how and when to face it so you dont end up lying face down or up.

Plenty of posts about how great this weapon is. can we maybe come up with a plan on how to get this from the nm itself? dont know about you but even the best price listed on this (1.4 million recently) is still outrageous considering until then everything else can easily be quested (aka free) to outfit a monk effectively. if it wasnt for this one weapon monk could go through almost all of its levels effectively for less then 600k gil and thats including leveling its subjob (which actually would be the more exspensive of the two to keep equipped). Now I know that sounds insane to say but its true, at least for elvaan monks (who even storyline wise are the most common type of monk out there). RSE is easily quested and gets jeuno fame and will serve faithfully as armor until the forties (right around the time you get counterstance). Some weapons that help counterrate start becoming available than too (avenger earrings (125-145 k at ah, OR dropped by a level 46 nm morbol named anemone that spawns in the part of eldieme necropolis that skull of sloth, puroburos, and gazers spawn in at too), kampfer ring (goes for 2k at ah, though this one is latent effect, so only use in emergency), Since actual armor defense is useless when in countermode you are just working off of stat boosts given from your equip, and rse is still nice here too. Not necessarily the best but still nice (some extra hp, some plus agility, +10 dex, and for anyone who uses a subjob that uses mp (i.e. rdm, pally, drk, or whm) this also adds roughly 60 mp, which you would likely be using these subs more often soloing then in party). You might also start looking at brown belt and life belt around this time which yes are a notable 300k each roughly at the ah. But there is a quest for brown belt (which you need to do anyway if you ever want to have black belt) that requires just doing the purple belt quest in bastok (going rate for purple belt is bout 7k on my server) and 10 k worth of zinc ore to unlock the quest. While going after the nms for this you will easily make back the gil you spent to unlock the quest in the first place. Now for those after life belt, there is a strategy given elsewhere on this website as to getting that for free also. Thus you are easily able to make it into the fifties for the amount of gil it took to get you to the low thirties. Once you get into the fifties your af gear starts becoming available in full, and the ONLY way to get that is to have it quested for in the first place. Once you get full af the possibility of taking a hit normally again reenters the realm of the possible, though by then, if you bothered using counterstance at all since you got it, you will probably be addicted to how it helps you put a target down faster while avoiding a notable amount of damage (even with only one earring you still get a nice counterrate, just be careful with it on iceday and darksday (still checking to see if the moon has any effects on this power)). Since the af also adds to counter and has incredible boosts and enhance effects, you can switch between countermode and non-countermode as the situation dictates, as this gear will help on that either way. Since af gear is quested only, most gil you will have spent by this point is more for your sub job then your main job (maybe 50 k tops on main for stealth items if using a sub that doesnt have it available, and those subs do cost more to maintain, are less durable, and usually dont hit as hard in the first place). Other than that crosscounters remains among or the best weapon a monk can have until they are in the seventies, and the only one that is outrageously priced out of all the equipment that is available thats even mentioned here if you arent willing to quest for the stuff. Until those are actually available most monks buy a set of tactical magician hooks (20 k gil there, or buyable from conquest points if you bother with missions for rank at all and your country is doing well), so still quite cheap but also still effective, just pales to what monks with crosscounters can do. Beyond that there is other gear that are possible upgrades. but they too are mostly quested if you are after them at all.

As is, at the time of this posting I am a level 55 monk and have hunted down the anemone twice (though its not a perfect drop rate, so if you can track it bring a thief friend along too), completed the brownbelt quest, all rse, and all af quests except the leg af armor one, which requires targeting a monster thats on par with the western shadow for strength. If possible I hope to convince those that help with that leg af nm battle to help face western shadow once I can track down the timing of its spawn in. Which brings us back to my original question.

Again, any helpful hints and tips on strategies for western shadow (which drops these crosscounters)? It would be great to know this info before facing it and not lying face up later.

(total price for equipping a monk if going by ah 789k gil if skipping crosscounters, 2,189k if not skipping but buying everything from ah, 1.4 million if you quest your gear except crosscounters, free if you get get the drops and quest done for it all)


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RE: A question and (cheap monk?)
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Dude, posts like this REALLY piss me off... YES you can get MNK to 75 on 600K, but why the f*ck would you want to? give me a break dude, a lot of people complain about not being able to get a PT as a mnk NO SH*T you retards if your equiping yourself like this dude wants you to you'll be lucky to get a weekly invite... Your the reason its hard for good MNK's to get a decent PT... MNK is an EXTREMELY equipment oriented job, WHM can skimp by and do just fine, BLM can do the same, i would know i have both over 50... MNK's however, if not well equiped are absolutly USELESS to a PT, but when well equiped with the exception of RNG's they are the best DD's in the game... Please if you have another case of sh*t flying out of your mouth take it to the toilet and keep it off Alla... Not only for my sake, but yours too... out
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the general idea of this post is right on. i had trouble getting parties 50-60s (so i just made my own), but you know monks are going to have even more trouble if all people see is broke-ass punks shaming the job. still, if this argument is about cross-counters, they're hardly necessary to be a big dd force in 50-58 xp parties. after all, the reason we have trouble with invites isn't low dmg, it's lack of sc capability. i stole my share of hate with tm hooks+1 (still do at 60). once i get about 800k more gil, i'll steal some more hate with spartans. and yes, i've spent well over 600k already, as should have any monk at this level.

all that said, if you can get cross-counters at 50, of course do it! more dd the better. also, the best point i've read here regarding spartans vs cc is the one about level caps (and ballista, but stuff like that and soloing should be obvious). finally, you know cross-counters look cooler than a pair of punk cesti.
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are you on crack? quest a purple belt at lvl 18. quest a brown belt at 40... no go ahead, it'll be easy ><
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there is this guy on my LS on Phoenix that like hunts these all day >.<, i think he has sold at least 5 or more in a row on the price history
they only sell for around 1.5 mil on this server so its a lil easier to get em here ^^
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These have been a thorn in my side. 2mil in Midgardsormr, and a NM that I don't stand a chance at getting to til I'm level 75 (NM would still be a pain then given its undead). It seems the this would be a ways away for me unless I can farm enough tiger fangs for gil. But thus far, it seems to be the best H2H that I could use while soloing. ;_;
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I dunno, 1 less damage than the Spartan Cesti doesn't seem like something I'd miss.

But sheesh, I'd pair this with Counterstance, and anything else that can increase my Counter and lower my Evasion. If there was more equipment like this, Monks could go back to backup tanks! Just get some really high DEF armor (scarce for us), and you're set...
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I have those Knuckles since lvl 55 and i tried spartan cesti too. These do a lot more dmg in party and solo-play than cesti because you counter really often and i have a feeling that +19 seems not right, it seems a little bit more... but anyway, they are worth the 1.9 mio gil i payed for.

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I like the spartans more for PT's... these would rock solo though.
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this is the strongest HTH weapon u can get in this whole god dam game cuz of the damage +19 and that evasion drops by 10 means that it makes u more vulnerable to an attack so that u can get hit more so the more often u get hit the more u counter and this is one of the most CRAZIEST HTH weapon i want these....

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well, second best. the best is, without a doubt, the Spharai, which for all of you who don't know about the relic weapons is the final upgraded form of the relic knuckles. it does 23 damage for 86 delay, gives attack +20, enhances "counter" effect, and gives you the weapon skill "Final Heaven." but they're practically impossible to get, so until you've been lvl 75 for months and you've spent weeks at a time in dynamis, stick with these because there's a slim chance that that day will come, and besides these are good enough anyway! ^^

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Lets not forget its tons of damage, so who cares about the -10 evasion. The nest weapon you could get before this is patas +1, and thats 15 damage, i mean, this is great damage.
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