I am a level 20 in alchemy, and even when I have advanced support I fail this desynth 95% of the time, which results in a lot of lost goblin masks. The 5% of the time i do desynth, I get HQ2, which strikes me as odd...
Another update... Still level 32 in Alchemny, and had 6 of these masks. Tried to desynth them on lightning day, and only was able to do 1 of them, lost the rest. There must be some sort of random integer in this...
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Before updates I was able to synth these into Sheep Leather, but now I'm 0/20. Has the level been raised? I'm level 0~1 Leathercraft and I should be able to synth these.
You may want to look for some Tarutaru stools for your MH if you want to make money from desynth... it's the best furniture (Moghancement: Desynthesis; element: lightning), compared to the pictures (Desynthesis/dark).
lol my alchemy is 55. I buy these masks all the time but never more than 1000 a piece. The desynth on these I prefer is going with the Lightning crystal method. I am pretty sure from what I have found the rates are as follows, correct me if I'm wrong.
You can also get the same result on Moblin Helms, but for some reason i have more success off of Goblin Helms than with Moblin Helms. And with Glass Fiber stacks selling for 15k a stack in Bastok on Alexander. I will buy the AH out every time. But I will never pay more than 1000 gil for each one. If Im lucky I can get a stack of Glass Fiber in as little as 2 masks. You do the math and you tell me. Hope this helps. I know it helps my gil by going this route.
i HIGHLY recomend de-synthing theese to make fibers for the artafical lense faze.
why only for that you ask?
-you are above the cap by about 9 lvls. -you are above the cap agian...and u have a higher HQ rate compared to brake rate if u lvl off this -iff you synth on lightning day you can get the fibers cheeper then just buying strate up.
Now im not shure for later synting this but i just got done with artaficial lense and i saved ALOT more gil de-synthing gobbie masks then buying the fibers
heh...i even got my first HQ on this :)
good luck, and may your skill ups be 0.5's at a time.
When desynthing you always have a chance of a) success (as long as you have the skill unlocked) and b) a chance of an HQ result (no matter how low you are below the skill cap). While being an stupid idiot thinking I could desynth my Poison dagger back to a dagger to convert it to a different type (I forgot what type I wanted) I accendentally synthed it into an ingot. At the time I only had lvl 1 smithing... I thought I was going to use alchemy to desynth so I didn't even consider the ramifications of it.
Needless to say. I used this (The goby mask to glass fiber) to go from 11 to 21. You have to de-synth on the right day, and with synth support, and I would recommend the correct mog house enhancement. I still use this to this day to make quick gil. Since Prism powders are now 10k a stack, I can easily make 1 stack for about 2k gil and sell the prism powders for their old price of 6k... which ppl ussually buy for 10k in less then 10 mins anyways:).
While leveling I had about a 20% chance of a 4x HQ result and about a 10% 8x (I rarely got 6x). Now that I am lvl 70 alchemy I get about 8x HQ 80% of the time, with a random spattering of 6x and 4x... I get the normal synt less then 10% of the time. Please note I am not considering failures in that (I fail about 20% of the time with less then 10% mask loss). So, all and all, I make a quick killing on these. Fire crystal 400 gil, Light cyrstal 400 gil. Need two of each... 1600 gil. And then a mask runs about 500 gil on a good day:).
Please be kind and stop inflation of low level items. My goal is to see this item brought back down to 6k on Carbuncle, and to keep the masks at 500 to 1k... And well, I can't do it alone:)... but I sure can make ppl mad trying:)
Anyways, back to the point at hand. You can get HQ results on any de-synth. You can even get success on any desynth that you have a point of skill in (but I wouldn't recommend trying unless you are close). It's just your chance of success greatly increases the more you get over the skill cap level.
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i was doing some skill up in alchemy yesterday...and i was at lvl14 with advanced image support and on my first try i got 4 glass threads and on second i got 8
then figuring luck was with me i got some more masks and got nothing but breaks after that.
was it pure luck? cause i know 8 is HQ but i only did it once before....and my lvl was way below 22.
Something similar to this happend to me, first time I tryed I failed, failed, failed. Gave up then went back, synthed one, got 8 from it. Yay..should've saved them, I sold em to a vendor for some stupid reason ^^;
I believe, but don't hold me to this though, that it is an exceptional synth, just like lightning crystal plus Quadav Backplate can normally produce iron ingot, or occaisionally, darksteel ingot. Thats my thought.
you're either very lucky or I'm just not lucky at all.. I tried doing this 6 times at level 27 and failed 5 times.. I tried 3 masks again when my alchemy was levle 43 and failed all. This is one weird recipe :-/
omg ive been fighting goblins all day and not one has dropped this. Whats the drop rate on this thing because i swear ive at least fought 50 gobs and not found a single mask helm or armor.
On my server, (Rumah) I will buy them for 500.. I can get 10-20 in each town before the prices go up. Some people sell them for 900, but I can just wait till the prices go back down to buy more ^^ ... when I first started they were 300, the prices will keep going up as people are gradually aware of what they do. (If your lucky you can make 7k off of two masks.)
when I first started they were 300, the prices will keep going up as people are gradually aware of what they do. (If your lucky you can make 7k off of two masks.)
Please don't give people the wrong impression. The reason most people won't pay more than 500gil for masks is because of the extreamly high failure rate (even at very high skill levels), and the far majority of the time you will not get more than 2 loops from the desynth. At skill 47 i succeed 1 out of every 3 masks on average (about the same success rate i had at 21 skill, tho i do seem to lose less masks on failures), and i rarely get 4 loops, and very rarely i get 6. Coupled with the costs of lightning crystals your lucky to break even, much less make a profit.
I don't pay more than 500 gil for a mask (600 if i'm desperate) and i only use these when i need a few glass fibers, and if i need a larger amount of fibers i just buy the fibers directly sense it doesn't cost me much more than trying to make them, and most times its even less due to the high amount of falures one gets from desynthing beastman items
You can do the math... say 6 masks (3k at 500gil each), 12 lightning crystals (2k) equals 5k gil... a stack of fibers sells for 6k on my server... then add up all the failuers one will get and you can just save money buying the premade fibers, unless your very lucky and get 4 loops on a few of the masks, but thats too rare and too risky
I have just got my Alch up to 22. The only worth while crafting I can see to do is Masks -> Glass Fiber, save the Glass fiber and when I hit 30-32 go to Prism Powder. So, I have been trying to craft these by the boat load (farming them is harder then crafting:(). I succeed about 80% of the time, with 40% being 4x, and I have now once (out of about 20 attempts) gotten 8x. There are tricks to de-synthing to prevent the loss from failure... Unfortunately, I am nolonger setup for it... will have to buy more flower stands ;) Also, just to let you know, (de)synthing on the right day also helps.
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It's really not that hard to get the leather out of these. Even if you have a zero for every craft skill. I cut these constantly for leathercraft and lower level clothcraft.
I dont think you can ever master this synthesis as it always has a high chance of failure, chances are your going to burn a whole lot more wind crystals than you want to if your looking to make a stack this way. I've gotten to the point that I just sell the mask for 300-400 gil and be done with it.
If you combine a goblin mask with a wind crystal you'll get a piece of sheep leather. This is tannery skill and supposedly zero (0) level, but it wouldn't let me do it until I had a few tenths of a point.
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lol my alchemy is 55. I buy these masks all the time but never more than 1000 a piece. The desynth on these I prefer is going with the Lightning crystal method. I am pretty sure from what I have found the rates are as follows, correct me if I'm wrong.
HQ 1: 2 Glass Fiber
HQ 2: 4 Glass Fiber
HQ 3: 6 Glass Fiber
HQ 4: 8 Glass Fiber
You can also get the same result on Moblin Helms, but for some reason i have more success off of Goblin Helms than with Moblin Helms. And with Glass Fiber stacks selling for 15k a stack in Bastok on Alexander. I will buy the AH out every time. But I will never pay more than 1000 gil for each one. If Im lucky I can get a stack of Glass Fiber in as little as 2 masks. You do the math and you tell me. Hope this helps. I know it helps my gil by going this route.
And, instead of selling the glass fiber, just turn it into Prism Powders. You'll probably make more money.
NQ: 1 sheep leather
HQ1: 1 sheep leather
HQ2: 2 sheep leather
HQ3: ???
If anyone gets more than 2 pieces (or something different) please post.
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why only for that you ask?
-you are above the cap by about 9 lvls.
-you are above the cap agian...and u have a higher HQ rate compared to brake rate if u lvl off this
-iff you synth on lightning day you can get the fibers cheeper then just buying strate up.
Now im not shure for later synting this but i just got done with artaficial lense and i saved ALOT more gil de-synthing gobbie masks then buying the fibers
heh...i even got my first HQ on this :)
good luck, and may your skill ups be 0.5's at a time.
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Needless to say. I used this (The goby mask to glass fiber) to go from 11 to 21. You have to de-synth on the right day, and with synth support, and I would recommend the correct mog house enhancement. I still use this to this day to make quick gil. Since Prism powders are now 10k a stack, I can easily make 1 stack for about 2k gil and sell the prism powders for their old price of 6k... which ppl ussually buy for 10k in less then 10 mins anyways:).
While leveling I had about a 20% chance of a 4x HQ result and about a 10% 8x (I rarely got 6x). Now that I am lvl 70 alchemy I get about 8x HQ 80% of the time, with a random spattering of 6x and 4x... I get the normal synt less then 10% of the time. Please note I am not considering failures in that (I fail about 20% of the time with less then 10% mask loss). So, all and all, I make a quick killing on these. Fire crystal 400 gil, Light cyrstal 400 gil. Need two of each... 1600 gil. And then a mask runs about 500 gil on a good day:).
Please be kind and stop inflation of low level items. My goal is to see this item brought back down to 6k on Carbuncle, and to keep the masks at 500 to 1k... And well, I can't do it alone:)... but I sure can make ppl mad trying:)
Anyways, back to the point at hand. You can get HQ results on any de-synth. You can even get success on any desynth that you have a point of skill in (but I wouldn't recommend trying unless you are close). It's just your chance of success greatly increases the more you get over the skill cap level.
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then figuring luck was with me i got some more masks and got nothing but breaks after that.
was it pure luck? cause i know 8 is HQ but i only did it once before....and my lvl was way below 22.
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Please don't give people the wrong impression. The reason most people won't pay more than 500gil for masks is because of the extreamly high failure rate (even at very high skill levels), and the far majority of the time you will not get more than 2 loops from the desynth. At skill 47 i succeed 1 out of every 3 masks on average (about the same success rate i had at 21 skill, tho i do seem to lose less masks on failures), and i rarely get 4 loops, and very rarely i get 6. Coupled with the costs of lightning crystals your lucky to break even, much less make a profit.
I don't pay more than 500 gil for a mask (600 if i'm desperate) and i only use these when i need a few glass fibers, and if i need a larger amount of fibers i just buy the fibers directly sense it doesn't cost me much more than trying to make them, and most times its even less due to the high amount of falures one gets from desynthing beastman items
You can do the math... say 6 masks (3k at 500gil each), 12 lightning crystals (2k) equals 5k gil... a stack of fibers sells for 6k on my server... then add up all the failuers one will get and you can just save money buying the premade fibers, unless your very lucky and get 4 loops on a few of the masks, but thats too rare and too risky
Also, just to let you know, (de)synthing on the right day also helps.
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I have lvl 62 alchemy and it still fails 70% of the time.
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I've gotten to the point that I just sell the mask for 300-400 gil and be done with it.
i always use this combination to get sheep leather
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