Sorcerer's Ring  

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Hopefully this will clear up all the confusion about this ring.

Edited, Aug 17th 2007 2:49:57am by itchblm

Shendokai is on the right track but didn't finish a follow-up on this latent effect. It ends up that you need your current hp to be 75%, or less, than your base hp (your hp when naked). What is particularly confusing is that equipment giving simply +15hp or -15hp affects your BASE HP. Convert 50hp to 50mp and the like (such as zenith gear) affects your CURRENT HP.

So to use my example,

I have 755hp naked except Sorc. Ring: latent is triggered with 566 or less, current hp (i.e. 566/755 = 75%).

I have 705hp max., naked except Zenith Mitts and Sorc. Ring.: latent is triggered with 566 or less, current hp. That is, even though 566/705 is 80%, you still get latent.

I have 740hp max, naked except Root sabots (+35hp), Zenith Mitts, and Sorc. Ring.: latent is triggered @ 592-593/740 (i.e. 80%). This occurs because +35hp affected my base hp of 755, making my new base 790hp (593/790 = 75%).

***This is important because +HP and Convert HP > MP gear is the equipment you want to swap in affecting the ring's latent.*** (Although, -HP gear can bring your current HP down, keeping it on you will lessen the gap between current and max. For example, 593/790 = 75%, 593/(790-40HP) = 79%, causing latent to not proc)

I hope this helps at least 1 single person as I couldn't find concrete info anywhere!

THE REST OF THIS POST IS PURELY ANECDOTAL
How I found this out, started when I was getting what seemed to be mixed results. I found out, by chance, the exact HP I was getting my latent to kick in. I initially couldn't figure it out, but with the current HP known for latent to kick in, I finally came up with the math. 755 base + 35hp (Root Sabots) + 9hp (Rainbow Cape) - 20hp (Penitent's Rope) = 779 base x 0.75 = 554 current.

I am offering 1.3 MIL for this on the Seraph server. My character name is Blastxbeat, see you in game! Thanks!

I'm afraid your testing does nothing but mislead people even further as to the true nature of the Sorcerer's Ring latent. Try going through the BLM forums and you will realise that the latent activation has nothing to do with your current HP bar which is why your results go against the accepted 75% figure. The latent on the Sorcerer's Ring is activated by your current HP being at 75% of your BASE HP (that is your HP when naked). What also needs to be factored in is that Zenith Mitts also count towards this and therefore there is no need to remove them for nuking and that yellow HP is not required to activate it IF you understand how the latent is actually working.

It seems commonly accepted that this ring along with the other Lv 50 rings kicks in when your Health bar has lowered itself to 75% or less (yellow health). After hearing about 80% mark from many a JP friend, I decided to test some. My recent tests would suggest otherwise. The trigger is indeed in your HP bar, but the cut-off point is not 75%, but rather 80%. Observe:

Gear for the first 3 sets of tests:
-Jupiter's Staff
-Phantom Tathlum
-Demon Helm +1
-Ugg Pendant (Latent active)
-Abyssal Earring
-Moldavite Earring
-Genie Weskit
-Zenith Mitts
-Snow Ring
-Tamas Ring
-Prism Cape
-Penitent's Rope
-Mahatma Slops
-Rostruum Pumps

Test1
HP: Little less than 75% of my total HP bar (511/682)
Day: Windsday
Weather: None
Food Eaten: Melon Pie +1
Moon Phase: N/A 78% Waxing Gibbous
Spell cast: Thunder IV
Mob cast on: Ebony Puddings (Chosen for their low magic defense / resist rate)
Cast1: 1512 dmg
Cast2: 1512 dmg
Cast3: 1512 dmg
Cast4: 1483 dmg (slight resist due to addition of earth weather)
Cast5: 1512 dmg
Cast6: 1483 dmg
Cast7: 1448 dmg (again resist from weather came into play)
Cast8: 1512 dmg (weather dissappeared)
Cast9: 1512 dmg
Cast10: 1512 dmg

Both Ugg Latent and my Sorc Ring latent were in full swing. Next I tried it at my theoretical 80% HP mark.

Test2
HP: 80% of my total HP bar (545/682)
Day: Windsday
Weather: None
Food Eaten: Melon Pie +1
Moon Phase: N/A 78% Waxing Gibbous
Spell cast: Thunder IV
Mob cast on: Ebony Puddings
Cast1: 1512 dmg
Cast2: 1512 dmg
Cast3: 1483 dmg (earth weather came into being)
Cast4: 1483 dmg
Cast5: 1512 dmg
Cast6: 1512 dmg
Cast7: 1448 dmg (again resist from weather came into play)
Cast8: 1388 dmg (weather hit me hard)
Cast9: 1512 dmg (weather gone)
Cast10: 1512 dmg

The latent on the Sorc Ring was still kicking in fully with my ugg latent.

Test3
HP: Just 1 HP over 80% of my total HP bar (546/682)
Day: Windsday
Weather: None
Food Eaten: Melon Pie +1
Moon Phase: N/A 78% Waxing Gibbous
Spell cast: Thunder IV
Mob cast on: Ebony Puddings
Cast1: 1443 dmg
Cast2: 1443 dmg
Cast3: 1387 dmg (food ran out)
Cast4: 1443 dmg
Cast5: 1443 dmg
Cast6: 1443 dmg
Cast7: 1387 dmg (earth weather appears)
Cast8: 1405 dmg
Cast9: 1405 dmg
Cast10: 1443 dmg (weather dissappears)

The latent was not kicking in at 81%. My next three test runs consisted of a specialty day / gear set for ice just to test if it was on a specialty day with bonuses going into the elemental damage.

Gear for the last 3 sets of tests:
-Aquilo's Staff
-Phantom Tathlum
-Demon Helm +1
-Ugg Pendant (Latent active)
-Abyssal Earring
-Moldavite Earring
-Genie Weskit
-Zenith Mitts
-Snow Ring
-Tamas Ring
-Prism Cape
-Hyorin Obi
-Sorcerer's Tonban
-Rostruum Pumps

Test4
HP: Just under 75% of my total HP bar (511/682)
Day: Iceday
Weather: None
Food Eaten: Melon Pie +1
Moon Phase: N/A 80% Waxing Gibbous
Spell cast: Blizzard IV
Mob cast on: Ebony Puddings
Cast1: 1661 dmg
Cast2: 1661 dmg
Cast3: 1604 dmg
Cast4: 1661 dmg
Cast5: 1661 dmg
Cast6: 1563 dmg (I rested a little too much and ugg latent didn't kick)
Cast7: 1661 dmg
Cast8: 1661 dmg
Cast9: 1642 dmg
Cast10: 1661 dmg

Clearly the control of the experiment still works. Both latents are kicking in nicely with the day bonuses.

Test4
HP: 80% of my total HP bar (545/682)
Day: Iceday
Weather: None
Food Eaten: Melon Pie +1
Moon Phase: N/A 80% Waxing Gibbous
Spell cast: Blizzard IV
Mob cast on: Ebony Puddings
Cast1: 1661 dmg
Cast2: 1607 dmg
Cast3: 1661 dmg
Cast4: 1661 dmg
Cast5: 1563 dmg (Again, I rested too much, Ugg didn't kick)
Cast6: 1661 dmg
Cast7: 1661 dmg
Cast8: 1607 dmg
Cast9: 1661 dmg
Cast10: 1661 dmg

Again, both Sorc Ring and Ugg latent were kicking in just fine at 80% rather than the accepted 75% level.

Test6
HP: Just 1 HP over 80% of my total HP bar (546/682)
Day: Iceday
Weather: None
Food Eaten: Melon Pie +1
Moon Phase: N/A 80% Waxing Gibbous
Spell cast: Blizzard IV
Mob cast on: Ebony Puddings
Cast1: 1543 dmg
Cast2: 1543 dmg
Cast3: 1487 dmg
Cast4: 1543 dmg
Cast5: 1543 dmg
Cast6: 1543 dmg
Cast7: 1452 dmg
Cast8: 1543 dmg
Cast9: 1543 dmg
Cast10: 1543 dmg

Just over 80% clearly does not allow the latent of the Sorc Ring to kick in. However .5 of a HP under the 80% mark yielded a 100% kick-in of the Sorcerer's Ring latent very consistently.

Why does this affect me?
Well for starters, those of you making macros so you can macro your HP down to the right amount for this latent to kick in, this can change what equip you were planning on having. 80% of your health bar is NOT yellow. Its still the border of white meaning your WHMs and RDMs won't freak out. They still see white HP. Also in the event you're in an area with undead, you will not be aggroed by them from low HP but can still have super-boosted nukes.

You know what hurts, I had this ring on my old character after doing the BCNM in Giddeus. The one where you pick a chest?

Sold it for 300k... now I'm kicking myself for selling it. I could be using that for my BLM.

You know what hurts, I had this ring on my old character after doing the BCNM in Giddeus. The one where you pick a chest?

Sold it for 300k... now I'm kicking myself for selling it. I could be using that for my BLM.

[b][/b] Yeah I want this ring really bad.. I already got the republic Circlet ... (+5 Magic Atck. Bonus) so between these 2 things that quite a bit of damage.. Then add Molditave Earring in there O.O The Damage is crazy.. My friend has done experiments and it may not seem like ALOT compared to the hundreds of DMG BLM's do.. But believe me it adds up.. The only down fall to this ring is ... That its 5 mil... >.< These damn winter holidays screwed our whole server ....

Edited, Tue Oct 18 15:36:22 2005

yeah its too much of a pain to swap this in exp party .... every time my hp is yellow the WHM just cures me.... if i make a big deal about it its a hassle and so i just use it for solo'ing hard mobs. plus its going up in value since i bought it so i'll wait till it's worth a good amount

Oddly no one's seemed to have explained the value of this ring and its proper use. 'FenrirValendros' touched on it when he said:

This is proper End-Game and I'll tell ya how. XD
Know all that useless Aquarian Abj. you see dropping that no one wants? Yea, take it. ^^
Uncurse (yea I know, its a couple mil, but its end game lol) then make a macro that puts on Z.Head+Z.Legs+Z.Feet+Two Astrals(or Electrums or Serket). Now, make another macro that swaps back in your normal equipment. *GASP!* You have yellow HP w/o ever taking hate. ^^
Just hit those two macro's before a nuke and you get an instant +10% dmg on your spells. Taru's got it easy with the low HP, and might not even need all three of those items (and can probably get by with the electrums instead of the more expensive rings). And yes, /RDM helps a ton (assuming that what 'SmokeytheTaru' said about the Latent only activating with /WHM isn't true) what with not having that pesky Auto-Regen but even with /WHM all you have to do is hit your macros again.
Perhaps a third macro might be handy if you find yourself unable to control hate, that will equip your Earth Staff+Sorc.Earring and all the -Enmity gear you got. ^^
But all in all, don't count this ring as 'useless' guys! Its VERY useful if you just use it right.
*watches the price jump on AH*
MWAHAHA!!! Delicious!

Edited, Thu Sep 8 04:27:34 2005

just got this for 20k on slyph, feal bad for you guys that have to pay 500k for it, tested it out on fire elementals in sky, added around 80-100 to my nukes when i was in the yellow...now i want the ugg pendant

You all on other servers are so very very lucky...The price of this at Jeuno AH's on Bahamut range from 200k a month ago...to up to 2 mil for the last 6 sales....Talk about price gouging.

Does this only work when your tp is below 100 and when your hp is in the yellow or can these to be sepret?

Edited, Mon Apr 11 11:03:15 2005

This pretty much sums it up...
Latent effect for THIS ring is when you're life is in the yellow and you don't have to sub whm for this...
At level 53 I was subbing SMN in Kuftal and my magic bursts on Thunder II Fragmentation SC were 388-399 without the ring. When my hp hit the yellow and a MB was about to come up i used my macro to switch from my INT ring to the Sorcerer's Ring and my MB dmg would hit 418-433. Whenever I get the chance i would just stay in the yellow...its very doable if you can control your hate and you have a great tank. I just let the whm know that if my HP drops below 250 for them to cure me. Other than that I would just sit at 395/526 HP and just watch my hate.

Edited, Fri Feb 25 04:45:38 2005

on mystery tour it says it activates when ur hp is in yellow or tp is less than 100

I'm going to buy this ring if it's not too expensive and see if i get the dmg bonus when i wear it (rdm still 7, i'll level it soon once blm is 60). I SHOULD be able to see the difference as i did with my bastokan circlet. My Blizzaga in CN while in my late 30s were breaking 400dmg on mb compared to the normal 350ish i got when wearing the circlet (+3 MAB). Will have results tomorrow. ^_^

I have one and i use it. The latent affect is only with sub WHM. ^^

Does the "Magic attack bonus" only work on a MB, or in all magic attack spells? I asked this qustion on a post about the Moldavite earring, but it pertains to this Ring as well.

Some people bring "Latent Effect" equipment with them and change equipment in long battles if it's better than the normal equipment at yellow health. Some battles take quite a bit of time, and sometimes that Latent effect can make all the difference. Gobbiebags help, but it's really just up to the person to use them. One has to be very quick about switching equipment too.

Most people think it's not worth the hassle. For a BLM, magic attack bonus is awesome, but BLMs shouldn't be in yellow health >.<

Aye i saw this for 10k on the AH and i was tempted to buy it...would this be better for my 53 blm than the +2 / +3 int rings available now?

Is this better than +3 int I'm using right now?

What exactly does Latent Effect mean?