Shihei  

This may sound redundant. The ppl want to buy in game gil. They are willing to risk their gaming life to get it. SE spends countless resoarses in attempt to rid of "Rmt", yet they allow them to advertise on their sites. "The customer is always right" irl, so "Someone"(SE) had better get a grip and realize this Nazi style of oppression will bite you in the ass money wise. If there is a market, cater to it. Stop the insanity.
Provide POL based gil sales, and turn GM's into the delivery system. Seriously, its not that hard to figure out.

You have to keep in retrospect not everyone farms the same way you do, nor do they have the opportunity to farm at various times. Some of us get gil more simplistically, and just because everything is going up, that doens't meant it's going up at an even scale.

Your concept seems biased towards the end of those who sell as opposed to those who have to buy. Crafting, for example, is now a massive pain in the ass with random utensils going up, and yet the product remaining the same. The silk thread crisis on Alexander is a good example of this (on a good day, you sold them for 40k, usually 32- It peaked at almost 90k with this inflation issue and hasn't gone down that far since).

No, complaining about prices isn't really going to help them go down, though it may entice people to find other means of getting what they need, which may help lower demand, thus the oversupply should go down in price to sell. But don't call us stupid because from your point of view, you can just sell some fire crystals to balance it out. Economics is alot more complicated than that.

this is what happens when you dont have a life

I love it when people complain about the oil companies. "I remember when gas was only 1$ a gallon." Yeah ok, but back then your 200k house was only worth 80k, an arcade game was only 25 cents to play, and minimum wage was 3.75$ an hour.

This has NOTHING to do with gilsellers, and everything to do with you, and your fellow players.

You make it sound like gilsellers are out farming shihei, and jacking up the prices.

I have never seen a gilseller camp the woodworking guild to buy the 1 or 2 elm logs in stock, and then sell them for twice their value.

Other players do though.

I have never seen a gilseller fish nebonites, then HQ black ink to sell.

Other players do though.

Face it, it's the people that farm/fish and raise the prices on the ingrediants necessary to make items. This price hike is then passed on to the end users.

Don't like the prices? Then this is what you do. Go out and spend hundreds of thousands of gil and many many hours levelling woodworking and alchemy to 60, then farm for many many hours, and then undercut all the prices on the AH.

Until you do that, then you have no right to complain.

now how is this to do with gilsellers? maybe i've got this wrong, but i'm sure it's normal players that log all the items for this and fish for it....hence the price, if the players want they can lower it.

This attitude toward crafters really annoys me! WHY SHOULDN'T WE MAKE MONEY?!? We spend countless hours gathering crystals, materials, etc. then more time actually skilling up the craft and when all's said and done, we're supposed to sell things without making a profit?!? No Thanks! If you're so steamed up about the cost of shihei, go out and lvl woodworking yourself.

You could also try the far simpler route and do the quest to get Utsusemi: Ichi the scroll. You most definitely have to use the scroll to be able to use the ability! The quest involves a lot of Norg fame, which just takes a little patience in Giddeus, and then it takes a bit of walking around, sneak on, near Norg. Fairly easy, in the end, considering the reward. Don't give up on ninja... it's cool, and you apparently hate warrior...

Yes, before you start ranting and raving... please check to see why shiheis are so cheap. The ONLY thing in the game that drops the price of Shihei is loggers dropping the price of Elm Logs down to about 5k each. That way, crafters can turn them into bast parchment stacks for 5k a stack and in turn HQ shiheis at 5k a stack. Normal game price of shihei is a bit over 15k a stack. Trust me when I tell you shihei makers do not make THAT much money, I'm not sure why they do it themselves but they do all ninjas a favor. I am currently at lvl 60 in woodworking and simply too lazy to make my own shihei (since HQing them occasionally would leave it about the same as AH price, made by lvl 80+ woodworkers). Personally, after having taken ranger to 60+, I would like to thank all the shihei crafters for making Shihei affordable. besides, if you were to play ninja as it were meant to be played (using all your other debuffs) shihei are rather cheap. When I play ninja I spend a few hundred k on other tools (Hojo mainly is the killer at 30k stacks @_@) and I farm day in and day out to afford it. If you can't work to play ninja, don't play. Shihei makers have done the world a favor so please thank them the next time you see them.

what really makes you money here is if you can hq black ink...if you are high enough in alchemy, you can get a 'free' stack of inks per 12 synths almost everytime. And that in itself is REALLY good money... and blank ink sells pretty steadily, but no where near as fast as shihei does. On my server(ragnarok) you really make no more gil selling the shihei(barring hq synths) than you do selling the ingredients. But the demand for this stuff is crazy... on a good day, shihei will sell literally as fast as or even faster than you can synth it. Add in the possiblility for hq synths and you're talking about making a lot of money really fast.

Edited, Mon Feb 21 03:47:36 2005

You can buy bastparchment paper from AH ive seen it in jeuno many times

Then again, i guess you could make black ink instead of buying it, but still that wouldn't save you THAT much money...

 
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this isn't gilsellers driving up the price as far as i can see. i think the woodworkers who all thought they were going to get rich on HQ'ing this stuff got to 65 (as i did) and still don't see the HQ rate they dreamed of. in my opinion--and i have only once even tried to make money off these--is that people finally wised up. shihei is a neccessity. there is no reason to break even making an item with such demand. i for one am glad that people actually FOUGHT the gilsellers by raising the prices on these because NOW everyone can make money off them, not just gilsellers like "bblkjg" who does nothing but craft 24/7 and HQ these things with his 100 woodworking skill. ok, so granted the gilsellers make more money than they used to, buit at least the market is open to the masses. i for one will take this as a moral victory for the carpenters.

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Your sig says:
Woodworking: 60
Alchemy 48



Lets assume the following.
1: SOME RANDOM PERSON GOES, HERE! TAKE 50 STACKS OF SHIHEI OFF ME AND SELL THEM ON AUCTION HOUSE!!!

2: To move 50 stacks in a day (24 earth hours) you would have to sell them on Jueno AH @ 5k/stack. That is 4500 (5000 - 500) profit * 50 or 225,000.

To get a decent HQ rate, you need to be 50 over cap. At 30 over cap your HQ multiplier is 1.25, at 40 over it is 1.5, and at 50 over it is 1.75.
At zero over cap with no blowups you get 4 stacks of Shihei/1 stack of ingredients. At 30 over cap you get (4*1.25) 5 stacks/1 stack of ingredients.

However, your alchemy skill is 40 over cap on black ink, so instead of getting 6 Black Ink/stack you get (6*1.5) = 9 black ink. Your big freaking SECRET is you lower cost of black ink to increase profit margin.

Given my example of moving 50 stacks on Auction House with the cost of good sold = 0, it is not possible to make 200k/day. MAYBE if you farm every single ingredient on MONDAY. Do /sea NIN all and making them the deal of a lifetime on TUESDAY (line up buyers), and then synth and sell on deliver to people who all pre-paid gil in advance on WEDNESDAY it *COULD* happen. Opo-opo (monkeys) could also fly out of my bung hole.

EVEN if you make 2k margin/stack sold you would need to move 100 stacks/day. You would need to be in a NIN only linkshell, have mules at every save point/home point and undercut the auction house to move that much in a day.

YES it sells fast, yes it sells often, yes it can be profitable if you are 79 Woodworking, 55 Alchemy, but not 200k/day profitable.

dunno how this got here, i replied somewhere else lol

Edited, Sun Sep 5 23:46:13 2004