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# Aug 11 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
I've also found these for sale at the Tenshodo H.Q. inside Neptune's Spire in Jeuno. Amalasanda was selling them for 93 gil each at the time.

Edited, Aug 11th 2009 5:25pm by KilmasterRabbit
All the old posts on gilselling
# Jun 02 2007 at 5:11 AM Rating: Decent
This is how gilsellers are hurting everyone and jacking up the price.

In an effert to stop these gilsellers, SE had changed the loot tables so ppl get less drops. this has happened several times, and everytime it did ppl wanted to keep getting the same profit for time spent so the price goes up.
SE has done an exceptional job on getting rid of the Gilsellers thus far and I have seen these prices come dowm tremendously as an effect becuase farmers can get more of the items needed without competing with 60 other ppl. Prices are leveling out now because of SE's efforts and should say something about the gilselling vs ecomomy.
All and all if you want to make enough money in this game to buy the stuff you want try putting an effort toward it. Don't be lazy, because leveling isn't the only thing to do in this game. Thanks and I'm sorry I posted this here instead of where it was probably supposed to go.
All the old posts on gilselling
# Nov 26 2009 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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This may sound redundant. The ppl want to buy in game gil. They are willing to risk their gaming life to get it. SE spends countless resoarses in attempt to rid of "Rmt", yet they allow them to advertise on their sites. "The customer is always right" irl, so "Someone"(SE) had better get a grip and realize this Nazi style of oppression will bite you in the ass money wise. If there is a market, cater to it. Stop the insanity.
Provide POL based gil sales, and turn GM's into the delivery system. Seriously, its not that hard to figure out.
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lol, Im 62 WoodWorking and I HQ these out my arse.
Always go in a pattern too:
One example I loves was; 33,33,33,33,66,33,66,33,66,66,66,66,66,99,99,99,33,33,33,33,33,66,33,66....
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Yah The two nations were tied for the lead so I made a lot of these to sell in tool bags for 150k a stack
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I feel sorry for all of you down the thread who have to pay 17-20k on a stack of these... 6k at jeuno AH on Siren... suddenly I don't feel so bad about not having any money... hehe

Btw these are the 2nd cheapest tool on siren. cheapest is tsurara at 3k/stack

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Locations of Ominous Cloud
# Apr 08 2006 at 5:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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To make toolbags, find Ominous Cloud:
If Bastok is #1
Ominous Cloud Bastok Port L-8
If San d'Oria is #1
Ominous Cloud San d'Oria South H-9
If Windurst is #1
Ominous Cloud Windurst Woods H-10

Just trade him as many as seven stacks of tools at once, along with the corresponding number of winjruit.

Edited, Wed Apr 12 15:35:02 2006
RE: Locations of Ominous Cloud (he bags them)
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Pardon me, double post.

Edited, Sat Apr 8 17:33:01 2006
#Dynforgotten, Posted: Feb 23 2006 at 8:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) DAMN WHOEVER DECIDED TO STACK BOLT HEADS/ ARROWHEADS TO 99.
RE: why stacks of 99? WHY!!
# Mar 08 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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Why don't you just level the craft that is required to make the bolt heads? Alot of people level 2-3+ crafts at the same time because eventually you'll run into a spot where you'll need a secondary craft. A good example is making some ninja tools that require cooking. Alchemy is my main craft, but I lvled cooking also. Same with WW for bast parchment. it's all about the level of commitment you are after.
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RE: why stacks of 99? WHY!!
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Why don't you both post this kind of stuff under acid bolt heads, you are only cluttering up a thread about shihei...
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just a note in case someone is asking, the person who bundles All ninja tools is called Ominous Cloud and he travels with the circuis. THe circuis goes to whichever nation is #1. so keep that in mind. also the person who bundles Arrows is the same thing. some mithran.

you will need a wijnruit from Mah and Pah shot in upper jeuno. for arrows u need a carnation. its one flower /stack so the max u can do is 7 stacks /7 flowers at one time

Edited, Sun Feb 5 18:34:09 2006
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# Jan 18 2006 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Just an update. On fairy server, cuttings go for 50k each and fire crystals go for around 20k a stack. a stack of these go for 17k-20k which means farming for 1 hour in rolan for cuttings got me about 12 stacks of these (I just bought the stack of bags). If you arent farming in this game then it's your fault. Games always increase with inflation as more and more money goes into the system. Blame yourself for doing quests and getting gil that way because you put more money out there for gil sellers to sell. whine all you want but your not any more inocent then they are.
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# Jan 11 2006 at 4:36 PM Rating: Default
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Yawn. Why is everyone arguing about the prices going up? This is really lame. The prices aren't going up on one thing. They're going up on everything.

What does this mean? This means that compared to everything else, they're still the same price. In other words, if you sell your 4 stacks of fire crystals (at 1k) to afford a 4k stack of shihei, then its the same thing as if you sell your 4 stacks of fire crystals (at 5k) to by your 20k stack of shihei. So whats the point of arguing. The prices aren't really going up. That's your perception, and its flawed.
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# Jan 17 2006 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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You have to keep in retrospect not everyone farms the same way you do, nor do they have the opportunity to farm at various times. Some of us get gil more simplistically, and just because everything is going up, that doens't meant it's going up at an even scale.

Your concept seems biased towards the end of those who sell as opposed to those who have to buy. Crafting, for example, is now a massive pain in the ass with random utensils going up, and yet the product remaining the same. The silk thread crisis on Alexander is a good example of this (on a good day, you sold them for 40k, usually 32- It peaked at almost 90k with this inflation issue and hasn't gone down that far since).

No, complaining about prices isn't really going to help them go down, though it may entice people to find other means of getting what they need, which may help lower demand, thus the oversupply should go down in price to sell. But don't call us stupid because from your point of view, you can just sell some fire crystals to balance it out. Economics is alot more complicated than that.
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# Jan 09 2006 at 10:23 PM Rating: Default
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THIS IS SO ****ED UP after IGE {Lower the price?}{Down} this ****ing thing sells for 18k~20k
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SO ****ED UP!
# Jul 01 2006 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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this is what happens when you dont have a life
Fire Crystals
# Dec 28 2005 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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for Fire Crystals on Fairy it is 13k per stack, just thought I'd put that in
you missed the point
# Dec 11 2005 at 3:56 AM Rating: Default
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you guys seem to missunderstand.
IGE = gilsellers
gilsellers are people that sell gil, not bots, not nm campers
bots are a problem because they are not doing the work, the computer program does the work....which means they are not players
nm campers are not gilsellers, some maybe but camping nm doesn't make them a gs, however, it would be really nice if i could go camp an nm for the drop to use and not be beat by 10 people that just want to sell the drop
ABout gilsellers in general and just other players
# Nov 08 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok well I read that long post about "I hate gilsellers" and wanted to throw in my 2 cents. I admit gilsellers are a nusiance, but hey, it's a game, smile, sit down, relax blah blah. If you're taking the actions of another player so damned serious then maybe YOU need to step away from the PS2/computer and get some fresh air. Now as far as AH prices go. The AH prices are sorta based on all of us, in my experience. If I got ahold of a Rabbit charm, I could walk into the AH, sell it for 1 gil, and make millions of profit. Same thing with Shihei. If someone was to start selling it for 1 gil, only about 1% of the players would know. Because everyone goes into the AH looks at price history and sets their bids/prices off that. So, here's a challenge, next time you see something that you want, try bidding 1 gil on it, then try 100, 1000, etc etc. I have done this before on some items and found soemone skirting the radar on prices and making a KILLING, all because everyone else sits there and assumes that if 20 people paid 9500 for something, that it's worth 9500. chances are someone priced it at 10gil and are about to make a 9490 profit.

Just to give everyone a quick lesson in price gouging. Hell the oil companies just did it to all of us Americans with gasoline.
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ABout gilsellers in general and just other players
# Oct 07 2006 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I love it when people complain about the oil companies. "I remember when gas was only 1$ a gallon." Yeah ok, but back then your 200k house was only worth 80k, an arcade game was only 25 cents to play, and minimum wage was 3.75$ an hour.
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# Nov 01 2005 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
im lvl 69 wood and this is really pissin me off i hsould HQ a god amount like today i crafted on new mon dark and only got 1 HQ and 2 breaks on windday usally dont know moon phase i got no HQ but usally on wind and ice and dark i get aleast 1 i know i should get alot more anyone have suggestions?
hmm
# Sep 02 2005 at 6:11 AM Rating: Decent
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you guys need to quit crying... I SPENT THE TIME to level woodworking and alchemy so guess what... i can make my own shihie for my nin and also profit off of it when im not leveling nin to buy other expensive things for other jobs.... funny how this whole crafting thing works.... almost like they put it in the game for a reason..

BTW for good amount of hq's you'll want woodworking to be 60-70ish i would assume higher is even better, but im stuck at 67 woodworking <damn demon arrowheads 120k a stack ; ;>

Edited, Fri Sep 2 07:24:12 2005
RE: hmm
# Oct 26 2005 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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So I asked a question, then let the page fully load and read the rest of the posts, one of which answered my question, which is not obsolete, and gone. Thanks for reading this, cause there's nothing more to it.

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wat does ur woodworking skill need to be to hq=66 or hq=99





Woodworking=56 Bonecraft=8 and others
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To get a good HQ rate you need to be 60+. You will be able to HQ some of the time starting at 40. (Before then HQ's will be rare). 80+ will get you the highest rates of HQ.
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Where is the NPC do bundle these into toolbags?
RE: Toolbags
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I believe it's the shady-looking Galka that follows Valeriano (sp?) around. He'd be in which ever town was currently in 1st place in conquest, and as I recall, he's usually leaning against a wall near the troupe.

If I remember correctly, his name is Ominous Cloud.
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There is an elm log vendor in tavnazian safehold now, which has helped stabilize prices alot. You have to have beaten Diabolos to have the vendor open though. With wood60 and alch60, you will make incremental profit by making the ink and parchemnt, and have broken the 31 tier for some shehei HQs...
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Actually, I have purchased elm logs before having completed Diablos. I'm assuming the only requirement you need to have is access to Tavnazian safehold.

Forgive me for correcting you.

One npc is Nilerouche at F-7 in the safehold. I forgot which one I purchased mine from, but I believe there could be more than one.
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To make Shihei's at a lower cost you will need the following
  • woodworking skill at least 45 for the Bast Parchment
  • alchemy skill at least 29 for the Bast parchment and Black Ink
  • fishing skill at least 30 for the Nebimonite
  • Bast Parchment*2 Craft them to lower your own cost
  • Black Ink craft this item also.
  • Composite rod equiped with crayfish ball
  • for the Nebimonite
  • hatchet's for elm and willow logs.
  • And lots of patience
  • You could also craft the rods and hatchets your self.


  • Check this link for good logging locations I got good results at Ghelsba Outpost.
    Shehei's are very good for making Gil I made close to 400,000 gil in a few days between me and my 7 mules posting on the auction house.

    And the Nebimonite's I fished up at a fare rate on the Selbelbina/Mhaura Ferry with Crayfish ball.
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    I Hate GilSellers -.-
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    So now my NIN is lvl 12 and I got utsusemi and geuss how much these costs? 15k a stack -.- I hate u Gilsellers....
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    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Jul 31 2005 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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    This has NOTHING to do with gilsellers, and everything to do with you, and your fellow players.

    You make it sound like gilsellers are out farming shihei, and jacking up the prices.

    I have never seen a gilseller camp the woodworking guild to buy the 1 or 2 elm logs in stock, and then sell them for twice their value.

    Other players do though.

    I have never seen a gilseller fish nebonites, then HQ black ink to sell.

    Other players do though.

    Face it, it's the people that farm/fish and raise the prices on the ingrediants necessary to make items. This price hike is then passed on to the end users.

    Don't like the prices? Then this is what you do. Go out and spend hundreds of thousands of gil and many many hours levelling woodworking and alchemy to 60, then farm for many many hours, and then undercut all the prices on the AH.

    Until you do that, then you have no right to complain.
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    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
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    I have never seen a gilseller camp the woodworking guild to buy the 1 or 2 elm logs in stock, and then sell them for twice their value.

    I have... there's a few people on Bismarck that were camping the woodworking guild, making nothing but shihei, only to move to the Port Sandy delivery NPC, then back again. That doesn't mean other people aren't buying guild items for upmarking though...

    Gilsellers ARE moving into other fields of revenue, because NM camping for gil is pretty much dead.
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    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
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    You absolutely CANNOT distinguish a normal player from a Gil Seller. Anybody could be a Gil Seller. I've seen people camp stores for days. They logout right after they buy out the item and are back the minute before shop opens again. You should not profile Gil Sellers as a separate "group" because players refers to anyone on the game. Gil Sellers are players in the game. So, neccessarily everyone causes prices to rise.

    I could put a whole paragraph on how Gil Sellers affect the game economy using my A+ in Economics, but I am tired and will use the Supply and Demand theory some other day. It's fun stuff and very useful. I suggest anyone playing this game to actually read up on Basic Economics and Psychology. It helps...ALOT.
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    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Aug 15 2005 at 8:26 AM Rating: Default
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    You should not profile Gil Sellers as a separate "group" because players refers to anyone on the game. Gil Sellers are players in the game.

    first off, gil sellers can be put into a different groups because of the fact that they raise the price so that ppl will have to buy gil from them or farm for hours and hours or try to camp NMs just to be beaten by gil sellers. second off, for you to even consider them as players is an insult >_>
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    second off, for you to even consider them as players is an insult >_>


    This statment alone shows a lack of thought. How, by definition, are they 'NOT' a player. They dont actually play the game? False.

    Crafters that spend ALL their time crafting, and NEVER level also do these, yet some of the most rich players on each server are these type of people. These people, are players.

    The current Gusgen Mine group that are jacking up the price of Gold Ore annoy the hell out of me. But they must sit there and mine the point (bot or not) till it's no longer there. ANY player can rightfully mine over them, as many do.

    The other people that mine over them do almost the exact same thing they do, are these people not players? for reference, they are.

    While I dispise Gil-sellers, and I think the statment you made to counterattack the line was valid, To say that they are not players is blindly avoiding the facts.

    We 'wish' they weren't. But they are.

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    RE: I Hate GilSellers -.-
    # Jul 18 2006 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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    all of the problems we face regarding gil is because of greed and ignorance in people that dont know how destructive what they do actually is.
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    now how is this to do with gilsellers? maybe i've got this wrong, but i'm sure it's normal players that log all the items for this and fish for it....hence the price, if the players want they can lower it.
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    The NPC for bundeling your nin tools into stackable toolbags is near the same NPC that quivers arrows for you. In Sandoria it is Ominous Cloud (south sandoria just NW of the AH. I'm not sure if the city has to control a certain region or if they have to be in 1st. On my server currently sandoria is 1st and i can quiver arrows & bundle tools there so i imagine it's whoever is first.

    They are bundled by trading a wijnruit and 99 tools. These are sold by Areebah (Upper Jeuno G-6) as well as Dabih Jajaloh (Ru'Lude Gardens F-9)
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    # Jun 21 2005 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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    All these crafters cheering that the price of shihei went up and talking about making money off it, while all the ninjas cry... I just got Utsusemi and I wanted to play my ninja (I stopped playing for a few months and shihei were around 4k then), but they're 8 to 9k a stack on Seraph and that's just ludicrous.
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    # Jan 03 2006 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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    You want to know something really messed up. I stop playing for about a year because of work and other things when I come back. Teleports are 2k-5k. Ya know I remember when they were only 500gil if that. Sometimes you would run into a free taxi. As for tools and such yes before I left you could pick up a stack of shiheis for around 3k not much profit in them and now they are 12k a stack and bundles are sitting around 150k to 200k. Good thing my crafting skills are high or I would be broke lol. Advice ummm....woodworking I know isn't cheap to lvl logs cost some serious cash after you pass lvl 40. And as for Alchemey lets just say it gives goldsmithing a run for its money. And good luck finding componates for alchemey at higher lvls. And if you magically do yeah your going to pay through the nose for it. Oh yeah....pots and eithers don't sell that well.
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    # Jul 16 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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    This attitude toward crafters really annoys me! WHY SHOULDN'T WE MAKE MONEY?!? We spend countless hours gathering crystals, materials, etc. then more time actually skilling up the craft and when all's said and done, we're supposed to sell things without making a profit?!? No Thanks! If you're so steamed up about the cost of shihei, go out and lvl woodworking yourself.
    Shihei Price Scam
    # May 30 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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    Recently it has come to my attention that in jeunoian bazzar bot's bazzars they have shihei priced at stack prices of 4k a wandering passer by thinks ooh a stack of shihei in which they are only getting one at that price i have noticed this day by day and have made it to where that once i get my skills up i am going to have one of my 4 mules at jeuno with shihei at a better price to out sell the gil-sellers and the scammers that are wandering the streets these days. if you also notice this on your server please make a note that shihei singles are 50g-80g atleast on kujata.. thus at stack prices its a scam and a rip off

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    prices insane on other severs?
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    Well I see people mentioning the elm logs for the price on this, I don't know what the price of shihei was before I started nin, but when I was lvl30ish war (with a gimped sub.. lvl10...) I used to log elm logs for profit cause they were 17k each on midgardsormr
    I see people here saying it's 5-7k each
    Well on midgard it was 17k EACH for the longest time =P
    So yeah, there you have it :P
    On midgard now the price of shihei is 6-10k depending on how much you run around looking
    Elm Logs are around 8k (or at least that's what I usually get when selling it in sandy)
    bast parchments i'm not sure of price of

    As for the prices, I'm used to the price jumping up and down, it's not bugging me much as I'm rng and not nin, the prices i hate are the prices of stacks of arrow quivers...
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    RE: prices insane on other severs?
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    Midgarsormr has like the most inflated prices right now >.< Fire crystals going for 6k a stack in sandy AH <.< everything has shot up and it STINKS! stupid GS!
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    RE: prices insane on other severs?
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    Yea I'm with Silent... A stack of Fire crystals in Bastok is 8k -.-... And the cluster was like 10k... Midgarsormr isn't a funny shopping world..
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    prices insane on other severs?
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    # May 08 2005 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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    i bought 2 stacks in sandy AH for 7k each.. on Titan, (just got lvl 12 on nin, and was eager to try it >.>) but in jeuno, they were selling for 6k-6.5k .. =/
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    # May 07 2005 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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    Hey guys, I have recently decided to start crafting/woodworking b/c Shihei is too darn expensive. I really need some insight on how to get started and what the make to build skills. I started with some wood turning to lumber. You somebody mind responding with a more in depth (woodworking for dummies) kind of posting? Whoever helps out, you're the best!!

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    Since the update if you make a purchase from a Bazaar it will ask you if you want to buy the item at such and such price, It will show the total anount of what the transaction will be.

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    Current Titan Prices
    # Mar 11 2005 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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    On Titan this Costs

    Sandy = 6k
    Bastok = 7k
    Windy = 6.5k
    Jeuno = 7.5k

    There are some Bazaars that are trying to trick poeple by putting shehei in there bazaar for 4k each (commant "4k full stack 99" ect..) tricken poeple to buy 1 for 4k :S. i make shihei with my character i set my maul mext to that person with shihei for the right price (42-50Gil). weather the othere person knows that im doing that couse there not selling as much (pass) i don't care.
    ^^
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    save a notorious monster...kill a gil seller:)
    shihei are about 15k in starting cities and 19k inn jeuno, and norg is 9k :O so when i need sum i just pop over there and grab some :D they went from 5k to 19k in less than a month >=( just when i got NIN i saw the price increase which screwed me over hard core ><
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    all the cities are linked to the main cities, kazaa is tied to windy's AH, norg is to sandy. so you saying that its 9k in norg and 15k in sandy is funny because im guessing you didnt really check...they are the same AH lol
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    a) There is a vendor in Norg that sells shihei.
    b) Norg's AH is linked to Bastok, not Sandy.

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    You can buy shihei from a vendor in norg. DID YOU CHECK.
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    could not find shihei but there was bast parchment going for 1-3k each. May have something to do with conquest.

    Edited, Fri Sep 9 10:58:23 2005
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    ok, how does this stuff work...

    do you need the scroll to use this tool or is this what you can use if you dont have the scroll? (on acount of the scroll is so expensive)

    please tell me it is the second option... if it isnt i might as well quit ninja and ranger altogether and lvl warrior till about lvl 55ish, wich i DO NOT want to do on acount of i didnt like my warrior job...

    edit: heck id rather lvl bard to endgame than have to go thtrough the first option here...

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    You could also try the far simpler route and do the quest to get Utsusemi: Ichi the scroll. You most definitely have to use the scroll to be able to use the ability! The quest involves a lot of Norg fame, which just takes a little patience in Giddeus, and then it takes a bit of walking around, sneak on, near Norg. Fairly easy, in the end, considering the reward. Don't give up on ninja... it's cool, and you apparently hate warrior...
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    Are you saying Bard is a bad job?! And I'm very sure you need the scroll AND the tool to use the Ninjitsu.
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    no, i just dont like the support role kinda job...

    Damage Dealer!!!!!!!!!!

    oh, and thanks, meh...
    what idiot thought of that idea anyway...

    {hmm...}/sigh Warrior job then :(

    curses!!! foiled a... Overly priced ninjitu's!!!!!!!!

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    And Warrior can outdamage Ninja easily. They can outdamage almost anybody if played right.
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    Ninja isn't the way to go if you want to be an all out Damage Dealer... In fact I have gone quite a few battles with attacking maybe at the most three times the whole time. Ninja takes money and quick timing. In fact I think of myself as tank/support since I am always trying to keep hate and debuff for the BLM, not to mention blind, slow, and paralyze the mob for my own benifit.
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    #Mianu, Posted: Feb 24 2005 at 10:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) just do the utsusemi quest like the rest of us and stop whining you lazy SOB
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    # Feb 12 2005 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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    Shihei stacks on Fairy have hit an all time high at 15k in Jueno! The cost of bast parchment alone has jumped to 16k a stack. Even in the outlying cities Shihei is currently just over 10k.
    grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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    Anyone who doesn't lvl nin and synths this stuff to make money SHOULD BE SHOT!! I f#@kin hate you all, you make me sick.
    Not too long ago the price of shihei was around 5k/stack, now it's gone up to as much as 8-10k/stack!! Has the price of the materials gone WAY up or something? I think you shihei sellers should be ashamed of yourselves. Try lvlin nin, then you'll see how ludacris the prices of this $hit is.
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    RE: grrrrrrrrrrrrr
    # Apr 29 2005 at 6:02 AM Rating: Decent
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    Yes, before you start ranting and raving... please check to see why shiheis are so cheap. The ONLY thing in the game that drops the price of Shihei is loggers dropping the price of Elm Logs down to about 5k each. That way, crafters can turn them into bast parchment stacks for 5k a stack and in turn HQ shiheis at 5k a stack. Normal game price of shihei is a bit over 15k a stack. Trust me when I tell you shihei makers do not make THAT much money, I'm not sure why they do it themselves but they do all ninjas a favor. I am currently at lvl 60 in woodworking and simply too lazy to make my own shihei (since HQing them occasionally would leave it about the same as AH price, made by lvl 80+ woodworkers). Personally, after having taken ranger to 60+, I would like to thank all the shihei crafters for making Shihei affordable. besides, if you were to play ninja as it were meant to be played (using all your other debuffs) shihei are rather cheap. When I play ninja I spend a few hundred k on other tools (Hojo mainly is the killer at 30k stacks @_@) and I farm day in and day out to afford it. If you can't work to play ninja, don't play. Shihei makers have done the world a favor so please thank them the next time you see them.
    RE: grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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    Before you start just spouting off, you should do some research. I am a lvl 34 nin in Garuda, with woodowrking at 25 now. I am trying to make my own shihei, both to be used and to raise my skill. well, Bast parchment costs just over 2k here in Norg...black ink about 1k from bastok. Assuming no synths fail, thats 6 bast parchments (12k), 3 black inks (3k), and 3 wind crystals(600) per stack. thats a total of 15600 for one stack of 99 shihei. Until I can get my woodworking up to the level of making my own bast parchement, and I can hq my shihei synths, I am losing 5k per stack.

    Shihei cost a lot to BUY, because they cost a lot of money to MAKE. But you would have known that if you did a little research.
    RE: grrrrrrrrrrrrr
    # Jun 19 2005 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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    i actually lose about 7k per stack of wind crystals i use when making shihei. and a stack of wind crystals gets me about 6-7 stacks of shihei. im leveling NIN and Woodworking. the people who are actually making money on this are the ones who can consistently make HQ synths in the amount of 66 and even 99. it takes me 6 bast parchment and 3 black inks to make a stack of shihei.

    bast parchment on asura: 13-16k per stack
    black ink: i dont remember. but its over 10k.
    wind crystals: 4.5-5k.

    i wind up losing about 6.5k per set of materials. 13k when i buy enough materials for 2 stacks of wind crystals.

    the skill ups are worth it though. (IMO at least)
    Did they change the exceptional rate in the update?
    # Jan 17 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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    i'm 66 woodcraft skill . . . and i've noticed a huge drop in exceptional crafts for shihei in the past week. i've only gotten one or two exceptionals from about 5 stacks of ink and 10 stacks of bast parchment. is this just bad luck? or did they change the chance of exceptional synths on this item?

    for this item, an alchemy skill of 30 comes in really handy so you can make your own ink and bast parchment (saves a few thousand gil, but is a pain in the butt), and face a certain direction when using wind crystals used to help . . . i guess not anymore though

    any info on this is greatly appreciated, thanks!!
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    # Jan 14 2005 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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    You HAVE to be able to HQ synth with Shihei to get any profit whatsoever (that means get to lvl 58 woodworking for a 50% chance of HQ). The reason is because bast parchment can only be bought off an NPC in norg and the ink can be bought in Bastok. So, after you run from one end of Vana D'eil to the other you find out that 2 parchments cost you about 1620, a wind crystal about 160-200 (Depending on AH) and ink about 1875 a piece. In turn, 2 parchments, 1 ink and a wind crystal will synth 33 shihei (most of the time) so that 3700 Gil total for 33 shihei x3 = 11k for a stack! Even if you farm for crystals thats still 10.5k a stack. If you HQ synth, then thats where to make double profit, though. 3.7k for every 66-99 shihei HQ synth is not that bad every once in a while.

    If there is a way to farm for bast parchment and black ink please let me know.

    Edited, Fri Jan 14 09:50:53 2005
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    RE: I don't get it
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    actually the 50% HQ tier is lvl 80 for shihei
    29+51=80. 58 wouldn't even break the 30% tier.
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    # Feb 21 2005 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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    what really makes you money here is if you can hq black ink...if you are high enough in alchemy, you can get a 'free' stack of inks per 12 synths almost everytime. And that in itself is REALLY good money... and blank ink sells pretty steadily, but no where near as fast as shihei does. On my server(ragnarok) you really make no more gil selling the shihei(barring hq synths) than you do selling the ingredients. But the demand for this stuff is crazy... on a good day, shihei will sell literally as fast as or even faster than you can synth it. Add in the possiblility for hq synths and you're talking about making a lot of money really fast.

    Edited, Mon Feb 21 03:47:36 2005
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    Where did you find Black Ink for 1875/ea?! On Caitsith its <1000 per ink. Still doesn't yield a profit unless u can HQ/EX, but damn, 1875??
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    RE: I don't get it
    # Jan 20 2005 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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    You can buy bastparchment paper from AH ive seen it in jeuno many times
    RE: I don't get it
    # Jan 15 2005 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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    Try making the Bast Parchemnt and Black Ink yourself. That makes it MUCH cheaper to craft. The stuff to make it is listed here. And if you wanna go really cheap, fish your own ingredients for the black ink. I just made quite a few stacks at a total cost of maybe 10k plus some time in the game.
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    Then again, i guess you could make black ink instead of buying it, but still that wouldn't save you THAT much money...
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    #Mianu, Posted: Jan 09 2005 at 6:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am on Asura and its gotta be the worst server there is. When I first starting buying shihei it was 3.5k a stack now..........its 7.5k a stack. This is ridiculous. It has been shown that the economy on Asura is the worst there is. Come to this server and you will see what they are talking about.
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    # Jan 11 2005 at 2:06 AM Rating: Default
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    this isn't gilsellers driving up the price as far as i can see. i think the woodworkers who all thought they were going to get rich on HQ'ing this stuff got to 65 (as i did) and still don't see the HQ rate they dreamed of. in my opinion--and i have only once even tried to make money off these--is that people finally wised up. shihei is a neccessity. there is no reason to break even making an item with such demand. i for one am glad that people actually FOUGHT the gilsellers by raising the prices on these because NOW everyone can make money off them, not just gilsellers like "bblkjg" who does nothing but craft 24/7 and HQ these things with his 100 woodworking skill. ok, so granted the gilsellers make more money than they used to, buit at least the market is open to the masses. i for one will take this as a moral victory for the carpenters.
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    Lol, I was just chatting with "bblkjg", well was trying to.

    He was kinda rude, I was asked him what lvl you had to be to make Shihei, he then responded back after 3 /tell's and said 90. I waited a few and asked if he meant he was 90 or had to be 90 to make them, all along knowing it was around the mid 20's to do it.

    Then he said no, you have to be 81... ><

    I responded back and mentioned this site, and said I though it was in the 20's, and he finally said ya... And did not respond back..

    Anyway, I don't know if he is a Gil seller, but I know he has a high Woodworking and Alchemy crafts.. And isnt the nicest person ;p /sigh
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    HA! you must be on ifrit, i see that guy all the time. i've tried to talk to him and he doesnt reply . . . what an @$$40!!3
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    RE: heh stop ur whining
    # Jan 16 2005 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
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    wow your server has a gil seller that bothered to get 100 woodworking o_O

    My server has had elm logs go up from 5k to 9k in the past month which is used to make bast parchements and then used for shiheis. Theres a group of gilsellers camping logging area in outpost 24/7 I went to log there once and they will just run up and log a point your already logging. So gil sellers are definatly the reason on my server...
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    # Jan 27 2005 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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    lol 7.5k? its 8k-10k on alexander how is that for F!?&ked up economy?
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    Quote:

    It has been shown that the economy on Asura is the worst there is.


    Hah! Seraph, currently over 8k a stack. Even fire crystals are ridiculous, fluctuating between 4.5-5k a stack.

    I say we all grab a maul (replica maul for us non-whms) and beat a gil seller. =)
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    This evil little thing called "Shihei" supposedly meaning "Paper money" -_-;

    needs not only 60ish woodworking but enough alchemy for HQ for a good profit.

    or just to make it yourself you know...
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    well if u hadnt seen it yet....all the tools for casting ninjitsu(sp?) had changed form a bag of powder to....some sort of oragame.

    hehe i just kinda find it funny ^_^
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    # Dec 07 2004 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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    I am on Asura and its gotta be the worst server there is. When I first starting buying shihei it was 3.5k a stack now..........its 7.5k a stack. This is ridiculous. It has been shown that the economy on Asura is the worst there is. Come to this server and you will see what they are talking about.
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    hmm.... I've got to say that leveling on shihei isn't the greatest. i didn't do it personally, but that's because I couldn't find a way to make any money on it. I finally reached woodworking 60, which was my goal so I'm done leveling it for good now. Over the course of all that leveling I made a net profit. knowing everything i know now, if i had to do it all over again, i'd take about 3 weeks, and i know i'd make a lot more money than the first time around. but i still wouldn't level on shihei.

    right now i'm leveling weaving, and i'm not sure when i'm going to take a break, but when i do, the next step will be to get alchemy high enough to make the shihei ingrediants, so then i can HQ this synth. that'll be a decent supplementary income. i'm already making decent profits on shinobi-tabi, and i'm keeping my eye out for which other ninja tools sell fast. my friend said that he got to alchemy 35 for around 60K, but i think i could do better. at alchemy 40, the hq rate on black ink will be decent, so i figure that's a good goal.
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    # Oct 14 2004 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
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    I decided to skill up w/ shihei @ lvl 23 woodworking. I bought enough to make four stacks and only failed 2 synths, so lvl 23 woodworking in my experience is a good place to start.
    /sigh
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    If you are suffeciently lower then lvl 60 woodworking, you shouldnt even be trying to synth this.

    The only way you will be able to make money on this with woodworking alone is by hqing it. There are ways to increase your profit by about 50%, but thats my secret.

    If you are lvling woodworking on this, bad idea, make arrows, much cheaper and faster.

    And uh, whoever posted good luck on making money off these, i make 200k a day off shihei. All crafting is about hqing, so you shouldnt pick a cash crop to be an item that is at or above your lvl in woodworking.
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    And uh, whoever posted good luck on making money off these, i make 200k a day off shihei.


    Lets assume the following.
    1: SOME RANDOM PERSON GOES, HERE! TAKE 50 STACKS OF SHIHEI OFF ME AND SELL THEM ON AUCTION HOUSE!!!

    2: To move 50 stacks in a day (24 earth hours) you would have to sell them on Jueno AH @ 5k/stack. That is 4500 (5000 - 500) profit * 50 or 225,000.

    To get a decent HQ rate, you need to be 50 over cap. At 30 over cap your HQ multiplier is 1.25, at 40 over it is 1.5, and at 50 over it is 1.75.
    At zero over cap with no blowups you get 4 stacks of Shihei/1 stack of ingredients. At 30 over cap you get (4*1.25) 5 stacks/1 stack of ingredients.

    However, your alchemy skill is 40 over cap on black ink, so instead of getting 6 Black Ink/stack you get (6*1.5) = 9 black ink. Your big freaking SECRET is you lower cost of black ink to increase profit margin.

    Given my example of moving 50 stacks on Auction House with the cost of good sold = 0, it is not possible to make 200k/day. MAYBE if you farm every single ingredient on MONDAY. Do /sea NIN all and making them the deal of a lifetime on TUESDAY (line up buyers), and then synth and sell on deliver to people who all pre-paid gil in advance on WEDNESDAY it *COULD* happen. Opo-opo (monkeys) could also fly out of my bung hole.

    EVEN if you make 2k margin/stack sold you would need to move 100 stacks/day. You would need to be in a NIN only linkshell, have mules at every save point/home point and undercut the auction house to move that much in a day.

    YES it sells fast, yes it sells often, yes it can be profitable if you are 79 Woodworking, 55 Alchemy, but not 200k/day profitable.
    #Omitsuko, Posted: Nov 11 2004 at 8:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Triplet, I think I love you.
    RE: /sigh
    # Nov 02 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Default
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    I have made 156k in a day from shihei

    lvl 64 Woodworking, Carpenters gloves,
    Synthing assist and I only synth them on Dark
    and Ice day,

    But I had the AH of my main and 3 mules full at all times, and 2 of my buddy's mules full,

    took a total of 6 hours to make 156k

    so 200k is plausable :)

    and all my profit was blown on guild points.....
    stupid expensive GP!
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    RE: /sigh
    # Nov 08 2004 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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    156k PROFIT or REVENUE?
    156k Revenue means jack. You could spent 155k to make that 156k and only get 1k profit.

    Since you said 6 hours to make 156k I assume you farmed and synthed everything which could bring you to 156k, but I can't believe that you farmed every ingredient, synthed everything, and sold all the resultant product in six hours. To be fair, you didn't claim to farm, synth, sell everything in six hours, but IF you did, I'm in the wrong craft ;)
    RE: /sigh
    # Aug 19 2006 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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    For me a full toolbag of Shihei will cost me about 50k to make. I make 50k in profit off of these usually.

    It takes me an hour to synth of two full toolbags provided I have my black ink, and bast parchment ready. 100k profit plus my cost in an hours time is good for me.
    Make money
    # Sep 26 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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    This is how high lvl wood crafters make money. At lvl 60 if you sythed this on darks day I bet about 75% of the time you would get 99 sheshi and the other times you would gett 66. Its a great way to make gil.
    Black ink
    # Sep 03 2004 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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    Hey.. iv noticed ppl askin about cheap Black ink.. im not sure how much it goes for but NPC in Bastok mines sells it Maymunah (Bastok Mines)
    Odoba (Bastok Mines)



    If u Scroll up to the top of this page and click on Black ink it will tell where its sold

    my Wood working is 21 i am too tryin to get it to lvl 28-30 quickly.. it seems kinda expensive.. but then again.. its only get more Expenive *Sigh*

    Edited, Fri Sep 3 09:16:09 2004
    RE: Black ink
    # Sep 13 2004 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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    Lets just say makin these wasnt a money making experience, started with 2 stacks of bast, and wind, 1 stack of ink. Woodworking skill 22. Yeild: about 2 1/2 stacks of Shihei. Skill gain: .9 Cost aprox 20k. Due to working on ninja and woodworking its not bad, just paid double the price for my Shihei and gained a little skill out of it. Good luck all.
    RE: Black ink
    # Sep 05 2004 at 10:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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    dunno how this got here, i replied somewhere else lol

    Edited, Sun Sep 5 23:46:13 2004
    Hmmm
    # Aug 30 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Default
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    I did not know this was Woodworking...
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    shihei npc princing
    # Aug 20 2004 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
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    costs 221 for me at Amalasanda, the Tenshodo NPC in Lower Jeuno, inside Tenshodo HQ. Obviously you must be a Tenshodo member to get inside.
    Btw i have level 4 Norg (tenshodo?) fame.

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    NPC prices
    # Aug 18 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Default
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    Does anyone know what the items to make it cost at the NPCs? on my server its about 7-8k for a stack of black ink and about 5.5k for a stack of bast parchments at the AH. and at 5k for a stack of shihei thats hardy worth making. you should be able to save money from crafting....not lose it. /sigh
    Woodworking
    # Aug 16 2004 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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    what's the best way to raise Woddworking skill to 28
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