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# Oct 09 2006 at 10:18 PM Rating: Good
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So I have been digging forever in the Altepa desserts. I was hoping someone could tell me if there is a secrete on how to dig up this Stone. I am alchemy level 82 and I could really use it to make the awesome jug pet black mandy for my BST. Right now the stone goes for 450k a stack so obviously ppl are getting it… but how?
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# Jan 18 2007 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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There seems to be some BCNMs missing:
BCNM

Early Bird Catches the Wyrm Balga's Dais
E-vase-ive Action Chamber of Oracles
The Scarlet King Chamber of Oracles
Today's Horoscope Horlais Peak
Come Into My Parlor Qu'Bia Arena
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Copycat Waughroon Shrine
Operation Desert Swarm Waughroon Shrine
Prehistoric Pigeons Waughroon Shrine
The Hills Are Alive Waughroon Shrine

Is also a Very Rare dig in both East and West Altepa Desert

Is a possible reward from the Quest, Inside the Belly. Can also be obtained from Appraising a ??? Box.
metal!
# Aug 02 2006 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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wow i'm in a room full of Full Metal Alchemists fans,
i feel right at home :D

Full Metal Alchemist = the greatest anime EVER

Harry Potter = ***

The limited uses of the Philosopher's Stones recipes = ABSOLOUTE CRAP
(i want a metal arm of ff)
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# Jun 24 2006 at 6:19 PM Rating: Default
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jesus guys! we are looking at the "philosophers stone" not physics god ****, i would expect extreme nerdy harry potter chat not bloody physics!
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pawnt biotches
# Apr 17 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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YOU can turn lead into gold, ive done it 2x in my basement with a match and my lil brother. :D
pawnt biotches
# Jan 31 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Default
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you do know atomic formula for lead and gold.
The difference is ONE atom.
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i have to admit ... that's pretty amusing :D
ITS A GAME!!!!!! NOT SCIENCE!!!!!
# Mar 29 2006 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
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What is wrong with you ppl?! just like the post before this said its just a game! it doesnt matter if it inhumanly possible to make one in real life! I dont care if u get ure docterate in physics it wont change that it is just a game!

And wut i was gunna post until i read all this junk is: You can dig these up i ncertain places if ure digging skill is high enough. I know digging doesnt actually have a skill but theirs a certain way to see ure skill
#Lekko, Posted: Mar 03 2006 at 1:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) wtf is goin on in u ppls heads? this is a **** game... and if u have a physics degree why the **** are u wasting ur time correcting ppl in a GAME forum... do we give a ***** what electrons *** with what nucleus and give berth to god knows what atoms? *** no... all we want is info on the IN GAME item... not ur ***** science project. get a life u sad sad lil ppl
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# Mar 29 2006 at 11:55 PM Rating: Default
Definate rate up a few hundred times over
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#lordzardek, Posted: Jan 30 2006 at 2:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) my god this has been the most internesting, funny but unnecesary post i have ever read!!!!ITS A GAME if i wanted to learn more about physics (that i dont because i am in vacation) i would be in anyother website
#svegetax, Posted: Dec 02 2005 at 7:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) These postings are, pure 100% grade "A" Sh*t. You wana talk like a bunch of F'n nerds goto a science and or phyics message board. This is supposed to be an area for help as to the alt* locations as to finding the stone other then what might be listed. **** even some info as the best way to grab these without death and hassel.
#CaliRugger, Posted: Jan 02 2006 at 6:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) good call
nothing to do with XI
# Aug 15 2005 at 12:31 AM Rating: Default
Umpasarmy is kind of right but they don't 'divide' the element. Gold is just an atom wtih 79 electrons. Platinum is an element with 78. In the electron accelerator they spin an electron around a mile long circular tube and ram it into an elemental. This increases the number of its outer electrons. So they can synthize elements like this but it isnt cost effective. Normally they do it to study elements that never appear in nature. Infact nearly all of the elements listed on teh periodic table at the end never or very rare appear in nature.
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#imberto, Posted: Dec 02 2005 at 8:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) wtf it is just a game it doesn't need to make sense
RE: nothing to do with XI
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having a physics degree, i'm going to have to disagree with you here. electrons are not what makes an atom gold or platinum, it is the number of protons in the nucleus. And you can't just ram another proton into the nucleus with an accelerator... it doesn't work that way...per chance the proton actually did come into contact with the nucleus it wouldn't fuse with it and make the next higher up element, it would either bounce off the nucleus or it would split it. Also, when you change the number of natural electrons in an atom, that is what is called "ionization".

Also, for those of you who talked about removing 3 protons from lead to make gold, you can't do that either. when you split open a nucleus, it tends to split about halfway...and 3 protons isn't anywhere near halfway.

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RE: nothing to do with XI
# Dec 23 2006 at 1:48 AM Rating: Default
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Protey wrote:
having a physics degree, i'm going to have to disagree with you here. electrons are not what makes an atom gold or platinum, it is the number of protons in the nucleus. And you can't just ram another proton into the nucleus with an accelerator... it doesn't work that way...per chance the proton actually did come into contact with the nucleus it wouldn't fuse with it and make the next higher up element, it would either bounce off the nucleus or it would split it. Also, when you change the number of natural electrons in an atom, that is what is called "ionization".

Also, for those of you who talked about removing 3 protons from lead to make gold, you can't do that either. when you split open a nucleus, it tends to split about halfway...and 3 protons isn't anywhere near halfway.

Edited, Thu Oct 6 14:33:32 2005


sorry mr. physics but taking a high school chemistry class will give you that kind of knowledge. btw, smartass, go get an element 2x as big as gold and split that, then you make gold out of something. i dont care if it doesnt exist, go make it exist first.
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RE: nothing to do with XI
# May 17 2006 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
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LoL old post but uhh if you have physics degree it must have been a old school they taught that stuff in my 6th grade class o.O I remember cause she was such a hot science teacher ; ;
physics
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as to the subject of terning lead into gold...it can be done. this is possible because they have discovered that the normal elements can be divided (for lack of a better term) into other "elements." these smaller "elements" are particles that make up what the common person knows as the periodic table. if you take a college level physics class you will learn about this. and to the person that asked about how much technology would be needed to change elements..i pose you a question. ever heard of CERN? its the biggest electron accelerator in the world. that is some of what they do over there. not like any of this matters for this game lol.
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# Oct 06 2005 at 3:24 PM Rating: Default
arnt those "smaller" elements called qwerks? idk just statn.....use smal words for us learners lmao :P
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# Jul 13 2005 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, the reason lead can be turned into gold is because the only difference in them is three protons. However, because lead is a stable element (meaning it does not output any radioactivity), it would require a massive amount of energy to release three protons in order to change it into gold. Glenn Seaborg, a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, wrote reports of transmuting a small amount of lead into gold. Also, it has been reported that Soviet physicists accidentally turned the lead shielding an experimental reactor near Lake Baikal into gold.

As for turning elements into smaller elements, I am unsure that they would be called elements. To "change" an element, you would have to physically alter a certain aspect of it, be it the amount of protons or neutrons or electrons. Altering the amount of protons would change the element completely, but changing the amount of neutrons or electrons would only change the polarity. I don't think you can break down an element into a smaller element, as that would make the term "element" falsifiable. You can break them down into particles known as protons, neutrons, and electrons, and even farther down.

The amount of technology needed to turn lead into gold is quite possible today and exists. As for CERN, I hear they only deal in anti-matter, not changing elements. I could be wrong, however. If I am, please correct me. I would hate to be saying this and be wrong ^^

Edit: Spelling mistake XD

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RE: physics
# Dec 23 2006 at 1:53 AM Rating: Default
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Pontiuspete wrote:
Well, the reason lead can be turned into gold is because the only difference in them is three protons. However, because lead is a stable element (meaning it does not output any radioactivity), it would require a massive amount of energy to release three protons in order to change it into gold. Glenn Seaborg, a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, wrote reports of transmuting a small amount of lead into gold. Also, it has been reported that Soviet physicists accidentally turned the lead shielding an experimental reactor near Lake Baikal into gold.

As for turning elements into smaller elements, I am unsure that they would be called elements. To "change" an element, you would have to physically alter a certain aspect of it, be it the amount of protons or neutrons or electrons. Altering the amount of protons would change the element completely, but changing the amount of neutrons or electrons would only change the polarity. I don't think you can break down an element into a smaller element, as that would make the term "element" falsifiable. You can break them down into particles known as protons, neutrons, and electrons, and even farther down.

The amount of technology needed to turn lead into gold is quite possible today and exists. As for CERN, I hear they only deal in anti-matter, not changing elements. I could be wrong, however. If I am, please correct me. I would hate to be saying this and be wrong ^^

Edit: Spelling mistake XD

Edited, Wed Jul 13 13:12:15 2005


got your history wrong there bub, lead cant be made into gold. men have tried it for years without sucess. the reason the mith came about was because lead was the most common element back then (if you correct me and say carbon i'm gonna smack you) and was worthless. gold however was the most valuble of all metals so people wanted to turn something out of nothing..

also before the modern day periodic table and the knowledge of protons, electrons, and neutrons.

ps. i have no pysics, history, ets. degree, just a high school kid playing a game who knows his ****
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RE: physics
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finding anti-matter as far as i know has not been accomplished as of yet or the whole world would know about it. but they are in the process of finding it. it is my sincere hope that they never accomplish this feat because it could very easy be the end of the world. but finding it isnt the only thing they do over there. many things are done with electrons in that accelerator. after all it the biggest one in the world...monopolising the time using it to find something that is more than likely never to be found is kinda stupid. with all the money that gets poured into that place, they cant afford to use it for just one thing.
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# Aug 08 2005 at 11:29 AM Rating: Default
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Actually, if you haven't heard, Antimatter is made daily. Unfortunately, It will be some time before we can figure out a way to make it quickly enough for you apocolypse to happen.

Antimatter is an exciting thing, and if we mastered it then, WOW... think of what we could do.

Antimatter, when combined with regular matter, convert 100% into raw energy. If used in space crafts, 1 gram of it could take you unimaginable distances.

Unfortunately, its also the most expensive item there is... I think its currently around (100 Trillion) $100,000,000,000,000/gram.

Not to mention, I think it takes around 50 years to make that gram at our current rate.
RE: physics
# May 04 2006 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
Hey and while u BS over physics and antimatter in a ffxi forum lets talk about Angels and Demons!
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# Dec 09 2005 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL i think the real question about Lead to Gold is...
Would it be Cost effective

no sense turning Lead to Gold if your not gonna make a profit and by how you guys talk and debate about stuff i wish i knew

I would have to guess taht turning Lead into gold is not cost effective atm
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RE: physics
# Jan 25 2006 at 5:52 AM Rating: Decent
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no im pretty sure it wouldnt be cost effective.

the amount of energy needed to turn lead into gold is emense.

energy isnt free >.>
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RE: physics
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ok ive sat here for around 10 minutes tryng to thing of something to say to your comment...but i cant...all i can say is wow you put it perfectly
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OKay...so anything you can make with this is sold at a loss. People level their alchemy this high only to STILL sell things at a loss...why?

Good grief people! Don't you know profit potential when you see them? Sheesh! Who is doing this? Who is leveling up their skills this high only to continue selling things at a loss? It baffles me...
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just so you know, the reason people are leveling, is so they can profit off of the hq's of lower levels. Because this stuff doesnt sell very fast, people are just impatient and just sell it off at whatever people will pay for them.

People are still going to level a craft through a loss since they can make the profit on being over the 51+ tier of hqing
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For the record, scientists have in fact turned lead atoms into gold atoms. Of course, they were unstable and didn't last more than a few seconds.

But on a different, less serious note, I wonder if we could use a water crystal or lightning crystal to desynth these into red water?
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sells for 950k-1mil per stack on leviathan, 80k each
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# Apr 29 2005 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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What is the price of this and how rare is it to dig up one of these in altepa?
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# Feb 08 2005 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah these are needed to level alchemy and the panacea made with them is necessary for platinum nuggets that make platinum ingots if you buy alot of them which sells for 70k per stack on my server. Not good profit for people making panacea but it is good for skillups. infact its a monstrous loss, but its still less than papillion which noone buys eventhough they are cool.
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As far as I can tell, this is nearly worthless. Only one usefull thing can be crafted with it, that being panacaea. Even that doesn't look too important. Please tell me people have gotten over the desription of these two items.
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# Jul 30 2005 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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if BSTs liked the fancy black mandys or cactuar pets that seem like they are purely for showing off it could be usefull >.>
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I don't think i've ever seen such a group of worthless posts before on this site. As I am the king of useless knowledge, how about I help you all out then? Gold is a lighter element than Lead. As such by process of "controlled" nuclear fission (fission is the breaking of the atomic structure into its smaller components) it is possible to turn Lead into Gold. This technology DOES NOT exist. We can however make superheavy elements in particle accelerators for a matter of a few milliseconds. What you're suggesting is to take Lead with all of its 82 protons and umpteen neutrons and just remove a few of those and keep the atomic mass balanced. This is not possible right now. We don't have that kind of control over subatomic particles. I don't know why Yaoli seem to think that molecular sized nanites can manipulate a proton. That is sheer idiocy at its finest. A nanite would be many many times larger than an atom and consequently many times larger than a subatomic particle. That is by far one the most, scientifically speaking, stupid things I have ever read.
Originally the Philosopher's Stone was believed to be the chemical that changed base metals into silver or gold. It was first mentioned by Zosimos the Theban in the third century. It has been called the secret of life and health. The notion of its spiritual qualities expanded until in the thirteenth century a program evolved that led the alchemist through a strict devotional ritual and purification. After completing this ceremony he was thought worthy to perform his activities.
Eventually the Philosopher's Stone was thought to signify the force behind the evolution of life and the universal binding power which unites minds and souls in a human oneness. Finally, it represented the purity and sanctity of the highest realm of pure thought and altruistic existence.
Now, after all of that, I can't wait to see all the fool replies that pop up. Knock yourselves out.
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The turning of Lead into Gold is possible thought the use of a particle accelerator, which uses magnetic fields to collide particles at incredibly high speeds. Such a transformation follows the laws of conservation of mass in that extra mass is turned into energy. It's possible... but not efficient enough to be practical. That is how the man-made elements (Californium, Berklium, and the Unun elements) were discovered, though they are far too unstable to exist for more than a fraction of a second.
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you shot the who with the what? lol
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# Dec 27 2004 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
would suck if there were fakes like on the show ^^ Go Ed, find that Philosophers Stone! (but the arm is cool too, either way Ed rocks!)
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# Oct 14 2004 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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Now for an intelligent post. The philosopher's stone is extremely rare if you are a lower level. They can only be found on high-level mobs and by digging in the Altepa desert areas. I do believe that both areas will yield a philosopher's stone by digging it up with a chicken, but I am not entirely sure. It can be bought on the Auction House, but you had better be prepared to part with a lot of your hard-earned gil, because this will cost a bloody fortune. Good luck with your alchemy!

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nantechnology has nothing to do with turning lead into gold. it deals mostly with medicinal uses like using them as antibodies or as bone and tissue repair also they r about clean destruction.
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#Yolondo, Posted: Jul 21 2004 at 8:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) FMA is definately the best anime out there for me!!! i like the whole equivalent trade/brothers gettin back their bodies storyline. It even inpired me to take up alchemy in FFXI
HARRY POTTER
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is this used to summon harry potter? b/c that would be cool!
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The Philosopher's Stone is actually taken from real life accounts. It was said in roman times that Alchemists often seek for a mythical stone that could turn any metal it touches into gold...

Although the stone was used in 'Harry Potter' it wasn't SE's intentions to take it from the movie idea...

If you do a little research, you would realize that alot that SE uses is from ancient legends and tales.
eg: Shiva, Ifrit, Garuda, Fenrir, Titan, Ramuh, Leviathan, Carbuncle, and other creatures are gods/goddesses of legend
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...but yes, it would be cool...

Edited, Sat Dec 18 20:57:35 2004
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haha yea kind of silly
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#RenovanofDeath, Posted: Jun 28 2004 at 12:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does the "invaluable" stone sell at the AH?
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