Ok Byakko's haidate kirins osode and seiryus kote r all good for SAM but what about Suzaku's sune-ate? are they useful? and if anyones on asura server /tell Zarrox (thats me! :D)
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man i wish nin could use this the +15 dex would own so bad for there jins and the +5 haste would be insane for shadows and for dot man SE is so @#%^ed up..... oh wait nin can use this >.> ..... who cares if theifs cant use this expecially since looking at your signitures, your not even @#%^in thiefs, i come looking for some info and all i see is /drool or i wish thief could use this >.>
i wish ninja had a ridill type weapon thats a katana but i dont spam the god damn ridill forum jeez
this is one of the many pieces of equip i want to make my 75 mnk the ultimate powerhouse.... equips are as follows starting from weapon and working my way left to right spharai (full upgraded relic weapon), bibiki shell (asuran fists is affected by str and vit), shura kabuto or melee crown (basically going for str up), chivalrous chain, brutal earring (for mnk/war of course), bushinomimi (str +2 duh) or triumph earring works as well, kirin's osode, melee gloves (subtle blow helps exp in king ranperre's tomb against skeles b/c less tp moves used and att +16 and chakra), flame rings x2, forager's mantle, black belt, byakko's haidate, and finally melee gaiters (for added subtle blow and the counterstance effect enhanced to help overcome all the hate i'll get with all that pimp gear)
btw i have 3/5 af2 for mnk including melee hose, melee gaiters, and melee gloves
Byakko's Hidate: O id say he drops them about 2/5 or 40%~ but remember haste caps at 20% so more then that is useless. for ninja go with more "enhances dual-wield effect". I.E. Suppimoni nin af body, Brutal earring is double attack which is always good ^^b. And oh yeah, 15dex is great for Blade:Jin.
Hmmm, actually as KI had tested it (very popular thread), it capped at exactly 23.5%. Now, if you'd like to show me where some melee can equip 70% Haste, I'd like to see it. Anyways, Haste/March is calculated seperately from gear and give full benefits. i.e. you can have 23.5% Haste and have Haste and March cast on you and have everything benefit you. Wouldn't know anything about the spells or whatever you're talking about, but I'll leave you be on that point.
LoL yea it would be but think about it with all the dex gear they got for SA now another +15 Dex would prolly make it a bit too powerful XD then again im a nhoob thf so not sure if dex or agi plays the role in sa but im pretty sure dex is ^^ +15 dex on one piece of equip {Can I Have It?}
DEX effects SA, AGI effects TA. They increase damage to the same extent, it just seems like DEX does more because you're always getting the critical hit off SA but not TA. Until you get assassin, that is.
I just got these this past sunday. I'm a 75 war/nin(also have thf sub) and 75 sam/thf. I'm wondering now that I have these, would it be better for me to use all dex gear or all str?
SATA + berserk + warcry + steel cyclone would be pretty scary I'd imagine with 50+ DEX. However would it do more or less if I focused on nothing but STR? Any suggestions?
You need to go STR. Having THF as a sub isnt' effected by having +DEX. The SA will just be like a normal critical hit, so the higher your STR is against the mob's VIT, the more damage it will do. Not sure what stat Steel Cyclone is dependent on, but if it were me, I would go for some flame rings and other +STR gear. Hopefully you'll get an Osode to help out with both.
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Woooot, finally got these this past Saturday (farming triggers for points actually adds up ^^)! I had shura haidate already, and after I got these I switch the shura in for WSs. But with these pants, spike necklace, Haub (dont have Osode yet), warwolf belt, lightning bow+1, SAM AF2 boots, and a sole sushi for 6dex & 5str, I have +42 DEX. You definately notice your criticals shoot up with these pants. I use flame rings atm, but I'm tempted to buy Thunder Rings now to compliment this setup even more!
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these own...im next on lotting im a 75SAM and these are gunna kick ass i have shura haidate atm...ill use these for basic hitting for crits and haste then macro shura for WS
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I want this for when my NIN gets up in levels :D (currently 16 -.-;)
Haste+5% {Yes, please!}
I've seen a level 75 NIN on my server with Speed belt, Kraken club, Byakko's Haidate, Fuma Sune-ate, and some other stuff when facing Simurgh. it was awesome!! I think s / he also had a Scp. Harness+1, and 2 Sniper's+1's.
This is sooooo not fair. This would be like the ultimate THF pants if we were allowed ro wear it. I mean +15 DEX is like a lvl 90 SATA. And a THF with Haste? OOOOOOOOOOO I just love it when my WHM casts it on me while im Dual Wieldin. So sweet!
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Our LS did a sky raid tonight, did Suzaku, then Seiryu and finally Byakko (no Genbu :( ) and I was only one lotting for this. We got Byakko down to where he had like under 10% HP and he did a back-to-back triple attack on our toughest Pld who has multiple koeing and crimson and took him out immediately, then killed the 2nd Pld just as fast with a triple attack then cyclone claws. He began running around going on a Guivre style massacre and I was sure we were gonna wipe so I started kicking the dead and inviting anybody and everyone was firing off 2 hours. The Ranger who d/c came back, I invited him and he came in and fired off Eagle Eye Shot to finish him off. I saw "You find a Byakko's Haidate on Byakko" and I was like :O!!!!
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Byakko seems to be the God for WARs lol. Type in Byakko's to the item search youll see these and byakkos axe, 94 dmg,atk+5,beast killer and i think wind damage(unsure) IMO thats up there with Bravura for extremely bloodthirsty wars like myself =3
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I would like to see a /thf use this and the seiryus kote...
Wouldn't make much difference, SAnTA is nerfed when you sub THF. a WAR/THF doesn't get the DEX and AGI damage bonus, SA is just a crit and TA onky transfers hate.
Edited, Wed Mar 16 18:59:11 2005
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shura pant is better for mnk. but this have 5percent haste.
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*Sniffle* It's so beautiful! The kind of crap that high level MNKS get is terrifying. If I was a monster, I'd shyt my pants if I had to fight a lvl 75 MNK, regardless of what monster i was. These pants have inspired me to keep trucking on with monk.
If given the proper ACC equipment peripheral to the Shura Haidate, then why would you not simply macro the Shura in @ WS, and take full advantage of the unspeakable sexiness of DEX +1? +2? +7? No, +15, and the haste+5% (that people are paying the Gil Selling HNM JP LSs as much as 25 mil for**) as you melee your way to 100+ TP?
Not to mention, ACC +7 will not raise your critical hit rate.
And DEX+15 = 7.5 melee ACC.
**I understand the belt gives +6%, but (everyone) knows non-JPs would still be suckers and pay whatever the JPs ask for it, even if it were Haste +1, 2, 23, 70, or +5%.
Myself and another 75 MNK in my LS have been discussing Byakko's Haidate vs. Shura Haidate. Being Elvaan, I thought that I could benefit more from Byakko's while he on the other hand, being Hume, can benefit more from Shura. I'd sure love to crit more at my level and that 5% haste would make me have Haste+13% total (with Brown Belt). As for him, he'd match my higer base STR by wearing Shura Haidate. We both agreed to not lot against each other on these items when our LS fights Byakko ^^. After we get these for ourselves, we're gonna PT up in KRT to demolish some skellies.
although i'm not a MNK i'm looking at the two and can't see why the shura haidate are better.
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well i've read a ton of posts as well as interviews from SE and wat i've determined is that adding 2 to dex will give approx. 1 acc.....however this does not go the other way around....adding 1 acc will not give u 2 dex.. dex is responsible for more than just acc so adding to acc alone would not improve dex.....thats pretty much wat i got from it
I think the stats are halfsies. By that I mean that all stats have seem to have two major properties that split it into halves. I'm not counting little hidden stats, like CHRs ability to effect certain WSs (which it does) or anything like that.
DEX would be .5 Acc and .5 Critical Rate. Your definitely right about Acc not turning into DEX, thanks for clearing up something that might have confused many people ^^
Remember, I said "I think." :P
Edited, Sun Oct 31 01:15:32 2004
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So, would the same thing go with let's say, STR and Attack? VIT and Defense? AGI and Evasion? Am I close or is it only Accuracy and DEX that works this way?
Accuracy is a stat on its own, all it does is make you more accurate. However, 2 dex equals 1 accuracy. Dex serves two purposes, increases critical hit rate (melee) as well as adding up to melee accuracy (Every 2 dex equals 1 accuracy). However if you bought a piece of gear that had 10 accuracy, this wouldn't increase your critical hit factor as it's only accuracy, it isn't Dex.
Actually, although it sounds sort of twisted, that's correct. Dexterity is a stat with more than one "effect" on your performance. One effect is that it increases your accuracy, at an approximate rate of one acc for every two dex. (2dex=1acc). Another is that it increases the frequency with which you critical when fighting a mob (at a rate unknown to anybody but the developers).
A direct increase in accuracy effects accuracy only. A direct increase in dexterity would increase your accuracy (by the 2:1 ratio) and also your critical hit rate.
When people say 1acc = 2 dex, they're not being entirely accurate - it's true that 1acc = (the accuracy derived from 2dex). But increasing acc directly does not increase your hit rate.
It's just something else to think about when trading off dex and acc - increasing dex by a certain amount has half the accuracy-increase as a direct accuracy addition would... but also increases the crit rate ^^
Okay, this is getting out of hand. What these people are saying is that if you equip something with 2 DEX, you will also recieve 1 acc. However, if you equip something with 1 acc, you will not recieve 2 dex.
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Hate to tell you, but yes 1 Accuracy = 2 DEX. Also 1 Attack = 2 STR, 1 defense = 2 VIT. That's the way it goes since Accuracy is only PART of DEXs purpose, same goes for the rest.
DEX is also for Critical Hits rate, so more DEX = more criticals while more accuracy is just for hitting more.
Don't believe me? Go to this link educate yourself just as I did when I first discovered this a few months ago.
There you go, enjoy and don't forget to teach others the way things really are ^^
And for Pete's sake DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING! (Talking to the poster below who probably got some people to spread bad information)
Edited, Fri Oct 22 04:41:04 2004
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im sorry to tell u but ur the one spreading bad iformation. 1 acc DOES NOT =2 dex because acc does nothing to raise ur critical hit precentage. 2 Dex however does = 1 acc but Dex also raises ur critical affect rate. So in saying 1 Acc= 2 Dex is false info. saying 2 Dex= 1 acc plus a up (i dont not exactly know how much) to ur critical hit precentage would be correct. That is all.
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Posted:Sep 06 2005 at 7:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ur a ****ing idiot, 1 acc= 2 dex is the same thing as 2 dex= 1 acc, im sry, u are the dumest link, **** off
Incase you haven't noticed a whole bunch of NPCs (ie everyone in the blacksmith guild bastok) wear these pants or at least something very similar now if only you could wear those white sleeveless hood tops.
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Does everyone who kills byakko get to pick a piece of byakko armor, or does he drop a random piece to be lotted on by all? Also, I thought that this was an uncursed piece of armor, and an abjuration needed to be applied to get this...