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Sign it
# Mar 02 2007 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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You can't really "synth" it out of random materials. You can only sign it.

1. Get the ring (Either Pollux or Castor)
2. Use 1 Wind Crystal on it to get rid of the Rare/Ex
3. Use 1 Cyclone Crystal on it to sign it


So that people dont have to scroll down through a bunch of idiocy

The rings are commonly signed and used by couples because they are fairly unique.
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# Sep 06 2006 at 2:33 AM Rating: Default
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I traded this to Elmo and he gave me an ounce of weed...It was a good trade ;D
having both rings...
# Feb 18 2006 at 9:06 PM Rating: Default
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hmm...i wonder what would happen if u equipped both the castor ring and pollux ring at the same time. o and Castor and Pollux Troy r in a movie called Faceoff w/ Nicolas Cage and John Travolta. Castor and Pollux are brothers in crime in this movie. Btw it's a really good movie every1 should c it. I think it's funny also that Troy is another thing related to ancient Greece.
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# Jan 25 2006 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
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Who would want a rare/ex ring that does nothing??? who would waste their time other than getting fame
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I'd do this quest just for the sake of having it in my Completed List. ^^
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Shoplifting
# Jan 05 2006 at 3:44 AM Rating: Default
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Marriage is punishment for shoplifting in some countries...
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Shoplifting
# Jan 12 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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"Ohhhh, you're learning Casandra's language...are you gonna marry her?!"

Good old Wayne's World XD
Mythology
# Sep 29 2005 at 7:24 PM Rating: Default
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"Castor was famous for taming and managing horses, and Pollux for
skill in boxing. They were united by the warmest affection, and
inseparable in all their enterprises. They accompanied the
Argonautic expedition. During the voyage a storm arose, and
Orpheus prayed to the Samothracian gods, and played on his harp,
whereupon the storm ceased and stars appeared on the heads of the
brothers. From this incident, Castor and Pollux came afterwards
to be considered the patron deities of seamen and voyagers."

Any Beastmasters or Monks try these rings? I read this on some Greek mythology site and thought it interesting. Probably are just "gift" rings but ya never know.
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Hmmm.
# Aug 07 2005 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, i got castors ring for my quest, how do you get pollux? is there any way to get both w/o tradin between other players?
RE: Hmmm.
# Nov 03 2005 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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You can only get a Pollux ring if your Female.
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# Jul 23 2005 at 5:55 PM Rating: Default
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The Castor's ring is not a wedding ring so why the **** are people asking about weddings in here?
look
# Jul 03 2005 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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im gonna clear this up now and tell you all what this ring is for. NOTHING. if you paid attention to the cutscene u would know this is just a gift for someone else or a wedding ring. or if u want go tell a noob it gives the wearer +10 to TH. maybe he'll buy it for a mil who knows
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RE: look
# Jul 24 2005 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
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Idiot, you can't trade a Rare/Ex item. *sigh* stupid.
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RE: look
# Sep 30 2010 at 6:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Stupid ******* mong. Maybe you should read before you open your mouth and the tsunami of stupidity comes flowing out.
RE: look
# Aug 04 2005 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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You know, some people sometimes speak without knowing. YES it can be traded, I have one that my fiancee gave me as an engagement ring. So YES it can be traded. Rare/Ex? Yeah, try using a Cyclone crystal on it... it might give u a surprise when you see the Rare/Ex gone and your name signed on it. Funny eh? I am in Asura, if u ever wanna see it.

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Also, you might want to read the forums before insulting someone about something that you can read a little lower if u kept reading. Might make you look less of a fool u know...

Edited, Thu Aug 4 19:32:54 2005
RE: look
# Sep 25 2005 at 10:19 PM Rating: Default
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Perhaps you believe being wrong and insulting makes someone look like a fool. I personally, believe attempting to stand up for someone while using "u" rather than typing those two simple letters y and o, make you look like an unintelligent fool.
RE: look
# Oct 12 2005 at 6:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gotta love how people who know everything know nothing about manners.

I remember when the truly knowlegeable tried to correct the ignorant in a polite, even courteous ways (think of a good school teacher as an example). Now we feel so superior to other players that we go out of our way to be rude to them. Some kind of need to prove to the world that we are smart because we called someone a name or threw out a poorly masked insult along with a correction.

Kind of sad frankly.

Especially over something as stupid as this ring.

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hiddeneffect..
# Jun 29 2005 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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i heard thet this ring reduces fenrir's perpetuation cost to two mp per tick


any verification on this ?

>< sry cant test, no fenrir


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recipe
# Jun 18 2005 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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if you can synth it whats the recipe?
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RE: recipe
# Jul 08 2005 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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You can't really "synth" it out of random materials. You can only sign it.

1. Get the ring (Either Pollux or Castor)
2. Use 1 Wind Crystal on it to get rid of the Rare/Ex
3. Use 1 Cyclone Crystal on it to sign it
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RE: recipe
# Feb 18 2006 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
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wow...are there any other items that u can get rid of the rare/ex?...that's really interesting
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RE: recipe
# Jun 25 2005 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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so basicaly this ring does nothing at all then??
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+1
# Jun 15 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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It doesn't sell on AH, and you can't make a +1. You also can't send through Delivery Box. It can only be traded or put in bazaar.
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Huh!?
# Jun 10 2005 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Ever got the idea of making a castor's ring +1 :p

P.S
Does it sell on the AH XD

Edited, Fri Jun 10 07:27:07 2005
Screenshots
# Jun 07 2005 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm... no hidden effects that I know of. I've been asked it all the time, and now I just tell people it gives Happiness +20 and all stats +15 when the person who signed it is in your party... just for the sake of bullsh*tting them. lol But yeah, no hidden effects (that I know of). I wear it all the time, and my stats stay the same. But I am very curious as to why it's even in the game and what purpose it serves. Maybe it's just meant for a gift, kinda like a wedding ring (which is what most people use it for).

I did the quest on my mule, got both the Castor's Ring and the Pollux Ring, took off the Rare/Ex, signed them with Cyclone Crystals, and gave them to a friend. So it's basically like a wedding ring or friendship ring whatever.

Here are some screens if anyone is interested in seeing (and proof that it can be signed):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/alecxander79/Kyera/CastorsRing_01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/alecxander79/Kyera/CastorsRing_02.jpg
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hidden effect?
# May 30 2005 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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is there a hidden effect? that's all i want to know
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at the same time
# May 22 2005 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
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since you can remove the rare/ex status of the ring, has anyone tried wearing them both at the same time?

I think i'm gonna try this tomorrow. I'll post my results when I find out ^^
interesting....
# May 12 2005 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
castor and pullox rings huh? wonder what it means.... now I'm definately starting to beleive theres some significance to this.... there was castor and pullox troy and now in the kingdom of san doria we again see to brothers bickering with each other. certainly this must in some way, shape or form play some greater significance... and by a way, I noticed a post earlyer that said something about someon wandering around with their name on their ring.... thats easy... you have to be part of that particular craft guild that allows you to craft the ring and then once your high enough level your allowed to buy special crystals which when used allow you to inscribe your name on anything you craft under that guild.
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RE-synth
# May 06 2005 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
just wondering, to anyone who has messed with the ring enough to know.. I synthed the ring with a wind crystal just last night, and it did indeed take off the rare/ex status of the item. I was just wondering, will I be able to synth the NEW castor's ring with a cyclone crystal and sign it, or am I S.O.L.?
Reason for the Rings?
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I've had the Fit for a Prince quest open for 3 months lol..finding a taru chick with green hair parted in the middle blah blah blah isnt easy in sandy, and i havent cancelled and reopened quest.

Anyways, my point was that someone told me that having the wedding ring and actually getting game married does give an extra stat. When you party with your game hubby and you have rings on you get XP bonus...as I havent done quest I cant test this....so someone try it and post it here.
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# Apr 11 2005 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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i see these all the time, but no one know what the heck theyre for, lol. there has to be a point. why all that for just a 'worthless' item? i dunno.. maybe there's a reasoning too complex for my simple kitty mind :<
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synth
# Apr 02 2005 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Synth with a wind cystal to remove re/ex the on it but it seems suckey though><

Edited, Sat Apr 2 21:31:45 2005
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# Feb 16 2005 at 4:47 AM Rating: Default
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I asked one of my high level friends, and he suggested that it could have some sort of hidden stats. I have no idea how probable this is, but it IS a possiblity...
Just a thought ~_^
Value?
# Jan 19 2005 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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I got this item from the quest... I had started to think that there was no Mithra with red hair tied back by a brown band, but found one eventually, when i wasn't looking :-)
Synthed it with the wind crystal and is no longer Rare/ex.
Since i let my wife choose my character for me i am a blonde pigtailed taru female, and as such i have no interest in marrying another bloke!
I figured i'd have a go at selling it. AH won't accept it, even without rare/ex status :( and i have never seena anyone selling it before. any suggestions on value? i have it at 500k at the moment, probably optimistically. Are there any other rings which can also be used for weddings?

help appreciated, many thanks ^^


Edit - Why could i not reply to these posts? I could only start my own new topic /cry

Edited, Wed Jan 19 05:56:29 2005
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Replying to posts
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To reply to a post, you have to click on the image that's next to the thread title.

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RE: Replying to posts
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ahhhhhhh, ic^^

thanks

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# Jan 12 2005 at 8:32 PM Rating: Default
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Sorry about that triple post >< it somehow magically happened Oo SpOOkY!!
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#Limitlessaeon, Posted: Jan 12 2005 at 8:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You all really need to THINK for just a few minutes to find a good reason (benefit) to getting married. The best one in my opinion is that you guys can buy each other things you need or at least share the cost of a certain item. Go to the forums for various items on this website and you will always see people saying that they want to buy this item for their husband/wife, am I not correct? ITEMS AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SOMETIMES WORTH A MILLION GIL! Is anyone following me?! So please correct me if I am wrong in this "benefit" i'm pretty sure its a good one <(^.^<)(>^.^)>
Marriage Uses...
# Jan 12 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Default
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You all really need to THINK for just a few minutes to find a good reason (benefit) to getting married. The best one in my opinion is that you guys can buy each other things you need or at least share the cost of a certain item. Go to the forums for various items on this website and you will always see people saying that they want to buy this item for their husband/wife, am I not correct? ITEMS AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SOMETIMES WORTH A MILLION GIL! Is anyone following me?! So please correct me if I am wrong in this "benefit" i'm pretty sure its a good one <(^.^<)(>^.^)>
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Marriage Uses...
# Jan 12 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Default
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You all really need to THINK for just a few minutes to find a good reason (benefit) to getting married. The best one in my opinion is that you guys can buy each other things you need or at least share the cost of a certain item. Go to the forums for various items on this website and you will always see people saying that they want to buy this item for their husband/wife, am I not correct? ITEMS AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SOMETIMES WORTH A MILLION GIL! Is anyone following me?! So please correct me if I am wrong in this "benefit" i'm pretty sure its a good one <(^.^<)(>^.^)>
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# Jan 12 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Default
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You all really need to THINK for just a few minutes to find a good reason (benefit) to getting married. The best one in my opinion is that you guys can buy each other things you need or at least share the cost of a certain item. Go to the forums for various items on this website and you will always see people saying that they want to buy this item for their husband/wife, am I not correct? ITEMS AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SOMETIMES WORTH A MILLION GIL! Is anyone following me?! So please correct me if I am wrong in this "benefit" i'm pretty sure its a good one <(^.^<)(>^.^)>
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Marriage Uses...
# Jan 12 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Default
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You all really need to THINK for just a few minutes to find a good reason (benefit) to getting married. The best one in my opinion is that you guys can buy each other things you need or at least share the cost of a certain item. Go to the forums for various items on this website and you will always see people saying that they want to buy this item for their husband/wife, am I not correct? ITEMS AND EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SOMETIMES WORTH A MILLION GIL! Is anyone following me?! So please correct me if I am wrong in this "benefit" i'm pretty sure its a good one <(^.^<)(>^.^)>
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#Basillis, Posted: Nov 23 2004 at 9:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Any suggestions on how to make money fast. Lol i sound like a noob but im intrested to see how other people make money. *Im very Poor* ^^
Mithra Madness
# Nov 16 2004 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Granted getting married in the game is a fun thing to do only it sucks when your g/f has to marry your best friend b/c your a mithra. These are the days I curse choosing a mithra as my main. I even created a mule for her to marry, but she wont marry him since she cant hang out with him... Bah... Oh well. I guess I'll grit my teeth and bear it.
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RE: Mithra Madness
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So, she 'hangs out' with your best friend instead? How is that different from marrying your mule and hanging out with your Mithra? Sounds like your g/f may be a cyber-****...
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RE: Mithra Madness
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Aw that's just wrong XD
help @_@
# Nov 01 2004 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
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erm i've sorta got a situation...I used to be engaged (in game) to this one guy, and well, to say the least, it didn't work out. Well, I got so mad at him i kinda...threw out my wedding ring >< it reminded me of him, and i needed room in my mog house. Sooo now i'm engaged again (*huggles Silegna*). Do i HAVE to have a wedding ring? If so...can i get another one, somehow?
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# Nov 01 2004 at 3:54 PM Rating: Default
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erm i've sorta got a situation...I used to be engaged (in game) to this one guy, and well, to say the least, it didn't work out. Well, I got so mad at him i kinda...threw out my wedding ring >< it reminded me of him, and i needed room in my mog house. Sooo now i'm engaged again (*huggles Silegna*). Do i HAVE to have a wedding ring? If so...can i get another one, somehow?
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# Nov 01 2004 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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erm i've sorta got a situation...I used to be engaged (in game) to this one guy, and well, to say the least, it didn't work out. Well, I got so mad at him i kinda...threw out my wedding ring >< it reminded me of him, and i needed room in my mog house. Sooo now i'm engaged again (*huggles Silegna*). Do i HAVE to have a wedding ring? If so...can i get another one, somehow?
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# Nov 01 2004 at 3:52 PM Rating: Default
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erm i've sorta got a situation...I used to be engaged (in game) to this one guy, and well, to say the least, it didn't work out. Well, I got so mad at him i kinda...threw out my wedding ring >< it reminded me of him, and i needed room in my mog house. Sooo now i'm engaged again (*huggles Silegna*). Do i HAVE to have a wedding ring? If so...can i get another one, somehow?
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Clearing up
# Oct 27 2004 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wind Crystal + Castor's ring = remove rare/ex
Typhoon (or was it cyclone? I think it's cyclone) crystal + Castor's ring = remove rare/ex AND add your name to it.

Cyclone crystal and all other "HQ" crystals that are used to perform a synth and sign a signable item at the same time are all EX (not rare) and only attainable from guilds.

You must contract with a guild (all guilds except fishing have all types of "HQ" crystals). In order to contract with a guild you must be at least skill 30 and have passed the third guild test.

For this particular item, you can have skill 0 in ALL crafts and use a wind crystal to remove Rare/EX status.

You can be a clothcrafter, and get a cyclone crystal and add your signature and remove rare/ex. You do not need a particular craft skill leveled up.
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useless?
# Oct 24 2004 at 9:26 PM Rating: Default
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ok so this stupid ring is virtually useless?
wtf?
# Oct 24 2004 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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i'd like to know how the **** i saw someone wearing a signed Castor's Ring....
I still cannot bring myself to dump this ring
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I still cannot bring myself to dump this ring .. as much trouble as it was to get.. there HAS to be a use for it later on LOL>. i mean. .there just has to!!
skill cap
# Oct 02 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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what skill is required to remove the ex/rare status? I don't want to waste a special crystal, or worse, a ring
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RE: skill cap
# Oct 22 2004 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
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Just use the ring in a regular wind crystal. Should be 100% success, it's not a crafting check.
Prince's taste?
# Sep 23 2004 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Prince dumped me twice. Must not have good taste




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it's cool though, too walk around w/ castor & pullox rings
#Cavill, Posted: Sep 16 2004 at 1:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ROFL!! What a ****** ring!! HAHAHA!
RE: ROFL
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hmm, i dont think we should use our brains on this sherlock... theres no possible way this could become something else!
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# Sep 02 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Do you need a particular lvl in any craft to undo the "ex" by synthesising this with a wind crystal or is it a guarenteed synthesis at any lvl. I'd hate to synth it and lose it in the process.
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# Aug 31 2004 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default
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I do believe that this is so far the lamest quest item in the game.


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Castors Ring
# Jul 19 2004 at 11:43 PM Rating: Default
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hey what do i do with this ring? what good is it? doesnt it do someting special or have a related quest? ...and yes i read most of teh previous posts but wht good is this thing in gerneral?

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My exp and Use other than marriage system
# Jul 08 2004 at 12:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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First, there's no time restriction coz i got the quest at least 2 weeks ago (earth time) before I started to find a candidate.

My exp yesterday, on Ifrit server:

I shouted a few times without any response. After I gave that up and was running aroud Sandy for other quests, it occured to me that there're few girls in ffxi. So I started to observe every character I passed by. The most probably, you can see a female mithra or taru, but not hume. And a hume girl was who I was looking for.
Suddenly, in front of S. Sandy AH, I sighted a hume girl, but not with blonde hair. Then I saw another with blonde hair and as I took a closer look, she's the perfect candidate!
So i used the chat function to ask for a favor. After some time, she replied: I can't understand English.
I'm not giving up, so I use very short and simple English, and stressed that it's close and safe: N. Sandy (I used translation, of course). At last, I said: 1 min, ok?
After some thoughts, she said ok and put the flag on.
Thus, we formed a party and went to Cheateau for Halver, with an interesting cutscene.
And after all, i obtained Castor's ring. I did not know she also got a ring at that time. And the cutscene looked insulting to her, making me a bit embarrassed. But I supposed she's japanese (as she can't speak Eng) and so wouldn't request a reward. I just gave her a bow and thanked her, she gave me a smile and left. THANK YOU, Miuu. ^^

Suggestion:

So, I have to say I was very lucky, for having found the perfect candidate just a few miles away from cheateau (North to S. Sandy AH is N. Sandy and Cheateau), and she's a japanese who is willing to help a stranger. I recommend you all to wait for the perfect candidate there. And if you've read this, remember to tell the candidates she'll get a ring (no matter you shout or tell). This should make the search easier.

Use of this quest:
1. Obviously, you got a ring. It's Rare/Ex. But you can remove Ex using wind crystals. And with cyclone crystals, you can add your name to it. I heard that it's for the marriage system, but I don't know the details.
2. I believe it'd be a requisite quest for some other quests. If you still remember the cut-scene, there's a NPC, Temple Knight Captain, Curilla. It seems that she and Prince Trion have some love affairs. I bet either the prince or Curilla (or the other prince Prejue, the king, Halver, queen, or else) would ask for help later.

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#KarshSilvermoon, Posted: Aug 12 2004 at 5:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You cannot remove EX with a Wind Crystal. Don't waste your time.
RE: My exp and Use other than marriage system
# Aug 09 2004 at 8:13 PM Rating: Default
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erm...whats a cyclone crystal? >.>

Actually i have a shred idea...how do u get one?

Edited, Mon Aug 9 21:15:03 2004
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RE: My exp and Use other than marriage system
# Aug 19 2004 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Cyclone, as well as other special crystals can be bought with guild points (after passing 3rd test in a craft).

Not sure if there are any other ways to get these.
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RE: My exp and Use other than marriage system
# Jul 13 2004 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Does a wind crystal only get rid of rare and ex on this ring? Can I use a wind crystal to get rid of rare or ex on some other item?
It is Rare/Ex... but....
# Jun 16 2004 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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The picture shows the truth - the ring /is/ indeed Rare/Ex, but a friend of mine told me that if you synth it using a regular wind crystal, you change its designation to "Rare" only.

I have done this and confirmed that this is the case. However, you /can/ etch your name on the ring using a high level wind crystal known as a Cyclone Crystal. It's just like the regular wind crystals, but you can use it to craft something with your name on it. Thing is... you only get these as high level crafters in the guilds.


Perhaps... these are the engagement rings? We were able to switch rings with each other, and we have also attempted to wear both rings at the same time, to see if there were a latent effect, but nothing happened.

Edited, Wed Jun 16 11:39:44 2004
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not RARE/EX
# Jun 16 2004 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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i saw a guy bazaaring this ring the other day ...
and it was NOT rare/ex ,, I will send a pic ...
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#caudexs, Posted: Jun 12 2004 at 9:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lets answer some questions:
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