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Level 30 Subjob Items
# Aug 08 2006 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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Level 30 Subjob Items

There are level 30 Earrings, Shields, Belts and Mantles that all trigger on Latent Effects. These all correspond with a job.
All of them activate via Subjob. Nothing else will trigger these to activate, NOT main job, ONLY subjob.
The newest jobs (Blu, Cor, Pup) do not have these items (as of 7/27/06).
Subjob: Bard        - Singer's    (Earring, Mantle, Shield, Song Belt) 
Subjob: Beastmaster - Trimmer's   (Earring, Mantle,  Aspis, Pick Belt) 
Subjob: Black Mage  - Wizard's    (Earring, Mantle, Shield, Staff Belt) 
Subjob: Dark Knight - Killer      (Earring, Mantle,  Targe, Scythe Belt) 
Subjob: Dragoon     - Wyvern      (Earring, Mantle,  Targe, Lance Belt) 
Subjob: Monk        - Wrestler's  (Earring, Mantle,  Aspis, Cestus Belt) 
Subjob: Ninja       - Genin       (Earring, Mantle,  Aspis, Sarashi) 
Subjob: Paladin     - Esquire's   (Earring, Mantle,  Targe, Shield Belt) 
Subjob: Ranger      - Beater's    (Earring, Mantle,  Aspis, Gun Belt) 
Subjob: Red Mage    - Warlock's   (Earring, Mantle, Shield, Rapier Belt) 
Subjob: Samurai     - Ashigaru    (Earring, Mantle,  Targe, Katana Obi) 
Subjob: Summoner    - Magician's  (Earring, Mantle, Shield, Avatar Belt) 
Subjob: Thief       - Pilferer's  (Earring, Mantle,  Aspis, Dagger Belt) 
Subjob: Warrior     - Mercenary's (Earring, Mantle,  Targe, Axe Belt) 
Subjob: White Mage  - Healer's    (Earring, Mantle, Shield, Mace Belt)

There are other Latent effect items that trigger at different things such as Low HP, <100% tp, a bard song on you, This is NOT one of those items.
The only thing that activates these items is your subjob.
MP Free Carbuncle
# Jun 05 2006 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
I have found a great use for this. As a whm level 64 it can get pretty boring sometimes in partys. Slapping cures is nice but as all whms know theres always that part of you that wants to do some sort of damage. (even if it is very little) So anyways instead of fighting and losing focus on your party you could have carby do it for you. Too much mp? Just combine a Light Staff and a Avatar Belt and it makes Carbuncle free! Its not much, but it feels a rewarding to have your lil squirrel out there wacking the mob around. This combo of gear for me also makes other avatars cost 3 mp. With RDM refreshing you or bard or if you got some nice gear such as vermillion cloak, they can be 0 mp too. Just consider what you have in the party and what avatar you want to use. Its not much to have the lil damage and yes it might seem stupid, but hey the whms need to have fun too!
Price
# Mar 22 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
This goes for 300k on Odin - its a piece of **** if its only on sub noboby casts avatar on their sub.

Edited, Sat May 6 10:12:55 2006
Free Avatars for farming.
# Oct 18 2005 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
Cross Posted from a discussion on the SMN forum

I view free avatars from /SMN more as a tool for farming. Carby would hit for 0 w/ ~5-10% acc if I tried to use him in combat. Not worth the time nor effort.

I got to thinking a bit more about this, I think (key word) it's possible to have free avatars (all of them) at 51 with /SMN. NQ/HQ Staff (-2/-3), Avatar Belt (-2), Auto-Refresh (-1). This would give -5 w/ NQ staves and -6 of HQ staves.

At 51 w/ NQ, this would give you...
- Free Carby w/ Auto-Refresh (lose Auto-Refresh @72)
- Free Fenrir w/ Auto-Refresh (lose Auto-Refresh @60)
- Free Avatars till 56

At 51 w/ HQ, this would give you...
- Free Carby w/ Auto-Refresh
- Free Fenrir w/ Auto-Refresh (lose Auto-Refresh @74)
- Free Avatars w/ Auto-Refresh (lost Auto-Refresh @56)

How would you like to farm with Free Avatars? :)
Free Avatars for farming.
# Jan 30 2007 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
OK I tried and it went something like this:NQ staff and Avatar Belt

@51 Whm/Smn with no Avatar Belt but NQ staff Carbuncle is free
@51 Whm/Smn with coresponding elemental Staff and Belt all Avatars are free

Elementals are not free, just avatars
Summoner must be @25 for this to work



Edited, Jan 30th 2007 2:50pm by leliahou

Edited, Jan 30th 2007 2:51pm by leliahou

Edited, Jan 30th 2007 2:58pm by leliahou
$£$£$£$£$£$
# Oct 10 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
this thing goes for around 1.5k in jueno on remora.

O,O
>,<
# Aug 06 2005 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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The Avatar belt on Titan server is at 700k so i have no choice but to go BCNM.
man
# Jun 05 2005 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
I want one of these sooo bad for my RDM/SMN but at the moment 400-500k on the Quetzelcotl Server. I'm gonna have to hunt an NM for the gil or get lucky on the BCNM 30, cuz I really WANT this belt really bad.
Um...
# Mar 01 2005 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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A small point, but as this is latent as everyone has stated, the whole 'Aerial Armour' thing seems a bit redundant... ie. to gain access to Aerial Armour (level ~25 Summoner) you need to have a level 50 main job... after casting Aerial Armour (which costs around ~93 MP) are you actually going to leave Garuda out? It won't lessen the cost of the move (fairly expensive MP wise) only the cost of having Garuda out, which if you have a level 25 Summoner subjob will have auto-refresh and thus the cost of having a level 25 Avatar out is about 5MP ? So the saving, if you say casting Aerial Armour takes 10 seconds earth time, is about 6 MP total for the belt... I don't think I could justify paying 1,000,000 gil for that! :)

Syldis
RE: Um...
# Sep 30 2005 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
I wouldn't justify paying it either... but if I won it in a bcnm, I'd do blm/smn for kicks... once I get to 51 blm, I would be 51blm/25smn and yes, my avatar might cost 5 or 6 mp per tic as a lvl 25 smn... HOWEVER, I can equip elemental staves, plus the belt and have a free, or 1 mp per tic avatar... 2 mp per tic if mp pertuation is higher than estimated and/or HQ staves are not available in the equation. When farming too weak's that are still T or VT to your 25 sub, the extremely cheap avatar can help you beat mobs to death a lil bit better than a blm/whm can solo the mob.
avatar belt
# Jan 27 2005 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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hmm... i wonder if a SMN can solo this BCNM. maybe 2 SMN's ? hehe be something kind of fun to try.^^
avatar belt
# Jan 27 2005 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Thu Jan 27 12:29:59 2005
Disappointed
# Jan 07 2005 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
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I find this belt to be a complete waste of time/ energy besides making gil if it doesn't effect the SMN directly. When I ever sub SMN i never use them, its there for MP and stat support not to call avatars. I really wanted this item until i found out it only works if subbed, what a waste.
RE: Disappointed
# Jan 09 2005 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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You never cast Aerial Armor, or other supporting effects? You don't have to wear it all the time, just when casting avatars. If you only use half of the subjob abilities, that's your choice. With an elemental staff and this belt, I can hold out any avatar for free for extra melee damage, and use my MP for spells.

What's wasteful about that?
RE: Disappointed
# Sep 15 2005 at 3:15 AM Rating: Decent
You're talking about a 1/2 levelled avatar picking at a mob. SMN mains are highly discouraged from leaving their avatars out to melee due to the low damage. At 1/2 level, the avatar would be plucking 1's and 2's in the damage department and giving the mob a nice TP boost.

Useful for farming maybe...THF/SMN?

Seriously, you'll be pulling out an avatar for a buff and releasing it...if you use them at all. 10 seconds to have it summoned, access your selected pact, wait for it to go off, and release said avatar sounds very reasonable. Let's say 15 seconds for the slow pokes. That's roughly 5 tics. You save all of 10 mp with this belt.
SMN Main?
# Oct 26 2004 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm, interesting.. I dont suppose this just activates when you have a SMN main does it? or is it ONLY for smn sub?
RE: SMN Main?
# Nov 12 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Only SMN sub. This is kindof good, yet bad....it's bad because it means SMN don't get a -perp cost, but good because if they did, this belt would probably be 1mil+. (See Penance Robe.)
Is it really worth that much ??
# Jul 14 2004 at 5:11 PM Rating: Default
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Not too sure why this one is so expensive since it need a SMN sub.. and by SMN sub, that means ur carby will be half of what ur main job is. For example, Whm60/Smn30, even with light staff/apollo staff, I am not sure how can carby fight a mob that con EP to whm60 or even worthless to whm60. I used carby to fight lich that con EP when helping friend to get the genkei item, carby hit 9 damage and miss most of the time, lich hit carby 130 damage and one shot death.. even if u can keep the carby out for free, it's one hit death... So not really sure what's the whole benifit of having smn sub when letent effect kick in.. Maybe some ppl will say u can have it out at dangerous zone so if u aggro, carby can take a hit?

But this item is getting from 100k to 500k I think on Fairy server :(
I could see it being valuable
# Jul 31 2004 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
I honestly don't ahve a lot of experience with whm, since it's not my main and is only lvl 28. However, being hume, i sub smn for more MP, and if my whm was high enough, i could see pulling out the avatar's for their blood pacts that enhance the party members like blink and whatnot.
Price
# Jul 10 2004 at 5:50 PM Rating: Default
Saw two today in the Jeuno AH selling for 300k on Diabolos. They were 150k about a month ago, then went straight to 300k. Easy enough to find, in Armor >> Waist section.

I badly want this item, so may have to set up a BCNM party to get it. =D
AH
# Jun 25 2004 at 2:02 AM Rating: Default
Just curious is this available to sell? I didn't even see in on the AH
umm, are you sure about that?
# Jun 09 2004 at 3:48 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't know how the Latent effects work, let me say that right now. But I do know that the Conjurer's rings (listed on this site @ finger armor lvl 50) have a Latent Effect: Avatar Perpetuation Cost -1 on them and are job specific to Summoner only. I don't see how the latent effect could be activated by subbing smn if smn has to be your main to use the rings in the first place.

Edited, Wed Jun 9 16:51:10 2004
RE: umm, are you sure about that?
# Aug 03 2005 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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the level 50 set of lantent rings ability trigger is yellow HP.
RE: umm, are you sure about that?
# Jun 14 2004 at 5:15 AM Rating: Default
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The level of the equipment does not indicate the level that the subjob must be to activate the latent effect. For example, a lvl30 WHM is able to equip the avatar belt (all jobs allowed, as opposed to the lvl50 flavors of JSE) and even with a lvl1 SMN subjob would receive the latent effect.

"Latent Effect" is a generic term referring to the fact that the equipment has some sort of hidden power that can only be unlocked under certain conditions. For the lvl30 JSE earring and belts, that condition is the subbing of the correct job, at any level.
Avatar Belt
# Jun 01 2004 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
Picked up one of these belts at the AH in Jeuno on Seraph. The belt is avatar perpetuation cost -2 when my subjob is smn'r. No hp crisis or mp crisis needed, it just gives that effect anytime you cast. When worn with the 51 lvl staffs it reduces avatar perpetuation cost to zero. The belt is expensive and this is a result of pricefixing by some pretty crafty profiteers. Dont pay the big gil for this belt, organize a few bcnm 30 raids and go get it.

Wix
Seraph/55whm/42Smn/Rank5
Latent Effect
# May 07 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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I have finally got a hold of one of these.

the Latent Effect is summoner is the SUBjob...

This is a Subjob enhanceing item.
RE: Latent Effect
# Nov 18 2004 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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the three posts which I think should be right above this one were responding to a post that is likely hidden due to rate downs. Please don't rate down the three above posts since they are correctly (although somewhat rudely) stating that the hidden post is wrong.

EDIT : BAH the y showed up belofe me, and it's not the post right below me, it's the three below the one right below me. Sorry for the confusion.

Edited, Thu Nov 18 03:39:14 2004
RE: Latent Effect
# May 12 2004 at 9:22 AM Rating: Default
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A common misconception. The newest set of Latent Effect items trigger with subjobs, not with low HP (as some past latent effect items). Generally, whatever job would most benefit from the effect, that job will trigger it when used as a subjob (not as a main).

For example, this belt is obviously very useful for summoners, and thus the effect triggers for SMN subjobs.
#REDACTED, Posted: May 11 2004 at 12:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Latent Effect means when your HP's are in yellow, not as a subjob!....
RE: Latent Effect
# Jun 14 2004 at 4:54 AM Rating: Default
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You're dead wrong. Try actually putting one on and seeing what happens before stating misinformation as fact.
RE: Latent Effect
# Apr 11 2005 at 2:41 AM Rating: Good
Try not to be such an idiot when telling someone they're wrong...there is a NICE way of doing it...
RE: Latent Effect
# Jun 02 2004 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
idiot..
RE: Latent Effect
# May 23 2004 at 8:36 PM Rating: Default
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Your so wrong...
Latent effect
# May 04 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Latent effect... does anyone know under what conditions the belt's powers come into effect?
neat
# May 03 2004 at 11:15 AM Rating: Default
oooOOoooooo....i want one of these! may not be the best thing out there but nice to have.
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