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Gjallarhorn
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75BRD/37WHM Titan
Well i guess it does make sence that it wouldn't add +2 to Mp refreshed from Ballad, it does sound to ultra powerful. But i did wanna say this much though, Soul Voice not only doubles power of songs, but it also doubles the power of instriments. So if it did add 2 mp to Refresh on Ballad, then stats would be as follows
Ballad I 3mp, Ballad II 4mp...
Soul voice
Ballad I 6mp, Ballad II 8mp...
Total 14mp refresh
Well i guess it does make sence that it wouldn't add +2 to Mp refreshed from Ballad, it does sound to ultra powerful. But i did wanna say this much though, Soul Voice not only doubles power of songs, but it also doubles the power of instriments. So if it did add 2 mp to Refresh on Ballad, then stats would be as follows
Ballad I 3mp, Ballad II 4mp...
Soul voice
Ballad I 6mp, Ballad II 8mp...
Total 14mp refresh
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 09 2005 at 2:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) >.> your a 75brd?? ballad I with soul voice gives 2 not 3. . .
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read it again. he said that with the +2 instrument it gives
Ballad I: +3mp
Ballad II: +4mp
total of 7mp
and with Soul Voice it gives
Ballad I: +6
Ballad II: +8
total of 14mp
Ballad I: +3mp
Ballad II: +4mp
total of 7mp
and with Soul Voice it gives
Ballad I: +6
Ballad II: +8
total of 14mp
um no.. let's right it in crayon for ya
Ballad no buffballad and soul voiceballad 1 +1 ballad 1 +2
ballad 2 +2 ballad 2 +4
one gives you +3 as normal other gives +6 as soul voice gives double effects. now how even if this horn worked on ballad come out to +14? ...if it did work you'd get +12 duh duh duh!!!!
Ballad no buffballad and soul voiceballad 1 +1 ballad 1 +2
ballad 2 +2 ballad 2 +4
one gives you +3 as normal other gives +6 as soul voice gives double effects. now how even if this horn worked on ballad come out to +14? ...if it did work you'd get +12 duh duh duh!!!!
um no.. let's right it in crayon for ya
Ballad no buffballad 1 +1 ballad 2 +2 [u]ballad with soul voice[u] ballad 1 +2 ballad 2 +4
one gives you +3 as normal other gives +6 as soul voice gives double effects. now how even if this horn worked on ballad come out to +14? ...if it did work you'd get +12 duh duh duh!!!!
Ballad no buffballad 1 +1 ballad 2 +2 [u]ballad with soul voice[u] ballad 1 +2 ballad 2 +4
one gives you +3 as normal other gives +6 as soul voice gives double effects. now how even if this horn worked on ballad come out to +14? ...if it did work you'd get +12 duh duh duh!!!!
um no, your off. its 1 of these 2 things
1. you have ballad I as 1mp+1mp(should be 2). with sv that will give you the 2 extra mp your missing.
or
2. your not including sv on instruments
so...WITH Gjallarhorn (+2 to all song...i.e. +2 mp to EACH ballad)
Ballad I 3mp (1 +2=3) , Ballad II 4mp (2+2=4)
7mp per tick
Soul voice
Ballad I 6mp (2+ 4=6), Ballad II 8mp (4+4=8)
Total 14mp refresh (last time i checked 6+8=14)
duh duh duh crayons and all.
Edited, Sun Feb 19 00:38:14 2006
1. you have ballad I as 1mp+1mp(should be 2). with sv that will give you the 2 extra mp your missing.
or
2. your not including sv on instruments
Quote:
Soul Voice not only doubles power of songs, but it also doubles the power of instriments.
so...WITH Gjallarhorn (+2 to all song...i.e. +2 mp to EACH ballad)
Ballad I 3mp (1 +2=3) , Ballad II 4mp (2+2=4)
7mp per tick
Soul voice
Ballad I 6mp (2+ 4=6), Ballad II 8mp (4+4=8)
Total 14mp refresh (last time i checked 6+8=14)
duh duh duh crayons and all.
Edited, Sun Feb 19 00:38:14 2006
End game equip? {Yes, please.}
DBL POST
Edited, Mon Apr 11 12:01:32 2005
Edited, Mon Apr 11 12:01:32 2005
This does NOT increase ballad potency, confirmed by some Japanese player with screenshots over at KillingIfrit awhile ago.
What +2 does to Ballad is.... wait for it.... increase its duration.
/endlife
What +2 does to Ballad is.... wait for it.... increase its duration.
/endlife
Scholar
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whoops, double post. >< My fault....
Edited, Wed Jun 15 12:14:38 2005
Edited, Wed Jun 15 12:14:38 2005
Scholar
29 posts
Thank you! It's kinda annoying when everyone suddenly starts to drool thinking +2 means potency. Even without a Gjallarhorn, you can clearly see any instrument with any +'s to song types makes the effect last longer.
Scholar
33 posts
+ instruments always increase the duration and depending on song (i.e. Carol, Minuet, Minne, etc) increase the effect. Grab the Paeon+ harp and you get more hp/tic. Was it truly that clear? More Mp/tic was a pretty safe assumption.
Edited, Thu Jul 14 01:35:22 2005
Edited, Thu Jul 14 01:35:22 2005
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Ahh the Horn,
How lovely it is, Problem it a 4th stage Relic instrument ><. For all the Bard look at this, Be prepared to work you *** off,cause the pretty thing is not cheap and is Uber expensive Byne Bill wise >< (LOTs of Time Spent in Dynamis)
How lovely it is, Problem it a 4th stage Relic instrument ><. For all the Bard look at this, Be prepared to work you *** off,cause the pretty thing is not cheap and is Uber expensive Byne Bill wise >< (LOTs of Time Spent in Dynamis)
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I am dwelling on whether or not + [Instruments]are the power or time up. Because I know [Lullaby] last longer with [Mary's Horn] then it does without it. So would this +2 to every song mean longer lasting?
At level 60, you don't need MAry's Junk Horn anymore. Nursemaid's Harp gives +2 to Lullaby and by then you'll have AF and Light Staff. I've never failed to sleep anything with my equip.
Only reason I would get this is just for the plain and simple face that I don't have to carry around 14 instruments anymore. ><; I would keep some of them though for the +evasion skill of Hamelin Flute, of the +3 Threnody from the level 70 Harp (forget the maner). 3 instruments are better than 17! o.O
Only reason I would get this is just for the plain and simple face that I don't have to carry around 14 instruments anymore. ><; I would keep some of them though for the +evasion skill of Hamelin Flute, of the +3 Threnody from the level 70 Harp (forget the maner). 3 instruments are better than 17! o.O
The instrument youre thinking of is the Shofar +1 which gives a HP boost and +3 Requiem.
Wouldnt you rather want +2 Requiem with +10 Singing and +10 Wind Instument Skill AND +4 Chr?
doesnt it seem that would be better than just +3 Requiem?
Edited, Sep 20th 2006 at 9:08pm EDT by Creelo
Wouldnt you rather want +2 Requiem with +10 Singing and +10 Wind Instument Skill AND +4 Chr?
doesnt it seem that would be better than just +3 Requiem?
Edited, Sep 20th 2006 at 9:08pm EDT by Creelo
I know +2 ballad is exciting, but I'd like to point out that the +2 also applies to all those oddball songs that don't have insturments (warding round, goblin gavoette, etc...) it's *possible* that these songs may no longer be so useless with +2 (Hmmm).
#REDACTED,
Posted: Feb 24 2005 at 8:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it does not make sence?
2 posts
You obviously aren't a BRD. Singing skill applies to any song you sing, regardless of if you are using an instrument or not.
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Edited, Sat Feb 4 15:17:23 2006
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This is my BRD eng-game instrument.... if its not I dont know what your smoking but it must be strong, as long as you can afford it that is ;).
Its a BRDs dream instrument, truely amazing.
Its a BRDs dream instrument, truely amazing.
*Squishys*
*Has mouth full of sugar* KEWL HORN! *Mumble-mumble*
*Mumble-chew-crunch* ONIONS! *Grumble*
*Has mouth full of sugar* KEWL HORN! *Mumble-mumble*
*Mumble-chew-crunch* ONIONS! *Grumble*
This is a dynamis upgrade. Everything it says is what it does. Yes it is better than two hour, but when does the Bard ever really use their two hour.
you will get 6mp a tick with ballad 1 and 2 up
Edited, Fri Dec 24 06:22:26 2004
Edited, Fri Dec 24 06:22:26 2004
As i understand it all songs are x2. This would indeed make "Ballad I" 2mp a tick and "Ballad II" 4mp a tick. Ill let you know when i have it
it's not x2, it's +2 just like the horn says, so
ballad 1 = 1+2 (3)
ballad 2 = 2+2 (4)
total (7)
add soul voice (which *is* x2)
ballad 1 = 2+2 (4)
ballad 2 = 4+2 (6)
total (10)
Edited, Mon Feb 28 03:36:34 2005
ballad 1 = 1+2 (3)
ballad 2 = 2+2 (4)
total (7)
add soul voice (which *is* x2)
ballad 1 = 2+2 (4)
ballad 2 = 4+2 (6)
total (10)
Edited, Mon Feb 28 03:36:34 2005
its not double song effects *_* that would mean this horn would be equal to having a constant Soul Voice... highly unlikely in my opinion.
more likely it works like every other instrument with a song bonus, ie: increased effect and duration.
i believe the Paeon+2 instrument actually increases the regen effect by 2hp, and the paeon +1 increases it by 1hp, so logically, this will make ballad give 3mp, and ballad II give 4mp.... >_>
dont forget, this is the ultimate instrument for bards, they are not going to gimp it >_<
edit:
lol guessing we'll hear back in 2-3 years from you then as there aren't that many in existance system wide (not even many 75BRD JP's have it fully upgraded)
Edited, Wed Nov 24 14:14:18 2004
more likely it works like every other instrument with a song bonus, ie: increased effect and duration.
i believe the Paeon+2 instrument actually increases the regen effect by 2hp, and the paeon +1 increases it by 1hp, so logically, this will make ballad give 3mp, and ballad II give 4mp.... >_>
dont forget, this is the ultimate instrument for bards, they are not going to gimp it >_<
edit:
Quote:
Ill let you know when i have it
lol guessing we'll hear back in 2-3 years from you then as there aren't that many in existance system wide (not even many 75BRD JP's have it fully upgraded)
Edited, Wed Nov 24 14:14:18 2004
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I'd really like to know if that +2 to songs makes Ballad II have 4 mp every 3 seconds o.o
They're pulling out all the stops for high lvl players to be able to defeat some of the very hard endgame mobs out there.
Can't WAIT till I get to high enough lvl in ANY job to use one of these things. I've got my eye on the WAR's GAX.
Can't WAIT till I get to high enough lvl in ANY job to use one of these things. I've got my eye on the WAR's GAX.
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