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sweet
# Dec 29 2008 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
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these wpns r sweet...
latent effect
# Nov 28 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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anyone know how latent effect works,once u have clean the weapon?
6% x2?
# Jun 09 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know how true this is but i heard from somewhre that the +6% on the destroyers apply for both hands, so it would be +12% overall, is this right, cuz if it is, it seems a lil overpowered o.o
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6% x2?
# Jul 10 2008 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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not quite, it is 6% per hand but it is not 12% because the bonus stays on the hand so each hand has a chacne to crit of 6% it doesn't raise your overall chance to crit by 12%
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# Mar 31 2008 at 8:11 PM Rating: Default
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I just wanna say i think it's unfair that PUP can't use these... :[
@_@
# Mar 19 2008 at 7:00 AM Rating: Decent
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If anyone on Cerberus wants to do some Double Dragonian runs /tell Oric, I need these damn weps @_@ heck, I'd even pay for the help.
Need C orb merced
# Jan 02 2008 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone on Unicorn that mercs C orb, please send a /tell to Nightwisher. I really don't have the money to pay for Hades.
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Hades > Destroyers
# Oct 07 2007 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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last time I'll say it
got destroyers
# May 24 2007 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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1st run Subduer dropped n stuff
2nd run Heart Snatcher n stuff
3rd run DESTROYERS n 250k worth of stuff but got destroyers not sellables

PLD MNK BLM BLM WHM NIN- most important for kiting

we slept BRD elemental seal + sleep 2, then kill WARR fast. BRD woke up kite it n GRAVITY it sticks like glue. NIN kiting cause any1 else die in a heart beat. and HOLY WATERS for cursna n nuke n kite- nuke n kite

Finally!
# Apr 24 2007 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I just got my Destroyers last night /joy!
we went 5/6(wiped on our 1st attempt) and they droped 3 times. Double drag.FTW
I'd like to say thanx, and grats to everyone who helped/got theirs.
And yes, Kill the WAR 1st.
NINx2 BLMx2 MNKx2 Really isnt that bad, we had a bad run the 1st try, but after that it just got easier.
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Delay 48????
# Apr 16 2007 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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with delay 48, this is real quick??? even dagger has 170s delay... so it is as fast as using 2hours???
Delay 48????
# Apr 16 2007 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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What this means is the delay is +48....not just 48. +48 means you take your delay for your unequipped H2H ability and add 48 to that. All H2H weapons use this formula.
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Best H2H
# Apr 03 2007 at 12:36 AM Rating: Default
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Spharai > Hades > Destroyers

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Hades

Dmg: 18

+7acc -> Asuran Fists + TP gain

+7eva -> Shadows/Third Eye

+7enmity -> Counter

+7"Subtle Blow" -> helps defense

you will not find these many stats on any other weapon in game.

Don't be discouraged by people who try and tell you what to do.

These are entremely hard to get and put together.

x2 Cerberus Claws
dropped by HNM CERBERUS spawns every 3-5 Days
in mount zyaohlm

x1 Bloodwood Lumber
by synthing x3 very rare Bloodwood Logs, logged in Mamook
by 90Woodworker

then ull need

Bonecraft 101
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Smithing??
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x1Bloowood Log
x2Cerberus Claws
x2Iron Ignots

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Destroyers - are nice

Dmg: 18

6% Criticals

fight easy prey get 30 kindreds seal and
do the ksnm for the drop,
a common drop.

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Best H2H
# Nov 21 2008 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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+7enmity -> Counter

Because your party really needs you to get hit even MORE.
The Emnity isn't worth the trade off.

Quote:
+7"Subtle Blow" -> helps defense

You don't even know what Subtle Blow does, do you?

Hades are decent, if you can compensate for the +enmity.
But to say they're better than Destroyers is just stupidity.

Edited, Nov 27th 2008 1:37pm by Aneirin
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The Easy Way Out
# Feb 21 2007 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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The easiest way to get these:
Next time people you know do one of the fights for $$, ask if you can go up and grab a pair. Then ask if you can chill outside the party, in the alliance, and lot them if nobody else wants them. :)
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# Oct 11 2006 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey all i got these about 4 months ago, i broke them the second i hit 73. Anyway i have Crit fully merited and with my Destroyers i feel that they are second to only 1 H2H. But i have yet to play with a set of Faith but aside from full Relic upgrade then these rank highest on my list. To all the MNK out there we are probally the best DD around and just because SE messed us on new meritts we are still DD pro's. Any way enjoy if you have, if not i strongly urge you to get a set, look me up if you need anymore info have fun and happy fighting.
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Easy KSNM
# Oct 07 2006 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey yall, well I got mine like 1 month ago, when some friends from my LS went to do Copycat for Fuma, and so I went with them to do the Desert Storm, since we were doing it Manaburn style. Anyway so we did my scoprions and I got a Venomous Claw and then we did theirs and they got total of 3 drops out of 5 so I asked and I lotted and thats how I got mine. I didn't had monk lvld then but now I am lvl 72 and I am only 1 lvl away from using them and I am ready to pawn some mobs.

I think Copycat is hella easy if you do it manaburn style. Just have like 5 blms cast tier 4 magic and sleep after each cast with Elemental Seal and then redo casting and it will die fast.
DESTROYERS is PANG3!
# Sep 15 2006 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow...these rock my socks. Gotta grab a pair.
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# Aug 24 2006 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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no no no no. always , . . always kill the weakiest mob first.
the faster you kill the weak (brd) dragon, the faster/better chance you get of jumping to the next mob before it awakes. This way your killing one at a time, its like chaining dragons instead of having a link. Think about it, basic tactic in an outnumberd situation.

If you go for the war first it will take a while to take him down, risking the other dragon to awake and might start resisting sleep and starts buffing the war and make him even more stronger. I know what your thinking, you'v done this and came out alive. yes its true its possible to kill war first, but all im saying is that there is, a betTER and easier waY!

Now if you go for the BRD first and sleep the war, you can kill brd pretty easly since its prety much cutting through paper armor. Once bard is down you can even rest for a while get MP back while he sleeps. This way you'l have one mob to defeat at this point its all in your teams hands to beat down the strong war class dragon.

I know this cuz i done this ksnm for my MNK's in my LS. Now we have tried both ways since some of my members think killing war first is easy. now i took all suggestion and came out a better plan. but like me as always, i always let them try first, since i like saying "I told you so" in the end.
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# Mar 07 2007 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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no no no no. always , . . always kill the weakiest mob first.
the faster you kill the weak (brd) dragon, the faster/better chance you get of jumping to the next mob before it awakes. This way your killing one at a time, its like chaining dragons instead of having a link. Think about it, basic tactic in an outnumberd situation.

If you go for the war first it will take a while to take him down, risking the other dragon to awake and might start resisting sleep and starts buffing the war and make him even more stronger. I know what your thinking, you'v done this and came out alive. yes its true its possible to kill war first, but all im saying is that there is, a betTER and easier waY!

Now if you go for the BRD first and sleep the war, you can kill brd pretty easly since its prety much cutting through paper armor. Once bard is down you can even rest for a while get MP back while he sleeps. This way you'l have one mob to defeat at this point its all in your teams hands to beat down the strong war class dragon.

I know this cuz i done this ksnm for my MNK's in my LS. Now we have tried both ways since some of my members think killing war first is easy. now i took all suggestion and came out a better plan. but like me as always, i always let them try first, since i like saying "I told you so" in the end.


You're on drugs of something...

You kill the WAR first, or your in for an arse whooping of great proportions. Here's the reasoning:

1) Once one Dragon dies, the other goes "Super" or approx. x2 it's original power. This mean instead of the WAR doing 700-900 Body Slam, it will peg ya for 1400-1800, not what I wanna be taking on. The BRD, whoopee, he hits for 300 instead of 150 and has higher defense.

2) WAR mob is easy as pie to take down 1st BECAUSE he cannot buff himself. Making his accurracy garbage, and his defense mediocre at best. The BRD becomes a nuisance when he sleeps your WHM or 4/6 of your party while the RDM or BLM is trying to keep the WAR slept.

I've done Double Dragonian more times than I can remember. I have a Heart Snatcher/Dissector/Destroyers/Subduer and just recently got my roommate his pair of Destroyers. By best configs have been as follows: WHM/RDM/BRD/NIN/MNK/DRK.

WHM subs SMN for auto-Refresh and Earthen Ward. Keeps finger on trigger for Cure V and Cursna.

RDM subs WHM for assisting WHM in Cursna a Dispelling any buffs the BRD pulls up.

BRD subs NIN or WHM, can either assist in Cursna or Debuffing, not both until one Dragon is down. Also cast either Double Mambo or Double March depending on NIN's gear set-up.

NIN obviously tanks, maintaining vokes on both Dragons, so BRD doesn't get snuffed when the other Dragon wakes up. Also should carry 1-2 stacks of Holy water depending on how many runs you do.

MNK subs NIN for back-up tanking and hate control. Every once and a while the BRD will get lucky with quick casts and double-attack and wipe the NIN.

DRK subs NIN as not to become MP sponge, and stuns whenever the NIN gets cursed. Otherwise the NIN may not have time to uncurse and get healed while casting shadows. DRK can also save the day with Souleater Guillotine on last 15-20% of BRD's life if MP is dangerously low on mages for clean kill.

I'm 49/49 on wins for this KSNM. It's pretty easy, and only should take 6-8 mins total per run.

Have fun. and good luck on your drops! Took me 24 runs to get my Subduer lol!
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# Feb 15 2008 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Theodorik, Eater of Souls wrote:

WHM subs SMN for auto-Refresh and Earthen Ward. Keeps finger on trigger for Cure V and Cursna.

Not trying to mean, but since when SE release a new quest for lv cap up to 92?
Earthen Ward is a lv46 Summoner spell. just wonder how you can get that for the current lv cap?
Or you are saying that was SMN/WHM? if so, that's even worse, cause Cure V is lv61 whm spell...
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# Mar 29 2007 at 5:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Let's not forget the basic tactic of killing the stronger one while everyone's full and not trying to tackle it after everyone's hp and mp are depleted.
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# Dec 06 2006 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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pinoysaiko wrote:
no no no no. always , . . always kill the weakiest mob first.
the faster you kill the weak (brd) dragon, the faster/better chance you get of jumping to the next mob before it awakes. This way your killing one at a time, its like chaining dragons instead of having a link. Think about it, basic tactic in an outnumberd situation.

If you go for the war first it will take a while to take him down, risking the other dragon to awake and might start resisting sleep and starts buffing the war and make him even more stronger. I know what your thinking, you'v done this and came out alive. yes its true its possible to kill war first, but all im saying is that there is, a betTER and easier waY!

Now if you go for the BRD first and sleep the war, you can kill brd pretty easly since its prety much cutting through paper armor. Once bard is down you can even rest for a while get MP back while he sleeps. This way you'l have one mob to defeat at this point its all in your teams hands to beat down the strong war class dragon.

I know this cuz i done this ksnm for my MNK's in my LS. Now we have tried both ways since some of my members think killing war first is easy. now i took all suggestion and came out a better plan. but like me as always, i always let them try first, since i like saying "I told you so" in the end.


Ive done DD a reasonable amount of times and killing the WAR first makes it very very easy...

Super-Charged BRD its quite easy, Super-Charged WAR is a beast and usually needs to be kited, with DDs/NIN you can take both WAR first fast and BRD super-charged does not give problems WIN/WIN situation plus you dont need BLMs/Ranged damage to get a party ready.

IMO Brd first its not a better plan its slower and depends more on jobs you can take, War first aproach helps MNKs getting a real role in the BC and not having to look after BLMs and so.

Easier to set-up, faster and easy.

i risen dmg noticable
# Aug 04 2006 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
hi i got these last night and have started to work them off, about 40 Skill Chains to go. I was just wondering if the dmg is noticeable the moment u get 500 pts or if more subtle?
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Breaking Latent
# Jul 19 2006 at 3:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Triggering Latent Effect

Obtain 500 Weapon Skill Points while Destroyers are equipped.

Not all 500 points need be obtained in a single session. They may be obtained piecemeal over any period of time the player chooses.

For a solo Weapon Skill or opening any level Skillchain, you get 1 point.
For closing a Level 1 Skillchain, you get 2 points.
For closing a Level 2 Skillchain, you get 3 points.
For closing a Level 3 Skillchain, you get 5 points.

Info taken from: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Main_Page

The only real way to tell if you broke latent is that you do higher damage.
Latent
# Jun 12 2006 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
ok ive read some of these posts nd im still not sure how ya get the Latent. is it 500ws to get the +18dmg and critical hit rate +6% or 500ws before u lose it and go to the +5dmg?
RE: Latent
# Jun 15 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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They start off with +5 dmg, and will shoot up to +18 after you get the 500 points.
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losing streak continues...
# May 30 2006 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default
eh I still cannot get a winning run on copy or double drag. I've had some really good players with me as well but maybe it's just bad luck.

0/2 copy: 0/4 double. >< That 2nd dragon and his aoe's kill us even with us kiting him.

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RE: losing streak continues...
# Jun 12 2006 at 1:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Double Dragon can be stupid easy if you have the right people. You dont need to kite, just have the rdm ES Sleepga to open it up, then get that WAR dragon dead

Gotta watch curse, erase and Cure IV for the NIN should be one after another and really fast.

Copy is a bit tougher, for copycat having a whm, or a mnk is bad news.
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RE: losing streak continues...
# Jun 20 2006 at 5:53 PM Rating: Default
well we finally did DD 3-3 and got Destroyers 1-3. Rdm, Blm,Whm,Mnk, Sam, Nin. All 75. Slept the War, then melee the Brd.

We then had the Rdm and Blm kite the War while I/Mnk Chi blasted when I could and they slept, gravity, bind and Blm and Rdm Nuke ..mostly Blm. I would not advise meleeing the War as his aoe will kill all of you

Edited, Tue Jun 20 18:03:14 2006
NPC WS Point checker
# May 24 2006 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I wish there was an NPC that would tell you how many WS you have accumulated >.>

oh well.
Finally!!
# May 23 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, so I had enough KSs for 2 Copycat runs. 1st run, KSNM LS BLM PT wipes. I rushed back to Jeuno to get my 2nd orb. Upon returning one of the KSNM LS members says to ppl waiting, "Destroyers dropped, customer doesn't want, who here wants?" Naturally I jumped at the opportunity, but so did another person waiting. KSNM LS member asked us to /random for it. The other guy rolled 400-something, I rolled 200-something... "DAMMIT!". Then another KSNM LS members says, "Give them to Minsc, we lost his orb. "WOOTZ!!" Chalk one up for karma.

Now, from 65-73 I used Shiva's Claws. I know what ya'll are thinkin', "Shiva's Claws?!?. But with the right equipment, these things work great, not to mention they're free! After finally hit 73 I began working off latent. With claws I was hitting 80-100 off EP ants just outside Kufkul (SP?) Tunnel entrance, with Destroyers, 40-60. Not great, but I expected that with DMG:+5.

After a week or so of Skill Up PTs and SCing with NPC I finally unlocked! Now I hit for 100-120 off the EP ants and I seem to crit hit every other hit (I've maxed out merits on crit hits also)! Now I can't wait to try these godly weaps in an actual PT!

Moral of the story...

To those that think they suck or that the latent's not unlocking after days or weeks of trying, DON'T GIVE UP! I to thought the latent would never unlock. You won't regret the time you invested in them.
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Pissed off
# May 19 2006 at 11:01 PM Rating: Default
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I've had these for 2 weeks ... Haven't taken them off ... I play for 7 hrs a day ... This latent better not be off or these weapons suck ... I put on Indra Katars in my static burn last sunday ... The dmg was 40-50 different on reg hits and 100-120 on Crits ... The crit rate was the same ... Please tell me there is a drastic difference when the latent breaks ...
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RE: Pissed off
# May 23 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
Believe me, you will notice the difference when the latent is off. You need 500 WS points in order to break the latent, not 300 that I've heard some people saying. I went through the same thing you went through, Ceran, but eventually you will see a change in the damage. Just keep doing the SC and you should see the difference soon.
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Am not even gonna ask why can RNG and PLD use them.

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    # Apr 08 2006 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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    Just got my destroyers today, went 1/2 for runs ^^b

    On the 2nd run, we actually wiped to it but everybody reraised and rested up to win! I had enough KS's for 4 runs so i'm pretty happy it only took 2, now I can save easier for a KS99 and get started on black belt!
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    RE: got em
    # Apr 10 2006 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
    Congrats!! I've had mine for awhile and I can say that Double Dragonian is the better KSNM to do from my experience in trying both Copycat and Double Dragonian. They are both pretty hard NMs but Double Dragonian has a better drop rate. I believe we went 0/4 on Copycat and 7/11 on Double Dragonian.
    Delay???
    # Apr 03 2006 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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    my question is, when the latent effect kicks in does the delay vanishe or does just the dmg change?
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    RE: Delay???
    # Apr 26 2006 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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    Only the part after "Latent affect:" is changed, therefore delay would not change.
    Help me out!
    # Mar 24 2006 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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    Maaannn I'm drooling over these H2H's. If anyone on Lakshmi is available to help do Double Dragonian, I'd greatly appreciate it^^ :)
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    # Mar 21 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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    I have these as well and they are unlocked. Know lots of mnk's with them and they never lock back up. As for the KS30 to do, I suggest Double Dragorian. My experience is that it drops from there pretty easily (I've now seen 7/15 runs) I am always willing to go and help for free even if im not bringing an orb. Give me a /tell in game on Hades if you want to go. i know some of my friends want dissector so it should be fairly simple to gather a party to go.


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    #Alanp, Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 8:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) been wondering about this if you get some WS points and all of a sudden you die and lv down will the ws points start all over again or will all the points you earned stay the same?
    BCNM of choice?
    # Mar 17 2006 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
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    Which BCNM would you all recommend to get Destroyers? I have enough KS's for only 3 runs, so I don't want to die and waste my chance, and of course do the BCNM which has the best droprate if there is one...?

    Or even better, if there's anyone out there on Unicorn that is trying any of the BCNM's for this, please let me know and I can buy the lot for it off of your PT if you don't need these, because I know there are many instances where destroyers are simply thrown out and this makes me hurt inside ;.;
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    relocking... don't think so
    # Jan 31 2006 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
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    I still haven't understood if the Latent Effect is PERMANENT once unlocked, or if it locks/unlocks after 500ws.

    There are some who say once unlocked it's permanent.

    There are those who say that every 500 WS points you unlock it and lock it accordingly.


    Where is the truth? And do you have proof?


    I use heart snatcher as main hand weapon for solo/farming. I unlocked it long long ago. In other words, the time I've had it unlocked far exceeds the time I've had it locked...and it is still unlocked.

    I know this because the damage per swing was for less than my offhand dagger, Garuda's, when locked. Since I got it unlocked, the damager per swing was, and still is, greater than the offhanded Garuda's dagger.
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    # Dec 02 2005 at 9:20 AM Rating: Default
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    Destroyers are the best H2h weapons for mnk. Latent is taken off after 300 points(or so my 75 mnk friend told me who has had them for a while).I tried doing Royale Ramble, which was pretty easy until we got to the King who kicked our asses. So i decided to do Double Dragonian. A lot easier compared to Royale Ramble, did 6 runs wiped once, and NO FREAKIN DESTROYERS!!!! 2Dissectors, 2Subduers, 1 Heart snatcher /sigh. I'm still pissed ;; so i guess i'll try and get a manaburn pt for Copy Cat. Oh and btw the latent is permanent people!!! Ever fight a mnk with these weapons on in ballista? It sucks to say the lest lol. Thats why i need them so bad! XD 74mnk and still using wagh bagkan??? oh well, i'll get them soon @.@
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    # Oct 20 2005 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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    I still haven't understood if the Latent Effect is PERMANENT once unlocked, or if it locks/unlocks after 500ws.

    There are some who say once unlocked it's permanent.

    There are those who say that every 500 WS points you unlock it and lock it accordingly.


    Where is the truth? And do you have proof?
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    # Nov 21 2005 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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    Any way to tell how many you already have done with the weapon... >_>???
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    Yes I would love to know the truth too.
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    i went on a day when there was a blm crew doing ks30 desert swarm runs in washroom shrine. brought a clotho orb and kindly asked the blms to help me manaburn Copycat. took 2 runs for the destroyers to drop.

    pt setup was 4 blms 1 brd and the orb-holder(me). basic strat is go nuke happy and stun the NMs -ga's and AM. bard sleeps NM as needed. orb-holder sits back and watches.

    NM (an ahriman) will charm pt members, one at a time. so if orb-holder is a high level melee he/she should go naked or use a low-level job. NM will also copy and use its current charmed victim's 2hr @50% health.

    first run was experimental, but 2nd run took 4 mins 8 secs

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    RE: mana burned copycat
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    I too got Copycat manaburned was me 73mnk/36war and 5 73+ blms i ran up naked with just a warp cudgel on and they all thundaga3 it. After which i voke and i get charmed and do lil to no damage to a poor lil taru blm then about 1 min later charm wears and i run up voke warcry to no avail. 1 blm died but the nm was killed justly in under 5 mins. First orb first drop. Personally with what i have heard about the double dragonian i would suggest doing this one for destroyers. Can easily be manaburned plus if you like me and had 60 seals you can come back and do a Desert Swarm after and get a D ingot too lol. Oh one last thing to all you monks out there. BRING A WEAK ASS CLUB WITH YOU. That way when you get charmed you dun kill everyone in the bcnm and screw yourself.
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    I just did the KS30 double dragonian for these...wiped 2/3 times and yes the destroyers did drop. First time his body slam just @#%^ing owned us, seocond time only pld,whm and blm were up and blm RR and nuked it for the win. Third time About 75% through the brd the war woke up ran up and body slamed us and we wiped (the brd took off whms RR so we got owned with no raise).
    And another 500 ws points?
    # Jun 06 2005 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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    I heard that once, after 500 ws points, you "unlocked" the latent effect, the latent effect will be "locked" again after another 500 ws points. Is this true?

    Also, how do those ws points work? Do you actually need to use a ws on every mob everytime, or just kill 500 ep's with it?

    Thanks ^^
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    I've used my destroyers to help friends break their latents...still handing out crits like candy. ^^
    It doesn't wear off.
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    RE: And another 500 ws points?
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    If the ws points you talk about is the same as the trial ws points it works like this:

    Solo-WS: 1 pt. (Any WS can be used)

    Start LVL1 SC: 1 pt. (Reverberation, Liquefaction etc...)
    Close LVL1 SC: 2 pt.

    Start LVL2 SC: 2 pt. (Distortion, Fragmentation etc...)
    Close LVL2 SC: 3 pt.

    Start LVL3 SC: 3 pt. (Darkness, Light)
    Close LVL3 SC: 5 pt.

    You only get points from using the weapon skill like shown above. No points are awarded for kills, unless death occurs from a weapon skill. As for the Latent effect going away after 500 i have no idea.
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    # Apr 18 2005 at 5:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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    I got these about a few weeks ago
    they're really nice because they deal high damage with low delay.
    even without the acc on the weapon, at the end levels with sole sushi, you shouldn't have much problems hitting things.
    someone in my LS went to ballista with those..
    he whipe out half of the other team with hundred fist. +6% crit is very noticble.
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    The latent effect is removed after 500 WS points. same as the 240 WS weapons, but with 500 points instead of 300.

    edit: the latent effect is **ACTIVATED** after 500 ws points. so after 500 ws points with this weapon, they become DMG+18 delay+48 critical hit rate+6%. these are among the best h2h in the game once unlocked.

    Edited, Wed Apr 6 04:07:17 2005
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    # Mar 11 2005 at 11:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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    A friend of mine told me that I would need 30 Kindred seals to get this, I am guessing from looking at the BCNM weapons having similar traits that it is in one of the BC's. More information would be great still :)
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    # Mar 03 2005 at 7:27 PM Rating: Default
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    I am going to get these for sure, and if anyone knows where to get them, and would share it, i would be forever grateful ^^ thanks
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    # Mar 23 2005 at 6:41 AM Rating: Default
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    http://ffxi.cannotlinkto/itemdb/6173

    That's the list of the 2 BCNM that possibly drop the destroyers.


    Edited, Wed Mar 23 06:41:42 2005
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    RE: I need
    # Sep 08 2005 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
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    um your link might have been upgraded but there is 3 bcnm's on that sight there
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    does anyone know where or how to get these weapons? please share with us all if you know!
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    # Feb 21 2005 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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    I have a 75mnk friend on Sylph that has these and he also tells me that the latent effect can be worked off until those stats become the main, atm he hasn't used em enough to be able to say for sure weather or not this is true but i'm definately gonna keey an eye out on this ^^

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    RE: Latent effect
    # Feb 22 2005 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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    its like the weapons of trial for the WSs. u need 500 WS afaik,then the latent effect becomes normal. a friend of me has such a katana.
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    RE: Latent effect
    # Feb 22 2005 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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    i saw a WAR/MNK using them on sylph too (skillup)

    i only want them bc of the name and they are free ^^
    huh?
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    But wait....

    Once the Latten effect is "Unlocked" Its permanent???

    Will the weapon there after be at:
    "18 DMG and 48 DLY" and also have the Critical %?"

    Sooooo....? Forever after the requirements?
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    Man, this is one of the best h2h weapons I'd say. To work off the latent effect, you need to kill 300 Ep+ mobs with them, such like for the quested ws's.

    If you see, you will get 18 base damage with the latent effect off, and +6 critical hit rate. What is awsome is having 18 base damage with a delay of +48!!

    That is just awsome.
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    latent effect?
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    it seems to my idea that the latent effect is with subing mnk?

    well im just takeing a guess..


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    actually the latent effect trigger is uknown but beleives to be like relic knuckles

    after 300-500 ws (varies depending on who you talk to) the latent effect wears off and they are dmg 18 critical hitrate 6%.

    after another set back to the original.
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    # Feb 14 2006 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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    It's definately 500 points and it never resets. I have a pair of these with an activated and latent and I've done more than 100 dark or light skill chains since I activated them. They still have +18 damage and +6% to crits.

    Edited, Tue Feb 14 09:26:04 2006
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    the number on the TRIALS weapons (not relic) is based on the level of skillchain and whetether or not its opened or closed. so yes it is variable... and NO i dont believe these latents can be "worked off"
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