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Martial Knife
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DMG:27 DLY:186
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RDM Knife? Interesting
# Mar 11 2007 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I always thought RDMs could not use knives, only daggers. But it appears we have one after all. I was looking for a decent weapon to skill up on so dagger would be capped for my thf. I guess I'll have to give this a try when I hit RDM 72 :)
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The update
# Aug 07 2006 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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The update to this dagger was the damage. The picture is no longer correct (the same goes for all daggers listed in the updated items section on the main page).

Dmg:23 -> 27

so now for the most part, martial is still an excellent dagger choice for shark bite -> light parties.

Also, with the evisceration update (TP effects chance to critical) I would imagine it would help achieve more critical strikes with the TP boost, to make for some excellent darkness skill chains.
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Martial VS. Harpe
# Mar 30 2006 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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how would this compare to Harpe mainhand? (not H.Harpe or P. Harpe)

I wonder if it's worth switiching to Martial Knife for exp pty Shark Bite.
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update
# Feb 22 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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what was update on this dagger?
martial on evisceration
# Jan 14 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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hmm..to whomever asked if it would effect evisceration like it does shark bite...the answer it yes...the only reason being it would on evisceration and not dancing is the fact that dancing edge acc is based on tp..and like shark bite, eviscerations dmg is based on tp..so i'd have to say that it would help evisceration
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# Jan 13 2006 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Stadiit wrote:What if the dagger is in the main hand, but you use a ranged weapon skill? Would you still get the 100% tp bonus or no?


assuming logically you would have to use the
M. Bow for the tp bonus to kick in.
main hand only
# Dec 29 2005 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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>>> Reishu
>>> Altairs

Martial weapons are working ONLY in main hand so using this as offhand is granting nothing

(this can be very easily tested with WS like Spirith Within, Energy Drain (Steal) etc etc)
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2x Martial Dagger = 2x TP bonus??
# Dec 18 2005 at 4:38 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure if this question was addressed, but since it doesn't seem to be Rare, if I dual-wield these, would both take effect and increase the power further of a WS?

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RDM with subbed Martial Knife ^^
# Nov 11 2005 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I really like this dagger; fast tp with joyeuse, and my savage blade hit 900 on EP at 300% (sub nin, my previous record was 850 with SA Savage on EP)

It's also cheaper than the martial anelace on my server (martial anelace is getting near 2m on Quetz, where this i got for 700k), and doubles well with my garuda dagger. I always sub it, the bonus seems to work (for me at least) even at 300%.

i'm seriously considering keeping this for my soloing set for rdm ^^
Shark Bite at 200%
# Jul 22 2005 at 6:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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WHATS THIS THREAD PURPOSE:

Martial Knife
DMG: 23
TP bonus
LV72

its all about this weapon as:
Dancing Edge TP modification is not modifiing DMG just accurancy Martial Knife has not much use for Dancing Edge

BUT

Shark Bite TP modification is modificating its DMG

as u can see here

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=313276&mid=1099606680697846812

 
Dagger WS                 100%  200%	300%	#Hits	Secondary Attribute	TP Adjustment 
Wasp Sting		1.00			x1				More poison 
Shadowstitch		1.00			x1	CHR_30%			More bind 
Viper Bite		1.00			x1	ATKx2			More poison 
Dancing Edge		1.1875			x5	DEX_30%, CHR_40%            Accuracy 
Shark Bite		2.00	???	3.00	x2	DEX_50%			 
Evisceration		1.00	???	2.00	x5	DEX_30% 


as u can see its unproven how much is SB at 200%TP and that mean how much good is Martial Knife for exp party or any other conditions u use it

about 3 monhts ago i made my first test

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=10&mid=1117395279159633701&num=12

has showed that SB at 200% has modifikator of 2,1 or 2,5

problem was it varried too much and i was not sure just few days ago i got it

i have done today tests on tww mobs outside sandoria that grant me:

A) capped ATT/DEF
B) capped STRvsVIT
C) probbability of capped pDIF multiplikator as i used SA + SB = 3
D) SA+SB only first swing went off that mean less statistical errors
E) DEX 100

so my test was

gain TP with THF/SAM with two weapons

Martial Knife
D23

Stun Kukri
D23

than SNEAK ATTACK + SHARBITE on TWW WILD RABBIT

here are my results:

Martial Knife ( TP 100% + 100 from weapon )
831
853
861
861
855

as u can notice my highest ones has been 861 DMG

Stun Kukri ( TP 100% )
716
729
744
744

my highest 744

that was enough for me because i allready calculated possible highest DMG from SNEAK ATTACK + one hit of SHARK BITE in excel

 
DMG     MAXSTR     DEX     TP     DEXMOD     WSC     SNEAK ATTACK + FIRST HIT SB 
23      33         100     2.5    0.5        41.5    858.75                      

DMG = weapon dmg
MAX STR = WDMG + (WDMG/9+8) (thats weapon cap for STRvsVIT) = 23+10
DEX = my DEX
TP = TP multiplikator
DEXMOD = DEX modifikator for Shark Bite
WSC = wsskillchain modifikator multiplied with lvl 75 multiplier
SNEAK... = Sneak attac + first hit of Shark Bite dmg

this is calculated with TP 2,5 !

as u can see i obtained 858,75 DMG > my max in my tests was 861 it depend how i round my numbers so im extemely near real numbers vs calculated

numbers for STUN KUKRI

 
DMG     MAXSTR     DEX     TP     DEXMOD     WSC     SNEAK ATTACK + FIRST HIT SB 
23      33         100     2      0.5        41.5    747.00                      

as u can see TP modifikator is 2x
real number 744 vs calculated 747

once more time very close ....

conclusion:

SHAR BITE AT 200% TP HAS 2,5 MODIFIKATOR

what does that mean:

Marti Knife in best conditios where verything is capped will do
1037 DMG

Hoplitas Harpe
954,9

Perseus Harpe
993

in this test as its maximum for SNEAK ATTACK + SHARK BITE

this is calculated with "fact" taht second hit from multi WSs is calculated only with TP = 1 and not 2(2,5)(3)
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RE: Shark Bite at 200%
# Oct 14 2005 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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looks like very nice tets ... is there such test for Evisceration too ?
TP Bonus
# Jun 15 2005 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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The way the TP bonus works on WS, is that it'll add 100% to the ws you're using. For example when using Shark Bite at 114% TP, it'll give Shark Bite 214% TP. and if at 214%, it'll give it 300% TP. I've seen parsers for shark bite and martial knife and it's just plain unbelieveable.
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# Apr 03 2005 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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i got this dagger, and for shark bite, it is absolutely amazing!! everyone get it before the price jumps, seriously owns the sh*t out of hope. harpe on shark bite
RE: none
# May 28 2005 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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There is definitely a sizeable increased in WS dmg for Shark Bite. This is my dagger of choice for Light SCs. This dagger is better than Gully and somewhat compareable to that of Gully+1 imo.

Edited, Sat May 28 02:12:44 2005
RE: none
# Jul 04 2005 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so this dagger is pretty much for Shark Bite only? No good for dancing edge though? Anyways I will probably buy one based on what people have said.
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ive heard
# Mar 26 2005 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I hear it doubles whatever your current TP is at. So if your TP is at 100% its 150%, and 200% its at 300%, but i dont think you can exceed 300%. That is what ive heard, sorry if its inaccurate
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RE: ive heard
# Mar 29 2005 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I think you meant 150% of that your current TP is at? because double 100 is 200 :X
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M, knife
# Mar 24 2005 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
is this crafted or droped?
RE: M, knife
# Mar 26 2005 at 3:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Dropped from ENM "Bionic Bug" uncapped . We got one of these tonight as well as Martial axe from the ENM in Attowa chasm.
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nope
# Mar 24 2005 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
knife would be nice for a thief or ranger perhaps to use in the off hand. not sure how much extra tp the ws gets but headr it was 100%


TP Bonus only works when the weapon in is the main hand.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
RE: nope
# Mar 28 2005 at 1:08 AM Rating: Decent
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What if the dagger is in the main hand, but you use a ranged weapon skill? Would you still get the 100% tp bonus or no?
the rumor
# Mar 23 2005 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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so i gues this like the others r rumored to have a special property. They give your WS a bonus amount of TP. knife would be nice for a thief or ranger perhaps to use in the off hand. not sure how much extra tp the ws gets but headr it was 100%.
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RE: the rumor
# Mar 23 2005 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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i cant confirm this, but i have heard that it makes a WS done at 100% TP equal the damage that it would have done if used at 200%.
RE: the rumor
# Mar 24 2005 at 1:59 AM Rating: Decent
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to add another element to the rumour, i also heard that the "TP Bonus" only kicks in if the weapon is in your main hand.
that means no martial sword/martial dagger combo, hitting @ 300% for every WS.
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RE: the rumor
# Mar 24 2005 at 7:49 AM Rating: Default
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Unfortunatly, the M.sword/M.dagger combo is not possible anyway because the M.sword is a Great Sword, not a One-handed Sword.
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RE: the rumor
# Mar 25 2005 at 12:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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doesnt take much INT to see that he's tryin to talk about the 1handed sword that happens to be Martial Anelace....
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