Rostrum Pumps

fast cast

# Mar 15 2009 at 3:38 PM Rating: Default

Babyspike

70 posts

yea this does gave fast cast to jobs there are other items like this that gave fast cast dont need to be rdm to have fast cast ^^

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Trait enhancement explanation.

# Feb 18 2007 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good

anarkrist

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Thought I'd shed some light on the "Enhances XXX effect"

It definitely does NOT give you the trait.

Suppanomimi will still give you the Dualwield enhancement whether you have the trait or not, but you won't have any benefit from it since you need the actual trait to equip an offhand weapon.

When it comes to Fast cast effect it will not give you the FC trait, but it will benefit your spellcasting since you already have a spellcasting time.

As for multihit enhancement (read: Double/Triple attack) it, once again, will not give you the trait, but it will still give you the effect. This might seem to break with my train of thought started at DW effect, but you see, DA and TA only needs one weapon to take effect and all jobs can equip some sort of weapon. Whereas DW delay reduction NEEDS an offhand weapon (you don't get the delay reduction with only one weapon) and the only job that has the actual trait (that lets you equip offhand weapons) is NIN.

So, once again, "Enhances XXX effect" doesn't give you the XXX trait, it gives you the XXX effect.

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# Apr 09 2007 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent

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LMAO this must be one of the dumbest posts i have seen "It doesnt give you the trait it just enhances casting time" seriously one of the most idiotic statements....nothing that "enhances" gives you the trait....it does what it says ENHANCES...and for the idiot that says it doesnt speed up avatar casting...your a moron too it actually makes it about 1 sec faster....try it out, if you dont notice the difference i suggest quiting cause your just another lolsmn and as for DA and TA....on such jobs as thf it does give that affect to BOTH hands not just one(maybe i misunderstood that part a lil bit on your side) anywayz these are alright for smn not the best relic armor is better for both pt and soloing

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#DragonIrons, Posted: Mar 25 2007 at 10:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) He's right, it don't give u the TRAIT itself (you can't go into your traits ability's and expect to suddenly see it there), it only speeds up SPELL casting time slighty (not avatar casting time, only spells [rdm, blm, whm, blu spells...]) thereby enhancing the effect. I've seen a difference in my Cure casts and blink and SS, but not casting avatars.

Trait enhancement explanation.

# Feb 14 2008 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent

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Actually this can decrease the Casting/Recast times on Songs too <.<

I really wouldnt doubt that it would decrease the casting time on Nin and Smn spells too

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# Nov 11 2006 at 5:27 AM Rating: Default

Galactia

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When it has "Enhances..." and you do not have the trait, it will give you the trait regardless. Like these boots, if you do not sub rdm for fast cast, it will give you fast cast. But the fast cast from these boots isn't that great,

Also if you are that sure it does not work like that, then how does the Shade Harness Set work if nothing else gives you empty killer and it still works inside those crags?

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# Sep 18 2006 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent

emariano

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I may be mistaken about this, since there are many items in game with "enhance somthing", but seriously... isn't Supanomimi THE only item in the game with "Enhance something" that you actually must have already? If so, why do people insist on using Supanomimi as an example? It is THE exception of the game. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but even if I am, I'm sure there are way more items out there that give you a trait then items that enhances one that you must have already, regardless of them both saying the same thing.

Enhances

# Jun 30 2006 at 2:26 AM Rating: Default

CharlieTehHustla

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My my my, it kills me how an item with its function CLEARLY stated manages to confuse the masses. Im gonna get flamed for this. Im sure. Rated down, Prolly. But... YOU CANT ENHANCE WHAT U DONT HAVE. This item was clearly designed for those that like the benefits of subbing Rdm. Fast Cast is the only real reason to sub /Rdm... So maybe SE got one right with this item for those that sub Rdm.

SE's items have what Ive noticed to be three "Effects". 1 The one stated in the item description box. 2 "Latent Effects". and 3."Hidden Effects". SO unless SE made a 4th" Uor latest patch uses ppl PC's to read their minds and makes these boots do whatever they want them to believe they do patch", Rostrums Enhance's Fast Cast if you have the job trait. From Subbing Rdm. I know i sound like a smart ass, and that is the intent. Theres no misconception Of the Warlocks Mantle. It does the same thing. Its only CLEARER that Rdm has to be subbed.

And for those I know Ive pissed off with this post, I'm gonna equip my Skulkers Cape (Enhances Sneak and Invisible) run into Monastic Cavern and laugh at those stupid Quadavs cuz they'll never see me cuz I'll never have to cast Sneak or Invis while I wear my cape Mwaaahahahahahahahah. I wove yuu too

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# Dec 14 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent

Glamrist

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CharlieTehHustla wrote:

And for those I know Ive pissed off with this post, I'm gonna equip my Skulkers Cape (Enhances Sneak and Invisible) run into Monastic Cavern and laugh at those stupid Quadavs cuz they'll never see me cuz I'll never have to cast Sneak or Invis while I wear my cape Mwaaahahahahahahahah. I wove yuu too

Well first off, I just start off by saying I will give you 100 million gil if you run into Monastic Cavern and get agro or laugh at any Quadav. Farther more I will come onto ur server and personally kiss ur Royal Know It All Arse, if you get agro from 1 Quadav in Monastic Cavern. Now, yes I love my skulkers cape and it works 75% of the time. Still doesnt help with that once in a rare time weak casting, even with capped enhancing magic. But for everyone who wants these pumps it is only a difference of about 5-10% faster casting. The more Fast Cast u have the more enhanced it will seem. For example. If ur casting Teleports or Raises which are the longest castings and easiest way to notice the difference, mark the difference when ur hands go into the air and at what % into the casting did it happen. I think a regular WHM will have to cast til 90% for teleports, then their hand goes into the air. Add these and it goes into the air at around 85%. Now sub RDM and change nothing and ur hand Goes into the air around 75%. With Loqucious Earring only and at 75RDM/37NIN my utsusemi:ichi is almost as fast as a 75nin casting utsusemi: ni. NIN get jealous when they see how fast ichi goes off. So yes it will work without /rdm and w/out having a job trait "Fast Cast". Just remember it is only a percentage of what u already have. the more fast cast items or job traits u stack, the more u will notice the difference. Another perfect example is the brutal earring, like someone already coughed about, and um.. yeah brutal and loq earrings come from the same NPC. Go figure. Basically enhanced ?????? whatver will give u what u dont have, BUT if u have it already it will enhance it farther than if u didnt have it. I just wish RDM could wear these feet. Im not going to rate up or down. I think I made my point with the 100 million gil. By the way THERE ARE NO QUADAVS in Monastic Cavern, as it is the Orc's Stronghold. There is one Yagudo in Davoi, but he is NPC. LOL

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# Nov 17 2006 at 11:15 AM Rating: Default

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# Aug 01 2006 at 12:42 AM Rating: Default

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wrong. don't post stuff you don't know about...

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# Jul 10 2006 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent

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I have this item, when I sub whm as my blm, it DOES give me the fast cast effect. Do NOT post on this subject unless you've tried the pumps out for yourself. People won't rate you down for disagreeing with them on this topic, they'll rate you down for making ASSUMPTIONS about items taht you don't even have, and when you make bold claims with no supporting data, just subjective logic, it makes you look ignorant and idiotic, hence the ratedowns.

About the pumps, I <3 them! :D Best boots I've seen, along with Relic (as blm). The fast cast is small, but def. noticable, def. one of the last pairs of boots for most mages, I know I'm satisfied.

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# Jul 06 2006 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent

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Rated down for posting INCORRECT INFORMATION, and being a right smartass about it.

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# Jun 30 2006 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent

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CharlieTehHustla wrote:

YOU CANT ENHANCE WHAT U DONT HAVE.

*cough* Koenig shield *cough*
*cough* Brutal earring *cough*

...i could go on coughing for a long time, but i think you get the point, and my throat hurts

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Rostrum Pumps

# Jun 25 2006 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent

nocimorcen

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OK. I don't know anyone that posted a message on here. I don't have these boots. They look cool. But someone has to be making false claims. The following question is not in regards to anyone's post. Why would you have an item that says: 'Adds "Refresh" effect' and then another item that says 'Enhances "Fast Cast" effect' If they both do the same thing? If both add then why do they say different things? You would think that if Adds refresh means you gain refresh then it would need to say adds fast cast. The two are different but supposedly they do the same thing. Hmmm.

RE: Rostrum Pumps

# Jun 26 2006 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent

Rikiha

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Because refresh isn't a trait, auto-refresh is. Fast Cast is a trait, so why would they have "Adds 'Fast-Cast' effect" if you could already have the effect from the trait.

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# May 03 2006 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent

MelMelMel

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To completely notice a difference.
/RDM ftw

But there IS a subtle difference as to using without a /RDM subjob.

I use for my BLM/WHM and BRD/WHM there is a difference, not HUGE but you can notice it.

I personally, do not have /RDM yet. But I know it makes a nice change in recast/casting time.

I used to think and was convinced you HAD to be /RDM which isnt true at all. Thats the only subjob where you can completely notice an improvement.

Thats all.

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Teleport Test

# Mar 26 2006 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good

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Dude.. thats just Stupid, im not calling you stupid. just so that much is clear, but the idea that the enhancement effect gives you fast cast is stupid. think of it this way. If enhancement effect gives you the ability, then i guess the suppanomimi earring gives you dual wield huh?

OK, equip a Brutal Earring and tell me you don't have Double Attack without WAR sub. The Fast Cast on Rostrum Pumps is evident but not shockingly so. Just because it's not a huge improvement doesn't mean it's not an improvement.

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but the human mind is a strong device so i beieve if you want to see something bad enough.. you will see it.

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Plus i'v tested this also using teleport-mea>
Blm/whm with rostrums = Spell goes off at 67%
blm/whm without rostrums spell goes off at 67%
Not a big improvement.

You practically just disproved your own testing...

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# Mar 26 2006 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good

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Dude.. thats just Stupid, im not calling you stupid. just so that much is clear, but the idea that the enhancement effect gives you fast cast is stupid. think of it this way. If enhancement effect gives you the ability, then i guess the suppanomimi earring gives you dual wield huh?

OK, equip a Brutal Earring and tell me you don't have Double Attack without WAR sub. The Fast Cast on Rostrum Pumps is evident but not shockingly so. Just because it's not a huge improvement doesn't mean it's not an improvement.

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but the human mind is a strong device so i beieve if you want to see something bad enough.. you will see it.

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Plus i'v tested this also using teleport-mea>
Blm/whm with rostrums = Spell goes off at 67%
blm/whm without rostrums spell goes off at 67%
Not a big improvement.

You practically just disproved your own testing...

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# Mar 09 2006 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent

BlingOfGaruda

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I tested these out as BRD/WHM.

Fast Cast not only quickens casting time but also lowers your recasting time for spells and songs. So I tested these out with Chocobo Mazurka. The base recast time for Chocobo Mazurka is exactly 1:00. So I put these on and casted Chocobo Mazurka, the recast time was lowered to 59 seconds. While the fast cast may be hard to notice when you cast a song or spell, it is infact there. For those of you who remember when they were level 15 Red Mage and they first got their Fast Cast trait, it was hardly noticable because it was only 1 level.

teleport test

# Feb 02 2006 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent

zealboy

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So I just obtained these and since different people told me different things about whether you need /RDM or not I did my own short test. It's not enough to conclude everything about the Enhances Fast Cast effect, but I do think it's enough to say you don't need RDM sub for them to work.
Basically I teleported to Mea and kept casting Teleport-Mea with and without the pumps on. I did this about 6-7 times with the pumps and 6-7 without (yea, the test wasn't as formal as it could have been). Anyway, I watched the percentage at which I began casting and the percentage that the bar stopped at when it went to the now loading screen. Without the pumps I seemed to cast around 76% every time and the screen went to loading at 95% (once at 94%, once at 96%). With the pumps the casting seemed to begin at 72-73% and went to loading at 92% (once at 91%).

I did a few runs with WHM/RDM. I consistently cast about 10% less with the boots than WHM/BLM with the boots, and 10% less without the boots than WHM/BLM without the boots. As /RDM I also noticed the same 3-4% quicker cast with the boots than without. So the enhancement seemed no different than with /BLM.

I briefly tested a few faster casting spells, but I couldn't really tell at what percent the spells started to cast, as the bar was moving a bit too quickly for my eyes. :)

Edited, Thu Feb 2 00:05:08 2006

RE: teleport test

# Feb 06 2006 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default

curell

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Dude.. thats just Stupid, im not calling you stupid. just so that much is clear, but the idea that the enhancement effect gives you fast cast is stupid. think of it this way. If enhancement effect gives you the ability, then i guess the suppanomimi earring gives you dual wield huh?

Plus i'v tested this also using teleport-mea>
Blm/whm with rostrums = Spell goes off at 67%
blm/whm without rostrums spell goes off at 67%
Not a big improvement.

Edited, Fri Feb 10 10:19:45 2006

RE: teleport test

# Mar 04 2006 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent

Huragano

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the fact is:
Rostrum pumps gives u Fast Cast
Suppanomimi gives u less millisecond of Delay using /NIN with dual wield JT

i tested them, i'm sure of them

RE: teleport test

# Feb 12 2006 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent

zealboy

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The Suppanomimi is a nice attempt at an arguement, but the fact that that doesn't give Dual Wield means absolutely nothing when talking about Rostrum Pumps. Suzaku's Scythe, for example, enhances the bird killer effect, and has been proven to GIVE the effect if you do not already have it. Obviously some enhancements do give it, and some, like Suppanomimi, do not. Perhaps Square needs to work on their wording a bit... But due to this, we can't assume Rostrums act similar to either Suppanomimi or Suzaku's Scythe.
Thus my testing shows that they DO give the effect, even if only to a small degree. Your testing, which is the same test, shows they don't. So that doesn't really help us here... I choose to believe I am right. You may believe you are. (Though I should add I also tested them while actually having RDM subbed for Fast Cast, and got no difference between RDM sub and non-RDM sub for the boots... so I guess I tested a bit more thoroughly).
Anyway, if anyone else would like to share any tests they have done, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

RE: teleport test

# Feb 17 2006 at 12:59 PM Rating: Default

curell

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ok as far as suzy's Scythe, i have no experience with that but the human mind is a strong device so i beieve if you want to see something bad enough.. you will see it. for me if i dont see it listed under job traits i dont have it.

second thing is i chose blm/whm for the rostrum test cuz there wouldnt be any fast cast effect present unless given by the pumps. and it didnt work, i didnt spend alot of time on it cuz it didnt seem like a reasonable idea in the first place. But i can exept the idea that its game based and dependant on lines of command specific code, so maybe there is some degree of inconsistency. But even at that the cast time difference would be less than a sec. but its cool, whatever sets ur mind at ease

as for the supp. earring it enhances an "effect"
The principal is the same no matter the "effect"
so ya maybe its Hidden like the cabi mitz -perp. effect. Should be called "Grants" ...effect

but like you said on the rostrums to each his/her own belief.

Edited, Fri Feb 17 12:06:50 2006

RE: teleport test

# Feb 19 2006 at 4:39 AM Rating: Decent

zealboy

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You may also want to do a test with these boots looking at Recast timers, as Fast Cast also affects that. I have done so with Aspir on WHM/BLM (using no other Fast Cast gear, Haste gear, or Haste spell) and it brings recast timer from 1 minute to 59 seconds. Very VERY small amount of Fast Cast there, but still some nonetheless.
For comparison, Aspir recast timer on a naked 75 RDM who has 3 levels of Fast Cast is 54 seconds.

cure casting

# Jan 13 2006 at 12:54 PM Rating: Default

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I bought a pair of cure clogs the other day and noticed that another whm was casting cures at the same speed I was. I checked her and she was wearing these boots and was whm/blm, so yeah they work even if you do not have /rdm sub.

Depending on your level, she could've had cure-casting merits.

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# Nov 18 2005 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good

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Ok, anything that says "enhances so and so effect" DOES actually give you the ability if you do not have that job trait. for example "enhances beast/dragon/demon killer effect" you don't have to actually have that job trait for it to work.

The Fight

# Oct 10 2005 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent

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My LS fought this NM 9 times last night. We even had one run where we did not have 1 death the whole fight. We had the normal 18 people in the Alliance then a 5 person add party.

Alliance set-up

Party 1
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Party 2
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Blm

Party 3
Whm
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Towards the last couple fights we had 15 in main ally and 4 in add party and still won no problem.

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# Sep 10 2005 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent

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My LS got our first run of this completed, its a crazy fight to get these boots but their pretty bad@ss for my WHM friend.

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#TarumageTheSeksi, Posted: Aug 28 2005 at 2:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Okay, lots of talk about these boots possibly being a %increase to the Fast Cast trait, and this would seem logical.

RE: percentage increase

# Sep 13 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent

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Do the math. 0 x 0.1 (ten percent) = 0.

Say you are BLM/RDM (Fast Cast = 2) and equip the boots, you will have a +10% Fast Cast trait.

2 x .1 = 0.02

yes, because 2 x .1 = 0.02.... o.O;

now why dont you do some maths

2 .... x .... 0.1 .... = .... 0.2

i spaced it out to make it easier for you

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RE: percentage increase

# Sep 09 2005 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent

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I bought a pair of cure clogs the other day and noticed that another whm was casting cures at the same speed I was. I checked her and she was wearing these boots and was whm/blm, so yeah they work even if you do not have /rdm sub.

RE: percentage increase

# Sep 02 2005 at 5:35 PM Rating: Default

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When I get a hold of the pumps I'll let you know.

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RE: percentage increase

# Sep 02 2005 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent

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I think it should work like the %haste tiger mask. I think that works w/o having Haste cast on you. So maybe this works w/o having Fast Cast.

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First in XenoLS...

# Aug 17 2005 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent

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My friend just got these... He was the first of XenoLS to get them. (Bahamut server) They are really nice ^^

BLM/RDM

# Aug 17 2005 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent

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As a BLM/RDM, this will give me Fast Cast III, oh and the INT+3 and MP+30 are nice too. I was looking for a good pair of boots since zenith and AF2 are nothing too special..

RE: BLM/RDM

# Aug 20 2005 at 2:06 AM Rating: Decent

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Actually the AF2's conserve mp +5 is VERY useful and in most cases much better than the stats of the Rostrum Pumps. I think blm's should have both of these equips and swap them out during specific situations.

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RE: BLM/RDM

# Aug 22 2005 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent

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I think both items would be useful depending on the circumstances.

First of all.. i can see a Taru BLM not wanting to give up 30 more hp.. this would slant them in the direction of AF2. As a Hume, i could care less.

Ok, lets try to quantify what "Conserve MP+5" equals. BLMs have the Conserve MP trait already and "Conserve MP+5" appears to increase the chance of it kicking in by 5%. When it does kick in it appears to "conserve" a random amount of mp that averages out to 50%. So 50% of 5% is 2.5%. So Conserve MP+5 is like adding 2.5% to your BASE mp pool. Needless to say, the larger your base mp, the more this benefits you. So once again, this slants taru's in the direction of Sorceror's Sabots. As a Hume, my base mp is a little over 700. 2.5% of that is 18. 18 + the 18 you get on af2 is 36... only 6 more than the pumps. kind of a non issue for non-tarus.

Next up.. INT+3 is a little better than INT+2... duh!

And while we're at it.. Enmity-1 is a smidge better than Enmity-none.

MND+3 helps with a couple minor things like stoneskin.

Def+20 is slightly better than Def+14 for those rare (grins with capped evasion) times we get hit.

Then the fast cast thing is just kind of out there hanging by itself. If the RDM is in the middle of refreshing someone, and the tank gets throatslashed or whatever, having fast cast 3+ (if your subbing rdm) to get a quick cure3 onto him is ultra sweet save-the-day wtfbbq. Also very handy while soloing elementals in sky.

So what does this all boil down to???

Well.... its incredibly situational. If your in an xp/merit party, it will depend alot on your tank. The following mini-guide might be helpful to people who are too lazy to put much thought into it.

Taru + NIN tank = sabots

Taru/RDM + PLD tank = pumps

Taru/WHM + PLD tank = take your pick

NonTaru/RDM = pumps

NonTaru/WHM + PLD tank = pumps

NonTaru/WHM + NIN tank = take your pick

If your the kind of BLM that likes to excell at one stat, just pick the item that best supports your stat. If you like balance, you have a tough choice to make.

I personally prefer maxing out fast cast because i like to have the rythm of one skillchain per mob, and after the skillchain + MB is over, i like to finish it off as quickly as possible b4 the melee's get much tp. If the melee's get too much tp after the SC, you run the risk of them deciding to SC again early the next fight while your in the middle of your debuff macro.

But again.. its mostly a matter of personal preference.

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RE: BLM/RDM

# Oct 17 2005 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent

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Edited, Mon Oct 17 16:43:25 2005

RE: BLM/RDM

# Sep 01 2005 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent

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Ok, lets try to quantify what "Conserve MP+5" equals. BLMs have the Conserve MP trait already and "Conserve MP+5" appears to increase the chance of it kicking in by 5%. When it does kick in it appears to "conserve" a random amount of mp that averages out to 50%. So 50% of 5% is 2.5%. So Conserve MP+5 is like adding 2.5% to your BASE mp pool. Needless to say, the larger your base mp, the more this benefits you. So once again, this slants taru's in the direction of Sorceror's Sabots. As a Hume, my base mp is a little over 700. 2.5% of that is 18. 18 + the 18 you get on af2 is 36... only 6 more than the pumps. kind of a non issue for non-tarus.

Actually that is incorrect, I've saved as much as 78 mp from conserve during some of my tests. Take a look at the Arcane Tomb of Doom by SloppySue on the blm job forum. Nice hard factual data there on it.

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Rdms cant use

# Aug 11 2005 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent

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Though its been said, there is a simple way to tell that this Item adds Fastcast to those jobs that dont have it.

What is that?

Red Mages cannot wear them.

Think about it.

Rdms have

Af1 Hat
Af2 Body

Add these Boots and the spell will be cast before the Rdm can think about it.

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RE: Rdms cant use

# Oct 17 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent

EZSpader

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HUH!?
I do believe Chainspell would still be faster, and i KNOW those spells dont cast till i hit the macro...
your "simple way" tells nothing about if rdm sub is needed.
maybe you could like, cast stoneskin with the boots and without, and see if its any different?

stupid question

# Aug 09 2005 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent

ThePervataru

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If you have to have Dual Weild aka nin as main or sub for Suppanomimi http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=5053 to work why would you not have to have rdm as main or sub for an Enhancesfast cast to work? You cant enhance what you don't have right?

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# Aug 09 2005 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent

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I'm looking to do this as a ls event with my group. what kind of alliance would you recommend? 12? 18?

EDIT
guess i'll have to do some more research -.-

Edited, Tue Aug 9 03:20:41 2005

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# Aug 08 2005 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent

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My linkshell did a huge run of these the other day, I think we got 5 or 6 pairs. I did some tests of my own (as a bard) and this is what I found. On normal, party songs (like ballad) I used to cast at 75%. With these boots, I cast, so far seemingly randomly, at 60%, 65%, 70%, or 75%. Note this is with /whm. On songs that are short, it's really too hard to tell if they're any faster since they only take a second to cast, and I haven't tested on the medium length songs like etude or prelude yet. More info as I get it. Even if the fast cast is a little random, I'm willing to say that these are probably the best all around boots for a BRD at lvl 75, unless you're a galka and the fast cast doesn't really interest you (galkas have the dune sandals). The fight isn't even THAT rough if you have a good group that knows what it's doing.

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QUESTIONS SOLVED

# Jul 28 2005 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent

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For those of you that were wanting to know if you have to already have fast cast by rdm being your main or sub to gain the effects of this, the answer is ..... NO. This has been thoroughly played out by my friend and I once we got the boots we wanted to test this theory out. Since I have two comps and play both at the same time, he gratiously lent me his account info just for this theory. I took my blm/whm out with his blm/whm and tested casting out in Sauramongue Champaign WITHOUT the boots and the timing's were exact when I pressed the Fire IV macro at the same time. I did this 3 times to make sure it wasn't just my timing of hitting the macros.

I then took my character back in to change jobs to blm/rdm. Casted FireIV again at the same time 3 times, and each time my character casted before his. Then i equipped his boots (which im jealous of until i get mine.) Keep in mind at this point I am blm/rdm and he is blm/whm with boots... all 3 times we landed same spell at same time. PROVEN right there already, but i still did a lil more testing. I then took his character back into jeuno to change jobs to blm/rdm as well. I came back out and since this was the final test, i did 5 rounds of FireIV. With the boots equipped, and both our characters as blm/rdm, I casted 5 times and every time his character finished the spell before mine.

So my test completely made a believer out of me, I know exactly what it does and therefore im happy with waht I know. If you don't want to believe it, no problem, take it with a grain of salt. If you do, well then there it is, problem solved, these boots do GIVE you fast cast if you are not subbing rdm period. Hope this helped some peoplez out : ) As for me .... I love these boots that much more now that I know and am even more impatient about getting them.

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RE: QUESTIONS SOLVED

# Aug 08 2005 at 5:31 AM Rating: Good

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THANK YOU for testing this.

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RE: QUESTIONS SOLVED

# Aug 01 2005 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent

fiercedeityBLM

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i dont suppose you could also do some testing with the enhances "Fast Cast" cape and boots too please? :D

thx^^

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# Jul 23 2005 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent

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w00t i just got these boots today they are fricken a pain in the ass to get cause of the two HQ antlion jaw u need for antlion trap....atm im a 71BLM and my friend is a 75BLM we popd it twice him first and it was an easy fight...when the feeler nm does a WS if u wanna call it that it will pop a mob....u dont want to kill the feeler antlion till it pops the alastor antlion...after is spawns this nm kill the feeler right away and then focus ont he alastor..first time around it was easy...then some ppl had to go and we decided to try it again....with links it was a hard fight...eventually we finally defeated it and i got the pumps oh yea im happy as hell now....now just to get BLM to 75....hope this helped a little idk lol

oh yea as it is known me and my friend are the only N/A on the fenrir server to have these and the only to ppl who have them are from anotehr JP linkshell

Sounds fun

# Jul 23 2005 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent

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I love them and I'm a PLD, lol.

lmao

# Jul 23 2005 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent

rootabegg

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all blm drooling over this, I'll keep my af2 feet thank you. Conserve MP+5 > enhance fast cast

lmao

# Jan 17 2008 at 4:33 AM Rating: Decent

Alijah

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Keep your Afv2 and I'll keep my Yigit Crackows >.>

INT +3 and Magic Attack Bonus > Conserve Mp

what?

# Jul 22 2005 at 9:46 PM Rating: Default

EvilMarth

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hmmm... WHM, BLM, BRD, SMN, Enhances Fast Cast..
does this make any sence for what so ever?? /RDM I can see.. but what BRD WHM or SMN subs RDM? I do BLM/RDM, but thats because my main is RDM..

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# Jul 22 2005 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent

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not a single person here has actually posted the truth about "Enhances Effect" gear

some gear gives you the trait
some does not

example:

Suppanomimi, Enhances Dual Wield effect
Sarashi, Enhances Dual Wield effect

these do not GRANT you dual wield, they simply decrease the delay if you have dual wield already

Tatami Shield, Enhances "Killer" effects
Hrotti, Enhances "Dragon Killer" effect
Seiryu's Sword, Enhances "Plantoid Killer" effect

these items actually GIVE you those traits

So some items grant you the trait, some don't. it just depends on how SE sets up the item

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#Paydo, Posted: Jul 23 2005 at 1:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok... So I posted the EXACT SAME THING and got rated down and this guy post what I said and gets a 5.00??????????? WTH!

RE: no

# Jul 25 2005 at 8:08 PM Rating: Excellent

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At least know what the F you're talking about before you slander others you imbecile.

Ever heard of Tatami shield or Hrotti?
They add the effects even if you don't have them with your job. I.e PLD,WAR,NIN, etc.

Now sit down, shut up, and calm down before you have a heart attack or stroke from your insanely high blood pressure.

#DragonIrons, Posted: Oct 15 2005 at 9:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) why don't you learn to read before you fracking sit here blasting somone! EVERYONE who mentioned Hrotti or Tatami said the EXACT same thing u did, that it ADDS the effect even if u don't have it (not the other way around).

RE: no

# Jul 23 2005 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent

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And yet Enhances Killer Effects gives you the killer effects if you don't have them. Look, the only way we're gonna know for sure if this gives Fast Cast or not is to get some BLM/WHM to wear them and test them out. Anyone who has these, PLEASE end the worthless bickering and TEST them. Post your results here and at the BLM forum.

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RE: no

# Aug 08 2005 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent

DarkDraco

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after doing dynamis yesterday as BLM/WHM i forgot to change my sub back to WHM for EXP. with WHM sub i casted around 80% when i leveled up i casted 60-65%. i ahve yet to try these with rdm sub to see how much they stack :D

#Davok, Posted: Jul 22 2005 at 11:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) enhances fast cast:

#Snuts, Posted: Jul 22 2005 at 10:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Enhances "Fast Cast" means you have you possess the trait first before you can enhance it. So unless you are RDM/ or /RDM dont bother.

RE: Enhancing

# Jul 23 2005 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good

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Yeah, don't bother. That +30mp +3INT +3MND isn't worth it at all.

/sarcasm off

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RE: Enhancing

# Aug 08 2005 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent

MutatoOfSeraph

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No, it does not mean you must have the trait first. Ever heard of Hrotti or Seiryu's sword? They grant their effects. Secondly... rdm cant even equip these boots. Look at the item before u speak, and test what you think about it. Have a nice day.

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# Jul 22 2005 at 10:06 AM Rating: Default

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Does this mean if you have inhace dual wield you CAN DUAL WIELD this would be good for mages in pt when curing swap for this item and yands or mnd + weapon without ahving sub

Intimidation

# Jul 22 2005 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent

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# Jul 22 2005 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent

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The best example to look at is probably the Hrotti.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=3262

Notice that it says Enhances effect of "Dragon Killer"

Yet, everyone who has ever had this sword (mostly paladins) knows it will intimidate dragons such as Fafnir, Nidhogg, Jorm, Tiamat, Vrtra, and even wyverns like Seiryu and Ungur. But PLD/WAR and PLD/NIN do not have the dragon killer trait.

Question: Why does it say Enhances the effect of "Dragon Killer" and not Adds the effect of "Dragon Killer"?

Answer: If it only added the effect and you already had the Dragon Killer effect, it would do nothing. This gives a stackable boost to the killer effects. So if you already have dragon killer, it adds a certain percentage boost to it. Also if you have more than one 'Enhances Dragon Killer' item, they stack for a more potent killer effect. Same thing would apply with "Enhanced Fast Cast". It probably adds some static percentage of a fast cast trait, like fast cast +10% or something like that.

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works for bard?

# Jul 22 2005 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent

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so let's assume this gives you the fast cast ability if you didn't already have it

would that apply to bard songs??

RE: works for bard?

# Jul 24 2005 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent

fandalg

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many bards do sub rdm for the fast cast effect, and you dont lose *that* much mp b/c eh whm or rdm sub.. neither is going to give that much mp... say whm gives 150 (not as sub) and rdm gives 120.. so as a sub you only get half of that.. 75 for whm and 60 for rdm.. so there isnt that much of a difference there... also rdm you get fastcast, which helps a TON for songs that take 4 secconds to cast =)

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RE: works for bard?

# Jul 22 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good

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I don't know about this item BUT Fast Cast does cut Bard songs by a bit its been tested many times

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# Jul 22 2005 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent

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"Enhance <insert effect here>" WILL grant you that effect if you do not already have it.

The best example of this that I can think of would be the Shield that "Enhances Killer Effects". I can't think of the name of it, I believe it's mentioned above, it's ~Lvl 70 or so. I remember Drooling over it while browsing the AH. I'm a 66 PLD on Carbuncle, and I remember asking the 75 PLD in my LS about it, questioning it's 2 million gil price tag (because other than the killer effects it's stats are only so-so). My PLD friend told me that while wielding said shield a PLD can intimidate most mobs they fight, while PLD's only get "Undead Killer" through Job Traits.

In this case if a BLM were to put these pumps on they would be granted the "Fast Cast" trait (though it may not show up under the job trait list on the menu) whereas if a RDM were to put these on, their Fast Cast trait would get a little better.

It does make sense to think you would need the effect in the first place to have it enhanced... but if you think about it, being granted a toned down version of said effect is technically enhancing what was already there... aka nothing.

#President, Posted: Jul 22 2005 at 4:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are right and wrong.

RE: .

# Jul 22 2005 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good

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He is right about the Tatami Shield. I have this shield as a BST and not only does it enhancethe killer traits I have making them go off more often it GRANTS the killer traits I do not have such as Arcana, Undead, and Dragon.

You really shouldn't mislead people when you haven't tested it yourself or heard from a friend.

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RE: .

# Jul 22 2005 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent

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Quote:

Don't try to mislead people when you "heard from a friend" go test it yourself.

no he is right i have seen a thf/nin with this shield intimadate stuff and last i checked thf and nin both dont have any killer effects.

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# Jul 21 2005 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good

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It's been proven that "enhances killer effect" will give you the effect. I dont remember the name, but a while back i read about a GSWD that does "enhances dragon killer effect", and a PLD using it has intimidated a dragon.

But IDK about fast cast. Imo, it would give it to you.

New boots!

# Jul 21 2005 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent

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Woo, I just got these with my LS. Mithra have no feet that gives decent INT, so I'm very pleased. In order to see if it really makes a difference in fast cast, I'll need to race my RDM friend with escape. Usually I barely lose with BLM/RDM, so we'll see.

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RE: New boots!

# Jul 21 2005 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent

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Actually, Mithra have some of the best boots around, not counting end game stuff. They actually give better stats than these, unless you need the enhances fast cast trait for some reason. (I'm not high enough to know how important it is at your level.) I'm wearing the boots so you can check my profile since I forget exact stats. It took me months of not lvling rdm and 5mil gil to finally get those suckers (in a bazaar no less). Your boots are definitely awesome. :)

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RE: New boots!

# Jul 21 2005 at 10:25 PM Rating: Decent

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That's true, but I already crossed those off my list of things I can't afford. This will do instead of 5 million feet. Fast cast on warp/escape is always nice too. :)

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# Jul 21 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent

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We gave these to a BLM last night, asked him if it was a noticeable difference. His response, "I dunno, I'm too lazy to notice." -_-;;

I'll drag him out and see if I can give a definate answer.

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Enhance

# Jul 21 2005 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent

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There are several items that 'enhance' an effect and will give you the effect without having that trait. Koenig Shield or Byakko's Axe for example.

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RE: Enhance

# Jul 21 2005 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent

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You should have the BLM cast without pumps and no RDM sub and then with pumps and see at what % of casting the spell fires. If it does give it without RDM sub the the % when it fires should be lower obviously...

hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent

Imperia

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...
isn't Fast Cast only for RDM?

so you have to sub RDM if you want full effect of this.

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#Paydo, Posted: Jul 21 2005 at 1:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Any item that states "Enhances : <ability>" means you have to have the ability for it to work. There are items that give you abilities that are not a part of your job. For example the Avenger Earrings have "Counter +1" everyone that wears that has a 1% chance to counter. These feet only enhance.. so you must have RDM as main or sub.

RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent

psycopx

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No, not really.. it will give you fast cast if you dont have it, and if you have it allready from sub it will enhance it

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RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good

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i can say for certain that having something that "enhances such-and-such effect" does in fact grant the effect. I was wearing crimson finger gauntlets (which allow you to be intimidated by dragon killer as hidden effect on all crimson) and i cured a pld wearing tatami shield (has "enhances all killer effects") and was intimidated by them. it does not happen often, but it does happen, which proves that you do, in fact, gain that trait.

RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 3:14 PM Rating: Default

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Hmmm, no.

You need to have something for it to be "enhanced" otherwise it would say "adds Fast Cast effect"

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RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default

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actually, i'm fairly sure you have to have fast cast already for this to do anything for you^^

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RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent

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Actually items that "Enhance" something will also grant you that ability.

PLD use a shield that "Enhances" beast killer trait (something like beast killer) and it grants them the trait.

RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent

Edom

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NefariousX is right why would they make shields that give beast killer to pld only unless it gave it to pld

RE: hmm

# Jul 21 2005 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent

Terisias

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Exactly, and even subbing BST still won't get you Beast Killer. The same as the Tatami Shield, it Enhances Killer Traits, yet I hear from people who have it that it intimidates whatever they're fighting.

So someone test these out, please.

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