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Would be cool if.....
# Jun 17 2007 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Wish War could use this would look's pretty cool.
Morgenstern question
# Jan 18 2007 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I have my Morgenstern, and what my question is, is this:

Does the Morgenstern visibly change (ie: the description) once the latent has been broken?

That is to say, how can I tell when I've used the club for 500 WS points (if I haven't been keeping track)?

A friend suggested that I take my WHM AF1 club (dmg 27) and note the damage. It was something like 39-66, very rarely criticals.

On the same mob type, I used my Morgenstern (dmg 27) but my damage was considerably higher 60's-80's and frequent criticals.

So my question stands, how can I tell if I've broken the latent effect? Have I already based on my experiements? or is there no sure way to tell?

Thanks in advance.
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Morgenstern question
# Mar 13 2007 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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It sounds like you're fighting EP mobs for your level, which is gonna be inconsistent numbers because of their defense. the VERY best way to test it is to kill some lvl 1 mobs, like in Sarutabaruta or Gustaberg. On them, IF it is unlocked, each hit should be 100-130. Compare this to your other dmg 27 weapon, which should probably do about 60-90, but shouldnt break 100 unless it crits - if these are the numbers your Morg is doing also on lvl 1 mobs, then it's not unlocked yet.
Morgenstern question
# Feb 01 2007 at 9:48 PM Rating: Default
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cant wait till i get this when my pld gets high enough.
Morgenstern question
# Jan 19 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Sounds like you've unlocked your Morgenstern {Congradulations!}

No, there is no visible change to the weapon's description. I have the katana of the same type, it didn't change when I unlocked it.

Much like you did, the best way to tell I've found is to equip a weapon with similar damage as the "locked" version, see what it averages, then equip the Morgenstern (or w/e of these 500 WS point weapons you have) and see if it does same or more damage + more crits.
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Morgenstern question
# Jan 19 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Yay! Now for my WHM hauby... >.>
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got it
# Nov 23 2006 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, we go in to Moa Constrictor with:

NIN, SAM, MNK, RDM, BLM and WHM (me)

RDM and BLM kept 1 asleep while we killed other.

some stuff went wrong, but we killed 1, died RR'd and got unweakened. Went back in, killed the other.

first run dropped Orch ingot, Dams ingot, and morgenstern. all on my orb.

sad part is my inventory was full so the damascus ingot bounced off my inventory, but, hey i look at it like i paid 1.8mil for my club. kinda pricey but meh, i'll take it. lol.

Edited, Nov 24th 2006 3:36am by troubble
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Season's Greetings
# Nov 12 2006 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Season's Greetings KSNM also drop this. went 6/7 before one dropped so it's somewhat rare(?)
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awsome
# Aug 24 2006 at 4:32 AM Rating: Decent
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This is just one awsome club, not too many people on our server have it
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About Latent?
# Aug 01 2006 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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For this weapon, and simmilar wepaons, will the latent effect in the description go away once you have done enough with the weapon?
About Latent?
# Aug 09 2006 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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It works like the xxx of Trials weapons, but kind of backwards. You need to collect 500 WS points, and after that, the latent becomes permanent. It's the same way Destroyers work for MNK.
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Excellent Endgame Club for PLD
# Jul 26 2006 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Now, I can't speak from personal experience yet because my level is too low, but the numbers do not lie.

Once the latent is activated, this weapon has a DPS of 7.74, and that's before the six percent critical bonus you get, which can only serve to increase the actual effective DPS from there. The next best club for damage that Paladins can use--the Martial Wand--has a DPS of 7.24.

I don't hear of many Paladins who carry maces with them, which is a shame, because we've all had to tank skeletons and the few other families of mobs susceptible to blunt trauma (corses spring to mind). White Mages can pursue their relic club after Morgenstern, of course, but for pure, simple, undead-whooping Paladin DPS, the buck stops here.

Plus it's easy on the eyes. :)

Edited, Jul 26th 2006 at 6:08pm EDT by Reisner
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# Jul 24 2006 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Got mine this past weekend doing Moa Constrictors- which was INCREDIBLY easier than Contaminated Colleseum.

The easy part was getting the club. The hard part is going to be breaking the latent... :3
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Morgenstern
# Apr 12 2006 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Hope to get one of these soon. So pretties ^^
ToAU
# Mar 20 2006 at 1:51 AM Rating: Decent
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The Salaheem kitty has this (or something like it) in her hand in the ToAU trailer... Perhaps more of these types of clubs will be available...
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re
# Mar 06 2006 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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that doesnt matter! His name is FRANCISCO!
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Guildenstern
# Jan 03 2006 at 5:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Guildenstern was the final boss of Vagrant Story.
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# Nov 22 2005 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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OHHH Fransisco! Wow thats fun to say !_!
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Morgenstern not from Shakespeare
# Nov 07 2005 at 9:02 PM Rating: Good
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Morgenstern wrote the Princess Bride. Duh ^^
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name origin
# Oct 16 2005 at 12:59 AM Rating: Default
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Morgenstern is a character from Shakespeare. Now we just need a Rozencrantz to be paired up with it...tho I'm sure something with that name probably already exists.
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RE: name origin
# Oct 20 2005 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Actually the 2 shakespeare characters were Rozencrantz and Gildenstein
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RE: name origin
# Oct 18 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Morganstern was also Julian's horse, for all you fans of the Chronicles of Amber.

Buuuuuuuut I don't think the name was borrowed from there.
RE: name origin
# Oct 16 2005 at 5:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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The name from Shakespeare is Guildenstern. Similar, but not quite where this name came from.
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Translation
# Oct 15 2005 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Translates to Morningstar in German, I think.
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RE: Translation
# Nov 29 2005 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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and in fact the "morning star" or Morgenstern was an actual type of Renaissance German mace.
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RE: Translation
# Oct 17 2005 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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correct.
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RE: Translation
# Oct 17 2005 at 8:44 PM Rating: Default
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it translates to be "Morning Star", unless I am mistaken.
RE: Translation
# Oct 17 2005 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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gah, I'm an idiot. missed the first post.
Pic
# Oct 15 2005 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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i sent in a bunch of new stuff lets what goes up an what dosent

~.~ typo

Edited, Sat Oct 15 16:29:48 2005
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Latent.
# Oct 14 2005 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Latent is activated by earning 500 weaponskill points, same method as for WSNMs.
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RE: Latent.
# Jan 23 2006 at 4:34 AM Rating: Default
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Umm... the WS quests only require you to get 300 points. :P
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RE: Latent.
# Apr 02 2006 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Some require 300 (sword I know does) but some also require 500, I can't remember which off the top of my head but I know a few do.
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RE: Latent.
# May 07 2006 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, none of them do. All Trial weapons require 300 points.
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RE: Latent.
# Feb 24 2006 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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You are correct, but he said same METHOD. 500 WS points are required for this line of weapons.
RE: Latent.
# Oct 15 2005 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
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uhhhh T___T ???

"weaponskill points" ???
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RE: Latent.
# Oct 15 2005 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Weaponskill points come from Weaponskill quests, which are needed to "clear" the trial weapons, so that you can complete the quest (after 1 NM fight) that allows you to use the final weaponskill (relic weapons notwithstanding) available for each weapon.

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Morgenstern
# Oct 14 2005 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
ive wondered forever where the heck this beauty comes from......ever since i saw it on Model Viewer,now i know,and can get my crew together to get one
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