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I don't know why this is ever bought from AH
# Apr 11 2007 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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Since it's such a common drop and sold cheaply from merchants.
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Grass thread
# Jul 07 2006 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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How much do grass thread and cloth sell for a stack?
desynth
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while desynthing the hakimakis i got .2 whenever i skiled up at lv 6. when i did succeed i made HQ 2 or 3. Failure were realy not that bad as far as loss. i usually just lost the crystals. but i mostly needed to get rid of hakimaki while making more use out of them rather than vendoring htem.

out of the 24 hakimakis i had i recovered abou six stax of threads. lost lots of crystals but i started out with three stacks.



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Doesn't cap at 3
# Jul 11 2005 at 3:41 AM Rating: Decent
I was desynthing one of the Hachimakis I made, and I got a 0.1 level up on my clothcraft, (I'm level 8 btw). Interesting factoid thing.
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cape desynth
# May 07 2005 at 4:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I received a +.1 skillup from desynthing capes at level 6...
cape desynth
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cape desynth cap is wrong...it's not 1, i'm level 5 and got a skillup doing this...so the MINIMUM cap is 6
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I've been getting skillups at 5 as well. The cap is definately 6+.
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# Apr 21 2005 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Yield: 3 (Max: 6)
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This is the worst desynth i've ever tried out. Out of 20 tries (i should've stopped long time before) i succeed in 4 with lvl 2 clothcraft AND advanced image support on lightningsday! I know desynths are supposed to be harder than regular synths, but this just insane...
To my luck, it's not too expensive, my 16 failed only made -16k, but for the point that i didn't get a single skillup at all, i'm kinda disappointed. be aware of this receipe, i wouldn't suggest this unless you are a few lvls above and do it for grass threads, altho i wonder what you'd need them for if you're lvl 20+...

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Yagudo necklaces?
# Apr 05 2005 at 12:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a tad confused. On this page, it says you just use one necklace and a wind crystal and you can make several grass threads.

Yet, on the list of clothcraft recipies, it requires about 10 yagudo necklaces...

Which is the correct recipie?!
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RE: Yagudo necklaces?
# Nov 23 2005 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
All you need is 1 Yagudo Necklace and a wind crystal. It will desynth you 3 grass threads.
RE: Yagudo necklaces?
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Wind Crystals don't desynth... they carve ;) So I'm assuming that these necklaces are made from solid threads.
RE: Yagudo necklaces?
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Yagudo necklaces, oddly enough are a synth, not a desynth.

Desynths will say "Obtained". Necklaces don't do this when you use a wind crystal on them.

And at higher levels, they're a handy way to get thread- HQ/HQ2/HQ3 is 6,9,12 grass threads.
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Sitabaki
# Jan 14 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Sitabaki can be desynthed also for grass threads. I usually get about 6 from it, HQ gives 7 and HQ 2 gives cotton threads for some odd reason. It's strange
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Desynthing capes at level 2, and still no luck.
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I've tried five different times with capes that I made, I tried this, and each time it failed. My clothing skills are level 2 at the moment, and I've still had no luck, yet they say the cap for doing this is level 1. Anyone have any suggestions?
RE: Desynthing capes at level 2, and still no luck.
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I would so what the other two said. Wait until you have some more levels uder your skill before you get into desynthing. my cloth is at 5 and i can desynth most of the stuff here to make the thread. Its preaty much trial and error
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RE: Desynthing capes at level 2, and still no luck.
# Dec 23 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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the skill up cap for capes is around level 7
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RE: Desynthing capes at level 2, and still no luck.
# Dec 18 2004 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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well it depends on what you are trying to do. if you just want the grass thread then you should use the wind crystal + yagudo necklace recipe. if you are looking for skill ups, then dont start desynthing capes until you around level 6 or 7 clothcraft. I had a lot of problems with this desynth too, and i just decided not to do it until i got some more levels.

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Desynthing capes at level 2, and still no luck.
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I've tried five different times with capes that I made, I tried this, and each time it failed. My clothing skills are level 2 at the moment, and I've still had no luck, yet they say the cap for doing this is level 1. Anyone have any suggestions?
RE: Desynthing capes at level 2, and still no luck.
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yagudo necklaces
# Oct 11 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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It says the max threads you can get from yagudo necklaces is 6. I've done 12. I'm 66 clothcraft
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RE: yagudo necklaces
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I'm at LV 54 clothcraft and I got 9 from one today.
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I'd submit this myself but I don't have an email client set up on this computer. However I was desynthing the Hachimaki I had made (sell for beans and desynthing is fun) and I got a .2 skillup at 8.2. So they give skillups past 8 not till 3 as the site says.
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Agreed - 12 Threads
# Sep 24 2004 at 1:32 PM Rating: Default
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I've gotten 12 spools from a necklace one time. It was on lightsday, and I was making a bunch of grass cloth to synth something(I forget what it was now) on darksday. My skill was in the mid-twenties at the time.

Before that, I had hq'ed 6 or 9 spools several times each. The 12 spools was a very pleasant surprise.


I have also synthed 12 Grass Threads from a single yagudo necklace. Lately I have been averaging about 6 Threads %50 of the time and I have synthed 9 threads a few times as well.
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# Sep 02 2004 at 6:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I've gotten 7 from a cape before
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not level 1 cap
# Jul 11 2004 at 2:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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i just did a cape desynth and got +0.1 at level 5. also, i fail at desynthing 9/10 times. maybe it's much higher now?
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# Nov 14 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I just got .1 from desynthing a cape at lvl 7.9. I ran out of supplies to get the extra point, so I started desynthing and I got .1. o.O
That made me happy. I can now go on to my next synthesis. I had Mog Enh: Exp. faint light energy from 3 Mog Exp beds. I also had Advanced Synth support. Good luck and Happy Hunting :-)
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RE: not level 1 cap
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I've also had a +.2 skillup at lvl 5 from desynthing a cape to thread.
12 spools!
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I've gotten 12 spools from a necklace one time. It was on lightsday, and I was making a bunch of grass cloth to synth something(I forget what it was now) on darksday. My skill was in the mid-twenties at the time.

Before that, I had hq'ed 6 or 9 spools several times each. The 12 spools was a very pleasant surprise.
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5 spools from cape too
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yields 5 spools not 4
9 Threads
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One odd incident that I recall in Giddeus spun 9 threads from a Yagudo Bead Necklace. I figured it was just a super synth till I got 6 later on. Was wondering if there's an explanation for this.
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RE: 9 Threads
# Jun 20 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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HQ sync
normally u get 3 threads
hq-1 u get 6 threads
hq-2 u get 9 threads
not sure but i heard that u can get
hq-3 u get 12 threads
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RE: 9 Threads
# Jun 20 2004 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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whats HQ?
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RE: 9 Threads
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High Quality

the chance of a hq synth is proportional to your crafting level vs the cap.

easy version:
the more overkill your craft skill is, the better chance of extra stuff from it.
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Level Cap Changed to 1
# May 19 2004 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I tend to agree cwinebrinner, i started crafting these from 0 clothcraft and leveled to 1. Since then i have crafted over 50 necklaces to thread and never received another skillup. I believe the level cap for this item has changes to 1.
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RE: Level Cap Changed to 1
# May 30 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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this lvl 1(cap) for moko grass is not correct

I got some extra lighting crystals lying around when i got to the airship terminal. I decided to lvl up some clothcraft a bit. So i bought some Moko Grass. and my cloth was like 1 when i start the craft and i am to 3 now.
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# May 19 2004 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
A good cheap way to get started in clothcraft is to take a couple of stacks of both wind and earth crystals to Giddeus and kill yagudos. Take the yagudo bead necklaces dropped and synth with wind crystal to get 3 grass thread. Then take the 3 grass thread and synth with earth to get one grass cloth. By doing so you can turn 12 yagudo necklaces into a stack of grass cloth, turning a profit and upping your craft level at the same time!
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Quick Gil
# May 11 2004 at 5:36 PM Rating: Default
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I noticed a trick you can do that won't get your character deleted by the GMs because it's pretty much fair. All you need is the ability to port to Valkurm's outpost and back to your home nation.

Go to the Weavers' Guild in Selbina and buy as many stacks of grass threads as you can. Make sure they're under 50 gil each. Then go back to your Home Town and sell them for about 1.2k+ a stack.
RE: Quick Gil
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I noticed a trick you can do that won't get your character deleted by the GMs because it's pretty much fair. All you need is the ability to port to Valkurm's outpost and back to your home nation.


Huh? Since when buying low and selling high would get you deleted? This is one of the base tactics, buying things at vendors to sell at AH, and it's not only legal, it's vital to keeping some of the AHs stocked with goods.

Look at your bottom line. You pay 600 per stack, need to pay for your outpost port. If your nation doesn't have the control of the zone, you won't make enough mony for it to be worthwhile. If you have control, it's still what, 200 gil? your profit is 400 per stack, and you can only have 7 for sale. It's not a huge money maker, not even close.

You could have a mule in Windurst buy Windurst Tea Leaves from the sarutabaruta vendor for 140 a stack and sell for 500 in sandoria, more profit. You could have a character buy Rolanberries in Jeuno for 1200 a stack and sell them for 2k in sandoria. Standard trading.

For any serious crafter/farmer, a spot on the AH is not worth wasting for 200-400 gil profit, especially when you have stacks of materials that you need to sell at 15-30k.
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RE: Quick Gil
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I agree. I'm a THF45 on Garuda (one of the most expensive servers if not THE most expensive) and I use synthing in the field to compress inventory slots for longer trips. I'm used to posting stuff on the AH in jueno for no less than 12k a stack, then send stuff to mules that sells for 4-10k a stack. Anything less than about 2k/stack to me is a waste of space and if not autodropped on location is sold to NPCs.
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what detierminds what u get copper or thread
# May 07 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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just curious what detierminds what u get from this .... a copper or a grass kinda confused or is it all random
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RE: what detierminds what u get copper or thread
# Aug 08 2005 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Using a wind crystal on the necklace will get you grass spools; using a lightning crystal will get you a copper.
RE: what detierminds what u get copper or thread
# May 07 2004 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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and thats using a lightning crystal on a yagudo bead neckless
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Level cap?
# May 06 2004 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I crafted this item at least 30 times with Yagudo Necklaces and didn't even get a 0.1 increase in my clothcraft skill at Level 1, but I did get 6 threads a couple of times (at Level 1).
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# May 04 2004 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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You can also obtain 7 spools by using a lightning crystal on a cape. I've not done it, but my friend has. My attempts haven't been successful, yet, which leads me to believe the level cap for the recipe is above 10 (my current level is 5).
RE: another way
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That's not a synth, that's a desynth. Desynths have the marvelous particularity of having widly varying results. Even desynthing things that cap 20 points below my level can get me to fail 3-4 times in a row.

Best for normal results is watersday in my experience (i keep stats). Best for HQ1,2,3 is lightsday, altough I don't have as much data as on neutral/waterday for desynths.
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Lvl Cap
# Apr 17 2004 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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My experience in crafting grass thread is that 1 wind crystal + yagudo necklace.
If u add those 3 grass thread + 1 earth crystal you will get 1 grass cloth.
This is a good way for new beginners to start synthing. This will bring you to lvl cap of 4.If you harvest yagudo necklace's (Giddeus is best place) then cost of items is 0 (not including crystals). If you save all thread and cloth then you can use that for future lvl'n.


Edited, Thu Jun 17 13:49:56 2004
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where in AH?
# Apr 03 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I cant find this at auction house either, anyone know what its listed under?
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wind+yag
# Feb 23 2004 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
wind plus yagudo necklace only nets 3 spools of grass thread not 6.
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RE: wind+yag
# Jun 17 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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these can net 6 if you get a high quality synth. High quality synth is based on ur lvl compared to cap lvl, day of synth, moonphase and other variables I am forgetting atm.
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The lightning recepie appers to cap at 3
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sell
# Feb 03 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
how much do these sell for?
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# Jan 21 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Default
Also sold at the guild outpost in Selbina
Help
# Jan 13 2004 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
What category is grass thread in the auction house?
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agreed... necklace + wind crystal = 3 thread, done it many times
yield varies
# Dec 30 2003 at 1:46 AM Rating: Default
it's weird, i saw a Japanese person use a yagudo necklace and make 6 grass threads, but whenever i try, i always get three... is it perhaps a clothcraft skill difference?
RE: yield varies
# Jan 09 2004 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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The reason why some get a yield of 6 is because they had, basically, an amazing success during the crafting which can be identifiable by the longer more dramatic graphics and sound of the crafting. I think this amazing success can also attribute to the +1 version of items. Of course this is all based off of what I have seen and having one of the amazing successes happen to myself while making grass thread out of the necklace. So I could be wrong with the +1 items. No doubt the time, element, and phase of the moon greatly effect if this happens or not and its possible skill does as well.
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RE: yield varies
# Jun 16 2004 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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You are correct. With Desynths an exceptional result increases the return of the item.
Since Ex results are broken down into 3 tiers and 2 types, they can be identified by the step inwhich they are on the ladder as to the amount of stat increase or quantity increase that they provide.
Please note: most items only have a teir 1 exceptional result.

the two primary Ex results are Quality, and Quantity. Quality is the one that everyone is familiar with and everyone understands. Quantity is more confusing because most ppl don't actually pay attention to it.
Now when doing a desynth pay attention to your normal result. You should find that (such as this item) there is a constant amount you get (3). However, if you get a Teir 1 result, in the case of this (and most items) the quantity increases (goes to 6 in our example). Each increase is different by each item. Examples of items that have Teir 3 Ex results would be Potions and Hi-Potions. Though the results are not outstanding, they do give you an idea of how it works. Now getting Ex results from your crafting is another story all together, but just to add more fuel to the fire, not it is not completely random, there is infact a strategy to it. So go find it if you can:)

Please note: at this time Allakhazam does not appear to display Ex results for items that increase in quantity. My guess is that is because ppl are just stumbling into them in the common place. We should see more listings for this in the future for different items (I have sent in a request to update the page to reflect the Ex result).
Yield 6???
# Dec 29 2003 at 10:01 PM Rating: Default
Yeah, I thought the Yield is also only 3, not 6.
6 from necklace
# Dec 10 2003 at 6:50 PM Rating: Default
just got a 6 thread success from the necklace recipe.

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Grass Thread
# Nov 24 2003 at 10:57 AM Rating: Default
The guide i have says that Grass thread is made from Lightning Crystal + Moko Grass (2)... is this an additional recipe, or is mine/yours a correction to the other?
RE: Grass Thread
# Dec 05 2003 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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That's correct.

It's level 0 craft. 2 Mako Grasses + Lightening Crystal = 1 Grass Thread.

- The grass is cheap, but the crystals can net more money. Just a note.
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Yield is 3 for Necklaces
# Nov 18 2003 at 5:13 PM Rating: Default
The yield is 3 Grass threads for one Necklace and Wind Crystal. And its called a Lightning crystal not thunder. Just to avoid any confusion the new folk may have in reading this.
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