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hey i was talking to my friend he said would red mage really be good if they did not have refreash and i said yea he would have de buffs then my friend said ninja could do that job with his ninja spells like Kurayami: Ichi , Hojo: Ichi , Dokumori: Ichi , Jubaku: Ichi so i said hmmm. So now im asking other Red mage out there so what would red mage be with no refreash please help.
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RDM 75 server:Bahamut
name(charter):Ravin
play on: Xbox 360 gamer tag:CMG SAG
Best Friend: Tiky Sheshe Omadon
1/5 on Maat
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Posted: Jun 14th 2007 6:54pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Properly equipped, RDM slow and paralyze are significantly more potent than the corresponding ninjutsu debuffs. The most reliable Silence available and the most spammable Dispel (as opposed to BRD and COR with a recast of ~forever) allows a RDM to pull the fangs of a very wide variety of potential XP mobs better than any other job.
RDM is also among the most capable of XP main healers available with haste/regen/full line of cures through 4, and Convert to keep the MP going.
When you say 'good' it's sounding like you mean in XP. So my answer is yes, even without Refresh RDM would be good. But no one would invite RDMs without refresh because people are dumb.
RDM is also among the most capable of XP main healers available with haste/regen/full line of cures through 4, and Convert to keep the MP going.
When you say 'good' it's sounding like you mean in XP. So my answer is yes, even without Refresh RDM would be good. But no one would invite RDMs without refresh because people are dumb.
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Posted: Jun 14th 2007 7:03pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
What would RDM be without Refreash?
LFP.
Sad, but true.
BTW tell your friend to have fun whiffing or hitting for zeros when he finds out he can't dispel the mob's buffs.
LFP.
Sad, but true.
BTW tell your friend to have fun whiffing or hitting for zeros when he finds out he can't dispel the mob's buffs.
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Posted: Jun 14th 2007 11:58pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Posted: Jun 15th 2007 3:12am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Posted: Jun 15th 2007 5:39am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Are they any RDM's here that experienced the era of no refresh/convert?
You are lvl57. You have SOME idea of how :good: RDM is without refresh.
I can tell you that I spent many a night LFPing my butt off til 41. Refresh IMO is the source of our strength. This spells makes things like soloing a God possible, or an NM. Sure you could probably do that without refresh but then you will need to rely on Sleep and then you'd have to rest a lot oh then hope the sleep proc is 100% and not half resisted. Gravity, bind? More MP usage - no refresh.
ACK @_@
You are lvl57. You have SOME idea of how :good: RDM is without refresh.
I can tell you that I spent many a night LFPing my butt off til 41. Refresh IMO is the source of our strength. This spells makes things like soloing a God possible, or an NM. Sure you could probably do that without refresh but then you will need to rely on Sleep and then you'd have to rest a lot oh then hope the sleep proc is 100% and not half resisted. Gravity, bind? More MP usage - no refresh.
ACK @_@
I think the issue is that all RDMs know how good the job can be, despite most others only wanting us for somewhat limted reasons (in exp certainly, at 75 events open the job up to more interesting possibilities.
The job isnt invincible or perfect as some non Red Mages percieve. Yes we can solo certain things others struggle with, though these are often huge endurance battles, we dont so much kill, just outlast.
This becomes an issue for me only when you consider our core comptencies: Enfeebling and Enhancing magic (our only pure specialities on paper) are somewhat flawed when considering other non-support role jobs' ability to enfeeble/enhance (WHM BLM NIN and BLU come into mind) certainly for lower monsters.
One other slight negative to consider: Would a melee fighter have to put so much effort into having the accuracy and potency to hit a God as we would to simply land a spell with a respectable proc rate on the same mob?
However, you are somewhat correct. Minus Refresh, our Exclusive spells dont mean as much as they should in general play/exp grind. Outside of that restrictive plain, we can actually feel useful :) Yes it takes alot of effort and a sh*t load of gear to make what we should naturally excel in work effectivley, but imo, its worth it. Refresh or no.
Edited, Jun 15th 2007 9:05am by OneFromSilverLight
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The job isnt invincible or perfect as some non Red Mages percieve. Yes we can solo certain things others struggle with, though these are often huge endurance battles, we dont so much kill, just outlast.
This becomes an issue for me only when you consider our core comptencies: Enfeebling and Enhancing magic (our only pure specialities on paper) are somewhat flawed when considering other non-support role jobs' ability to enfeeble/enhance (WHM BLM NIN and BLU come into mind) certainly for lower monsters.
One other slight negative to consider: Would a melee fighter have to put so much effort into having the accuracy and potency to hit a God as we would to simply land a spell with a respectable proc rate on the same mob?
However, you are somewhat correct. Minus Refresh, our Exclusive spells dont mean as much as they should in general play/exp grind. Outside of that restrictive plain, we can actually feel useful :) Yes it takes alot of effort and a sh*t load of gear to make what we should naturally excel in work effectivley, but imo, its worth it. Refresh or no.
Edited, Jun 15th 2007 9:05am by OneFromSilverLight
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Posted: Jun 15th 2007 6:38am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
The problem with enfeebling magic is that if they made it scale equal to melee dmg we would be the end all of every fight. Imagine if you could stack so much enf+ and MND that para would proc 90% of the time. That mob would be as good as dead. Or if slow could be boosted to something like 60% and always landed. Blind? Gravity? all of these spells if made too powerful would really destroy the need for any other job.
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Posted: Jun 15th 2007 6:40am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Zaleshea wrote:
Are they any RDM's here that experienced the era of no refresh/convert?
You are lvl57. You have SOME idea of how :good: RDM is without refresh.
I can tell you that I spent many a night LFPing my butt off til 41. Refresh IMO is the source of our strength. This spells makes things like soloing a God possible, or an NM. Sure you could probably do that without refresh but then you will need to rely on Sleep and then you'd have to rest a lot oh then hope the sleep proc is 100% and not half resisted. Gravity, bind? More MP usage - no refresh.
ACK @_@
You are lvl57. You have SOME idea of how :good: RDM is without refresh.
I can tell you that I spent many a night LFPing my butt off til 41. Refresh IMO is the source of our strength. This spells makes things like soloing a God possible, or an NM. Sure you could probably do that without refresh but then you will need to rely on Sleep and then you'd have to rest a lot oh then hope the sleep proc is 100% and not half resisted. Gravity, bind? More MP usage - no refresh.
ACK @_@
Or buy more drinks than usual.
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Posted: Jun 15th 2007 6:47am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Ask your nin friend if he would be all that good without Utsusemi.
Posted: Jun 15th 2007 7:46am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Someone said I would hate rdm after refresh.
I must say I LOVE the refresh cycles and the difficulty that poses doing the other things in between and making sure I can last from CONVERT to CONVERT <- On topic, a rdm w/o refresh would be a rdm with convert. True on the LFP part though...
I must say I LOVE the refresh cycles and the difficulty that poses doing the other things in between and making sure I can last from CONVERT to CONVERT <- On topic, a rdm w/o refresh would be a rdm with convert. True on the LFP part though...
Posted: Jun 15th 2007 8:43am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
There's more to debuffs than just blind, slow, poison and paralyze. Don't forget Dispel, Silence, Gravity & Bind to handle links/adds, Sleep, and Dia II or Dia III. Also, RDM have fast cast so the spells get out much quicker, and the recast on most of these spells is low enough that we can cast them repeatedly.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2007 1:31pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
"Ask your nin friend if he would be all that good without Utsusemi."
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Posted: Jun 25th 2007 1:45pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Refresh>Ninja
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'RDM75 'DRK75 'NIN71 'BLU64 Someone wrote:
No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
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