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The Rivalry/The Competition  

Submitted by:Stephen Trawnik
Realm:San d'Oria
Start Area: Port San d'Oria
Start NPC:Gallijaux (H - 8)
Type:General
Related Mobs:Gallijaux (H - 8)
Joulet (H - 8)
Min Level:1
Max Level:75
Grants Gil:10
Rating
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Items Required:Moat Carp
Title Obtained:Carp Diem
Items Granted:Lu Shang's Fishing Rod
Last Updated: Sun Mar 17 22:39:42 2013

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Summary

Gather carp by any means possible so Gallijaux can win a fishing contest against his little brother, Joulet.

Walkthrough

You can catch Moat Carps in any main city/country moat using Insect Ball Paste as your lure. You can also buy the Moat Carps off of the auction house, under Food > Fish.

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Testimonial...
# May 12 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Along with Lu Shang's, you get the key item, Testimonial, for doing this quest.

Testimonial:
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"This certifies that you have gathered no less than ten thousand carp. Please spend your time in a manner more beneficial to society. Your achievement is noteworthy for it's utter lack of meaning."

With heartfelt disapproval,
Gallijaux & Joulet


Nice one SE :) I got my Lu Shang's on my birthday this year. Makes me feel great about all the hard work I put into it. Lmao Oh well, here's to anyone else crazy enough to do this quest!! Cheers!

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Testimonial...
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Yay! My first double post!!

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Only Moat Carp?
# Mar 30 2009 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I could have sworn I read somewhere that he accepts other types of carp. Does anybody have a verification of this, or does he really only accept Moat Carp?

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Only Moat Carp?
# Apr 26 2009 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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he accepts forest carp too
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# Mar 27 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Default
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i making plenty of gill not cathing many moat carp but the gold carp(300g NPC) is keeping well in the gil crayfish(10g NPC) pay for my bait and the tricolored carp(52g NPC) good spending gil
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How many fish?
# Sep 05 2008 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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Simply put, how many Moat Carp must I trade to him for the rod?
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How many fish?
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# May 02 2008 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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btw it's the girl NPC behind Gallijaux (Ufanne) that tells you actual number of fish you've turned in, not Joulet (his brother).
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worthwhile for fame?
# Feb 21 2008 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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does anyone have an idea how much fame obtaining lu Shang's will get you?

For example, if you had NO fame in sandy, and then turned in all ten thousand carp, would it raise you several levels? I'm trying to gauge how worthwhile the quest would be solely in regard to fame.
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Math a little off?
# Aug 22 2007 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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If it takes approx 833 stacks of moat carp to obtain the lu shang's..

with insect balls at 600 gil per stack ..

600 gil x 883 stacks of fish is just under 50k.



Thats 500,000k, not 50.
Math a little off?
# Aug 29 2007 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I think you misunderstand o.O
k = thousand
50k = Fifty Thousand [50 Thousand]

So, what you just said, 500,000k, would be, 500,000,000...or 500 Million...

Anyway, 50k is 50,000 Gil, so the math was fine...
Math a little off?
# Oct 06 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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KiyoWolf wrote:
I think you misunderstand o.O

Anyway, 50k is 50,000 Gil, so the math was fine...



While his notation was correct, you did fail there as the calculation comes out to 529,800. Not 50,000. So he was right, just accidentally put the k afterward.
Way cheaper to fish it
# Jun 18 2007 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Even with moatcarp only going for 3k on gilgamesh these days... there's no way that buying it with moat carp or buying it outright is cheaper than fishing it.

If it takes approx 833 stacks of moat carp to obtain the lu shang's..

with insect balls at 600 gil per stack ..

600 gil x 883 stacks of fish is just under 50k.

If you bought all those moat carps and turn them in at 3k per stack...

3000 gil x 833 stacks of fish = just under 2.5 million dollars for the rod.

Get a bamboo pole and and insect paste and fish a couple stacks in the morning before work at Knightwell pond and before you know it you'll have your rod.

I made a million gil just fishing carp on a mule. It couldn't be easier. And it's more stable than tele'ing or farming because there are no variables, it's always there, and the pond never runs dry.

It's without a doubt the best most stable money making endevor in final fantasy. Whether or not you do lu shangs is up to you.

I personally traded in half of everything I fished. That way i made money but i worked towards the rod as well.

How to catch more then ~200
# Feb 11 2007 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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When I have to work at night I catch around 600 fish a shift then at home fishing And I can teach you all how with this great technique I learned from the fish botters.

First you start a mule, You give that mule a fishing rod and 18 stacks of insect paste, You fish your days limit, You send all your fish the fishing rod to your host character, the one you want to get the rod and key item, You delete that mule and start another one, you go back to your host character and send them the fishing rod and another 18 stacks of bait... You all get my point.

Though I have to admit to you all that this is VERY boring and VERY hard on your patience as fishing at level 0 fishing is a lot harder then fishing on your generally higher skilled host character.

Been fishing for a rather short time in comparison with my new character on Remora and have nearly 4000 fish Can't wait to get this rod, No more damned moat carp and damned insect paste filling my inventory.
How to catch more then ~200
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You don't have to delete the mule, you just switch off as one gets tired.

I've thought about this as well, but the time per day is just nuts, even if you don't fish to exhaustion each time.
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How to catch more then ~200
# Feb 12 2007 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I generally do this at work, that's 8 hours and takes me about 4 hours to fish up the cap for one character when doing it while working, Then come home and play for another few hours before sleep if people are not occupying my time, And still have to delete the mule since Both characters are at cap and want to fish more before bed.

I can't imagine wasting an entire day doing absolutely nothing but fishing, A waste of a day off I'd say since farming money might be faster if you can actively play and I can't really do that at work, dropping in a line then crunching some numbers is easy though :)
Total given
# Dec 24 2006 at 2:34 AM Rating: Decent
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OK just started this quest today and after handing in around about 60 carp he told me he had 11105 carps. Errrr how am I supposed to keep a track on how many i will have left later on if he doesnt start on zero.
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Behind the brothers, there is an NPC named Ufanne. Talk to her and she will tell you how many fish you have turned into the brother you are helping.
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Pond in Rolandberry Fields for Moaties
# Aug 31 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Double Post, sorry

Edited, Aug 31st 2006 at 6:04pm EDT by Nuknel

Edited, Aug 31st 2006 at 6:10pm EDT by Nuknel
Pond in Rolandberry Fields for Moaties
# Aug 31 2006 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a level 56 fisherman but still need 4000 more moat carp to get Lu Shang's rod. After I hit level 56 (Hume and/or Halcyon Rod in Windurst Waters catching Moats and Gold Carp for skill), I decided to search out a place where I could catch Moat Carp only. A friend advised me that the small pond in Rolandberry Fields was a Moat Carp only spot with a good bite rate. I always use insect paste for bait. Here's my results from a couple of nights of fishing at this pond.

Night One
11 Stacks of Bait (132 casts) yeilded 116 Moat Carp using a Hume Rod.
I cancelled all !!! (16) because they were monstors and I fished up 2 Rusty Subligar and 2 Rusty Leggins

Night Two
11 Stacks of Bait (132 casts) yeilded 105 Moat Carp again with the Hume Rod.

I do not know precise moon phase but first night was just after a full moon and the next night the moon was near 50%

Also, the first night I had more time to fish and I was able to catch 199 moat carp before fatigue set in.

I'm pretty satisfied with this spot, I'm using the Outpost Warp from the Marshlands to get back and forth between Windy and Rolandberry and Outpost Warp to Ronfare to turn my fish in.
I'd be interested in similar stats from Knightswell, I'm gonna try it with my Mule, fishing skill 5 and see if ratio of Moat Carp to Monster is similar.

My goal is to catch the remaining 4000 Moat Carp in Sept. and be back to skilling up fishing with a LuShang's Rod in Oct. Wish Me Luck.
Pond in Rolandberry Fields for Moaties
# Nov 11 2006 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I've actually had GREAT success with the lake in West Ronfaure.

With Halcyon Rod and 5 stacks of insect balls, came away with 4 stacks and 10 singles of moat carp. The other two were rusty items. I had about 3 monster/log hits, too, but I canceled and reeled in my line.

Good luck to all of us who attempt this insane quest!
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Pond in Rolandberry Fields for Moaties
# Nov 22 2006 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the information.
Just an FYI: Items do not use up a bait, only Monsters use up a bait. Or if you snap a line/break a rod on a Arrowwood Log.
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# Jun 06 2006 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
christ lil laggy.. triple post sorry
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Actually it was a quadruple post >.<

But now I'm picking the pepper from the fly sh*t...
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# Jul 12 2006 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
I have turned in 102,800 + moat carp and still havent gotten the rod- can anyone help me?
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# Jun 06 2006 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
ok im not 100% sure on this.. but ive heard rumors that when joulet gives u how many fish he has ex) (79,996)... now they say if i give them the last 4 fish = 10k... and im suppose to get lu shangs.. now im not 100% sure on that cuz there is a guy behind them that is saying my fish count is 1337.. yes i said it 1337! best number in video games haha... if u can confirm that this isnt true.. it would save me alot of time lol.. thnx
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# Jun 06 2006 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
ok im not 100% sure on this.. but ive heard rumors that when joulet gives u how many fish he has ex) (79,996)... now they say if i give them the last 4 fish = 10k... and im suppose to get lu shangs.. now im not 100% sure on that cuz there is a guy behind them that is saying my fish count is 1337.. yes i said it 1337! best number in video games haha... if u can confirm that this isnt true.. it would save me alot of time lol.. thnx
100%
# Jun 06 2006 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
ok im not 100% sure on this.. but ive heard rumors that when joulet gives u how many fish he has ex) (79,996)... now they say if i give them the last 4 fish = 10k... and im suppose to get lu shangs.. now im not 100% sure on that cuz there is a guy behind them that is saying my fish count is 1337.. yes i said it 1337! best number in video games haha... if u can confirm that this isnt true.. it would save me alot of time lol.. thnx
100%
# Jun 06 2006 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
ok im not 100% sure on this.. but ive heard rumors that when joulet gives u how many fish he has ex) (79,996)... now they say if i give them the last 4 fish = 10k... and im suppose to get lu shangs.. now im not 100% sure on that cuz there is a guy behind them that is saying my fish count is 1337.. yes i said it 1337! best number in video games haha... if u can confirm that this isnt true.. it would save me alot of time lol.. thnx
rod is worth a lot more now
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K i fish when i can but not all the time and i am no expert but the lu rod has gone up in price a lot one post say it was 5mil well it is now 15 mil on lakshmi and the moat carp is 10k a stack so with that i will let you work it out if it is profitable or not.
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# May 12 2006 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
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#Secretiveslayer, Posted: May 05 2006 at 6:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok.. so ive been reading this thread. Ive noticed alot of math on what it would cost to by all the carp you need, but none on hoe lomg it would take to fish them all yourself. Asumming you have the patients to catch the 200 daily the math would go a little like this.
RE: here fish fish fishy
# May 18 2006 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Better loop hole. If you have a mule, you can catch 200 on your mule too. One problem with this is that skilling catching the fish would be more tedious and time consuming on a mule. My mule with fishing skill of 1, cause that's all he's gotten from fishing up more then 100 carp. takes a while to real one in and then a long fight. I can catch 2-3 stacks in an hour. We're as my main with 23 fishing skill hooks one and reels it in a 3rd the time it takes my mule. So, if you have the patience to lvl your mules fishing skill to the moat carp cap. You can use that to fish 400, 600, 800, or even 1000 carp a day depending on how many mules you have.
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# May 17 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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But there is a loop hole. Since your count is reset midnight japan time it is possible to catch 400 a day depending on where you live.So keeping that in mind you would only have to spend 25 days fishing for these.


Actually it would take 50 days. From what I read, you're basically thinking that while living in the east coast of the US, you can wake up early fish up 200, wait for JP midnight fish another 200 for 400 total. Then go to bed, wake up and repeat.

You're forgetting that the next day when you wake up, the count is still active and you still have to wait for JP midnight, resulting in that you can only fish 200 before you go to bed.
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# Apr 22 2006 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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not a very good money making quest. i hope the fishing pole reward is worth it. a little worm costs 4g, the quest gives you 10g per moat carp, thats only 6g profit. with the failure rate and the time it takes to catch each fish, fighting is still your best bet for cash even as a new player like me. perhaps there is a way to raise charisma to get them cheaper? not really sure what fame does.

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# Feb 18 2006 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
Best place to fish moat carp is Bastok Markets. There's no need to spend the extra money on insect paste because all you need is little worms. Less money + All the moat carp you can catch = Best Spot.
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# Feb 20 2006 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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erm, not to my knowledge, but I'm not giving up my spot, but 23/24 catchs are moat carp, and I use yew rod, and I haven't broken one for months.

and little worms attract more than just moat carp, lol, like tricolour carp, crayfish, etc. lol

and insect paste, recomended bait, and yew rod, but don't fish in citys, you get large fish that will break your rod.

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WOW, Moat Carp for 20,000 gil a stack on Fairy.

Ain't it great to be a fisherman... :)
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RE: Price of Moat Carp
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hi fairy, they have been going for 20k a stack over on carby too. its funny how valuable moat carp have become. i remmember when gold carp were worth 2-3 times more, not less then moat.
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ouch at those price, 20k a stack.
lu shang rod will be expensive

10000 / 12 = 833 (9996 actually, but for this calculation we loose 4 fish)

833 x 20,000 = 16,660,000 gil

its cheaper to sell the carp and pay 10million for one, lol
thats the price on titan today, lol
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You lost 4 fish :(
RE: Price of Moat Carp
# Jul 10 2006 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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you do realize this is one of the best fishing rods ig and it can be used to fish up very expensive fish very easily, right? It would make more sense to do this quest for the purpose of actually using rather than just selling the rod.
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thats assuming you buy them all rather then fishing them up which is much less expensive but more time consuming
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# Jan 10 2006 at 3:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I fish these puppies all the time. And in my experience, there are really only two rod/bait combinations that can drag them up efficiently, and only two locations worth fishing at.

My favorite combination is the Halcyon Rod with Insect Paste at Knightwell Pond, which is in West Ronfaure. If you fish there with this bait, you'll get only carp. Which is a good thing. They bite on little worms too, but chances are that you'll get more crayfish than carp if you use that.

One thing about Knightwell: cancel ANY catches you get that end in ‘!!!’. It’s either a mob or an Arrowwood Log, both of which can snap this baby like a twig.

Halcyon Rod has a bonus for novice fishermen too: it's a composite rod, so it can keep that fish on the hook longer than a wooden rod can. That gives you plenty of room to perfect your technique.

The other combination that I've used is so-so. Hume Fishing Rod, Insect Paste, Windurst Waters. This rod's wooden, so you can tire the fish easier. But it can't hold it on the line for as long as the Halcyon, and Moat Carp aren't exactly hard to out-muscle.

The location’s good, because the zone for Port Windurst and the Fishing Guild is all of two feet away; that means easy access to bait if you can’t make your own.

But, the Hume Rod has a chance of breaking if you hook a Gold Carp or a Rusty item. (I think anyway. I snapped mine twice early on.) Which is unfortunate. On Carbuncle, Rusty Subligars are going for 10k in Bastok.

The Halcyon can reel in both with ease, and considering that I successfully snagged my first Gold Carp at level 9, that’s saying something.

I noticed that I skilled faster when using the Hume Rod, though. Not sure if that’s been professionally proven, but that’s what I noticed.

Oh well. That’s my two cents anyway.
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# Nov 24 2006 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I would not call that efficient. Little worm go for 4 gil a peice, and if you have some skill in fishing (20+) you rarely catch crayfish.

Saying hume & insect paste is "so-so" seems a little off too me, wooden rods catch fish faster than synthetics. People want to get lu's as fast as possible, so wooden seems the way to go.

Gold carp have never been anything hard for me, I caught a few of them with lvl 3 fishing and no skill+ gear, my rod was bamboo. Rusty items are also not too much of a threat, in Windurst Woods (my fave town fishing spot) the only rusty items you seem to get are leggings and buckets, both of which won't break rods too easy. I pick woods because I find copper rings very annoying, and there is an items shop that sells little worms.

Too fishing my boring writing off, you were skilling up on hume rod faster because it tires fish faster and increases catch rate. For those looking for the fastest catch rate possible, try out a bamboo rod but I warn you, you should have fishing at 16+ otherwise the rod stands a good chance at breaking.
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# Nov 22 2005 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I started on this quest with my mule, 1 stack in less than thirty minutes ... how sad. Stupid Tricolor carp were a bother... but, I plan to get this rod by sometime next year >.> to sell of course cause probably by that time I'll manage level 50 XD {I'm talking way into next year too}
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# Oct 27 2005 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok moat carp goes for 7k on shiva server. Multiply that by the 833 stacks required for the 10k moat carp, comes to a little bit over 5 million. Lu Shang's Rod sells for aproximately 5 million. Why do this quest, unless your an avid fisher, if your just gonna sell the rod anyway, when you can make more selling the carp on AH? I like money now rather than money later. I'm sorry IMO this quest is useless unless you plan to have fishing as your main craft.
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# Oct 30 2005 at 4:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Ever think that SE made this quest so the person doing it would actually use the rod?
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RE: Whats the point?
# Nov 04 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
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Notice I said, "Unless you intend on making fishing your main craft," its useless. Personally at low levels like I am, fishing is profitable to just sell the moat carp as soon as you get them, 14-21k in 30 minutes is very good at low levels.
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# Mar 21 2006 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I could be wrong about this. However I'm pretty sure I'm right. The fishing skill is compleatly sepreat from all other skills even though its in the 'skills' list. I do not think that its levels effect any of the other crafts. If someone can prove me right or wrong I'd like to know, please leave a reply...
Repeatable?
# Oct 26 2005 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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So is this quest repeatable?
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# Dec 29 2005 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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No, this quest is not repeatable. You can only do it once per character. Aka, if you turn in another 10k moat carps (for 20k total) you still won't get another rod.
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# Sep 25 2005 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Rabao is pretty good for Moat Carp. Insect paste! Occasional sandfish - 4k stack. AH is close as well as Nomad moogle.

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A stack of moat carp on Siren is 4-5k.
10000 * 5000 = 5 million
5000000 - 50000(from 10G earnings for each fish) = 4500000
The rod sells for 4 million. Not only is there not enough moat carp in the auction house, it will take months to fish enough carp if you play a reasonable ammount.
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I understand what you're trying to do, and I appreciate the effort. That begin said, You're math is wanting.

If stack of 12 Moat Carp sells for 5k.
and you need 10,000 Moat Carp, then the math goes something like this:

10000(Moat Carp)/12 = 833 (Discounting the .33)
833 * 5000 = 4165000 (gil)
4165000 - 50000 (Gil reward per fish) = 4115000

IMHO Still only worth it to fishermen/women who are looking to go after big game. If ur looking to make gil quick this is not for you.
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Did they make it so the person by the fishers doesn't tell you how many you've turned in anymore? I'm sending all my carps to my elvan who has no fame exept that from this quest so could it be that you need a certain ammount of fame for her to tell you? Also my elvan's fishing is 0 so could that be it?

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RE: Strategies for Getting the Rod...
# Aug 18 2005 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I posted this on the Trade Skill forum and thought it would be useful to include the link on this board:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=24&mid=112318774319370546&num=3

This write-up has some of the strategies I used when completing the quest to get this rod...hopefully it helps! :-)
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re: 10 gil a fish
# Aug 18 2005 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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10 gil per fish isnt too bad since it cost way less than 100 gil to make a stack of insect paste.

cook 55 and i make insect paste always when i fish
RE: re: 10 gil a fish
# Aug 28 2005 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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with the price of crystals (which has gone down) these days I'd say it takes about 120 to 133 gil per stack (unless you're lucky and you find some corn for cheeper than normal and stock up)

and annother thing is if you say you can make a profit by faming crystals it's not really profit because you could just sell the ingredients unless you're lvling the craft.
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best way to fish these guys
# Aug 12 2005 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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1. Buy a fast water rod

2. If you are a cook make your own insect paste

3. go to port sandy with 8 open slots (more the better)

4. Fish

5. Pray that you have an emulator to keep you busy...

6. after about an hour, or as much as you can stand, you should have a few good stacks of moat carp, tricolored carp, and a few holy gold carp.

And that's how i got to 350 in 3 hours...and pretty much got my money back for the bait i made.
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RE: best way to fish these guys
# Aug 19 2005 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I assume this post is based on a strategy you used prior to the fishing updates several months ago?

1) Hume Rod is less likely to break than fastwater.

2) This is the only way to go, saves tons of money on bait costs. If you garden your own corn it helps a lot too.

3) Unless you want all the junk fish in Port sandy Knightswell in West Ron. is much better, with insect paste all you'll catch is moat carp.

4) ok

5) I personally could not play another game while trying to fish with the new update, but i can still watch TV.

6) 350 fish in 3 hours is not possible under the new system. First, the most you can catch of moat carp in one day is ~200, and then you get fatigue. Other fish types allow less per day so 350 a day is not even feasable. That being said, fatigue is reset at midnight Japan time, so, if u fished through that you could do it, but not in 3 hours. That's almost 2 fish per minute with no losses.

Anyway, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea about how long this quest takes. This is a very time consuming quest, but is well worth it if you are serious about fishing. good luck to all who try.

Edit: Well i guess you get rated down on this site for sound advice. I'm not saying the OP's advice won't work, but with a 200 fish per day limit, I personally chose to stick with somewhere I would catch moat carp only.


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RE: best way to fish these guys
# Aug 19 2005 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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i saw just forget the quest and but a hylcon rod , the cement alcamy made one i been useing it and catching fifh 40-50 levels above me and it wont break
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Repeatable? No
# Aug 06 2005 at 6:20 PM Rating: Default
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Quest is not repeatable.

hehe, just in case there is anyone that might actually do this twice.... not that that's me or anything....

:)
RE: Repeatable? No
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Quest is not repeatable.

hehe, just in case there is anyone that might actually do this twice.... not that that's me or anything....

:)


If you mean this quest is not repeatable in the sense that you want to get ANOTHER Lu Shang's, then you are right, if not you can repeat it for 10k moat carps up until you get Lu Shang's.

Just thought a little clarification is good for those who have not started on this quest.
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RE: Repeatable? No
# Dec 29 2005 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
If you mean this quest is not repeatable in the sense that you want to get ANOTHER Lu Shang's, then you are right, if not you can repeat it for 10k moat carps up until you get Lu Shang's.

Just thought a little clarification is good for those who have not started on this quest.
And just to clarify the clarification... No, this quest is not repeatable. You can only do it once per character. Aka, if you turn in another 10k moat carps (for 20k total) you still won't get another rod.
If you need to do it again just create a mule on the same account in sandoria and send the fish there.
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The Competition
# Jun 13 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's a math problem for you:
I just started this quest and am fishing for moat carp using little worms. I know I get a bunch of crayfish and tricolored carp, and who knows what else, but here's what I figure...
I used four stacks of insect paste and got the following:
25 moat carp (10gil each from quest)
18 tricolored carp (53 each gil from NPC)
Insect paste costs about 700gil a stack on unicorn, so if I do this enough to get 10000 moat carp, I'll have lost 78,400gil. (I'll let you check my math.) Not bad for the Lu Shang's rod, but here's another thought...
I used four stacks of little worms (36 gil a stack NPC in San d'Oria) and got the following:
18 moat carp
8 tricolored carp
1 gold carp (6k a stack in AH)
17 crayfish (1k a stack in AH)
I turned in the moat carp for the quest, sold the tricolored carp to an NPC, and am selling the others in the AH. Now, you can check my math on this, but if you use enough little worms to get 10000 moat carp, you will have made a profit of roughly 1,200,000 gil (not to mention the long sought-after Lu Shang's rod). It might take a little more time, but that's a huge profit! Plus, I get a lot of reading and junk done while fishing, so I'm not completely wasting my time. Good luck!
RE: The Competition
# Aug 20 2005 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Fishing was my first guild when i started playing because it was soo cheap. I stumbled upon this quest when i was around fishing lvl 10. I first thought it was very conveint that you are able to catch the carp in the port and buy little worms from a NCP in south sandy, but tricolored and gold carp where lvling me up and weren't selling fast enough in AH. I ended up with a lvl 56 fishing and gave up on the quest around 3000 carp. A year after farming, (and a update making V.Emp's drop Rare/Ex) I came back to fishing and decided to get Lu's rod. I heard rumors about Knightswell being such a good spot, i thought i would try it out.

ITo test the spot i first went with 6 stacks of insect paste and 6 stacks of little worms with a Fastwater rod.

Out of my little worms stacks i got:
1.3 stack of caryfish
4.4 stacks of carp

Out of my insect paste stacks i got:
5.9 carp

I don't know about windy or any other places, but Knightswell in W. Ronfaure seems to be a great spot. I'm sort of loyal to it now since i don't have toworry about 2 other kinds of fish with insect paste. Plus your close to Sandy and (useing either bait) your major percentage of fish is moat carp.

Monsters don't seem to show up much during a full moon, other times you may get one or two.

If you want to decrease other catches I suggest a Hume rod or a Comp. rod.

Hope this is of some help to you fellow fisherman.

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RE: The Competition
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Of course, if you use little worms instead, you take a LOT longer to get that 10k carp.

Really, the best way to do this is probably doing whatever gives you the most money/hour, and just buy the carp from the AH.
RE: The Competition
# Aug 07 2005 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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.... just use a lure
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RE: The Competition
# Aug 18 2005 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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.... just use a lure


You can't do that. No lures fish moat or forest carps efficiently.

Also: DON'T FISH IN SANDY!!!!

Sandy has those **** tricolored carps, and they love to bite and bite and bite. What a waste of time and bait.

To me, this was the best place:

Area: Windurst Woods by the fountain.
Rod: Hume rod (cancel all rusty items, they can break it!).
Bait: little worm*, insect paste.

* Important: little worm rocked for me in Windy. I was level 58 though. I got at least 9-10 moat carps from every stack. Also, you are right by the fishing guild, so you can get bait and fishing support easily.
The lower your level, the more crayfish will bite. Test it out and choose your bait. I guarantee the rod and location combo though.^^

Weird alternative:
Area: Yuhtunga Jungle waterfall, by SSG entrance.
Rod: Hume Rod (again, cancel all items!).
Bait: little worm, insect paste.

This will catch moat and forest carp. At level 58 I caught more forest carp though. The quest accepts both but reeling forest carp takes longer than reeling moat carp. While still interesting, I wouldn't use this for my main carp supply. It's fun after spending 5 days in windy non stop though. Pretty pretty waterfall. =P
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fame?
# Jun 09 2005 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Does Fame really go up everytime you hand in a fish ? Also, where is this testimony that the guy gives you when you finish this quest? Ive been looking everywhere in this website. Has no one posted it yet ?

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Key item??
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You get a Key Item from this quest???

What is it?
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gonna sell mine
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the way i look at it is this... on Seraph server a stack of moat carps is 4k. 10,000 carps is 833 stacks.

IF i were to sell the 833 stacks in AH i would make 3,332,000 g.

If i turned it all in for Lu shang's Rod then sold the rod for 5,000,000 gil in AH then i just made an extra 1,668,000 gil. i dont see a reason to keep the Lu rod unless you intend on being a career fisherman. But if you just plan on making gil fishing up carps in bastok markets then the Carbon rod is just as good for only 2k !

and i only fish in my free time while waiting for PTs so its like flyer miles adding up for Lu's rod which will net me 5 million gil in the end !

SO i'm going for the Rod, then selling that badboy ! i also make my own insect paste... capitalism at its best !
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Not that long....
# May 03 2005 at 4:51 PM Rating: Default
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Ok i figured out how long it wold take, If you are good, which takes very little practice, you can catch about 1 a min which = 5 stack an hour. If you fish 5 hours a day, it will take 33 days... Now not every one can catch 60 a min, so on average, if u fish 5 hours a day, about a month and a half it will take, but also not everyone can spare 5 hours a day to play a game....
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RE: Not that long....
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heh i like your signature more than your post :D ... i feel sorry for the first person to actually accomplish that in year 2010 lol
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# Apr 09 2005 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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there selling for 3.5 mil in siren server in jeuno mostly **** who sell them tho
Forest Carp?
# Mar 16 2005 at 1:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I spoke with the younger of the brothers and started turning in my fish.. and he says he wants Moat Carp or Forest Carp... what is a Forest Carp? And if one turns them in with moat carp, will the total still go to the Lu'Shang's rod?
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RE: Forest Carp?
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You can turn in Forest Carp and Moat Carp both.... it doesn't matter which kind.
So... if you turn in 5000 moat carp and 5000 forest carp you will get the rod :)

So get fishing...
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mmm carp
# Mar 11 2005 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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You can check the number of fish you have turned in at the Elvaan lady NPC that stands behind the 2 fishermen. She doesn't always tell you the first time you talk to her, though. If not, simply talk to her a few more times and she will tell you. The number the actual fisherman tells you is the number of fish that have been turned in to them on that RL day (I think. I'm not actually sure when the count restarts, but it does reflect the number of fish that have been turned in to them. Try trading one moat carp to your fisherman NPC with nobody else around and watch the count rise by one.). Also, with the recent major update, they made it so that you can hand in not only moat carps, but forest carps as well. Finally, they changed the amount of gil you recieve for each carp from 100 to 10 gil. I find this disappointing, as 100 gil per fish was a decent profit and trading carps to the brothers was bringing me (ever so slowly) toward my Lu Shang Rod. Now, it's pretty much all or nothing. You're either trading the carps to them in hopes of getting your Lu Shang Rod, or you're selling them to the AH for profit. No more best of both worlds...
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Sigh
# Mar 11 2005 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive been doing this quest for quite some time now, ive fished up a good 3-4000 moat carp and him giving me 100g per stack wasent bad. Now i get 10 gil and it is negative profit with the paste and all so i had to stop. I dont understand why they lowered the total cost. Because it costs a good 500g (unicorn Server) to get a stack of Paste. N now you get 120g per stack of moat carp so its lame. I never wanted to go buy the fish so i fished em up. Now im just loosing money constantly doing this quest so idk if im going to forfill to get hte rod or save money and try to buy one off some one (as if someone would ever sell it ^_^) lol ya right. PEACE
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RE: Sigh
# Mar 12 2005 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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actually, on ramuh server i've seen 4 of them up for sale. i forget which city it was in, but it wasn't sandoria. probably jeuno.

i bid all 800k i had on me at the time, just on the off hope. no luck.

so yes, people are finishing the quest and putting the rods up. probably for 4 million gil or something.

if the rod isn't incentive enough, the wonderful key item you get should be.
Nerfed the quest
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Is it me or they nerfed this quest?

I started handing moat carp back to them.

Instead of 100gil, I got 10gil. WTF?
RE: Nerfed the quest
# Mar 11 2005 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
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yes, it's listed in the updates from that patch a week and a half ago.

they changed the amount of gil they give out for the carp to something closer to what you get at the npc's for selling the fish.
wow bug
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Uh this is either a bug or it is supposed to happen, but i started the quest ages and ages (US PS2 release) and i maybe handed in 1 stack of moat carp. I just started fishing agian recently and now i have 4400+ moat carps done o.0

Is that a bug or does it gradually go up by itslef anyway?
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The brothers don't give you an accurate number of fish that you've turned in. Like many fisherman, they like to boast (aka lie) about their catches. Talk to the girl watching the brothers and she will tell you that they often lose count. Talk to her repeatedly and she will tell you the correct number of carp you've turned in. (A much sadder number in most instances)

*EDIT* My 100th post! WOOT!

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about this bug =/
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Ok i just started this little quest after the last patch...I handed over 4 stacks on my first trip back from windurst waters (previously the one brother i decided to help said he had 794 moat carp...without me even trading over any), so before i handed him any carp, it shot up to 890 odd carp, then i added mine on top and took it up a bit more, 1000 or so. now i logged out, 12 hours later i decided to do a bit of moat carp fishing, and decided to check if it went up again this time 1956 carp, i was like wtf!!!, anyways, what im wondering is does he need my help getting to 10 000 or 10 000 on my own??? because i just keep hearing 10000 so w/e it maybe, im fricking confused =/. any clue?
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RE: about this bug =/
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it's 10k fish of your own, which means hundreds upon hundreds of hours fishing to gain carp. Or you could buy them
RE: about this bug =/
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Ok i figured this out this morning when i woke up and he had 12 000 carp already o_o i was like ****, wish i had that luck T_T.
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Uh this is either a bug or it is supposed to happen, but i started the quest ages and ages (US PS2 release) and i maybe handed in 1 stack of moat carp. I just started fishing agian recently and now i have 4400+ moat carps done o.0

Is that a bug or does it gradually go up by itslef anyway?
#Seshiomari, Posted: Feb 28 2005 at 8:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ALL YOU IDIOTS THAT THOUGHT YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH HAVING BOTS.. WELL SQUARE ENIX GOT YOUR ASSES. LOL THANKS FOR WWASTING YOUR MONEY YOU FOOLS. I HOPE YOU ALL GOT KICKED. IT ISN'T NICE WHEN YOU DO THAT. THE LEAST YOU COULD DO IS HAVE /ANON ON IF YOUR A HIGH LEVEL THAT CAN RAISE. I SENT ENDLESS /TELLS TO WHAT I THINK WAS AN ACTIVE BLM/WHM FOR A RASIE FOR MY GROUP. I WENT TO THE PC AFTER THE PARTY ONLY TO FIND IT WAS A BOT FISHING NEAR THE KRAKEN POP AREA. I HOPE EVERY FISH YOU CAUGHT GOT DELETED. ^.^
RE: YAY NO MORE BOTS!!!!!!
# Mar 11 2005 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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sounds more like you're bitter you didn't get the raise you wanted, than having an actual gripe with botters.

not getting a raise is sometimes a fact of life. you should have home point in qufim or jeuno anyways. so you lose 5 minutes of time having to run back, big whoop. you lose the same or more waiting for illness to wear off.
RE: YAY NO MORE BOTS!!!!!!
# Mar 11 2005 at 1:44 PM Rating: Default
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Quote:
sounds more like you're bitter you didn't get the raise you wanted, than having an actual gripe with botters.

not getting a raise is sometimes a fact of life. you should have home point in qufim or jeuno anyways. so you lose 5 minutes of time having to run back, big whoop. you lose the same or more waiting for illness to wear off.


Amen to that. I have started to realize that people in this game are (1) lazy; (2) rude; (3) mostly kids...so 1&2 don't really account for very much.

TBroo is right on. I have a few friends that are WHms or PLDs and they constantly get hounded for raises, PL, etc. If everyone who needs raises or PL so much need one that often then maybe this game isn't for you. Or go out and find friends that will help you out. 90% of the time my friends get harrassed it's because of some boneheaded maneuver anyways, so yeah, you deserve to die (aka training gobs into selbina zone, undead in quifim, or gobbie in the Kahzam area. Most of my LS friends are usually /anon because they are tired of getting spammed for raises or PL. If you're in a party and get wiped then it's generally not a problem. But if you just decide to barrel through dunes heading to selbina & drag every mob along the way, then you deserve to die. It's called evasion tactics. Watch the mobs and try and coordinate around their movements.

OK I'm off my soapbox. Point blank...most people who whine about bots are the ones who are ****** that they didn't think of the idea first.
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RE: YAY NO MORE BOTS!!!!!!
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Yea but if your a summoner you get one tell for a promy every 1-2 hours on top of that(i like helping but when my message says i'm crafting or looking for a pt my self it gets quite redundent).... It gets bad when you have been /anon long enough for your LS to forget your lv......:P
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10 gil reward now..
# Feb 23 2005 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow. Goodbye dreams of lu shangs.. 10 gil per fish is just too big a hit to take.
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RE: 10 gil reward now..
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RE: 10 gil reward now..
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but....
....Whichever brother you assist, they ask that you bring a certain type of fish (a moat carp) to them for a reward of 10 Gil each fish. This is excellent money for beginning fishermen
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Suddenly less rewarding
# Feb 23 2005 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Blarg! The update reduced the reward! Now you only get 10 gil per Moat Carp. That'll barely pay for my bait _
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RE: Suddenly less rewarding
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yeah the 10 gil reward drags it down a fair bit i hardly fished for this as it was i doubt i'll continue for much longer
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RE: Suddenly less rewarding
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You are rewarded 20 gil for forest carp, however.
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