The Worm's Turn  

i was thinking of a set up for this BCNM:



RNG/NIN(me)
NIN/WAR
BRD/NIN
BLM/WHM
WHM/SMN
SMN/WHM


basically BLM ES>>Sleepga.
BRD buffs
RNG pwns
WHM heals
SMN buffs/heals/pwns
and NIN stands there looking pretty ^^


some1 /t me if that sound decent...

well everyone,
this is to give a post-nerf update on this BCNM, from someone who has done it more times than I can count, both post and pre-patch. Tonight myself and 3 other BLM's went out to Palborough Mines to tackle this BCNM. We were thinking that it could be done with 4 BLM/WHM since we have all done this BCNM a ton of times before, as the 3 other BLM in the party are my best friends and linkshell members for about a year now. We were thinking 50/50 chance of dieing, but we were for it since there were not any other LS members on at the time.

If you want to know, yes we beat this with 4 BLM's (Kensword, Cherrysevenup, Cetralna, and Shortcakes). The first run was a little tougher than any other run, because Shortcakes was subbing THF because she was out farming... so 3 BLM/WHM and 1 BLM/THF can and did beat this with 20min. time.

This is the simple sleepga plan, sleepga everything, and then kill Flayer Franz and then rest to full and then [Full Attack!] the rest. Flayer Franz does start growing a resistance about 1/4 health left, whether or not this is from update or just because we were only 4, I am not sure. The last 1/4 goes slow, and MP starts running low. Aspir and barstonra are your friends here, and I was always on-cue with sleeping all the other Worms. We killed Franz and then rested up and attacked the front 7-8 worms at once, killing them fairly quickly, and then went to work on the back 7-8 worms after we rested again.

It is definetely not a race with 4 BLM's. The first time with Shortcakes subbing /THF we were at 22:36. The second time around Short went back to get us more drinks and to sub /WHM and we beat it in 20:21. The second time was alot less hassle though, alot easier. We did it a third time, but by then Omegak had logged in and he helped us out with the WHM duties. The third run was done in 15:16 with 5 people. None of these are close to our record of 5:46 with a 5 BLM/WHM, 1 WHM/BLM combo.
This BCNM is still easy and do-able with BLM's. And I prefer BLM over RNG, having done both ways, with both jobs. As a RNG I spend alot of money on this BCNM between sushi and arrows, plus it just takes longer. so, 5BLM 1WHM is still the best way to go!!

First round, drops were Utsusemi:Ni, Peridot, Gold Beastcoin, Black Pearl, Turquoise, and Fire Spirit Pact.

Second Round: Utsusemi:Ni, Gold Beastcoin, Phalanx, Nemesis Earring, and some other stuff

Third round: only Nemesis Earring was worth anything really good.

Sorry, this message was longer than I wanted it to be, Just wanted to let you know that it is possible to do it with 4 BLM although, our gear is above average, and we have done it many times before. But it is also nice to split the profits 4-ways instead of 6-ways!

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EDIT: Ok did this 4 more times tonight with 4 BLM/WHM, (Shortcakes, Cherrysevenup, Cetralna, and myself). FRanz does grow a resistance, but not bad (Fire2 dropped from 170 to 120, similar with other spells), and the other worms die too quickly to gauge if they grow a faster resistance.

We Went 4/4 and had a run of 11:04 which was 1:01 short of the record. Not bad for 4 ppl going into it. Drops included Erase, Nem earring x2, Utsusemi.

We even had a death on 2 of the runs, so 3 BLM/WHM can finish -aga the remaining worms after Franz is dead, and our record run had NO Manafonting either. Iceday is a nice day to do this on. Frost Blizzard2 and Blizzaga hurt.

Edited, Oct 16th 2006 at 12:03am PDT by KenSword

Arranged a party to go do this deal.
4 x Blm
1 x Rng
1 x Whm (me)

I have done this Bcnm with 5blm/1whm, and 4blm/2whm and not lost once using the nuke -ga strategy.

these Blm's (rank 7-10!!) insist on doing the sleepga thing on all worms and kill franz first, even though I (Leader) tell them to nuke the hell out of Franz, all other worms would die shortly.

After 2 unsuccessful runs, and me not having reraise up, because I didnt expect such difficulties, I told all to save their orbs and that I would reimburse the 2 who lost their orbs with gil.

I'm sure the sleepga way works, but why drive to Boston from New York via Orlando, when you can catch a nonstop flight from point A to B in a fraction of the time.

My LS had a couple of BLM's wanting to do this BCNM (me being one of them). We did it last night and went........... 7/7 !

Now, contrary to a few of these posts (and many alternate posts regarding Worm's Turn) we never even touched Sleepga. We had 4xBLM, 1xWHM and 1xRNG (picked up in Jeuno). We had originally planned to do only 6, one for each member but then another of our LS mates (RNG) wanted to come (which ended up perfect for the RNG who had to leave after the original six).

Our main strat was to enter BC, buff up (I did Ice Spikes in addition to Blink and Aquaveil, details later) and run to 'hump' and on cue word, start the -aga goodness. RNG used holy bolts (wonderful, btw...usually 75-90 damage with 15-25 added holy damage). All the BLM's centered -aga's on Flayer Franz, dead center, and were able to hit every single other worm. All of us had the same 'glitch', where our casting would finish with no animation, MP used up and no -aga animation but I can assure you after cycling through the worms via Tab, they were all taking damage. After 1-2 rounds of casting, normal animations resumed and the worms dropped..like..... flies? >.<

At any rate, I said earlier that I had cast Ice Spikes before the fight. Now I wouldn't say this is a must, but I can't tell you how many times I got drawn in, hit as I was running West and satisfied by the amount of 'Flesh Eater is Paralyzed' messages. I know, I know if we had slept the worms, getting hit by them wouldn't have been an issue. Well, in all honesty the damage from the Flesh Eaters was negligible for our PT and the wonderful WHM paying attention helped quite a bit as well. Out of all the runs we had only 2 deaths, both on the last run; I know we were all tired by then but we still won the BCNM and everything went fine, otherwise.

As far as drops: there were many gems, Peridots, turqouise, sphene also 3-4 Strike Shields, Spirit Torques,Earth Mantles, 1 gold beastcoin, ABS-STR, Nemesis Earring, Fire Pact, Refresh, 2 Erase scrolls and one Utsusemi:Ni. We did /random for orb turns and some would laugh because all my rolls were 200 or less so I ended up 6th in line. Well the first 2 were all 'meh' drops, 3rd was the WHM who got an Erase scroll, 4th and 5th were so-so and then it was my turn ^^ Spirit Torque, Erase AND Utsusemi:NI also Strike Shield, Peridot and Earth Mantle. So needless to say I was very very happy. Sorry for the long post just had to put this here.

BTW, record before we went in was close to 8 minutes; First run, we beat it with a time of 7 minutes and 30 seconds and we consecutively beat our own records on each subsequent run. Best time was on my orb with a time of 6 minutes and 36 seconds /cheer

Khyri of Asura

We did this BCNM over the weekend, and we had the same trouble as stated above u can no longer cast sleepga on Flayer Flanz. U go into casting and then u just keep casting spell never going off. Although our setup was 3blm, 2rng, whm. We just had 1 blm sleep left and 1 blm sleep right and we went 5/6 this way. just be sure to keep up stonera and the couple worms in the back that don't get slept will not be able to do enought damage to kill any of u pty members so u should be fine. GL

Did it yesterday with RNGx3 BLMx2 WHM, we went 6/6 and only one death at all. I did it previously with 5 BLM + WHM and it was faster and easier (about 6 min per run), but the RNG setup is good too.

My drops: Utsusemi: Ni, Erase, Nemesis earring, Vile elixir, Peridot and Earth mantle.
(I know, i'm a lucky bastard ^^)

never tried the the 5x blm. we went 4x ranger whm and one blm, we had no trouble at all wif this setup we did 8 runs and won 8times

Good Lord, only 1 person on this page gets it. The ultimate setup is BLMx5 WHMx1. WHM doesn't even need Erase, just a good eye and Curaga. It's this simple:

BLMs -Aga Flayer Franz.

That's it. No frills. In about 2-3 -Agas from all the BLMs will have all the other Worms down. WHM can even land a hand with Banishga. After all the Flesh Eaters are dead, pop a juice and go apesh*t on Flayer Franz. I've NEVER had a single failure this way. It's especially easy when your WHM has Erase, since Flayer Franz enjoys Draw-In + Bind. If anyone dies, just Sleep Franz, Tractor the BLM, and have the WHM Raise, although this is rarely a concern. You crazies, all getting ~15 minutes, you can clear it in under 5 with this setup.

Forgot to mention, ABSOLUTELY, POSETIVELY, DO NOT KILL FLAYER FRANZ 1ST! He's at the very center, and that's the only point where you can hit every single worm. You don't even have to worry about his magic, you're a BLM. Draw-in isn't much of a concern, read above.

Edited, Wed Mar 8 19:56:05 2006

So I went in as a Whm/Blm with Rng/Nin Rng/Nin Blm/Whm Blm/Whm Blm/Whm and we didn't even come close to winning. Supposedly that's a good party setup, but it doesn't help that I didn't have Erase (why I was going) and nobody but me actually used Yagudo drinks. The sleepgas weren't planned well and I could have thought of much better ways to do it.

Basically, there was no planning. I guess the leader assumed it would be easy and didn't make specific plans for victory. How annoying. At least I didn't lose my orb.

RNG/nin (me
BLM
BLM
BLM
BLM
WHM

6/6 no @#%^ ups.

The easiest thing to do on "Your orb your drop" is to give whoevers orb it is the Item pool. SO only they get all the items.

The plan was simple, have one BLM ready to Cast Sleepga at all times, and only focus on that, don't let him nuke. If hes in the middle of castign and the worms wake up you're in a world of sh*t.

The other BLM nuke Flayer and I shot him to hell. Id keep shooting whilst BLM regenned MP for the leftovers. SO we were constantly damaging.

If you get pulled in run West.If the WHM has Erase already then you will be fine,as he can erase bind and you wont get battered.

I have news for the guy who asked about MNK's (a long time ago I realise), this BCNM is NOT for any melee class, if you try to hit Franz from up close you will die, he hits very hard.

RNGD and Magic onry. Still theres plenty of BCNM for close up melee classes to do :)

I just did this the other night. We went 5/5, which was pretty nice.(I didn't have an orb. I was just helping) Two of the five got Utsusemi: Ni, Nemesis Earring, Phalanx and one of those two also got Spirit Torque along with that. About 3+mil gil on Midgardsormr.
We went in as BLM/WHMx3 WHM/BLM and RNG/NINx2. Kicked butt. Pretty much same strategy as everyone else here. Although the last run we beat down the record. First we killed Flayer Franz as usual. Then rested up fully and ran into the rest of the worms with all three BLM using 2h. We just went through all the strongest -ga spells. Wipped them out really fast. We got 12 minutes with a death(a RNG got low on life and died from rasp...the WHM tried casting Cure III instead of Cure I. An honest mistake).
Overall it was really fun.

I went into this one and set a record of 12 min on garuda server......

blm/blm/blm/blm/whm/rng

goes in and es sleepga flayer franz, everyone kicks the crap out of flayer franz til it dies, meanwhile if worms wake up, make sure es sleepga again. after that the blm mages start resting up and rotate nukes because the worms gain life if they turn gold. we'd have atleast one blm doing ga's at a time while the other three rest and just keep rotating. all in all, i got the luck of the draw with utsusemi ni and erase to drop. thanks to all who helped and sorry for those who's dropped sucked.

Experience <---- I have two galkan fathers

Part set-up:
RNG/NIN
RNG/NIN
THF/NIN
BLM/NIN
BLM/NIN
WHM/BLM

So easy. Have the blms blizzardga then sleepga, any-ga then sleepga, rinse and repeat. WHM keeps barstone up and stays back out of casting range, throws cures and silena. RNGs and THF use bloody and venom bolts. Kill the center named worm first then work your way from one side of the room to the other. If anyone in party has never been here before, MAKE SURE TO TELL THEM TO RUN WEST IF SUCKED IN. With everyone but whm with shadows, WHM sits in the back and reads a book to fight off boredom. NOTE: If you are doing your orb, your drop, easiest way is after killing everything, everyone exit area except orb holder and then pop chest. This way only one person has to run back. Great for cutting downtime i.e mages resting mp. Out of 9 runs, erase dropped 7 and utsusetmi 2. FYI it is possible to get both erase and utsusemti at once. (Lucky THF ><) Good Luck!

After a long, dissapointing lfp last night I saw a shout for worm's turn and decided to give it a shot. RNG RNG RNG BLM BLM WHM (with erase even!)...just about perfect, ne?

We went 1/5 ~.~

It IS pretty easy with a perfect setup and experienced people. but if you don't have all people who have done it before don't be overconfident. And since the RNG nerf we've lost a lot of power on this BC because of how far away you'll want to stand from Franz... way the hell out of sweet spot ; ;

On the other hand, they said your orb your drop...and I was the 1/5^.^ . Remember to sneak BLM for first sleepga (two losses...that was pretty sad), and make sure your mages pace themselves, and one of them always has a sleepga ready (other two losses). And when all else fails, Eagle Eye Shot finally got fixed =^.^= (victory!). And...TRIPLE DROP o.O Spirit torque, Utsu Ni, Erase...I know it was your orb your drop, but I so have to share some of the wealth...this is the richest I've ever been XD.

To conclude; try to find BLMs who have done it before and if you can't just try to make sure they conserve MP and keep the worms down. This sounds like a cakewalk, but after you get Stonega'd by 15 worms and Stonega II'd by an NM one a few times you may reconsider. Gl, and be careful.

edit: spelling >.<

Edited, Sat Oct 22 14:16:00 2005

Current setup I use is 5 x blm and a whm. Whm must already have Erase. All need to do is get all blm's up as close as possible, and start spamming -ga spells on Flayer Franz.After 1 or 2 spells each, Flayer will be the only worm left standing. At that point, it's all out attack, then move away and rest MP if needbe. Currently have this BCNM done in 3mins 48secs

Me and a few other people did this BCNM a few nights ago. Our setup was THF/NIN (me),RNG/NIN, 3 BLM/WHM, and one WHM/BLM. Completed it 6 times with ease and only had two deaths. Got 4 erase drops and one Utsusemi:Ni drop among other various items. Myself and the RNG just attack Franz while the BLM's cast sleepga atlernating and FireII, etc. After Franz dies the blm's cast AoE's and me and the rng stayed at a safe distance and took the worms out one by one.

just got done running 5 with a full pt and then a member dropped so we did the sixth with 5 ppl.
lineup started with rdm, blm, blm, whm, rng, bst
i know u all are looking at it and thinking bst. well we started by sleeping and then bst charmed a flesh eater inthe center ring and made it fight franz. bst cannot use sic during this b/c chance of aoe may screw up sleep. we went through 2 flesheaters befor franz was dead. this kept the h8 off of us pretty good. after franz is dead use sic as much as you want to get rid of the worms. we found that charming the worms on the inside can take out the worm on the outside from them and the next worm down can usually finish off the one u are using so u can get rid of it and charm the next one.
rng died once b/c blink wasn't up and got sucked in at the wrong time. but the rest were successful runs.
i was scepticle about using bston it but after i saw the results on this bsnmi think i will continue to use it.

yeah.. so uhh can i mnk do this one? cuz i mean rng would make theworms cast stonaga II more frequently... so wouldnt it be good to have a close combat melee?

6/6 on this yesterday with RNG, RNG, BLM, BLM, BLM, WHM

3 Erase Scrolls, 1 NI scroll and 2 Phalanx scrolls. No deaths in any runs.

I did this fight yesterday and we won 5/6 fights.
The -NI spells droped 2 times and Erase droped 1 time. It wasn't hard with the set up I had.

Smn/Whm
Whm/Blm
Blm/Smn
Rng/Nin
Rng/Nin
Thf/Nin

We did fine with that set up... had trouble the 5th try but we managed to do 5/6 fights easy. Hope this helps you guys.


Marga 63Smn/31Whm
Siren Server

Edited, Wed Jul 6 15:18:12 2005

i have done this BCNM as a pld succesfully before.
The pt set up was PLD/nin, whm, blm, blm, blm, rng.

~First after buffing up the pld runs in first getting tractored by the main NM.

~Then you have to put one BLM in charge of keeping all of the other worms asleep using sleepga. The one BLM should use this every time the worms wake up up until the main worm is dead.

~ While the pld takes all the aoe dmg from the 15 worms when they wake up. Then all the other blm's and rng's kill the main worm, but do NOT use are spells because it will wake up all the other worms.

~After the main worm is dead the pld's job is over, he can back up heal. You might want to take a quick minute to regen MP. Then all the BLM's and rngs should concentrate on one area of the room at a time, first the right part, then the middle, finnaly the left part. If your pt runs out of MP make sure you keep a spell like diaga on the worms so they dont recharge.

There are definatley more easy ways to do this, but if you are looking to do a LS event and dont have all the jobs you need this might offer as a altenative way. I have done it succesfully myself many times and have made a good profit off it.

is this possible w/ nin/rng i need utsusemi ni for nin and rng is only 17 and nin is 37 but throwing is capped so i can use that as a /ra it won't do as much damage but man it will save me alot of farming/crafting to get considering it is 300k on bismarck server.

Party setup: Blm x 3, Rng x 2, Whm

This was very simple. There was one death total because we didn't know Sneak would do nothing. Incidentally, Sneak does nothing.

One black mage was the sleeper (with a backup that really wasn't needed) and recast Sleepga every time it wore off.

Important points:
Always have Barstone up; then they'll all do little damage.
Kill Flayer Franz as fast as possible. After this the battle is cake.
If you're running low on HP or MP, get well away from the circle and rest / wait to be healed.
I could not land Silence on Franz and eventually stopped bothering to cast it.
Rangers used Acid and Holy bolts and did amazing damage.
Cast the intial Sleepga at as far a range as possible; no worms should aggro when you do this.
Sleeper should keep Aquaveil up.
When you get Drawn In, just run back. When you get Bound or mages get Rasped, get an Erase.

Drops were:
1/5 Utsusemi: Ni
3/5 Nemesis Earring
2/5 Phalanx
lots of less-valuable stuff
averaged a total of about 300k a person (5 orbs, sixth person was in for the entertainment)

All in all not very good drops, but decent money for the ease. I hope to run through again and get a better idea of drop rates.

on my 1st time doing this BCNM after alot of losts in others (lvld rng to join this ) i was rng37 rest of pt where all 40 rng/rng/blm/blm/blm/whm

i was 37 and hardly missed 1 this BCNM is easier than typing this messege

so kill the boss and mages rest while rngs kill worms full mb mages come in -ga and worms die like you are spraying them with bug-acid

got NI+erase on my run

easy as hill

i will farm beastseals for this better than farming any thing else