Borghertz's Sneaky Hands  

Submitted by:Thingol
Start Area: Upper Jeuno
Start NPC:Guslam (H - 8)
Prerequisites:The Tenshodo Showdown - THF AF1
Related Areas:Castle Zvahl Baileys
Monastic Cavern
Port Jeuno
Upper Jeuno
Related Mobs:Dark Spark
Yin Pocanakhu
Mission:2 - 0
Min Level:50
Max Level:75
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Items Required:Davoi Coffer Key
Old Gauntlets
Shadow Flames
Items Granted:Rogue's Armlets
This Quest is Repeatable
Last Updated: Tue Dec 21 20:57:40 2004

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Gauntlets wrought by Borghertz, the legendary craftsman, lie hidden somewhere in Vana'diel.


To start this quest, you must have completed the quest The Tenshodo Showdown - THF AF1 and activated Thick as Thieves - THF AF2.

First, talk to the galka named Guslam in the Durable Shields Shop in Upper Jeuno. He will tell you about a pair of old gauntlets, made by the legendary craftsman Borghertz, which he heard about somewhere in Monastic Cavern.

Head to Monastic Cavern, which is located at H-11 on the Davoi map. You must find an open a coffer. To do this, you can either pick the lock on a coffer (being a thief), or you can open the coffer with a Davoi coffer key. The keys are dropped in Davoi and Monastic Cavern by Orcish Farkillers, Orcish Dreadnoughts, Orcish Champions and Orcish Dragoons.

Next, head into Monastic Cavern to find a treasure coffer. The coffers appear at I-7, H-7, H-8, G-8 and H-9. Trade your key to the coffer to receive the key item Some old gauntlets.

Take the old gauntlets back to Guslam in Upper Jeuno. He says he lacks the skill to fix them.

Then go to Lower Jeuno, and head to the Tenshodo hideout inside Neptune's Spire. Talk to a mithra named Yin Pocanakhu, who is near the counter. She will offer you an old toolbox that she somehow acquired for 1000 gil. Pay her and she will tell you that she left it in front of the Duty-Free Shop in Port Jeuno.

Go to Port Jeuno and find the old toolbox. Examine the ??? for a cutscene with Borghertz, who asks for Shadow Flames from Castle Zvahl Baileys.

Head to Castle Zvahl Bailey, located on the west edge of Xarbacard. At F-8 in Zvahl Baileys, there will be four torches. Clear the demons in this area, then examine a torch by the iron gate. A notorious monster named Dark Spark will appear. Defeat Dark Spark and examine the torch again to receive the Shadow Flames.

Finally, return to Port Jeuno and re-examine the toolbox to receive another cutscene and your Rogue's armlets.

Quest Series

This quest is part of the thief Artifact Gear quest series:

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spawn points?
# Dec 24 2004 at 12:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone got a link to the site that has the Coffer spawn points for Monastic Cavern? I'd SEROIUSLY appreciate it!!
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RE: spawn points?
# Jan 19 2006 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Maps of all the areas/regions in the game, plus spawn points etc.

(I should check the dates on these posts I'm replying to, hahah. Oh well, info's there for anyone else who might want it.)

Edited, Thu Jan 19 21:45:55 2006
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RE: spawn points?
# Jan 04 2005 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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near the bottom.

Edited, Tue Jul 26 17:48:29 2005
RE: spawn points?
# Mar 02 2005 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
191 posts
Your link didn't work.

Try this one:


Happy coffer hunting!

Edit: my link didn't work either LMAO. ;-)

Edited, Tue Mar 8 12:49:35 2005
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# Dec 08 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I Die in my 1st time alone in Davoi b4 i even got to the cave :( I return to HP found 65 RDM (Appolo)(EN)then we split up and started lookin, Invisible wore so he stayed w/ me, walk for like 20 Secs. BAM *****! Coffer! Pick It W/ Skeleton Key 1st Try and Succeed @ 51 thf/nin. We were in the cave for like 3 min. The LOC. was in the Right tunnel side of the Entrance
fighting dark spark
# Dec 01 2004 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you have to open the coffer before fighting dark spark or can you fight dark spark first? Some friends are going to help me with the fight and they haven't opened coffers yet, want to make sure they can still get what they need from the fight.
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# Nov 27 2004 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Thief 52 / Ninja 26
I went to Davoi with a Red Mage and me the first time... The red Mage would cast Invis while i looked for coffer. 15 mins passed and there it was, Treasure Coffer... I ran up to it (really excited) and used my pick lock macro... It was a Mimic! I died... so 2 mins passed and mimic dissapeared and rdm Raised me... 3 mins passed and i ran into the next tunnle.. there it was again!! So i took off invis without even thinking and used the pick lock macro.... "you cannot pick while weakend" (******) so i used "Hide".... weakend status wore... and just as it wore a lvl 70 thf (JP) picked the lock... >.< and i got aggroed and died again... i was at 6k tnl now i am at 8k tnl =[...

So after I came back from watching Scarface, i bought Instant Warp and Shinobi-Tabi... i got to Davoi and yet agin the same thf picked the lock in front of me.... After an hour i said F-this i am loggin out... and just as i said it BOOM! coffer spawned... I took off invis and it was a success...

So basically:
1st try: Mimic (fail)
2nd try: SUCCESS!
# Oct 26 2004 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Crazy. I started this quest tonight, feeling quite bored. A high level THF friend told me that i could easily pick the chest, so I figured "Why not?"
I'm walking through Davoi, and spot a Treasure chest. I had brought some Thief's Tools as back up (I had 6 skele keys and 6 Thief's Tools) so I tried the tools on the chest... and got weakened. Shrugging and being glad it wasn't a mimic, I continued into Monastic Cavern. I find a Coffer withing minutes and go to pick the lock... but I remember that I'm weakened. I waited for 2 hours... finally I decided to leave, and the weakness wore off right when I zoned. I ran back and got the gauntlets on my second try. Yay!! On my way back through Davoi I used another Skele ikey on another chest, 7k gil Awesome. So over all, I'm very happy. Off to kill SDark Spark.
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# Oct 25 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Did this today as a 50THF/NIN, didn't take much time to find the coffer,
what took the time was finding the entrance to Monastic Cavern >.>

found the coffer at (G-8), it was 2 orcs in the room.
dropped invis when they weren't looking and hit my Picking macro.
i started to wonder what was wrong when my macro didn't work, then i noticed i had targeted an orc instead of the coffer >.<
2 secs later he aggroed me, hit flee macro and attempted to zone(/slap <me>) then i remembered i had Hide ^^
recasted invis and waited for the orc to turn again,
1st attempt: Fail
2nd attempt: Fail
3rd attempt: Fail
4th attempt: Fail
5th attempt: You unlock the chest!
Nugattii obtains the key item, some old gauntlets.
now all i have to do is to kill Dark Spark!

*note i used Thief's tools doing this

Edited, Mon Oct 25 15:03:46 2004
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# Oct 23 2004 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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THF/NIN should have an easy time with this, Tonko is fixed duration not random duration like Sneak and can be recast while invisable.
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# Sep 26 2004 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I stared the shadowy hands quest with my drk and decided it was too hard....(Die eldieme necropolis!!...wait there all already dead ._.) well i went to Guslam and he keeps talking about my DRK AF hands...what am i doing wrong :(
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Bustin it out old school lol
# Sep 25 2004 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Boy oh boy! Was this quest ever good for the ol' EXP decrease!

Attempt # 1 : Used a thief tool and it was a mimic. Slapped me around before I could use 2 hour and warp. I died in town from poison before I could make it to my mog T_T

Attempt #2 : Found coffer, disabled invisible and used tools. Recieve aggro from both orcs in the room. I panicked and started spamming my tools, completely forgetting about 2 hour.
Attempt 1 : Fail
Attempt 2 : Fail
Attempt 3 : Fail
Attempt 4 : Fail
Attempt 5 : Fail
Attempt 6 : Success!

Death, before I could use 2 hour.

Moral of this story : Don't panic.
But hey...nothing a little xp party can't fix, right? :]

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not to hard
# Sep 01 2004 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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imma lvl 53 thf and i did this alone, it was rather easy but scary at the same time, got it on my first try with a "thief's tool" and then i just warped out, i didnt check the position cuz i just wanted to get the F**K out lol, but its a small place and u should find a chest soon enough.
# Aug 23 2004 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
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lol got the gauntlets using thiefs tool. i got it withing 5 min. the thiefs tool failed 2x but i got it the 3rd time. almost got massarced by orcs. course we are thieves so we wont die that easily. used flee and zoned. lol.
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picking the lock
# Aug 22 2004 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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about picking coffers, im not an expert. this is my first time doing a coffer, and my only other experience was picking my rse chests.

First try- living keys
6 failures, then a mimic on the 7th, perfect dodged ans warped

Second try- Skeleton keys
3 failures and a mimic on the 4th, perfect dodged and warped

Third try- Thiefs tools
2 failures, and got it on the third

i dont know if this was just my bad luck or what, but id go with thiefs tools when doing this
60+ to use skeleton keys??
# Aug 08 2004 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey ^^v 1st I just wanna thank everyone for the tips and info for everything on this site
2nd I wanted to let u know that u dont have to be 60+ to use skeleton keys I'm a 52 THF and i just got the armlets from coffer in Monastic Cavern...on the 1st try using skeleton keys
Just wanted to let u all know...and again thanks for all the help ^^

Xaeon 52THF/26NIN -Fenrir
just clearing up some things
# Jun 30 2004 at 10:33 AM Rating: Default
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^^ just a note about thf af2... you must first start thf af3.


yes thats right...

when you talk to niina mihngo she will give you two letters and a thieves hideout. these are NOT for af2!!!!!!!! they are for af3!


Guslam will NOT speak to you til you have spoken to niina mihngo... trust me i tried SEVERAL times...

I went to windy... spoke to niina mihngo recieved 2 letters and gang hideout location... tried to do that quest but couldnt find tower in sauromague champeign so i logged out to look up the quest info....

The reward for the quest was bonnet... minimum lvl requirement 54...

I thought WTF thats not right!!!!! thats af3!

The quest for guslam is rewarded with gloves... min lvl 52... THATS what i wanted!

I paniced and stressed out but decided... ok im gonna run to jeuno and talk to guslam ONE last time...

Sure enough as soon as i spoke to him a cutscene occured and my af2 quest has begun.

Just shareing my info so new thieves hopefully won't be as confused as me!!

1.) Talk to niina mihngo
2.) Accept the task and get your items from her but do NOT attempt to do this quest yet
3.) Go to jeuno talk to guslam
4.) Do quest as normal according to guide.
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RE: just clearing up some things
# Jul 27 2004 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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This is AF4, the quest for the hat is AF2. You must accept the quest for AF2 before you start your AF4, and you must start AF4 before you do AF5 and AF6 (opening those coffers)
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Skele Keys
# Jun 21 2004 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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They do work, i used 11 of them today to get my item :/ picking up a stack of living and tools for the castles
Stupid Prism Powders
# Jun 18 2004 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Bleh, definitely do not buy Prism Powders to do this. Tried it twice today, first time I was lucky and found a coffer pretty quick, but it turned into a Mimic. So after waiting 2 hours and partying and actually getting to 52 I came back... no one else in the Cavern, ran around for an hour, used a full stack of powders, used Hide and Camoflauge several times, never saw a single coffer.

Guess I'll level White Mage a few more levels and come back. I wasn't able to open the first coffer there with Skeleton Keys either, though I did open one in Crawler's Nest earlier in the day with one.
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Skeleton Keys
# Jun 03 2004 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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As a matter of fact, Skeleton keys can be used at 60+, below that THFs cannot use it

I used 3 skeleton keys at THF46 to open 3 treasure chests in a row in Shakrami Maze for my RSE Magic Pattern. No fails, no problems. If what you say is true, it may be different for coffers than chests.

I seem to recall a few posts that kept quoting the same unknown source about Thief's Tools, Living Keys, and Skeleton keys being divided against your DEX to make success rate. That may not be true either, but skeleton keys are probably costly for a reason.

RE: Skeleton Keys
# Jun 15 2004 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Correcting myself from the last post. Thief tools can make mimics too. I just attempted picking this coffer, and it tried to eat me. Perfect Dodged and Instant Warped my butt out of there.
RE: Skeleton Keys
# Jun 15 2004 at 10:03 PM Rating: Decent
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The reason skeleton keys cost so much is because they're the least likely to accidently to set off a trap. I've only used them twice on a coffer. The coffer didn't open, but it didn't explode or try to eat me either. I've also never seen a mimic outside an BCNM fight, which I hear is because I never use Living Keys. I guess the use of an alchemy item has unexpected results on mundane chests.
# May 31 2004 at 10:15 AM Rating: Default
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WTF! in every site i've been in for this AF.. it says u must have Skeleton Key to open the coffer......sorry to burst ur bubble but u dun need it to open the coffer in Monastic Cvrn to obtain the Item. As a matter of fact, Skeleton keys can be used at 60+, below that THFs cannot use it, and if u do u'll fail to even open ur Zip for a pee!
i bought half a friggin stack of Skeleton, went there found it, 5 high lvl THFs cheering for me while i open the coffer....and BOOM! i fail, i fail, i fail, and i fail again.... 1 JP player, told me im too low, thats y i cant open..so i went with my instinct and bought a stack of THF's tools.. went back, found it...and OPENED it on the first try!!!!!!!!
i think the reason y i suceeded with THF's tool is because this is a quest, and the rules on how to open coffers dunt apply on this situation...or perhaps it was just a glitch, u be the judge

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RE: Correction
# Jun 09 2004 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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I used a Skeleton Key on these coffers. But um...nice try?
5th may update
# May 06 2004 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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any1 know what was updated in this quest yesterday ?
# Apr 28 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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well, i recieved this quest for my af gloves for my paladin

# Mar 25 2004 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
it was edited out, so i'll say it here, make sure that you touch the same torch that was touched originally. if you don't you will respawn Dark Spark.

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Then I floated, out of here
This is AF1-3
# Mar 23 2004 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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This is AF1-3. I just got this quest. I got the AF1-2 quest, then got this one from Guslam. The AF-4 is the pants I belive. Check www.killing-ifrit.com for more info.
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RE: This is AF1-3
# Mar 23 2004 at 9:28 PM Rating: Default
Actually, no, it's not. This is AF4. AF3 is always for your level 60 item (like RDMs hat).
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