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Trial Size Trial by Ice  

Submitted by:Jyneefur
Realm:San d'Oria
Start Area: Northern San d'Oria
Start NPC:Castilchat (E - 7)
Type:General
Related Areas:Cloister of Frost
Related Mobs:Shiva Prime
Min Level:20
Max Level:20
Rating
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(Average from 30 ratings)
Items Required:Mini Tuning Fork of Ice
Last Updated: Thu Aug 20 06:00:36 2009

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Summary

The Rhinostery has developed a new "mini" tuning fork of ice. Ringing it upon the protocrystal in Fei'Yin will open the path to a one-on-one battle with the beast that awaits inside. However, only summoners are allowed to take up this challenge.

Walkthrough

Things to remember:

  • This is a solo battle.
  • There is a level 20 cap on this battle.
  • There is a 15-minute time limit.
  • You can only use Carbuncle.

Speak to Castilchat in Northern San d'Oria, standing next to Gulmama. You must have at least level 4 fame in the Kingdom of San d'Oria before he will allow you to do this quest. If you meet the requirements, he will present you with a Mini Tuning Fork of Ice.

  • This is not a key item, like the Tuning Fork of Ice, and therefore requires a space in your inventory.

When you have made your preparations, trade the Mini Tuning Fork of Ice back to Castilchat. He won't keep it. Trading him the Mini Tuning Fork of Ice will warp you directly to the Cloister of Frost for the fight.

Try to fight Shiva on Firesday and do not fight her on Iceday

Upon defeating her, you will receive the ability to summon Shiva to your side.

Strategies

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Requirements?
# May 28 2004 at 12:05 AM Rating: Decent
I was reluctant to become a summoner because of the difficult quests and the having to wait until 60+ to do battle against the Prime Avatars, but this new quest has opened my eyes to the light.

Now, I have the fame for Tenshodo (Leviathan) now and i'm furiously working on my summoner's levels (At the moment: 12). Leviathan is by far my favorite summon, but what ******* wouldn't be complete without everyone?

So my questions are:

1. Are there the same requirements (fame) needed for the 60+ quests?

2. Recommended subs for the fight?(Currently subbing White Mage for healing properties, was thinking about warrior for the bonus to defense...)

3. How long does Astral Flow last usually? I have rarely used it, and never had the MP regen to keep it going, but with the Yagudo drinks, how many Seering lights would one be able to pull off?

Thank you for the info! ^^
RE: Requirements?
# Jun 16 2004 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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1.) no, you only need level 3 fame for all the trial size quests. level 7 would be for the lvl 60+ version (and level 9 for fenrir?)

2.) white mage, so you can buff up with aquaveil and maybe some elementals buffs

3.) 3 minutes and 3 searing lights are possible. if you arent fast enough, you have to use another yagudo drink after the 2nd searing light

4.) keep your MP higher than 40 BEFORE using searing light, otherwise it wont do any damage

good luck ;)
Good Strategy
# May 16 2004 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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I have the perfect method for those of u that want to win the lvl 20 avatars.

You need to think of this as 3 small battles.
Battle one is at the pit where u will find the avatar, we will call this area A.

Battle two will take place at the 90 degree bend in the path that leads to the avatar, we will call this area B.

Battle three will take place at the bottom of the hill by the crystal where u come into the battle, we will call this area C.

Before u go in, buff up with aquaviel, and protect, take pie (i prefer pumpkin for +40 mp). Enter the battle area.

Go to area B, cast carby out, use yagudo drink, move to area A.

Area A battle ----- attack with carby as soon as u get there, cast dia (as i used whm as sub), immediately use 2 hr and searing light. This will hit the avatar for about 1/3 of his hp. Move to area b while carby fights the avatar. As soon as u get to area B use hi ether (a must) and hi potion if needed.

Area B battle ----- About this time u will see carby will die. The avatar will move toward u at area B. Cast Carby out and attack for a second time, searing light should be ready now for second use, use it as soon as u can. As soon as u use it, move as fast as u can to area C.

Area C battle ----- As soon as u get to area C use yagudo drink (a must due to no mp regen anymore) and hi ether (a must die to you want your mp as high as possible--it makes your searing light more powerful). Use potion if u need it. About this time the avatar will have killed carby and will be on the way to you. Cast carby out for the third time, immediately use searing light for the third time, if it hits, u won.


MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THE DAY OF THE WEEK, SO NOT FIGHT RAMAH ON LIGHTNING DAY, HE IS MUCH STRONGER ON THAT DAY, DUE TO HE IS A LIGHTNING BASED AVATAR. A GOOD METHOD WOULD BE TO FIGHT LIKE LEVIATHON ON LIGHTNING DAY--DUE TO IT IS WEAK TO THAT ELEMENT.

The lvl 20 skill cap is skill 63. I recommend getting to this skill lvl before u spend your money and time. I spent 150k trying to learn this strategy.

SUGGESTED ITEMS TO TAKE WITH YOU FOR EACH BATTLE
HI ETHERS (3)
HI POTIONS (6)
YAGUDO DRINK (3)
PUMPKIN PIE (1)

THE HI ETHERS AND HI POTIONS ARE MORE THAN I USED BUT JUST IN CASE SOMETHING DOES NOT GO PERFECT, YOU WILL HAVE BACK UP.

HAPPY HUNTING EVERYONE, HOPE THIS HELPS
good strategy
# May 16 2004 at 6:37 PM Rating: Default
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I have the perfect method for those of u that want to win the lvl 20 avatars.

You need to think of this as 3 small battles.
Battle one is at the pit where u will find the avatar, we will call this area A.

Battle two will take place at the 90 degree bend in the path that leads to the avatar, we will call this area B.

Battle three will take place at the bottom of the hill by the crystal where u come into the battle, we will call this area C.

Before u go in, buff up with aquaviel, and protect, take pie (i prefer pumpkin for +40 mp). Enter the battle area.

Go to area B, cast carby out, use yagudo drink, move to area A.

Area A battle ----- attack with carby as soon as u get there, cast dia (as i used whm as sub), immediately use 2 hr and searing light. This will hit the avatar for about 1/3 of his hp. Move to area b while carby fights the avatar. As soon as u get to area B use hi ether (a must) and hi potion if needed.

Area B battle ----- About this time u will see carby will die. The avatar will move toward u at area B. Cast Carby out and attack for a second time, searing light should be ready now for second use, use it as soon as u can. As soon as u use it, move as fast as u can to area C.

Area C battle ----- As soon as u get to area C use yagudo drink (a must due to no mp regen anymore) and hi ether (a must die to you want your mp as high as possible--it makes your searing light more powerful). Use potion if u need it. About this time the avatar will have killed carby and will be on the way to you. Cast carby out for the third time, immediately use searing light for the third time, if it hits, u won.


MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THE DAY OF THE WEEK, SO NOT FIGHT RAMAH ON LIGHTNING DAY, HE IS MUCH STRONGER ON THAT DAY, DUE TO HE IS A LIGHTNING BASED AVATAR. A GOOD METHOD WOULD BE TO FIGHT LIKE LEVIATHON ON LIGHTNING DAY--DUE TO IT IS WEAK TO THAT ELEMENT.

The lvl 20 skill cap is skill 63. I recommend getting to this skill lvl before u spend your money and time. I spent 150k trying to learn this strategy.

SUGGESTED ITEMS TO TAKE WITH YOU FOR EACH BATTLE
HI ETHERS (3)
HI POTIONS (6)
YAGUDO DRINK (3)
PUMPKIN PIE (1)

THE HI ETHERS AND HI POTIONS ARE MORE THAN I USED BUT JUST IN CASE SOMETHING DOES NOT GO PERFECT, YOU WILL HAVE BACK UP.

HAPPY HUNTING EVERYONE, HOPE THIS HELPS
good strategy
# May 16 2004 at 6:36 PM Rating: Default
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110 posts
I have the perfect method for those of u that want to win the lvl 20 avatars.

You need to think of this as 3 small battles.
Battle one is at the pit where u will find the avatar, we will call this area A.

Battle two will take place at the 90 degree bend in the path that leads to the avatar, we will call this area B.

Battle three will take place at the bottom of the hill by the crystal where u come into the battle, we will call this area C.

Before u go in, buff up with aquaviel, and protect, take pie (i prefer pumpkin for +40 mp). Enter the battle area.

Go to area B, cast carby out, use yagudo drink, move to area A.

Area A battle ----- attack with carby as soon as u get there, cast dia (as i used whm as sub), immediately use 2 hr and searing light. This will hit the avatar for about 1/3 of his hp. Move to area b while carby fights the avatar. As soon as u get to area B use hi ether (a must) and hi potion if needed.

Area B battle ----- About this time u will see carby will die. The avatar will move toward u at area B. Cast Carby out and attack for a second time, searing light should be ready now for second use, use it as soon as u can. As soon as u use it, move as fast as u can to area C.

Area C battle ----- As soon as u get to area C use yagudo drink (a must due to no mp regen anymore) and hi ether (a must die to you want your mp as high as possible--it makes your searing light more powerful). Use potion if u need it. About this time the avatar will have killed carby and will be on the way to you. Cast carby out for the third time, immediately use searing light for the third time, if it hits, u won.


MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THE DAY OF THE WEEK, SO NOT FIGHT RAMAH ON LIGHTNING DAY, HE IS MUCH STRONGER ON THAT DAY, DUE TO HE IS A LIGHTNING BASED AVATAR. A GOOD METHOD WOULD BE TO FIGHT LIKE LEVIATHON ON LIGHTNING DAY--DUE TO IT IS WEAK TO THAT ELEMENT.

The lvl 20 skill cap is skill 63. I recommend getting to this skill lvl before u spend your money and time. I spent 150k trying to learn this strategy.

SUGGESTED ITEMS TO TAKE WITH YOU FOR EACH BATTLE
HI ETHERS (3)
HI POTIONS (6)
YAGUDO DRINK (3)
PUMPKIN PIE (1)

THE HI ETHERS AND HI POTIONS ARE MORE THAN I USED BUT JUST IN CASE SOMETHING DOES NOT GO PERFECT, YOU WILL HAVE BACK UP.

HAPPY HUNTING EVERYONE, HOPE THIS HELPS
RE: good strategy
# May 17 2004 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
Dude, Dont post 3 times
Safe Kill
# May 16 2004 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I beat Shiva today! no not a record setting kill and NOT with max summoning skill (I was only at 57 at the time). I did send carbuncle in to melee her for about 1/4 of the way while i stood halfway down the ramp. I did have to recast carbuncle 4 times and did use 2 yagudo drinks 2 high potions just incase I got hit by her super attack (it never came) and used a ether. once I got her down to 3/4 HP I use astral flow and searing light (doing only 210 each time i used it) and let carbuncle melee in the waiting period between blood pacts and resummoning him again when he died and using 2 ethers. So 6 mins 34 secs later and only 9K latter and i have a brand new body painted avatar.

I used the sheep herder in selbina to raise my fame in Bastok, San D'Oria, Selbina, Mhura, and rabao.

**Key to winning easy is to fight her on firesday**

Edited, Sun May 16 04:04:10 2004
Detailed Strategy that worked for me
# May 14 2004 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I developed a detailed strategy guide how i did it and won. Hope it helps you. I only used one ether, 2 yagudo drinks, and hi-potion. And he used his 2 hour on Carbuncle.

Won Against Ifrit

http://vanadielheroes.informationsystems.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197

StarEagle

Sandy FAME
# May 14 2004 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
Yesterday I prepped for this battle I'm going to be doing soon. For an issue of fame, I bought 25 stacks of Bat wings from the Windy AH and ran them up to Sandy.

25 stacks of bat wings goes for about 45k on my server.

Traded them all in, and now have Rank 5 Sandy fame, and enough to get the mini-fork. It only took me 20 minutes to trade in all the stacks.

I got a return of 30k from turning in the bat wings.

So, in all reality, I only spent 15k to get Fame 5 in Sandy in 20 minutes.

You need alot of starting capital, but it's worth the speedy fame if you're in a rush like me.

EDIT: Before I did this stint, I had 0 quest completed in Sandoria. I only went there before to hit up the AH and grab some synth items.

Edited, Fri May 14 14:24:25 2004
Strange Idea
# May 12 2004 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
Ok I thought about Sum20/NIN10, Dual weild 2 Hermet's wands? Would that be Spell interuption rate down by 50% ??? Cause realy what does WHM as a sub do for you when you do these Trial size quests? You can cast Aquaveil but is that the same as having one Wand? Some one else can always cast protect II on you. A little more MP subbing WHM, but everyone here talks about using massave amounts of Potions, so what would it matter? And also Which is a better day, Firesday: Shiva is weekened, or Lightsday: Searing light is stronger? I tried this quest once, got whooped, but didnt bring along any potions just to see what I was up against. I couldnt seem to be able to recast Carby, Shiva hits too fast ! LOL So next time i'm planning on the 2 Hermits wands, Any thoughts on this ?

Edited, Fri May 14 02:42:33 2004
RE: Strange Idea
# Jun 01 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
OK well I finally beat shiva ^^
Sum20/whm10 Summoning skill 39
equip used: Hermits wand
Scentles armlets
Light soleas
lev 9 head circulate def 4 eva 5
nomad tunic
Items used: 2 yagudo drinks, 2 HI-potions
Faught on lights day
All I did was aquaveli, protect 1, use drink right off the bat, cast carby, assault, run repeat for about 5 minutes until drink woar off, had to use one hi-potion during this time. I was at about 100mp when the drink woar off. Used 2nd drink, cast carby after he died, 2hr, searing light, run. hi-potion around this time. when i had chance to do 2hr again i did. 2nd 2hr killed her. I almost knocked my soda on the floor i was so excited! after beating her once, the other avatars have been just the same. i even beat ifrit on winds day using same stratagie and items. You dont need maxed summoning skill or eithers, searing light does do massave damage with only 10mp left, aquaveil woar off before i even did a 2hr, never used food items. just make shure your watching when carby dies, recast fast and be far away. But during 2hr stay close to carby.
Just some tips ^^
# May 11 2004 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I just spent 10k on this wuest (on potions only), and went in to fight shiva on firesday. everything went well untill when she had about 1/3 of her life left... I couldn't summon carbuncle -_- she kept attacking me :( Anyway, I'll do it again and make sure I run away after I use searing light, becouse that's what I think I was doing wrong. And also remember to run far away BEFORE carbuncle day so that you can easily summon him again. Becouse if she hits you when carbuncle is dead, say goodbye to victory. it's almost impossible to get him out then...

Good luck! ^^
easy
# May 11 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Default
for those who say its hard, stop complaining please. I took shiva very easily, on Fire day of course, brought crap loads of juice, and all that "fun stuff" also, bring stuff that restored MP right away, there are a few drinks that do, cant remember name ><. btw its alot easyer with Astral Ring X2, if you can get the rings, you should have no prob at all. Also, no when to release carby when his hp is low, my suggestion is make a macro that releases, summons again, then have him attack. Dont do this till your 18~20 or your not gona win. have fun!
GOOD IDEA SE
# May 04 2004 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I think these quests are a very good thing, sure it is a great an awesome task to get to 60 or 50ish or hell some people get their hand held at 30 into these things, and that makes them epic or whatever, but if you are allowed to pick summoner at 30 why cant you actually be a decent one till well one of your other jobs is 60.

These are not easy, i have watched a very good, hgihest lvl is 58 or 9 whm who wanted smn try this a few times, and the fight is very very very very very very tough, and still imo requires help of some kind, and at the very least great battle tactics and expensive juices and potions.

To everyone who ******* because they did the other one, and are pissed, go in, just use carby and see how hard it is, ill bet, only 1 in 5 or 10 summoners got the cash the balls and the moxy to do this fight and survive.

Good for se for actually making summoner playable to non uber people. I can actually party with a summoner now and not just see carbuncle, that is nice.
Avatar's weakness
# May 02 2004 at 9:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Avatars become weak depending on the day it is...
for example... Leviathan will be easier to beat on lighting day than other day.
How can you be bitter on behalf of someone else?
# Apr 27 2004 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I think this is crazy. I'm glad they implemented these quests. Some people are going on the quest to be a summoner from the start and just because they don't have numbers in levels to prove it doesn't mean they didn't do a hell of a lot of hard work and strategy.

These new quests don't jip anyone from anything, it just provides an alternative equally if not harder method of acquiring the avatars.

And I really can't see how you can become bitter for someone else seeing as though if you're not running around with all the avatars, don't complain. Not that there is really anything to complain about.

As for ruining the fascade and story of Summoners within FFXI. I still see it as a great accomplishment even after the patch. Just because "numbers wise" they didn't use high lvls to gain the ability to summon doesn't mean there was little hard work. Leveling, fame, and the skill and preparation it takes just to defeat them is enough to get a well deserved applause from me if I see someone summoning.

Summoning was a forbidden magic, ok yeah it was but that's kinda changing with the new age. And I believe putting all this personal input into gathering the avatars all on your own and doing so much hard work learning about the avatars and their history makes you a damn good summoner.

If anyone takes down Shiva Prime or any other avatar on your own. Kudos to you. You get mucho respect even if people think you got it an easy way because you paid for things to sustain you or because you didn't have all the levels.
I dont know
# Apr 26 2004 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
Ok well i have sat here and read all the yelling and complaining about oh we got jipped on our avatars. Well thats all well and good but does it matter.Even if lower lvl players somehow beat the mini avatars they still gotta lvl em up and fight the real avatars for the whispers. SO in all sense they actually have to do more now than before. Now before you trip out think about it ok now they gotta lvl to 30 then do the smn quest lvl to 20 beat a avatar single handedly , not one avatar but all 6 and then lvl up their main or smn to lvl 60+ and beat all 6 avatars AGAIN to get the whispers. Now i may be stupid here or just noob I dont care im a smn and I been playin for ahwile , but that sounds like twice the work for the same damn thing. And as for the mini avatars I tried shiva prime 2 times and titan prime 2 times and neither time with all that super ether and high potions and searing light did I even make a dent in titan , as for shiva i got close to killing her one time and thats it. Neither would leave me alone once carbuncle was dead long enough for me to summon him again. So i ask you this before you chastize the new system try it then ask yourself if you would wanna be in that lvl 20 smns shoes.I am there and i can tell you this i really am not looking forward to facing off against the avatars single handed again , but i will because i wanna be a smn and do my job well. NA please can anyone tell me if fame is involved for these quests. I have heard yes and i have heard no so i would like a striaght answer please fame yes or no ?


PS for all those ppl screaming NA players caused this thats crap you think japanese are superbeings that just love siting for hours on end lvling their chars just so they can fight the original avatars then turn around and lvl up their smn to be a decent char. Well i know good bunch of them and most are quite happy withthe change so speak for yourself when you claim this and that about jp you just might be surprised at what you find out.
RE: I dont know
# Apr 27 2004 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, from experience, they arent a walk in the park, but its just mainly about having carby keep the hate, and being far enough away to resummon without hassel. I used a wand called hermits wand (sp) it stops your spells from getting interrupted by 25% which is..i believe 1-2 hits extra before you get interrupted, and use elixers, MUCH less expensive then buying back to back hi potions/xpotionx/hi ethers/ etc. Super ethers work great, along with 2 hi ethers, and a yagudo drink.
RE: I dont know
# May 02 2004 at 4:08 AM Rating: Default
Thank you very much I am thankful for the help. I have squared off against shiva 2 more times since posting here and neither time have i had any succes so maybe the hermits wand it the key. As for super ethers and elixrs they seem to be very rare on my server. I have been to windy bastok sandy and jueno looking for them and have hadd no luck as of yet but ill keep looking. Again thanks for the advice i need all i can get.
RE: I dont know
# Apr 27 2004 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Fame IS required. I could not receive Trial Size Trial by Fire nor Trial by Fire, so I'm guessing the fame is the same for both. (I can get every other quest, however..)

Edit: Today I received Trial Size Trial by Fire with level 4 Windurst fame. Of course I still don't have enough fame for Trial by Fire. >.<

Edited, Sat May 8 05:28:59 2004
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 26 2004 at 12:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) These new quests are a joke they should never have been made and have made all the hard work of getting the avatars that so many others have gone through for nothing at least they still make u do it the old way to get the items them selves i as for otehrs will still do it the old way so that the ppl who did it be4 would not have wasted their time for nothing
RE: New Avatar Quests
# May 02 2004 at 4:19 AM Rating: Default
Wow incrediable you a ranger and warrior fought shiva and the rest of the avatars thats amazing that now a warrior can tell me a summoner how easy my quest is to do my job OH WAIT warriors dont fight avatars thats right what was i thinking. Dude you dont know what a joke is lets talk about a joke a warriors a joke all you do is sit there and take hate you have no special requirments other than being a meat shield. And now adays alot of you cant even be a proper meat shield. You let your whm die and so forth so till yall can find something absoulty hard about you job dont talk about how much of a JOKE mine is. You have no clue how much farming you have to do to get the money for one battle against the avatar and thats not even a sure thing your gona win so if you lose you have to farm a **** load more to replace what u used in the last battle. Then finding the items you need is a pain for instance sandy doesnt have super ethers so i have to travel to jueno to buy them but have to get elixers from bastok get the point. Then theres the battle its self , how about we take you throw you lvl capped at 20 in with shiva prime and see you pull off a victory. SO till you walked a day in a summoners shoes dont say **** about our quests being a joke.
RE: New Avatar Quests
# Apr 27 2004 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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How about you actually try these quests yourself before you say they're a joke and not hard work. People like you, Mr. Melee, have no clue how much hard work is involved in the Trial Size quests. And what's that old adage? Oh yeah.. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all... especially when you can't back it up.

Having done both Trial Size and the regular Trials, I can tell you from personal experience that these Trial Size quests are ANYTHING but a joke. I'd recommend people wait for the regular quests just for the fact that they are 100 times easier than Trial Size quests. But as a summoner myself, I know waiting sucks, so whoever wants to do Trial Size quests.. /hurray for you! Don't let people that are clueless bring you down. ^^

Edited, Tue Apr 27 01:42:02 2004
Interesting
# Apr 25 2004 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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The record for Shiva on the Ifrit server is just a hair over FOUR minutes. How the HELL can a level 20 SMN do that? oO
RE: Interesting
# May 04 2004 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Easy, they had outside help before entering (Protect IV, Shell IV, Barblizzra etc.) and they pumped out Astral Flow x3, with super ethers which is an instant kill basically, since with all the buffs, her 2hr wouldnt even scracth you. and having 2 super ethers..would make the dmg more, because one of the records was 2 minutes..
How to win!!!!
# Apr 25 2004 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
Ok i have all summons now excpet Fenrir.
the Secret to win is fight them on there weakest day. this means Fight shiva on Fireday not ice. If you fight her on ice day be ready to die.

Summons and weakness.

Shiva ----- Fireday
Ifrit ----- Iceday
Titan ----- Windsday
Leviathan - Lightingday
Ramuh ----- Waterday
Garuda ---- Earthday

I am not sure about Titan and Garuda but I hope this helps.
RE: How to win!!!!
# Apr 26 2004 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
Shiva ----- Fireday
Ifrit ----- Iceday
Titan ----- Windsday
Leviathan - Lightingday
Ramuh ----- Waterday
Garuda ---- Earthday

is the right order i found it on a japanese site with the real level 60 summons just need to kill them on the right day.
RE: How to win!!!!
# Jun 16 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
No, Jyneefur was right, the elements are not opposing, but rather in a wheel for which is strong against another
RE: How to win!!!!
# Apr 25 2004 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Shiva (ice) is weak on Fireday
Ifrit (fire) is weak on Waterday
Leviathan (water) is weak on Lightingday
Ramuh (lightning) is weak on Earthday
Titan (earth) is weak on Windsday
Garuda (wind) is weak on Iceday

This still does not, however, make them a walk in the park. I failed to defeat Shiva on Fireday, even with potions and buffs. But it does help a little.
How to win
# Apr 25 2004 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default
Ok i have all summons now excpet Fenrir.
the Secret to win is fight them on there weakest day. this means Fight shiva on Fireday not ice. If you fight her on ice day be ready to die.

Summons and weakness.

Shiva ----- Fireday
Ifrit ----- Iceday
Titan ----- Windsday
Leviathan - Lightingday
Ramuh ----- Waterday
Garuda ---- Earthday

I am not sure about Titan and Garuda but I hope this helps.
yeah
# Apr 25 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I killed shiva on fires day with just 2 Astral flows full MP, the ONLY bad thing about the avatars isnt the melee dmg they do..nor the elemental damage they do, its the ADDITIONAL damage that hurts. I killed her with only :

3 Melon Juices
2 Yagudo Drinks
2 Hi Ethers+1 (i think, or super ether)
1 Fishkabob
Protect, Shell II and Barblizzra (sp)
Bar spells only give you 40-50 resistance without equipment. NEVER..EVER..EVER fight her on ICEday, from experience..only fight her on firesday, and lightsday (since carby is light i think..)
Hmm?
# Apr 25 2004 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
Okay, now granted my SMN is only level 10, (but I wanted to get the tuning fork so I could start at any time) but Castilchat won't give me the quest! Is it a fame issue?

Of course after hearing about all the trouble people are having with the Tiny Sized Avatars, maybe I don't want to try this after all =^_^=
RE: Hmm?
# Apr 26 2004 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Alsatia - Perhaps it is an issue of fame. I'm not certain what the required level of fame is for the Trial Size quests, but I would imagine it to be similar to the fame required for the "normal" Trials. If you can get the "normal" quest, then clearly fame is not the issue here.
RE: Hmm?
# Apr 25 2004 at 1:14 PM Rating: Default
21 posts
It has been stated in countless places that you must be a level 20 SMN to receive this quest.
RE: Hmm?
# May 19 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I got this quest at level 16 Summoner. I'm currently trying to hurry up and level to fight Shiva. =)
RE: Hmm?
# Apr 25 2004 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
Okay well quoting from the quest description:

"You can attempt this as a summoner less than level 20, although it would be pointless. The recommended level (and level cap) is 20."

That kind of lead me to believe that you could attempt the quest as a summoner less than level 20. I dunno, must've been the way it was worded.
RE: Hmm?
# Apr 25 2004 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, I did this quest at level 19. Twice at level 19, actually.

Perhaps the fact that my Summoner was level 20 when I first got the quest had something to do with it though. When I went into battle, I didn't use my mini fork and instead was de-leveled by a very angry full-strength Shiva Prime. When I went back, I could still do the Trial Size quest at level 19, however I already had the mini fork at this time. So.. I don't know if you have to be 20 to GET the quest..
Astral Flow + ether strategy did not work for me
# Apr 24 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
I tried Titan using the astral flow > searing light > Hi-ether > repeat strategy and was able to get off 2 searing lights on him (with close to full mp both times) and it barely scratched titan at all, brought his hp down by about 1/10th so I dont think that strategy works.

Ive tried all the avatars now a few times each and the closest i got was against shiva where the battle lasted maye 5mins before i died and Shive had 3/4 hp left. The strategy I used for the fight was attack it with Carbuncle and use potions to mainain MP and run to the other end of the battlefield, wait till Shiva kills Carbuncle which takes about 30 seconds, resummon him ASAP and attack and move far away and resummon him when he dies again and repeated this method a few times. Problem is, the avatars come after you if you do anything at all whether it be use an item, cast a spell (any spell) or do a pet command or as soon as curbuncle dies they come straight for you. If you get hit once or twice it is basically over because when you cure yourself via magic or potion the avatar comes right at you again and hits you 1 or 2 more times and with the games best lvl20 SMN equipment you can only take 4 or 5 hits before you die. Anyways I used that strategy and lasted 4 or 5 mins. Im going to keep trying until i figure this out and when I do I will post my winning strategy here.

The Good - No XP loss when u die, can keep trying and you wont lose xp. Very challenging boss fight which was missing in this game, a PT or alliance of 60+ good players can kill just about anything in this game very easily, too easy if you ask me.

The bad - The cost of these fights, at lvl20 SMN Carbuncle sucks 2 mp per tick and you have to bring juices and ethers to maintain your mp the whole time, and according to the records on my server these are all roughly 10 minute fights to win. Also when you lose you cant retry it for 6-12 rl hours, Im not sure the exact retry time yet.



Edited, Sat Apr 24 12:26:15 2004
RE: Astral Flow + ether strategy did not work for me
# Apr 24 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
Try fighting the avatar on the day its powers are weakened (Ex: Ifrit on Watersday). Also, try equiping things that increase resistance against that particular avatars element.
From what I'm told, these are the avatars weaknesses:

Avatar Weakness
Ifrit Water
Shiva Fire
Garuda Ice
Titan Wind
Ramuh Earth
Leviathan Thunder

Please correct me if I've been mislead because I would like to know. Fighting it on a day that its powers are weakened has got to help. Thanks.
RE: Astral Flow + ether strategy did not work for me
# Apr 24 2004 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
Very challenging boss fight which was missing in this game, a PT or alliance of 60+ good players can kill just about anything in this game very easily, too easy if you ask me.


Do you really think that any alliance of 60+s or 70+s can kill anything in this game easily. I know this is off-topic for the whole mini avatar quest, but there are many NMs that can easily kill high lvl alliances. Ever tried killing Guivre, King Behemoth, Kirin, or any of the monsters in Dynamis. A HNM can kill an unprepared group fairly easily. I dont know what lvl you are, but there are many high-lvl challenges in the game.
RE: Astral Flow + ether strategy did not work for me
# Apr 24 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
what level is summoning skill for you ? If lower than 63, practicin summonin, release, repeat, rest.

Auto Summon with Release Hotkey, for practicin

/ma "Air Spirit" <me> (or carbuncle)
/wait 6
/ja "Release" <me>
/wait 4 (think it is 4)
/echo .

When you see '.' appear on screen, press hotkey again. Repeat til MP gone, rest, starts over again.

Avatarus~
# Apr 24 2004 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
Hiyas. I'm not a first time poster, but I'd just like to add a word or two. I started this game hoping to be a summoner. Long story short I played a WHM to get to level 30. I then continued to play a WHM to get to level 60 to get all of the avatarus. And now they add the ability to get the avatarus at level 20, and I'm a level 52 WHM. BLAH! Oh well... Anyway, I find the strategy w/ Hi-ethers interesting, however I'm going to suggest this: being a Tarutaru will GREATLY improve your chances of defeating these level 20 avatarus. Astral flow with the super-boosted MP of a tarutaru will blow everything else out of teh water! That's all ^^
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
I think these avatars are a waist of money! Today I went to Sandoria without knowing I even had the fame to do this but, turns out I did. So I trade him the fork and waited 5 hours game time to enter Shiva on Fires Day. Buffed up went and went in. Casted Carbuncle and headed up to fight; everything went fine no problems used 2 hi potions while in battle. Knocked the avatar down to 5% life with 2 seconds untill another searing light was ready. HITTING AND HIITING IT AND I SEE SHIVA CASTING SOMETHING, I FIGURED ITS OK 2 SECONDS ILL HAVE HER BEAT!!! Well 1 second left carbuncle died, Ran up the stairs to try and geyt carbuncle back out to win this. Boom smacks me and I had no chance with only 60 hp left and there was a sad excuse to loose. My other friend broke his controller and quit from another avatar and im doing the same!

2 ethers
1 drink
61 smn skill
2 hi potions
1 apple pie
Oh and Hi-Ethers BLOW!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:13:19 2004
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
I think these avatars are a waist of money! Today I went to Sandoria without knowing I even had the fame to do this but, turns out I did. So I trade him the fork and waited 5 hours game time to enter Shiva on Fires Day. Buffed up went and went in. Casted Carbuncle and headed up to fight; everything went fine no problems used 2 hi potions while in battle. Knocked the avatar down to 4-5% life with 2 seconds untill another searing light was ready. HITTING AND HIITING IT AND I SEE SHIVA CASTING SOMETHING, I FIGURED ITS OK 2 SECONDS ILL HAVE HER BEAT!!! Well 1 second left carbuncle died, Ran up the stairs to try and geyt carbuncle back out to win this. Boom smacks me and I had no chance with only 60 hp left and there was a sad excuse to loose. My other friend broke his controller and quit from another avatar and im doing the same!

2 ethers
1 drink
61 smn skill
2 hi potions
1 apple pie
Oh and Hi-Ethers BLOW!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:15:32 2004
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
I think these avatars are a waist of money! Today I went to Sandoria without knowing I even had the fame to do this but, turns out I did. So I trade him the fork and waited 5 hours game time to enter Shiva on Fires Day. Buffed up went and went in. Casted Carbuncle and headed up to fight; everything went fine no problems used 2 hi potions while in battle. Knocked the avatar down to 5% life with 2 seconds untill another searing light was ready. HITTING AND HIITING IT AND I SEE SHIVA CASTING SOMETHING, I FIGURED ITS OK 2 SECONDS ILL HAVE HER BEAT!!! Well 1 second left carbuncle died, Ran up the stairs to try and geyt carbuncle back out to win this. Boom smacks me and I had no chance with only 60 hp left and there was a sad excuse to loose. My other friend broke his controller and quit from another avatar and im doing the same!

2 ethers
1 drink
61 smn skill
2 hi potions
1 apple pie
Oh and Hi-Ethers BLOW!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:13:19 2004
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Default
I think these avatars are a waist of money! Today I went to Sandoria without knowing I even had the fame to do this but, turns out I did. So I trade him the fork and waited 5 hours game time to enter Shiva on Fires Day. Buffed up went and went in. Casted Carbuncle and headed up to fight; everything went fine no problems used 2 hi potions while in battle. Knocked the avatar down to 5% life with 2 seconds untill another searing light was ready. HITTING AND HIITING IT AND I SEE SHIVA CASTING SOMETHING, I FIGURED ITS OK 2 SECONDS ILL HAVE HER BEAT!!! Well 1 second left carbuncle died, Ran up the stairs to try and get carbuncle back out to win this. Boom smacks me and I had no chance with only 60 hp left and there was a sad excuse to loose. My other friend broke his controller and quit from another avatar and im doing the same!

2 ethers
1 drink
61 smn skill
2 hi potions
1 apple pie
Oh and Hi-Ethers BLOW!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:19:32 2004
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Default
I think these avatars are a waist of money! Today I went to Sandoria without knowing I even had the fame to do this but, turns out I did. So I trade him the fork and waited 5 hours game time to enter Shiva on Fires Day. Buffed up went and went in. Casted Carbuncle and headed up to fight; everything went fine np problems used 2 hi potions while in battle. Knocked the avatar down to 4-5% life with 2 seconds untill another searing light was ready. HITTING AND HIITING IT AND I SEE SHIVA CASTING SOMETHING, I FIGURED ITS OK 2 SECONDS ILL HAVE HER BEAT!!! Well 1 second left carbuncle died, Ran up the stairs to try and geyt carbuncle back out to win this. Boom smacks me and I had no chance with only 60 hp left and there was a sad excuse to loose. My other friend broke his controller and quit from another avatar and im doing the same!

2 ethers
1 drink
61 smn skill
2 hi potions
1 apple pie
Oh and Hi-Ethers BLOW!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:16:57 2004
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Default
I think these avatars are a waist of money! Today I went to Sandoria without knowing I even had the fame to do this but, turns out I did. So I trade him the fork and waited 5 hours game time to enter Shiva on Fires Day. Buffed up and went in. Casted Carbuncle and headed up to fight; everything went fine np used 2 hi potions while in battle. Knocked the avatar down to 4-5% life with 2 seconds untill another searing light was ready. HITTING AND HIITING IT AND I SEE SHIVA CASTING SOMETHING, I FIGURED ITS OK 2 SECONDS ILL HAVE HER BEAT!!! Well 1 second left carbuncle died, Ran up the stairs to try and geyt carbuncle back out to win this. Boom smacks me and I had no chance with only 60 hp left and there was a sad excuse to loose. My other friend broke his controller and quit from another avatar and im doing the same!

2 ethers
1 drink
61 smn skill
2 hi potions
1 apple pie
Oh and Hi-Ethers BLOW!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:10:29 2004
RE: Avatarus~
# Jun 22 2004 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry for all the posts!

Edited, Tue Jun 22 12:07:13 2004
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 24 2004 at 7:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i guess htere must be a lot of bad *** players around since the new quest is 'easy'. i guess they can ALL solo rank 3 dragon, then go solo the drg dragon then solo all the avatars in one day . gee i am SOOO impressed. thats what these whiners make it sound like...cake walk.
talky talky
# Apr 24 2004 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
lotta talking here :)
help?
# Apr 23 2004 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
18 posts
Is level 20 the cap? and if so can you get help or would that just make it to easy
RE: help?
# Apr 24 2004 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope you realize that Cheyenne means you can have spells cast on you BEFORE you get warped to Fei'Yin. Get yourself some Protect II+/Shell II+ (they DO help during the battle), but the fight itself is a solo event. NOBODY can warp with you to Fei'Yin. NOBODY can enter the protocrystal battlefield with you. And by NOBODY I mean.. NOBODY. Not even other Summoners under 20. NOBODY. ^^
RE: help?
# Apr 24 2004 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
Yes, lvl 20 is cap for mini avatars. You can haves people cast spells on you. Give mini fork to person beside Taru, then tell friend you ready for spells. When spells done, press ENTER to finish sequence and gets Warp to protocrystal.

Nots sure it will make it easy. You will still haves to do some good fightin to win.

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