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Trial Size Trial By Fire  

Realm:Outlands
Start Area: Kazham
Start NPC:Dodmos (J - 9)
Type:General
Related Areas:Ifrit's Cauldron
Related Mobs:Ifrit Prime
Min Level:20
Max Level:20
Rating
*****
(Average from 10 ratings)
Items Required:Mini Tuning Fork of Fire
Last Updated: Thu Aug 20 01:00:36 2009

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Summary

The Rhinostery has developed a new "mini" tuning fork of fire. Ringing it upon the protocrystal in Ifrit's Cauldron will open the path to a one-on-one battle with the beast that awaits inside. However, only summoners are allowed to take up this challenge.

Walkthrough

Things to remember:

  • This is a solo battle.
  • There is a level 20 cap on this battle.
  • There is a 15-minute time limit.
  • You can only use Carbuncle.

Speak to Dodmos at (J-9) in Kazham, standing next to Ronta-Onta. You must have at least level 3 fame in Kazham before he will allow you to do this quest. If you meet the requirements, he will present you with a Mini Tuning Fork of Fire.

  • This is not a key item, like the Tuning Fork of Fire, and therefore requires a space in your inventory.

When you have made your preparations, trade the Mini Tuning Fork of Fire back to Dodmos. He won't keep it. Trading him the Mini Tuning Fork of Fire will warp you directly to the Cloister of Flames for the fight.

Try to fight Ifrit on Watersday and do not fight him on Firesday

Upon defeating him, you will receive the ability to summon Ifrit to your side.

Strategies

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meet all requirments, still not getting fork :(
# Jun 28 2009 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
I am windurstian, 21 smn/10 whm, and I have 3 fame in bastok via "Only the Best". I checked flaco (NPC-Bastok) and according to him I have 3 fame.
ferrol (titan) still wont give me anything! help plz!
meet all requirments, still not getting fork :(
# Jul 01 2009 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
and it won't work anywhere else either!
Avatar Solo FIght Guide (Trial SIze by Quest)
# Nov 05 2008 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello! Ok i am on Pazaru on Siren Server here is my way for beating the Avatars im 6/6 on the level 20 Trial size Quest. To be a respectable summoner you should get all the avatars, with the exception of Fenrir and Diablos u will need a party of 70+ for these. also for Diablos to complete COP missions. All thanks go to the ForsakenKnights LS which has helped me along the way. Thank You!

1. Armor
-ok armor is important, the main Items you want are a Hermits Wand, lvl 13 -25% spell inturuption down (around 3k in AH) then a heko Obi +1, giving -8% spell inturuption (ive seen anywhere from 2-5k) then the highest level armor for level 20. I ussed the barons set with light soleas (+3 eva) and scentless armletts (+5 eva) then 2 energy earings and my windurstian ring.

2. Prep
-For each fight you will need 1-2 Yagado drinks (1-2k) i suggest bringing 3incase of emergency, 3 hi-potions (1k) bring more if u need, and 3 ethers (1-2k) note that Hi-Ethers are less expensive and give more MP but take alot longer to use so i suggest ethers. For every battle Buffs help ALOT! For my first battle Titan i Had a 75 whm give me Protect & Shell V, and Barstone that gave me +86 earth. Titan only hit me for around 12 dmg w/ special effect.

3. Days
the calendar goes: Firesday>Earthsday>Watersday>Windsday>Iceday>Lightningday>Lightday>Darksday>
fighting the avatars on days they are weak will help but is not completely neccisary. i fought Ifrit on Windsday and killed him in 4min 20sec. Note on Lightsday your Carbuncel Searing Light JA will always hit for full. NEVER fight on the the Avatars day it will own you. example Leviathan on Watersday bad idea

4. FIghting the Avatars
Ok the way i did it worked for me was get the buffs imediatly trade the mini fork to the Taru's assistant you will then be warped to the Protocrystal, u then trade the Minifork to the Crystal (IMPORTANT) if you just clikc on it u will be fighting the high lvl one and loss. then Run about halfway to the avatar to the 90% bend in the path. Stop there and use your yagado drink. then you will summon carbuncle then slowly approch the avatar spaming assault until carbuncle attacks. After carbuncle attacks run back but keep carbuncles HP bar in ur sight, the Avatar will usually use its 2hour, when carbuncle dies. Recast him Note that u will not need to use assualt carbuncle will automatically attack the avatar. then use Astral FLow, then Searing Light stay with carbuncle until it jumps into the air (dont worry the yagado drink will keep carbuncle summoned) then run back to the protocrystal and use and ether and a Hi-Potion if you need, somewhere in that time carbuncle will die, recast and use searing light again then run back to where the avatar started and use a ether and hi-po if needed. Resummon carbuncle and use searing light again this will Defeat the Avatar. CONGRATULATIONS! now read on

5. Alternate way
There is an alternitive way that takes much longer but a combonation of this way and the easy one may be neccisary. if the avatar kills carbuncle and you cannot get off searing light do not worry to freak out just recast carbuncle (it may be inturupted SMN skill helps) keep recasting untill you get him then run away and use ur HI-Potion then when carbuncle dies re summon then when carbuncle takes arrgo run away and let him hit on the avatar. Repeat this process untill Avatar is dead, use Hi-po and ether if needed. and eventually u will Kill your Avatar. CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN

6. Fame
For the Mini forks you will need to get fame in Bastok, Windurst, selbina, kazham, norg, and rabao (please consult to other guides for these)

7. Individual Avatars

-Titan
this will be your easiest fight no extra effects just attacking with earth i would suggest him first to get the feel of how to win

-Ifrit
This will be easy also like i said i won in 4min20sec on windsday he is the same as titan just hits alittle harder

-Leviathan
This will be alittle tougher as Leviathan can cause Gravity and can cure himself but just stick to the guide and do not worry

-Shiva
She will be tough with Ice Spikes but stick to the guide she's a pushover

-Garuda
one of my hardest fights she can heal and had a blink effect so knowing when to use 2hour wil be tricky but stay calm and wear her down

-Ramuh
Hardest fight for me by far with Lighting Spikes and Paralyze wich can kill your 2hour, have parylna with u but even if you lose your 2hour just use the alternitive method it works just as well but takes alot longer

(Avatars in order from easiest to hardest for me)

Thank you all for reading this hope it helps you! if you have any questions i am Pazaru on the Siren server feel free to message.
-Pazaru, ForsakenKnights


Edited, Jan 19th 2009 9:44pm by Pazaru
Just a thought...
# Jan 18 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Though quite a bit different, here was my strategy for beating the avatars at lvl 20. I've had several people tell me not to use this method, but as I killed 4 of them first try and 1 second try with it (Shiva killed me multiple times before I tried this method, which worked) I think it's worth some review at least. Tell me your thoughts...

Job: SMN/NIN
Weapons: duel equipped Hermit's Wands (-50% spell interruption)
Armour: Defense as priority on every slot but earrings and belt.
Belt: Whatever that belt is which gives you -8% spell interruption.
Earrings: Avatar element specific earrings, or defense. Sometimes I had no earrings of even defensive value, so not sure it mattered.
MP doesn't matter for this battle armour-wise so don't worry about it, because you'll just lower your defense.
Food: I always had some sort of crab meat.
Summoning skill: I made sure it was above 40. I think by my last avatar (Ramuh) it was around 47ish, while my first one (Titan, easy as pie) was around 41 or 42. While they did get easier after it got to lvl 45, it didn't make that much difference.
Items: I always had about 5 hi-potions, 6 ethers, and 2 yags. I don't think I EVER used all the hi-potions, and usually only used 1 or 2, but I wanted to be safe, and I knew I could sell whatever I didn't use.
Also, I never fought an avatar on it's strong day (Ifrit + Firesday = 3rd degree burns) and tried to fight them on their weak days. I could tell a difference when I fought on their weak day versus a regular day, but I was able to beat them either way.

Usually I would try to get a higher lvl protect/shell from someone nearby before I got warped over. If no one was around I didn't, and it didn't seem to make that much difference.

After entering the battlefield I ate, then I ran up to where I could just see the avatar. I summoned Carby, drank a Yag, and went to the edge of the circle to sick Carby on it without it aggro'ing me.
Right after Carby engaged it I would run up and use AF, then use Searing Light. [You have to be close to the mob (I was always close enough to hit it with my wands) when you use SL otherwise it'll get out of range of Carby and miss. You also cannot move after using it, or there's a chance Carby will miss. both of these are very important.]

After Carby used SL I ran past the first bend, drank a hi-potion and two or three ethers, and waited until carby was killed (I never rested). If he died before I got all my potions down I would simply summon him again, run out of range and drink the rest. I was pretty much ALWAYS ready (obviously) with mp before my timer was ready for another SL, so I would run back up to the Avatar and use it right when it was ready (being close and standing still etc.).
Immediately after the second SL I RAN AWAY, because I believe all but one of the avatars used their 2hr right away (this is the reason for the first hi-potion mentioned above, because you need full health for it's 2hr). As long as you have full life, it's not the avatar's strong day, and especially if you have elemental earrings etc., you shouldn't even be close to dying (I'm Mithra, so I don't know about Taru...).
This is where your Carby dies very fast, so drink an ETHER first, pull him back out (this is where that - spell interruption armor comes in), run far enough away to not get aggro for using a hi-potion, and use another ether or two.
Now just pull out the last 2hr and whale on it with Carby to kill it. Easy stuff, once Carby even died and I killed it by just hitting it, and I think another time I only got off 2 of my SL's. Your Yag may never wear off the whole fight, but just keep an eye on it. I had 2 just in case.
Also, they kept missing me after they used their 2hr, so even without the spell interruption armor Carby may have been able to come out. I know part of this has to do with being Mithra, but I think the NIN sub duel-equip is a good backup.
Oh, and my evasion was NOT that high, because my main is a RDM and I wasn't very high as RDM by that point.

A quick note for Ramuh: I let Carby hit him a few times before I engaged AF the first time, and might have even let him kill the first Carby as I ran backwards to give me enough time to summon him again before I used my AF. This makes it so when Ramuh uses his shock thing immediately (sorry, been a LONG time) YOU don't get hit with it, and carby either has enough time to recover or you're on a different, non-"shocked" Carby. Believe me, it makes a difference.

Things to remember about fighting the avatars:
1: You must have at LEAST twice the amount of magic points as the level you are to use an Astral Flow ability. This means if you are level 20, you need at LEAST 40 magic points to use Searing Light, though some say 41 magic points. While two ethers with a yag drink in effect will do it, you're not leaving yourself much margin of error (if done correctly, it should work every time though).
2: High-Ethers go off WAY to slowly for these battles. I have used them, but it's just not worth it. Trust me.
3: Don't move after using Searing Light, because Carby may miss, and be CLOSE to the avatar or it will aggro away from Carby. I was always right next to it, and it always got a hit or two on me before focusing on Carby again. Not a big deal.
4: Screw magic points, if you're using Astral Flow you'll only need enough to get Carby out and have him attack with SL. Get that defense up.
5: Be ready for the avatar's 2hr. Just... be ready for it.
6: Breathe
7: Use Macros for AF abilities, and possibly potions as well. Not necessary, but very, very handy and could definitely save your life.
8: Don't fight the avatar on it's strong day, and fight it on it's weak day if possible. Fighting it on Carby's strong day is okay, but as three Searing Lights will usually take it down anyway having the avatar hit you for less damage (especially with it's 2hr) is more beneficial than having Carby hit for more damage.
9: Have fun!

I know this strategy is a little more expensive and quirky, but I defeated four of the low level avatars with my lvl 20 SMN my first try with it, one my second, and only Shiva took me more because I wasn't using my strategy with her to start. Everyone told me Ramuh was a butt, but he wasn't that hard at all for me... and I think even paralyzed me before I used my AF once.
If your club skill is capped you can even do some "decent" damage dual-wielding if it's not dead after your third Searing Light (I believe I killed two of them this way, though my club skill wasn't capped if I remember correctly).

I hope this helps! SMN is a ton of fun so good luck to all of you!

Edited, Jan 19th 2008 4:33am by Middlemanpower

Edited, Jan 19th 2008 4:40am by Middlemanpower

Edited, Jan 19th 2008 4:47am by Middlemanpower
experimenting
# May 15 2007 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
This may be stupid but I am going to try doing fight with blu sub. Cocoon boosts def way more than protect albiet maybe not as long but more importantly base def is a little higher and you have metallic body, which is basically a 2min. stoneskin (harder hits may cause it to wear early iknow) anyway just experimenting. (aquaveil didnt help at all since i didnt make any mistakes until after it wore off) i.e. i didnt even get hit until it wore off >< so kinda a waste imo. i get back with how it worked out.

smn 20 whm 39 blm 20 blu 11 rdm 9 thf 7 war/mnk 1 ><
smn magic at 46
Dispose
# Feb 22 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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What if u throw away the tunning fork he gives u can u get it back by talking to him again?
Ifrit Strategy!
# Jan 15 2007 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I basically followed the technique used in the Avatar Section of http://www.summoner.info/ … GREAT! site btw I recommend checking it out… its got pics and all… answers a lot of questions and then some…

Instead of me yammering on and on about what I did… just go the site and read the strategy and ur good to go cus that’s the exact strategy I used… Happy Hunting!

If u look like this o.O when battling Ramuh… fell free to read my post about what I did in the “Trial Size Trail by Lightning” section… <found in Quest>By Realm>Other>… made some tweaks but basically same strat as the site given!

Ramuh 1/2
Shiva 1/2
Ifrit 1/2
Leviathan 1/2
Garuda 1/2
Titan 1/1

That site again is http://www.summoner.info/ … make sure u check it out…
Ifrit Strategy!
# Feb 15 2007 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default
49 posts
wow thaks for the link i followed the strategy and beat ifrit first time ^^ i recommend the website thats on the link
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how much
# Dec 17 2006 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
how much fame do u need for windy in order to get this i have fame 3 in windy not workin i have tele yhoat quest done tho
how much
# Jan 04 2007 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Should be able to do Solo, if you can do teleport quest. They are about the same Fame lvl.
lost so bad
# Dec 13 2006 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
34 posts
WARNED THIS IS HOW I LOSE MISERABLY, I DIDNT SEE HIM CAUSE MY VISISON WASNT LARGE ENOUGH SO HE DOUBLE PUNCHED ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEN I COULDNT CAST CARBY PLZ DONT DO THE SAME AS ME
WOW
# Aug 09 2006 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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this was fun... its easier than i thought it would be...
equipment:
main- Legionnaire's staff hp+ 6 mp+6
head- cottong headband def3 evasuion+3
Neck- Justuce badge def1 mnd+3
ear1- onyx earring mp+2
ear2- onyx earring mp+2
body- Doublet def10
Hands- Battle gloves def4 accuracy+3 evasion+3
ring1- Reflex ring Agi+2
ring2- reflex ring agi+2
Back- cotton cape def2
waist- Silver Moggle betl hp+2%
Legs- linen slops def7
feet- Light soleas def4 evasion+3

all i did in this fight was cast carby use yagudo drink run up to Ifrit and let carby auto attack then i ran back down as carby was attacking recasted carby as he died waited for ifrit ran back up casted carby again then did 2 hr then did searing light ran some of the way back down used 2 ethers casted carby again did searing light again waited and then did poison nails and he died

---edit---
you do get a scroll of instant warp when you defeat him and i you dont defeat him you just return to hp if you die lol

---edit again lol---
my smn skill was only 32 btw

Edited, Aug 9th 2006 at 7:08pm EDT by therealdarthneo

Edited, Aug 9th 2006 at 7:30pm EDT by therealdarthneo

Edited, Aug 21st 2006 at 2:01pm EDT by therealdarthneo
More Searing Light then you can handle
# Jul 14 2006 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
12 posts
Not sure if this will work or not, but I notice that after failing a SL right before logging, I got back on a day later and Astro Flow was still up. Thinking of trying this:
Go to Procrystal on darksday.
Use Protect and Astro Flow
Log off and wait for 2 hrs until Watersday
Log back on and still have time for at least 1 Searing Light before I have to start the next Astro Flow.
This way you can use at least 4 Searing Lights in case Carby misses one.
****
Haven't tried this yet, but if it working it might make all these guys just a little easier. Let me know if someone has tried this already.
Far from impossible
# Jun 30 2006 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I followed this article in prep for the Ifrit fight. Note, I completely depleted my on-hand inventory and stocked up on Hi-Potions and Mulsims, a few yag drinks and crab. My equipment was for the most part interruption rate down gear. I put around 50k into this fight (at least) so I have no clue what one person said earlier about all fights for 50k (perhaps that was pre-gilseller days or a little outdated).

I had to set macros for all these different items, so went off into yatunga jungle to test. Good thing I did because I misspelled Mulsim (which means dead summoner), and somehow goofed up the macro for Astral Flow lol. Anyway, test your macros! It was late lightsday by the time I got around to aquiring all items etc so I decided to wait until watersday. So I took a break and came back, had 2+ hrs to go until watersday. I decided to do something constructive and try to skill up summoning magic.

Note, summoning magic was only @ 24!! By the time I got the fight I was somewhere around 25 or 26.

The way you guys explained the area was a bit confusing so after I had a white mage buff me up I went there and kind of got a feel for what the conditions were like. I went up the long ramp and stopped to aquaveil/yag drink/bunky. Apparently I was too close to ifrit's platform, so by the time aquaveil got off he was in my face.

Tried to summon bunky, failed. Tried again, success. Popped yag drink, bunky hits, Astral Flow and Searing Light. MP goes to 0 before I could drop a mulsim so I have to resummon again w/Ifrit in my face. This time it works on first try, I try to Searing Light again, failed because ifrit moved too close to me. You guys can get the drift of the happenings here...if something was going to go wrong, it did!

I only got off 1 Searing Light, was aggro'd early and had to really pound a ton of hi-potions (TP attacks no Inferno). Somehow it all worked out and I finished him off with a banish.

Next up Shiva...to all you that haven't done this yet its not easy, but far from impossible. Just stock up on mulsims (stackable) and Hi-Potions. I used over 1 stack of mulsims btw...recommend 2 stacks.

Ifrit was defeated in 5:40...no record time, but still quick considering only one successful searing light.

-Woody
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bleh bleh bleh
# May 10 2006 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
6 posts
Does anyone know how much fame you need for the solo avatar fights? also, how do you get fame in all of the places.
Answer?
# Feb 02 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, I'm going to answer my own question.

There's nothing you can do to keep them from casting En-spells, even running up as fast as you can. What I'm about to say might be a "duh" for most of you who read this, but it really took me a couple of times for it to click in my head. Best thing to do is have the mindset of Monty Python's King Arthur.... [Run Away!!]

First, I dressed for the occasion (Smn/whm):

Equipment
Main: Hermit's Wand
Hands: Scentless Armletts
Head: Erudite's Headband
Waist: Heko Obi+1
Body: Trader's Saio
Neck: Feather Collar +1 (for the def)
Back: Mist Cape
Feet: Light Soleas
Ear: Silver Earring +1
Rings: Fasting Ring and Astral Ring

During one of my battles with Leviathan I noticed that me missed me 4 times. That's when I decided to add the Headband and the Silver earrnings.

Summoning skill: lvl 41 -_-;

Second, the standard: Protect, Aquaveil, boiled crab

After the cutscene, run up to where you can just see the avatar and start casting Carby right away. The avatar will come for you, and Carby will attack the avatar w/out having to use Assault. I discovered that when doing this, the avatar did the opening BP on me. Hey, if I take a hit or two for Carby, then that means he'll last longer, right? He's not going to hate you for very much longer anyways.

Right after you cast Carby, ignore the Avatar's advances. Yagudo Drink >> Astral Flow >> Searing Light. Now that the Avatar isn't looking, run away until you can only see Carby's name. Hi-potion (or just a Selbina Milk if you're not yellow- you use this at some point when it's safe)>> Ether. By then Carby will probably be dead.

Recast Carby. The moment you're sure Carby's gonna go off, run down the hill. The avatar will chase you, and ignore Carby for the most part, even though he's doing his best to defend you. This gives you time for your next BP to reset.

By the time you get to the bottom, the avatar will probably be still trying to catch up with you. You'll have time to use Milk or Ether if you haven't already, and a Hi-pot if needed. BTW, I put /recast "Blood Pact" in ALL of my macros, so that whatever I did, I could see how much more time I had. Extremely helpful, I found.

Turn around and make a face at the Avatar and hit SL. Once you see Carby jump in the air and are sure SL hit, [Run Away!] again (back up the hill). At this point, the Avatar will most likely use its 2hr. You'll probably get hit and Carby will die (if you don't get hit, then whoo hoo!!). You gotta be fast and hope the avatar is slow. Hi-potion >> Carby. If you get interuppted, try again. If your HP gets low, use a Hi-Pot, then keep trying Carby until it goes off. Then, continue running up the hill again and keep running until you can't see Carby's HP, or can't run any more. Carby will probably do enough damage to turn the Avatar away from you.

Now, your BP should almost be ready. If Carby has low HP, wait for him to die. You will have enough time to cast a 3rd SL. Recast Carby and beckon the Avatar to his death (you may have to run toward the Avatar if he was far away). If you get Carby off, you know he's finsihed. Wave goodbye.

Got the record for Garuda (4min 33sec) and Ifrit (3min 42sec) doing it this way. Took down Leviathan using the exact same method 2 hours after Ifrit.

I hope that helps those of you still working on these guys. The problem I had with reading all the posts was that information was somewhat vague on where to run when and such. And I was very frustrated during battles because sometimes I just didn't know what I should do next, so I've attempted to give a little more detail.

Good luck, and "Never give up! Never surrender!" (*^_^)b




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Job/Level: Whm 75, Mnk 75, Smn 40, Brd 45, Blm 37, War 37, Nin 37
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Kills: Jailer of Love, Jailer of Justice, Vrtra, Tiamat, Nidhogg, Fafnir, Cerebus, Hydra, Khimaria, Proto-Omega, Proto-Ultima, Kirin, Suzaku, Genbu, Seiryu, Byakko, Bahamut, Dynamis Lord
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RE: Answer?
# Mar 30 2006 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I just tried this quest on the Hydra server. It was my first avatar battle. It's all goin good, I'm not panicking or anything. I get the first SL and it does 210 damage "Awesome". So I go back to the crystal, recast Carbuncle and drink an ether. I also down a melon juice (beta server is low on yag drinks and their expensive since no one can make them) since I didnt want the one I already had to wear off.

So I prepared to do the second SL, then ifrit does Fire 2 and kills carby, no problem, recast and do 104 damage >.< "Alright, I still have one more." So I run up and get ready for the last one. "Carbunlce readies Searing Light... Ifrit Prime takes 104 points of damage." 0.o

As you guess die (thanks to inferno). Well it was the most exciting thing I've done in this game so far =). Anyways I was doing really good till it resisted SL twice. I'm planning on doing it again tomorrow if I can get some gill to get more supplies. I was wondering if theres any way to reduce the chance of it getting resisted?

EDIT: I tried this quest again and won.

I brought the following:
3 hi potions (used all 3)
3 ethers (didn't use any)
5 melon juice (used 3)
1 boiled crab

What I did is use the safe method. I used my first 2 melon juice to let Carbuncle melee so it only cost 1mp per tic. Once I got down to 70mp (Ifrit was at 70% hp by now)I used the 3rd melon juice and I activated Astral Flow. I used first Searing Light. I run up and wait for the second (and last) Searing Light, I use it and win. I think its a bit easier this way as Ifrit will be weaker from the meleeing so even if 1 or 2 Searing Lights resist you will still win.

Edited, Mon Apr 3 15:26:41 2006
En-spells
# Jan 27 2006 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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It doesn't seem that anyone ever talks about the Avatars using spells like "en-fire," etc. If the avatar has this cast on them, they really pwn Carbuncle (and you).

From what I experienced, if the avatar has an en-spell, then Carby will die somewhere around 30 seconds until your next BP is ready, which means you have to figure out how to kill some time w/out getting killed.

With my luck, on second Carby cast, Ifrit got Carby down to half hp, then cast Fire II and leveled him when BP had 10 seconds left. I had been standing in pretty close proximity to Ifrit, getting ready for SL, but then suddenly noticed that Carby wasn't there... Got interuppted 3 times and died. Yeah, my summoning skill is only ~30.... -_-;

When I defeated Garuda, I noticed that Carby lasted a lot longer against her (it was Firesday) and by the time I recast Carby and used Assault and Garuda was in range, BP had only 4 seconds left. I'm pretty sure she didn't have En-aero, but I'm not positive.

Anyone have suggestions or a similar experience? My brother (75smn) said that sometimes they just have it, and suggested zoning if I noticed that the avatar had an En-spell. He said you should be able to re-enter the battle and try again, but he's not positive.

Thanks!
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San d'Oria Rank 10
Job/Level: Whm 75, Mnk 75, Smn 40, Brd 45, Blm 37, War 37, Nin 37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jtyUMamcts
Kills: Jailer of Love, Jailer of Justice, Vrtra, Tiamat, Nidhogg, Fafnir, Cerebus, Hydra, Khimaria, Proto-Omega, Proto-Ultima, Kirin, Suzaku, Genbu, Seiryu, Byakko, Bahamut, Dynamis Lord
Progress: Rise of the Zilart O; Chains of Promathia O; Treasures of Aht Urghan, 'Shield of Diplomacy' (TAU22).
mini fights
# Aug 29 2005 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Mini Avatar Fights



What you need: level 20 SMN/WHM

Tuning Fork for Avatar

1 stack of Mulsum

6 Hi-Potions

1 Yagudo Drink

1 Boiled Crab

All equipment that helps with spell interruption

Good Timing



Attention: This is a very different approach to the normal “Cast Carby...wait to die ...Recast Carby” method. This is a very “Guns-A-Blazen” technique.





Step 1 Acquire Tuning fork and accept warp to crystal location.

Use Boiled Crab and cast Protect. (No need to regain MP)



Step 2 Trade Tuning fork to crystal and enter battle field.



Step 3 Run up the path till you are a small distance outside of agro range from Avatar

Summon Carbuncle and use Yagudo Drink.



Step 4 Move close enough to have Carby assault the Avatar. As soon as Carby hits (or misses) the Avatar hit Astral Flow, immediately followed by Searing Light 2hr.

Important!! Never move while using 2hr wait for Carby to hit before moving again.



Step 5 This is where a little luck comes into play. After using Searing Light your mp will drop to zero. As soon as that happens use a Mulsum other wise Carby will disappear and the Avatar will come after you. Be aware of the Avatar’s 2hr, it can kill you in 1 hit. If you see the Avatar ready its 2hr do whatever it takes to get out of range. If you get hit and live through a 2hr use 2 Hi-Potions and you will be in good shape.



Step 6 Time to prepare for the next Searing Light. Carbuncle needs at least 40 mp to use Searing Light again, so use as many Mulsums as needed. Wait for the recast timer to run out and use Searing Light again. Remember do not move till Searing Light is done. I have defeated Avatars in 2 Searing Lights but not all fall that easy. If need be use Mulsum, avoid 2hr (if Avatar hasn’t used it already) and prepare for another Searing light same as before. No Avatars have lived through 3 Searing Lights.



Note: If at any time carbuncle dies or disappears simply summon him again. If Avatar hits you and interrupts your cast use Hi-Potions as needed and try again. This is why the Spell interruption gears are needed, and believe me it helps a lot.









Macros

Mulsum- /item “Mulsum” <me>

Hi-Potion- /item “Hi-Potion” <me>

Yagudo Drink- /item “Yagudo Drink” <me>

Astral Flow- /ja “Astral Flow” <me>

Carbuncle- /ma “Carbuncle” <me>

Assault- /pet “Assault” <bt>

Searing Light- /pet “Searing Light” <bt>

Banish- /ma “Banish” <bt>



Best Day to fight Avatar:

Shiva- Firesday

Ifrit- Watersday

Ramuh- Earthsday

Leviathan- Lightningday

Garuda- Iceday

Titan- Windsday



Lightday is Carbuncles day. Fight any one on that day.



Hope this helps and Good Luck ^^

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# Aug 11 2005 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
The mini Avatar fights can be nerve racking and with the huge walkthroughs that people give it is even a further burden to try to remember it all. I've won the battles, I'll do this nice and simple for you, the necessities.

1) You only need 2-3 yugudo drinks, the 25% spell interuption wand, and 1 boiled crab per fight.
2) You may opt for potions if you feel like it, I've never needed one.
3) Carby has a 30 second recast time, so if he dies right after you summon him you're need to run!
4) Searing light will interupt if the avatar is moved even a smidge. When you que searing light make sure you are next to the avatar.
5) Whenever you see the avatars ready their 2hour, RUN.
6) 3 sucessful searing lights will kill any Avatar.
7) Carby costs mana to summon even while you are flowed, don't ever forget to use a yugudo drink when you use flow.

The Avatars will randomly cast their level 2 spells and do bloodpacks. You can't stop them. The fights will take between 3-12 minutes to beat. All the Avatars are basically the same. Don't panic, don't get all nerveous. It is an exciting fight but don't get so wound up that you start making mistakes.
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# Jul 21 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
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ok so i was trying to get the avatars and i started with shiva (got frozen) then titan (got burried) and so i tried ifrit thinking i was going to get burned.

so i am hume smn/whm with good gear spend lots of gil had 300+ hp and 180+ mp got protect II and Shell (not II). here are the items i took with me:

Boild Crabx1
Yag Drinkx3 (only used 2)
Hi Potionx3 (only used 2)
Hi Ethersx3 (used 1 for safty could have done without any)

so i enter eat the crab cast aquaveil and rest then i run up the stairs and half way up i drink a drink and summon carby. then i run over and use the assult macro on ifrit and then once carby attacks him and i know hate is on carby i hit posion nails then run away! carby fights for a while then he dies i am down by the crystal by now so i summon him again have him fight ifrit i make it 1/3 of the way back up and then ifrit hits fire II which outright killed carby. that is when i discovered....... he is slow! i summoned carby back and had him fight him some more this is where things went wrong...... i was running down to the crystal when i noticed carby still had full hp and i turn around and ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ifrit had followed me and carby was on his tail so i turn and run back up the stairs and 1/2 way up carby pulls him off me. i pop another yag drink and wait carby dies i resummon him and run down the stairs at this point i am at 90 mp so i wait for carby to die resummon him ifrit has 3/4 hp by now so i hit astral flow and use sl, it hits for 210 and i run away and pop a hi ether and carby dies and i start to resummon him and it takes 2 tries cause ifrit does get to me (stupid hi ether use time) so then i run back down the stairs and ifrit hits inferno O_O!!!! -.- completely misses me but carby gets blown up i hit the carby macro and i need more time so i run as far back as possible and try manege to get carby off takeing a hit for 8 points of damege from ifrit (this is where i poped a hi potion although 8 damege is not something you should worry about) hit the sl macro hits him for 210 and he died. yay! so i did it in 10 min (record is 3 on odin). btw i fought him on earths day so it was weird he was cake compaired to shiva and titan. so my advice is to spend you money on great gear first great items second cause if you have great gear you don't need as many items
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Waiting period?
# Apr 25 2005 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a quick question: Anyone know how long you have to wait once you lose a battle? Is it longer than a Vana'dial week? I'm peeved... got a protect iv and shell iii lined up, then went to trade the fork to the npc... and he didn't do anything. I almost cried... not really though. But kind of...
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# May 04 2005 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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# Jan 26 2006 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Japanese midnight. So if you're PST, for example, you can try it again at 8am.
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RE: Waiting period?
# Dec 08 2005 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure it's a full earth day. I tried at 4:40pm the other day, and lost, and tried to try again (lol) at midnight- it wouldn't let me. I tried at 8am the next day and still no luck. Went afk for awhile and decided to try one more time before logging out. At 9am they let me back in.

I'm thinking it might be every earth day in Japan, kind of like the Red Mage AF boots quest. So depending on when you try, you might not have to wait 24 hours. Can anyone confirm this?
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# Mar 20 2005 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, there's no doubt about it... these fights are UNBELIEVABLY annoying. Don't worry though you WILL eventually get throught them, and the reward is worth the effort =)

Okay so after getting my butt kicked numerous times when I first started out, I've developped what has become an almost 100% successful method for these battles.

Now it costs a lot (depending on your server, for me this method can cost from 15k to 22k PER fight on Asura).
Here's what you need:

Potion X 5
Hi-Potion X 2
Ether X 5
Yagudo Drink X 3
Selbina Milk X 12 (just a clump of em will last for a loong time, and they're cheap too, only about 200G for 12)

Okay so very simple strategy. Get your hand on a Hermit's Wand and ANY other equipment that lowers spell interuption rates (like Heko Obi +1 for example), the rest of your equipment try to find things that raise your EVAsion stats, otherwise anything with the highest defense.

Now, when you enter the battlefield IMMEDIATELY cast Protect and Aquaveil (if using a SMN/WHM, I haven't tried any other combo), or you can try to get a Protect II or III from some nice player before entering the battle. Now having macros set for these fights helps a lot (I will post my macro list right after this).

Run up the ramp until you can see the avatar in the distance and cast Carbuncle right away. Use a Yagudo Drink RIGHT AWAY after summoning (it restores MP).

Use assault of the avatar where you summoned Carby (MAKE SURE that the avatar if busy with Carbuncle before moving) now run to the top and hide beside the crystal. Try to run far enough away so you no longer target the avatar and you can no longer see Carbuncle's health, only his name, you know then you are at a safe distance.
Now that you have a chance, use the Selbina Milk (it gradually restores HP). Be very alert during these battles, and restore anything that wears off if you feel you are safe to do so.

After a minute or so Carbuncle will be defeated by the avatar. DO NOT PANIC, this will happen MANY times during the fight, so get used to it. When you see Carbuncles name dissapear from the bottom of the screen summon him again RIGHT AWAY, DO NOT WASTE TIME. Once he pops out again, mash the Assault macro, and once the avatar has targeted Carby again, run back to the place you summoned Carby for the first time (a lot of people say to run back down to where you enetered the battlefield, personally I found this a waste of time, and it actually caused me MORE difficulty, so just do what you feel comfortable with).

Keep letting Carby get wooped until you either:

A) Have the avatar's health down to about 3/4's
OR
B) Have less that 70 MP remaining.

Now's when you break out the 2-Hour.
Once Carbuncle has been freshly summoned, let the avatar come close to you and use Astral Flow, it WILL come after you, but don't worry. Now hit the Searing Light macro, and WAIT until Carby hit it before running away, otherwise you'll completely miss the target. This is EXTREMELY important!!! USE at LEAST 2 or 3 ethers IMMEDIATELY!!! Otherwise Carbuncle will dissapear due to lack of MP, and you will most likely DIE! After using the Ethers run to a safe spot (as mentioned before by viewing only Carby's name nd the bottom) and use potions as needed (Hi-potions if in the yellow and regular potions if you are below 75%HP).

Make sure you have at least 40MP remaining and continue the "Carby dies, you re-summon" method until you can re-use Searing Light. Follow the same directons as before, stay CLOSE to the avatar and wait for Carby to use it.

Using this method, the second Searing Light should do the avatar in. If for some reason it doesn't, then follow the same directions as before, and pray you have enough time to get another Searing Light in before the 2-Hour wears off.

And there you have it! This method has worked for me 90% of the time. Why 90%? Because I once continued hitting the wrong macro thinking there was some glitch with the game rather than using Searing Light, which lead my 2-hour to expire and Shiva to kick my bum. Other than that extremely stupid mishap, I've won every other time.

Don't worry you CAN do it! It just takes practice, it's very rare that anyone can get an avatar on their first try. Good luck!
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# Apr 13 2005 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's the Macro list I promised:

1. Carby (/ma "Carbuncle" <me>)
2. Astral Flow (/ja "Astral Flow" <me>)
3. Searing Light (/pet "Searing Light" <bt>
4. Potion (/item "Potion" <me>)
5. Hi-potion (/item "Hipotion" <me>)
6. Ether (/item "Ether" <me>)
7. Milk (/item "Selbina Milk" <me>)
8. Assault (/pet "Assault" <bt>)

Now in case you're wondering <bt> isn't a typo... it target the closest mob, so you don't have to target the avatar all the time.

One thing I forgot to mention before...
Sometimes Carby dies too quickly, and you cannot summon him again from a safe distance. The avatar WILL come after you and WILL interupt your summoning. Here's where the Hermit's Wand and the Heko Obi+ 1 come in handy, as well as any equipment that raises evasion (like Scentless armlets or Compound Eye Circlet). Raising your SMN Magic skill will also help with this situation, you'll want to try to get it to at least 40 before attempting these battles, it doesn't take too long, and it helps quite a bit.

Don't worry, it'll happen at one point with at least one of the avatars you fight. Don't lose it, just keep trying to summon and eventually (hopefully) Carby will pop out.

I wish you the best, any questions feel free to contact me at lion_heart3050@pol.com or just send a message online to Svalitz (Asura server)

Good luck!
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# Jan 13 2005 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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sorry to hear that some of u may not like or have had bad luck using the smn/nin method. i believe it works cause i used it for a tarutaru and a hume, and well i only lost to ifrit and ramuh on the tarutaru and ramuh twice and leviathan once on the hume... maybe u guys are doing something diff... or maybe ur too nervous. if u dont like to sub nin , then sub whm its the next best thing for aquaveil and paralyna. if you have any questions and ur on garuda server send me a /tell i'll help u out if im not too busy
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# Jan 07 2005 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I forgot to also say that it IS possible to beat an avatar w/out using your 2 hr's. Of course I nearly lost due to time >.> But it is doable. Just do like any good beastmaster and when you sic Carbuncle on the mob, run to the exact opposite location. Usually this is the area you are when you first zone into the battle arena where the crystal is and the the top area where the avatar first is when you begin battle. You can also use this time to monitor your HP/MP and make sure that your prepped when the avatar comes at you!
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# Jan 07 2005 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Talk about a messy thread >.> Anyways I've killed Ifrit on 2nd try and went 4/7 usign different set-ups.
On set-up #1, your sub job is NIN and you basically depend on trying to outlast Ifrit (and other avatar) since you can cast Carbuncle faster. The pro's of this set-up is that if you've played beastmaster, you may prefer this set-up and won't panic when the avatar's use their bloodpact's against Carbuncle. The main drawbacks of it are (1) if your not a tarutaru, the MP drain will be horrible and you will need more Yagudo Drinks and Ethers as a result, (2) a pro-longed battle risks you running out of time causing you to loose and (3) you loose the advantages of MP, MND, Protect and some bar-spells subbing NIN. Although its fun to melee an avatar along with Carbuncle, you will also be prone to any spells/attacks from the avatar and you CAN pull hate from Carbuncle easily causing you to die rather fast (;.;)
On set-up #2[b], you sub WHM like you would usually do and buff up inside as you normally do. Like all the posts before, you rely on searing light to do the job. There are 3 importants thigns to remember about searing light that alot of smn's seem to not know when doing their Trial Sizes for the first time. First, when you start Astral Flow, you will pull hate for a few seconds, so you want to be sure that you are next to the mob when using it. Alot of players I've talked to run as soon as activating Astral Flow and carbuncle can't use it since the mob is chaseing you (make him/her too far from Carbuncle). The other part is that since it drains all MP, you want to be using a Yagudo drink right before you activate yoru attack to ensure that Carbuncle is attacking while your running away for safety. Finally you can use Searing Light about 3 times (4 if really lucky) in a battle, so timing it and putting it to good use can make the battle easily yours!
On set-up #3, you can sub blm and carry alot of ether's and potions and nuke the mob to death. As a elvaan/hume, you can tank a good number of hits pending on gear. While you wull pull hate from Carbuncle, you need to be sure to put Carbuncles bloodpact ability to good use durign the course of the battle.
In my experience the best set-up in terms of safety gratest chance of success and most cost efficient is subbing whm. If you want to set server records, sub a NIN lol! Also, other than the typical potions, hi-ether, ether, yagudo drinks and pies, the only other item i recomend that alot of ppl pass up on is Selbina Milk! Alot of ppl who do trial size pass it up and I think its a sahme since it only regen's HP =/ When using Selbina Milk I've been able to take more risks since I dont have to immediately dish out a potion for my HP, so start using that Selbina Milk! Its less than 100 gil each in sandoria for you cheapos who complain about gil >.<
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# Jul 10 2005 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah milk! Milk is sold by a regional vendors and is super cheap, and I have discovered that it stacks as a drink!! so you can chug a yagudo drink and a milk for both mp and hp regen (or a vampire juice) may even stack with aulaits I will have to find out. I often have this in cooking cause there is never butter (or it is over priced)and I often use or hand out the extras to my tank, which always gets the response "what's this for?" awesome drink for melee jobs pre lvl 10 you can take bigger mobs on more safely. Keep that Tp chug a milk. Now to kill some avitars...
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# Jan 04 2005 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I lost 5 times to Garuda , then once to this guy . I tried to sub Ninja and used two Hermit's Wands , that did not work . So I bought two Decurion's Daggers that I got with Conquest points . They work great . I have 55 inventory from doing Gobbie bag quest , so 55- 16 inventory for equipment =39 slots for High Potions and yag Drinks . 7 Yag drinks for good luck and 32 High Potions . If you don't use them all , sell them back , it is worth it in the long run. I beat him with the Daggers , every time I used searing light the avatars killed carbuncle , so I would get mad and attack with the daggers and cure myself with High Potions . I kept trying to cast carbuncle and eventually it worked and i took the avatar down !!! After that I beat Garuda later and Shiva , all within the same day .
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# Nov 02 2004 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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ok here's how i did most my avatar fights....
{macros}
/ma "Carbuncle" <me>
/pet "Assault" <bt>
/pet "Searing Light" <bt>
/ja "Astral Flow" <me>
/item "Yagudo Drink" <me>
/item "Ether" <me>
/item "Hi-Potion" <me>

{Items}
4 Yagudo Drinks (YD)
3 Ethers
3 Hi-Potions
{Job}
smn/nin
{REASON}(dual weild) 2 Hermits wands 50% chance of getting carby back out if something goes wrong.
{Strategy}
enter battle feild and go a little past bend and use YD, then summon carby and make way to avatar stay out of aggro range and inch ur way to avatar while mashing assault macro. carby should go straight to him without u getting aggro. run back past the bend a lil bit... while waiting there mash ur carby macro til carby gets summoned after carby comes out wait for him to engage then run back behind crystal as far as u can go and mash carby macro. after he gets summoned wait for him to engage and run past bend a lil bit...use YD when it runs out and do this over and over til ur 2nd yagudo drink runs out {REASON} to wittle his life down so u can use 2 Searing lights instead of three. NOW his life should be at 5/6; when ur second yagudo drink runs out... wait for carby to die. when u summon him pop a yagudo drink and use astral flow right away {REASON} cause u get all hate right now....then when carby hits avatar he takes all hate in 1 to 2 hits. Now run up to avatar make sure ur 'close' hit searing light macro( you dont have to target avatar /pet "Searing Light" <bt> automatically tagets the "partys" mob)...bam carby has all hate take off running to other side of map {REASON} need time for Blood Pact to come back. carby dies u summon him... pop ether and follow carby to avatar Searing light should be ready... and hit searing light macro to kill him.

I've only lost to leviathan and ramuh all others took me 1 try with this method. Hope this works for all u smns out there!
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what is searing light
# Oct 29 2004 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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ihave no clue what is searing light?
and how do u use it. i checked it for weapon skill but its not. help me out here
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# Jan 19 2005 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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When using Astrial Flow (the smn 2hour ability) a new blood pact will appear for each avatar. This "mega attack" is a aoe elemental attack that drains all the user's mp. The element of the attack depends on the avatar. Searing Light is the "mega attack" for carbuncle; it does a large amount of light damage.
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Does IFRIT have High DEF???
# Oct 01 2004 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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umm yeah...
I had the same problem some others have had dealing w/ Ifrit and the issue where he is only taking about 50-100 dmg on first 2 SL's.
All other avatars i have fought i have gotten about 200+ or near that on first two instantly killing them w/ a 3rd (when successful on 3rd lol...and not forgeting something as has been the case with Ramuh). Hmmm. SMN magic skill capped at 63 and fought him on Watersday.
Incidentally the others i have beaten were Garuda and Titan on Lightsday and Shiva on Firesday.
Any insight would be helpful :-) Regrouping for tomorrow's battles hehehe.

Edited, Fri Oct 1 18:11:50 2004
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# Oct 02 2004 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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UPDATE:
Just fought Ifrit on Lightsday...would have killed him w/ 3rd SL if i hadn't hit wrong macro and timed it faster...rather b4 he readied Fire II, cast it on Carby, and took him down in one hit. (don't understand why readying SL didn't put aggro on me...but i think it might be b/c he started to cast FireII a few seconds b4 i commanded Carby to do SL...o well)
So my advice is fight Ifrit on Lightsday(or any avatar that seems resistant to SL on their "weak" day...b/c then SL inflicts more dmg.
Using the 3 SL method has worked extremely well for me and IMO makes these fights easier...it is all about timing. Shiva, Garuda and Titan thru this method and almost Ramuh (if i had remembered to use an ether, D'OH!)

UPDATE (again):
Just beat Ifrit on Lightsday :-) w/ 3 SL method - although i had to use Dia on him to get the last 3-4 HP he had left and let Carby hit him twice...
so...even on Lightsday tho significantly weaker to SL u must be ready to end the battle with a spell of ur own...just a word of advice-might sound easy but it can be very nerve wracking when u have little HP/MP and Carby is about to die and Ifrit still hasn't 2HR'd...GL to everyone hope my experience can help someone
ITEMS USED:
Yagudo Drink x1
Ether x2
Boiled Crab x1
WHM SPELLS CAST:
Protect
Aquaveil
Dia (at the end)

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mini tuning forks
# Sep 19 2004 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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is it possible to get more than one mini tuning fork at a time?
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# Sep 20 2004 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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yes as a matter of fact i have the mini tuning fork of ice lightning and earth right now
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WTF?!?
# Sep 17 2004 at 9:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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well i got a new one for ya went in, buffed everythign up right for the 3 searign light method, brought out carb.

first searign light: 51 yes, only 51 damage
second searing light: 210
third searing light: 210

he had about 1/12 of his life left, but i was using melon juice (lack of funds and yags at the AH) and had no mp, was outa hi potions. never had a chance after that. had the first one had done 104 i woulda beat the bastard.
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# Sep 19 2004 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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lol that happened to me when i was fighting leviathan only my searing light hit for 0 damage (and yes it did hit)
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It seems there's a lot of confusion about the avatar battles... Here's the deal: you go to the NPCs as a smn of 20+, they will give you the tuning fork and tell you to trade it to them when you are ready. When you do this, they will ask if you want to be teleported, saying yes takes you to the room that houses the Protocrystal of whatever avatar you're about to fight. You then trade the fork to the crystal and select "Mini-Size Trial by XXX" to enter the battle. At this point you have as much time as you like to buff/rest etc. (except for the 15-minute timer, which shouldn't be an issue) You then run up the L-shaped path and do battle. This is NOT exclusively luck, although it plays a large role. Carbuncle's 2 hrs Can and WILL hit for 1/2 damage (105 instead of 210) I'm not sure why, but I guess it's just like all magic, that has a large range of damage, usually hitting on the bottom or top end. (my blm's thunder does from 55-110, rarely ever 60-100, though). This happened to me twice in one fight with Ramuh, resulting in me being owned after I ran out of MP. Then there's the fact that after hitting the 2hr you must not move much to make Searing Light hit. If they decide to bust out level 2 nukes at this point you're in bad shape and better have a hi-potion ready. Also, about 3 minutes through the fight, usually around the second 2 hr, the avatar will bring out their own 2 hr, if you're not clear when they finish charging it's all over (280+ damage). So, luck does play a role, but it is possible to prepare for these situations, take at least one extra of all your items, I also recommend au lait drinks to heal you without using potions, staying close to full has saved my life in these fights, when stone 2 takes me down to 40 hp. Also, I recommend Physical Earrings (25 MP -> HP) wearing two increases your max HP by 50 and your MP will be 0 immediately after the first searing light anyway. Last, and possibly the most important thing, is to relax, if you get too stressed you'll miss thing and make dumb mistakes, got me hit by Titan's 2hr once. Try this: once you get to the protocrystal room, just sit there and talk with your LS for a few minutes before entering, helps you to calm down, and all you have in these fights is your brain and 44 MP :) Good luck to everyone, and give those Primes a 2hr for me!

-edit: Carbuncle's 2hr can also miss, in addition to doing half damage, not sure why. I was fighting Ramuh, and my 3rd 2hr failed to fire completely, Carby charged up... nothing. I thought maybe he was paralyzed, but it never said it in the battle text, and it didn't just deal 0 (under 44 MP it will hit, but for 0) It just never happened. Anyway, the 4 hi-potions I took lasted long enough for me and carby to beat him to death with my Holly Pole.
I highly recommend summoning carby once and let him fight until he dies before using your 2hr, gives you time to relax and get set up, also if you get hit and aren't feeling good about getting aggro while carby charges, you can just hold off one more summon, until it's going the way you want it to.

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RE: hmmm
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If you aren't standing near Carbuncle when he readies Searing Light, he won't fire it;)
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RE: hmmm
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No, the problems with his 2hrs firing come either from either MP below the minimum needed for searing light or by a stun attack, paralyze, or him being killed prior to using it. My biggest issue was having it resisted more than once in a fight, it would usually spell my doom.
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#Ninjitsuflame, Posted: Aug 27 2004 at 12:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) [Blue]anyone on Kujata wanna PL my WHM? for free..
RE: Hmm....
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What the...? It made sense to post this here why?
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Which brings me to my next point: Don't smoke crack.
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City?
# Aug 27 2004 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
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ok, ok,what Nation's Fame is Kazham? (or is it [Black]Tenshodo Game?) [/Navy]

Bastok?
Windurst?
San d'Oria?

Tenshodo?
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Kazham runs off of Windurst fame. You need lvl 3 fame to get this quest (like all the Mini fork battles)
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RE: City?
# Aug 27 2004 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
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ok, ok,what Nation's Fame is Kazham? (or is it Tenshodo Fame?)

lol that was what the first line says
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Am I reading right?
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So first, you hafta have hella fame in ALL 3 CITIES?
Then you go to Kazham, talk to an NPC near the Home Point, and he'll just GIVE you the mini-tuning fork?
Then you trade it to the PRIME AVATAR NPC dude, and he'll warp you to the spot?
Then you trade the the fork to the crystal, and boom, you're in?
It's that easy (apart from the fame and actual battle)?
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RE: Am I reading right?
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umm... yeah. You get the mini tuning fork from the guy, trade it back to the guy and you get warped to the battlefield entrence, then trade the fork to the protocrystal.
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Eh?
# Jul 07 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I hear people saying that you must trade the fork and don't just enter the battlefield without doing so.. But whenever I talk to the crystal without trading the fork, it just says something like "It's a giant crystal", it never asks me to enter the battlefield.
RE: Eh?
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You need to have received the full "Trial by Fire" quest to be able to enter the battlefield that way. That's the 60+ level party battle... 60+ to stand a chance that is. You can enter alone as a 20 Summoner, just be prepared for a quick and painful death.
Ifrit
# Jun 18 2004 at 8:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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I defeated Ifrit yesterday and set the record at 4 minutes and 12 seconds on the Shiva server, which surprisingly was only at 9 minutes and something before. Here's what I did:

I fought him on Lightsday. I was a 20 SMN/10 WHM with a SMN skill of 60. I purchased x2 Hi-Ethers, x1 Hi-Potion, x1 Yagudo Drink, and x1 Apple Pie. Before entering the battle, I used an Apple Pie and casted protect, then rested back up and entered the battle. I then ran up the stairs until I could see Ifrit, used the Yagudo Drink, casted Carbuncle, used Astral Flow, sent Carbuncle to attack, then got close to carbuncle and used Searing Light. I then waited a second to make sure Carbuncle would hit, then ran all the way down the stairs. The Yagudo Drink will keep Carbuncle active even after using Searing Light which bought me some time to get away from Ifrit. By the time I got down the stairs, Carbuncle died. I then used my first Hi-Ether and recasted Carbuncle, waited for Ifrit to get close and used Searling Light again. Once it hit, I ran all the way up the stairs while Carbuncle continued to fight Ifrit with the little MP I had gained from the Yagudo Drink. By the time I got up the stairs, Carbuncle died. Once up the stairs, I used my Hi-Ether, recasted Carbuncle, and waited for Ifrit. I then used Searing Light one last time and deafeated Ifrit. Searing Light did over 200 damage each time.

I used the same stragegy to defeat Ramuh as well. And I never even used the Hi-Potion. I also recommend using macros for everything; potions, ethers, yagudo drink, searing light, astral flow, and carbuncle's basic pet commands. Good luck everyone! Hope this helps.

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Edited, Fri Jun 18 09:41:08 2004
avatars
# Jun 06 2004 at 4:19 AM Rating: Good
you must be able to get a tuning fork whenever, i saw a SMN12 with all the avatars, because he had a level 72RDM, so does this mean you can get the avatar with any job, just as long as you have SMN as your sub. Can you have partys to defeat these?
RE: avatars
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Ummm, these are the mini-avatars that a smn must solo and the level cap is at 20. That rdm fought the real avatars and fighting the real avatars is the only way to get Fenrir, sprobably the best summon in the game so far.
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Here is a detailed strategy i used and won with very little
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Here is a link to my LinkShell forum site - it worked for me - hope it helps you.

Very detailed strategy.

http://vanadielheroes.informationsystems.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197


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Don't under estimate!
# May 11 2004 at 12:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd just like to share my stories.

First I tried it with a few yagudo drinks and like five potions. I go in, he beat me... I used Astral flow and got it off once, got him down to half... (Didn't really know what to expect first battle)

Next time I go in, I have about 10 potions three yagudo drinks I get him down to a sliver and he killed me... I was kind of irked because I've spent like 30k...

Third time I bought 7 high potions, 2 potions 4 yagudo drinks, I got him down to one or two more carby melee attacks before he got me.

What I've gathered from this... from experiance...

Make sure your summoning skill is atleast 55+ (you might get lucky)

Watch out for FireII it does about 230 damage...

Make sure you bring one either! Just in incase astral flow wears off and you can't do searing light anymore.

DO NOT HAVE A MAGE AS SUPPORT JOB! THEY HAVE NO! DEFENCE! (I suggest Ninja, because you can dual wands and it helps a lot if you HAVE to melee...)

And the thing I want to say the most... DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE! THEY ARE A LOT STRONGER THAN YOU THINK!


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RE: Don't under estimate!
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Actully they are easy if you know what your doing. i got garuda on my first try as a lvl 19 summoner!! smn skill was 40!no joke. just use the 3 searing lights strat and fight the battle on either light day or the avatars weak day and know what yuor doing. i suggest going to kargs videos forum and downloading a few videos.
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Actully they are easy if you know what your doing. i got garuda on my first try as a lvl 19 summoner!! smn skill was 40!no joke. just use the 3 searing lights strat and fight the battle on either light day or the avatars weak day and know what yuor doing. i suggest going to kargs videos forum and downloading a few videos.
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Actully they are easy if you know what your doing. i got garuda on my first try as a lvl 19 summoner!! smn skill was 40!no joke. just use the 3 searing lights strat and fight the battle on either light day or the avatars weak day and know what yuor doing. i suggest going to kargs videos forum and downloading a few videos.
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Use your 15 mins
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Unless you are trying to beat the record,i suggest using carbuncle to attack the avatar over and over till the avatars hp is down at least one quarter to one third,THEN use astral flow->searing lights.it will only take 2 of them to finish the avatar.i was using the fast searing light stratagy for the last 2 weeks,i only beat Titan,i was getting beat constantly,the avatars used their 2 hour on me and the chances of Carbuncle missing his 2 hour seemed higher or he didnt hit fo the total 210 damage to the avatar .
Using my stratagy today,i beat Shiva,Ifrit and Ramuh,in a 6 hour period.i cast Carbuncle 4 times before using the 2 hour,he took the avatars HP down enough.
i suggest using a pumpkin pie for extra MP for the Carbuncle fights.remember,you have 15 minutes to complete these solo fights,i suggest you use it.
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RE: Use your 15 mins
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hey tab grats on ur avatars. kewl way to go i might do it that way too. thnx
Best way to Raise Fame?
# May 07 2004 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Any tips on how to raise fame, quickly and cheaply (i might add) would be helpful ^^ I'm a Hume from San d'Oria if that helps. Thx in advance.
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1st off I can say those who had Summons before Mini quest. I understand if they are upset. I have max fame for every town in preperation for those quest. However these fights are tough and with 2 slight mistakes your dead! And they are very Fun!

2nd I'm happy they have released them so I can have my WHM with Auto Regen and level my sub job with fun of being more useful than WHM backup.

Ok I have beat Titan and Ifrit so far. With 6-8 Hi-Potions *Not all used*; 3 Melon Juices; 2 Ethers; and 1 of the HP drinks for regen. Failed Ramuh 2 time due to mistakes but will work on Him. Others I'm not sure of.

Used Juices @ Start and Hi-Potion when HP below 200.

Go in Cast Carb > Attack > 2 Hour> Searing Light>
Either> Recast Carb> MP Drink> Searing Light>
Either> Recast Carb> Searing Light = Victory!

I am thinking about using Fishkabobs they would probably help a lot! Max MP is worthless Searing light drains all MP. Garuda I faught on a normal day and only got HP 1/2 with 3 landing Searing Lights. Ran out of Hi-Potions about the same time.

Time 4:23 and was record on *Bahamut* for Titan.

On their weak day 3rd Searing light will kill them it seems and Hope I'm right on this.

Repeating Data once again fight on these days!
Day > Weakness > Avatar
Fire > Ice > Shiva
Earth > Lightning > Ramuh
Water > Fire > Ifrit
Wind > Earth > Titan
Ice > Wind > Garuda
Light > Carbuncle is strong can fight any with good chance! I beat Ifrit on Lightsday.

Fire > Ice > Air > Earth > Lightning > Water > Fire


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hmm
# May 04 2004 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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erm, Mhuara is Ramuh i think
No Fame
# May 01 2004 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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If there is a Fame requirement for these trial-size battles, it's very low. My fame in Bastok is at the most level 2 (I haven't checked it) and I got the mini-tuning fork of earth as a level 16 SMN.

Edited, Sat May 1 14:11:43 2004
RE: No Fame
# May 03 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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That's not a very well thought out fib considering you can't get any of the mini-tuning forks regardless of fame unless you are a level 20 summoner.
Anyway, Ifrit is strong against light, the element (obviously) of Carbuncle's Searing Light attack. On all other avatars SL did 210 dmg for me, but on Ifrit one of them only did 50 or 60 something. Therefore I strongly recommend fighting him on light day and using dia or light threnody (sub whm/rdm/brd).
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RE: No Fame
# May 04 2004 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Obviously this is something you haven't actually tried personally. You can get the mini tuning fork and try the battle any time after level 15 SMN (you simply don't have much of a chance until level 20). I've gotten massacred by Titan Prime three times now at level 18. (It's a good way to learn the layout of the arena and is a fast way to death warp back to Selbina)
Trade to the Protocrystal!
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Also make sure... you want to TRADE the Mini Tuning Fork of Fire to the protocrystal as well! If you do not and just enter the battlefield, you will enter the regular avatar fight and get a butt-whoopin'!
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RE: Trade to the Protocrystal!
# Jun 12 2004 at 4:39 AM Rating: Good
what happens if you just go into the battlefield?
RE: Trade to the Protocrystal!
# May 02 2004 at 2:05 AM Rating: Default
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LOL my friend did that after i told her to trade the mini fork to it . . i was laughing so hard i was crying
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Avatar Battle - SOLO
# Apr 25 2004 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Hi, Ok here is the deal with these solo quests..

This Is a CAPPED Quest, *(Max Level is 20)*
Your MAIN Job must Be SMN to enter.

-- And NO, you cant win with any level lower than 20.

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Dodmos is the NPC Quest Giver,
He is standing next to "Ronta-Onta" who is also a NPC quest giver.

*** Both Located In Kazham ***
By the Kazham -- Home Point --

Ronta-Onta the taru
= Tuning Fork of Fire (Key Item)
Dodmos
= "Mini" Tuning Fork of Fire (Inventory Item)

The NPC who gives mini-fork is always next to the NPC who gives the standard avatar quest.

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Once you have enough fame (same as standard avatar quest) he will talk and you can accept the quest.

To fight avatar:
1. Trade Mini-Fork with "Lacia the NPC"
2. He will ask you to accept, if YES
3. THEY will -Warp- you to the Procrystal.
4. Cast Buff Spells and get ready
5. Run Up the Stairs
6. Avatar waiting at the Top
RE: Avatar Battle - SOLO
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Quote:
And NO, you cant win with any level lower than 20.


Tell that to all the lvl 18 people that completed this quest.

Its harder when your not 20, AND more expensive...but its hardly impossible.

Would i recommend going in below 20? Hell no. You are gonna end up spending much more, but then again, its a bigger challenge, and i suppose you can walk around Valk unleashing avatars on Pugs before you head to Quif.

Wanna try this trial before 20?
If your answer is: "I like taking gil and using it as toilet paper."....then go right ahead. However, it can and has been done.

Edited, Tue May 11 14:28:00 2004
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this is in Mhuara and not Khazam? that seems wierd
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