Just cleared this first try with my SMN, did exactly what it said in the video and it was perfect, didnt even lose health, once the archers are dead it just becomes, well, like shooting a fish in a barrel, as long as you kite it you cant lose.
Oh and it was Earthsday, did it for the Thunder Pact and it dropped first try! Might do this a few times for some gil as that was far too easy. Also dropped the Mannequin Head.
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Battle NotesTo begin, trade 20 Beastmen Seals to Shami at (H-8) in Port Jeuno in order to obtain the Rare/Ex item Cloudy Orb. Upon receiving the orb, make your way to the Horlais Peak zone located in the Yughott Grotto dungeon. Be advised that only three players can enter the battlefield, that their levels will be capped at level 20, and that there is a 15 minute time limit that starts the moment the orb trader enters the battlefield. Upon entering the battlefield, you will find a large Sniper Pugil flanked on either side by a smaller Archer Pugil. The Archer Pugils have less hp and are generally weaker defensively and offensively than the Sniper Pugil.
In order to spawn the armoury crate, all mobs in the battlefield must be defeated in the allotted time. Battle StrategiesThe most common strategies for winning this BCNM involves one or more Summoners, the Ramuh avatar, and the Astral Flow two-hour ability.
Solo Method The first method involves one summoner soloing the BCNM (Preferably on Lightningday and not on Watersday), and is decidedly more difficult than a two summoner method. Upon entering the BCNM, run up the pathway until you are in visual range of the pugils, while making sure to stay outside of their aggro range. After buffing up, use a Yagudo drink and then summon Ramuh.
After summoning Ramuh, activate Astral Flow and have Ramuh assault the Sniper Pugil. As soon as Ramuh strikes the pugil, have Ramuh use Judgment Bolt and then use an Ether to restore your mp. Then retreat Ramuh and run towards the exit until just prior to the recast time of your Bloodpact Rage resets, in which case have Ramuh re-assault the Sniper Pugil and have him use Judgment Bolt again. If all goes well, the two Archer Pugils will be killed by the second attack and the Sniper Pugil will have very little hp left. At this time, retreat Ramuh again and kite the pugil back up the hill until the recast timer is up, then have Ramuh assault again and use one last Judgment Bolt (or Thunderspark) to finish off the Sniper Pugil. Duo Method #1 This duo method involves two summoners and is noticeably easier than the solo method. Upon entering the BCNM, run up the pathway until you are in visual range of the pugils, while making sure to stay outside of their aggro range. After buffing up and using Yagudo Drinks, both summoners will then summon Ramuh. After summoning Ramuh, both summoners will activate Astral Flow and then have their Ramuhs assault the Sniper Pugil. After they both strike the pugil, have the Ramuhs use their Judgment Bolts, killing off the two Archer Pugils and severely weakening the Sniper Pugil. At this time, pop an Ether and wait till the Bloodpact recast timers reset, then finish off the Sniper Pugil with another Judgment Bolt or a Thunderspark. Duo Method #2 This method is similar to the first, but with notable exceptions. Unlike the first method, only one summoner will use their Astral Flow, while the other just uses Thunderspark. Upon entering the BCNM, run up the pathway until you are in visual range of the pugils, while making sure to stay outside of their aggro range. After buffing up and using Yagudo Drinks, both summoners will then summon Ramuh. After summoning Ramuh, one of the summoners will activate Astral Flow, then both will have their avatars assault the Sniper Pugil. The Astral Flow summoner will have Ramuh use Judgment Bolt while the other summoner will have Ramuh use Thunderspark, leaving all three pugils below 50% HP and paralyzed due to Thunderspark's additional Paralysis effect. The Astral Flow summoner will then pop an Ether and, once the Bloodpact recast timer has reset, will use Judgment Bolt again. At this time, if the Sniper Pugil is still alive, the other summoner can finish it off with a bloodpact or just allow the Ramuhs to melee its last bit of HP. This page last modified 2008-04-03 00:29:29. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Just solo this again today very easy. Just make sure you go in on lightning day and uses Ramuh or else you might lose. Got manequin head but i wanted the body :(
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I used to farm this bcnm with my eyes closed and both hands tied behind my back but since installing WotG the Sniper Pug ain't having it. The Archer Pugs hit for around 1-4 and so will the sniper occasionally but the Sniper usually crits Ramuh for around 34-35 which for all intents and purposes will kill him in 6 hits. IMO this is still very soloable but you have to be johnny on the spot with the Astral Flows due to the fact that after landing the fist two Ramuh is down to less than 25% and will die with one crit from the Sniper.
/em tosses 20 beastmen seals to the fish.
/em tosses 20 beastmen seals to the fish.
Scholar
19 posts
Hey.
I just did the BCNM with all the expansion packs installed and didnt have a problem at all. Infact, Ramuh hardly lost any life. Got some good drops too! I was wearing some +MND gear and subbed BLM.
I just did the BCNM with all the expansion packs installed and didnt have a problem at all. Infact, Ramuh hardly lost any life. Got some good drops too! I was wearing some +MND gear and subbed BLM.
Scholar
19 posts
I have done this BCNM about 30 times, have had the Mannequin Head drop everytime, so id say its a 100% drop rate. Only had Body drop once and have never seen the Warp scroll.
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Did this for the first time about a week ago. They were really easy and I got the Mannequin head and body on my first try! Now I just need to get the other parts. It's great that there's a BCNM that a SMN can solo.
Shmash - Gilgamesh server
Shmash - Gilgamesh server
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Ive done this BCNM 25 times now on my smn and have yet to see a body drop which is what im after ;(
Super easy BCNM solo as SMN. Just did my first attempt at it and won without any problems whatsoever. The method listed below is perfectly accurate; only thing I would add is a macro trick to make this a bit more automated and even easier.
On the Bolt macro I did this:
/pet "Judgment Bolt" <bt>
/wait 3
/pet "Retreat" <me>
Saved myself the extra bit of work (mostly because I'm lazy and don't like to give myself the chance to forget things in the heat of battle). For my first ever run finished with Ramuh at 40% hp left. Got my manny head...just need that body now.
Petite~Remora
On the Bolt macro I did this:
/pet "Judgment Bolt" <bt>
/wait 3
/pet "Retreat" <me>
Saved myself the extra bit of work (mostly because I'm lazy and don't like to give myself the chance to forget things in the heat of battle). For my first ever run finished with Ramuh at 40% hp left. Got my manny head...just need that body now.
Petite~Remora
me and my buddy Voreon LS unknownXsolders did this BCNM
kujata server-LS unknownXsolders
me Cyfix PAL/WAR good gear
Voreon DRK/WAR best lvl 20 gear
we had a good plan to ace this sh*t just 2 ppl . i tank the 2 pugs and he takes out the leader .
this is how it went down.
at the start we were planing to use 2hour but no time every time i try i get blasted 20 yards away and i get 3 sec deley i try to use x-potion . no time !
His HP was droping so fast and every time i try to heal i get bum-rushed by a pugil the leader pugil he went against killed him in less that 30 sec i died 5 sec later when all 3 pugil took me out
it went nothink like i have planed , waist of seals Never again1 will i let this hapen to me!
kujata server-LS unknownXsolders
me Cyfix PAL/WAR good gear
Voreon DRK/WAR best lvl 20 gear
we had a good plan to ace this sh*t just 2 ppl . i tank the 2 pugs and he takes out the leader .
this is how it went down.
at the start we were planing to use 2hour but no time every time i try i get blasted 20 yards away and i get 3 sec deley i try to use x-potion . no time !
His HP was droping so fast and every time i try to heal i get bum-rushed by a pugil the leader pugil he went against killed him in less that 30 sec i died 5 sec later when all 3 pugil took me out
it went nothink like i have planed , waist of seals Never again1 will i let this hapen to me!
and then their was X
Scholar
30 posts
Try using "Retreat" instead of letting him die. I do this consistently naked with one yagudo drink. Smn kite is a beautiful thing.
0/8 on Mannequin Body ><
Anyone actually got a body to drop recently?
0/8 on Mannequin Body ><
Anyone actually got a body to drop recently?
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BLM----->75<-----SMN
BLM----->75<-----SMN
Thought I'd post this since I was not sure this was soloable.
I got excited after reading posts on here and thought I'd give it a shot. Here's how it went and what I used, for my soloed win:
2 hi-pots (My 2nd try I used 4 hi-pots though)
1 Rolenberry Pie (though with this its kinda pointless)
2 Ethers & 1 Hi-Ether
2 Yag Drinks
I went in buffed up with just Protect, Barwatera, and Aqauviel. Used my pie (but like I said its pointless to use these on this bcnm), got my MP back. I ran up to the ramp casted Ramuh popped a Yag Drink, used my Astral Flow then set Ramuh to attack the Pugs. As soon as Ramuh engaged the pugs I hit Judgement Bolt, that took all there HP down to about half right off the bat. I ran down a few steps and popped my first Ether. Then I proceded to run until I couldnt see his lifebar anymore and took a few more steps for insurance, and waited fo him to die. When he died I waited about 5 seconds to resummon for added MP, then I got Ramuh out and as soon as I did the pugs came around the bend. So I set Ramuh on em as soon as they got in range, and hit my 2nd Judgement Bolt (which got me a little hate and I had to pop a Hi-Pot), but with that the 2 weaker pugs were dead and I ran up the ramp popped another ether. At this point Ramuh was meleeing the last pug, and as soon as my MP Regen wore from 2 hour usage I popped my Hi-Ether. But at this point it was kinda useless cuz Ramuh was eating way too much MP. Fortunately he died before he ate all my MP. I stood there for a good 10 secs waiting for more MP and I summoned Ramuh again for my 3rd 2 hour, but as soon as I did and the pug was in range my Astral Flow wore. So I was screwed and had to wait while Ramuh meleed the almost dead pug. And just as my Mp was almost gone (I had 8 MP left), Ramuh dealt the final blow, and I won. ;)
I got the following: 1 Manny Head, 1 Horde Lullaby, 1 Black Rock, 1 Handful of Pugil Scales, 1 Shall Shell, and a Mythril Beastcoin.
All in all its was very fun for my first bcnm victory and it came on my soloed effort. I just wish these items were worth alot more than they were. :(
Also I did this again later with my Whm friend who wanted it badly as well. The 2 pugs didnt die on the second Judgement Bolt and we almost died but in the end we won. And she got all the same items except she got a Platoon Mace instead of a Shall Shell.
Good Luck to all those who try this soloing. Just be sure to bring extra Ethers with you and treat it like the Soloed Avatar fights and you'll be just fine.;)
I got excited after reading posts on here and thought I'd give it a shot. Here's how it went and what I used, for my soloed win:
2 hi-pots (My 2nd try I used 4 hi-pots though)
1 Rolenberry Pie (though with this its kinda pointless)
2 Ethers & 1 Hi-Ether
2 Yag Drinks
I went in buffed up with just Protect, Barwatera, and Aqauviel. Used my pie (but like I said its pointless to use these on this bcnm), got my MP back. I ran up to the ramp casted Ramuh popped a Yag Drink, used my Astral Flow then set Ramuh to attack the Pugs. As soon as Ramuh engaged the pugs I hit Judgement Bolt, that took all there HP down to about half right off the bat. I ran down a few steps and popped my first Ether. Then I proceded to run until I couldnt see his lifebar anymore and took a few more steps for insurance, and waited fo him to die. When he died I waited about 5 seconds to resummon for added MP, then I got Ramuh out and as soon as I did the pugs came around the bend. So I set Ramuh on em as soon as they got in range, and hit my 2nd Judgement Bolt (which got me a little hate and I had to pop a Hi-Pot), but with that the 2 weaker pugs were dead and I ran up the ramp popped another ether. At this point Ramuh was meleeing the last pug, and as soon as my MP Regen wore from 2 hour usage I popped my Hi-Ether. But at this point it was kinda useless cuz Ramuh was eating way too much MP. Fortunately he died before he ate all my MP. I stood there for a good 10 secs waiting for more MP and I summoned Ramuh again for my 3rd 2 hour, but as soon as I did and the pug was in range my Astral Flow wore. So I was screwed and had to wait while Ramuh meleed the almost dead pug. And just as my Mp was almost gone (I had 8 MP left), Ramuh dealt the final blow, and I won. ;)
I got the following: 1 Manny Head, 1 Horde Lullaby, 1 Black Rock, 1 Handful of Pugil Scales, 1 Shall Shell, and a Mythril Beastcoin.
All in all its was very fun for my first bcnm victory and it came on my soloed effort. I just wish these items were worth alot more than they were. :(
Also I did this again later with my Whm friend who wanted it badly as well. The 2 pugs didnt die on the second Judgement Bolt and we almost died but in the end we won. And she got all the same items except she got a Platoon Mace instead of a Shall Shell.
Good Luck to all those who try this soloing. Just be sure to bring extra Ethers with you and treat it like the Soloed Avatar fights and you'll be just fine.;)
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Former Mega Boss of ValiantKnights(VK) of Bismarck. It makes me so proud even to this day, that anyone involved with VK, still calls me Mega Boss. Dirant, Sirbob and Neoyurikraz, I love you guys. It makes a grown man humble, to think that his ideas made you all back him til the end and even til this day. I miss those memories we made, and I truly miss you guys. I hope everyone involved with that shell, is insanely happy in their lives(even those I hate n BL'ed(Ladysorrow).
Former Mega Boss of ValiantKnights(VK) of Bismarck. It makes me so proud even to this day, that anyone involved with VK, still calls me Mega Boss. Dirant, Sirbob and Neoyurikraz, I love you guys. It makes a grown man humble, to think that his ideas made you all back him til the end and even til this day. I miss those memories we made, and I truly miss you guys. I hope everyone involved with that shell, is insanely happy in their lives(even those I hate n BL'ed(Ladysorrow).
I gotta say this BCNM also drops the Black Rock.
Though its not worth much, I got this drop 2 times yesterday.
Thought I'd throw that out there since it wasnt on the list of drops.
Oh, and I got 6 items each time. But the only good one I got both times was the Manny Head each time.
Though its not worth much, I got this drop 2 times yesterday.
Thought I'd throw that out there since it wasnt on the list of drops.
Oh, and I got 6 items each time. But the only good one I got both times was the Manny Head each time.
~I am thee Anti-God~
Former Mega Boss of ValiantKnights(VK) of Bismarck. It makes me so proud even to this day, that anyone involved with VK, still calls me Mega Boss. Dirant, Sirbob and Neoyurikraz, I love you guys. It makes a grown man humble, to think that his ideas made you all back him til the end and even til this day. I miss those memories we made, and I truly miss you guys. I hope everyone involved with that shell, is insanely happy in their lives(even those I hate n BL'ed(Ladysorrow).
Former Mega Boss of ValiantKnights(VK) of Bismarck. It makes me so proud even to this day, that anyone involved with VK, still calls me Mega Boss. Dirant, Sirbob and Neoyurikraz, I love you guys. It makes a grown man humble, to think that his ideas made you all back him til the end and even til this day. I miss those memories we made, and I truly miss you guys. I hope everyone involved with that shell, is insanely happy in their lives(even those I hate n BL'ed(Ladysorrow).
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sup every 1 do any 1 know the drop rate of the items. is it some what high?
As an additional note to any PLDs who think "I'll run in get aggro and tank all 3", think again. Went into this with 2 SMN and myself on PLD. Plan was to have each SMN AF on their run, on my run I'd tank while they judgment bolt. So I buff up and run in, thinking I'll hit my yag drink and pear au lait after i get a swing in. I'm blown against a wall. I head back to the center, get blown against the wall again. Try to get a cure off, interupted by another water blast. Try again. Same result.
With the 3 pugs staggering their blasts I couldn't get JAs, items or magic off.
Ended up doing 2 runs with one AF each. Though I could tank the Sniper Pug just fine by himself with each Ramah picking up the weaker ones. I would think for a non-astral flow set up, you would need a 2nd tank. Maybe PLD-PLD-WHM would work. One PLD solos an Archer while the other PLD holds hate on the other 2 pugs. Or even PLD-PLD-DD. /shrug Just a thought.
With the 3 pugs staggering their blasts I couldn't get JAs, items or magic off.
Ended up doing 2 runs with one AF each. Though I could tank the Sniper Pug just fine by himself with each Ramah picking up the weaker ones. I would think for a non-astral flow set up, you would need a 2nd tank. Maybe PLD-PLD-WHM would work. One PLD solos an Archer while the other PLD holds hate on the other 2 pugs. Or even PLD-PLD-DD. /shrug Just a thought.
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After reading about how to solo "Pulling the Stings" ENM (and beating it) i got very interested in BCNMs,KSNM and/or ENMs that a smn can solo.
I saw a video of a smn soloing this and read the posts and tried it out myself.
Gotta say, it was pretty easy and is its deffinitly worth getting rid of the 300+ Seals i have in storage.
Does anyone know any other BCNM, KSNM or ENM that are soloable for a SMN??
I saw a video of a smn soloing this and read the posts and tried it out myself.
Gotta say, it was pretty easy and is its deffinitly worth getting rid of the 300+ Seals i have in storage.
Does anyone know any other BCNM, KSNM or ENM that are soloable for a SMN??
Scholar
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This is a strategy that seemed very effective when doing this BCNM jobs needed are 1 smn and 1 blm I know you can solo it with only a smn but it is still very difficult to do that and still have a large risk for death(for me at least)
list of things needed
suggest not doing on water or earth day
Jobs: smn X1(Ramuh needed)
blm X1
Yag drink X1
Step 1
Smn runs up and uses 2hour judgement bolt(Note use yag drink before you use it)
Step 2
blm can go all out on the pugils with stonega and just cast it over and over
Possible step 3
Ramuh will tank for at least most of the fight and if hate does get back on the blm it should be about the time you can do judgement bolt again for a kill blow to all the pugils.
Step 3/4
Collect the rewards I know this isnt a strategy that you can do over and over due too the 2-hour but I like mine to be able to win everytime you do it.(no waste of seals)
Note: I did this 2 times and both times won without a sweat so I think it is a good strategy.
list of things needed
suggest not doing on water or earth day
Jobs: smn X1(Ramuh needed)
blm X1
Yag drink X1
Step 1
Smn runs up and uses 2hour judgement bolt(Note use yag drink before you use it)
Step 2
blm can go all out on the pugils with stonega and just cast it over and over
Possible step 3
Ramuh will tank for at least most of the fight and if hate does get back on the blm it should be about the time you can do judgement bolt again for a kill blow to all the pugils.
Step 3/4
Collect the rewards I know this isnt a strategy that you can do over and over due too the 2-hour but I like mine to be able to win everytime you do it.(no waste of seals)
Note: I did this 2 times and both times won without a sweat so I think it is a good strategy.
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Hi, i was just wondering if this is do-able with either Shiva or Garuda as they are the only avatars I have for my SMN at the moment (probably won't be getting any others very soon as I only levels SMN when i was deciding what to try as my main).
Thanks a lot for any responses ^^
Thanks a lot for any responses ^^
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ive done this 3 time if u have done any of the lvl 20 avatar fights its like that....just 100times easier
all you need is one yag. drink, ability to smn ramuh, and 2hr rdy
seems like a good drop rate 2 im 2/3 for bodies 1mil each on bahamut
all you need is one yag. drink, ability to smn ramuh, and 2hr rdy
seems like a good drop rate 2 im 2/3 for bodies 1mil each on bahamut
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DRK73/WAR37/37THF/40SMN
Bahamut
DRK73/WAR37/37THF/40SMN
Bahamut
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19 posts
Prep----
1) Be a smn, only need 1. This is soloable (*'-')b
2) Bring 1 yag, and only 1 yag, ethers are for noobs. That is it
3) Get orb
4) Travel to the BC - Enter
Battle---
1) Run up to them, dont get close enough to agro
2) Summon Ramuh
3) Drink yag
4) Astral Flow - activate the ability, dont use Judgment Bolt off the back
5) Have Ramuh assault the middle pug, let it hit it twice is what I do
6) Judgment Bolt
Now for the fun part
7) Soon as the dmg is done to the pugils from 1st Judgment Bolt - Retreat Ramuh and run back to the starting area at the bottom of the BC, Ramuh should not be getting hit the entire run down as the pugs attacks will push him enough that he will be out of their range eventually
8)By the time you reach the bottom, the next Blood pact timer will be ready.. guess how much mp you will have, yup, 40. I dont see why you people use ethers, yag does the job on its own. You only need 40 mp to be able for the Judgment Bolt to work (as the forumula for Astral Flow is -Your level x2 needed-). When your ready and you have the 40 mp needed to blast off the next Judgment Bolt, do so. This will kill off the 2 lesser pugils and leave the main pugil alive.
9) Now again, Retreat back up to the top where the pugils originally spawned, repeat step #8 as written above at the top. Note, if for whatever reason, a lesser pugil resists one of your 1st 2 Judgment Bolts, do not panic, you'll simply kill it along with the Boss pugil on your 3rd one.
Simple BC. no ethers. Did I mention Ramuh does no die at all? There is NO reason he should. Shouldn't be left to melee the pugils, its pointless, you should be kiting him up and down the BC to keep him alive. Keeping him alive means attention is on him the entire BCNM and you need not worry about pugils hitting you recasting him. Can do this BCNM naked if you wish, doesnt matter in the end. Goodluck, this BCNM has bought me my Noble's Tunic with the ammount of Heads and the occasional bodies that have dropped from it.
-Heretic / Sylph Server
Edited, Aug 20th 2006 at 4:19pm EDT by Heretikerik
1) Be a smn, only need 1. This is soloable (*'-')b
2) Bring 1 yag, and only 1 yag, ethers are for noobs. That is it
3) Get orb
4) Travel to the BC - Enter
Battle---
1) Run up to them, dont get close enough to agro
2) Summon Ramuh
3) Drink yag
4) Astral Flow - activate the ability, dont use Judgment Bolt off the back
5) Have Ramuh assault the middle pug, let it hit it twice is what I do
6) Judgment Bolt
Now for the fun part
7) Soon as the dmg is done to the pugils from 1st Judgment Bolt - Retreat Ramuh and run back to the starting area at the bottom of the BC, Ramuh should not be getting hit the entire run down as the pugs attacks will push him enough that he will be out of their range eventually
8)By the time you reach the bottom, the next Blood pact timer will be ready.. guess how much mp you will have, yup, 40. I dont see why you people use ethers, yag does the job on its own. You only need 40 mp to be able for the Judgment Bolt to work (as the forumula for Astral Flow is -Your level x2 needed-). When your ready and you have the 40 mp needed to blast off the next Judgment Bolt, do so. This will kill off the 2 lesser pugils and leave the main pugil alive.
9) Now again, Retreat back up to the top where the pugils originally spawned, repeat step #8 as written above at the top. Note, if for whatever reason, a lesser pugil resists one of your 1st 2 Judgment Bolts, do not panic, you'll simply kill it along with the Boss pugil on your 3rd one.
Simple BC. no ethers. Did I mention Ramuh does no die at all? There is NO reason he should. Shouldn't be left to melee the pugils, its pointless, you should be kiting him up and down the BC to keep him alive. Keeping him alive means attention is on him the entire BCNM and you need not worry about pugils hitting you recasting him. Can do this BCNM naked if you wish, doesnt matter in the end. Goodluck, this BCNM has bought me my Noble's Tunic with the ammount of Heads and the occasional bodies that have dropped from it.
-Heretic / Sylph Server
Edited, Aug 20th 2006 at 4:19pm EDT by Heretikerik
Thank you so much for the matter-of-fact step by step here Heretic. The original guide said to pop an ehther after JB and, since it worked the first time I did it I continued to use this strat. Also the casting of AF before and letting the Avatar get in a few hits was a good idea. I haven't played my smn for a long time and was confused about hate management for calling the Avatars, BPing, and Assaulting.
This helps me with another bcnm i wanna AF burn. I would rate you up but i guess that's only for premium members. ><
This helps me with another bcnm i wanna AF burn. I would rate you up but i guess that's only for premium members. ><
Gushazan
Kujata server
BLM 75/WHM 75/SMN 39/ COR 75 /RNG 37 /NIN 18 SCH 75
Kujata server
BLM 75/WHM 75/SMN 39/ COR 75 /RNG 37 /NIN 18 SCH 75
My original strategy involved running down the ramp and recasting Ramuh, I think this is where the need for ethers came in. I'm about to go try again but use the retreat strategy this time, thanks for the tips.
Wow, you are my hero.
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Goodluck, this BCNM has bought me my Noble's Tunic with the ammount of Heads and the occasional bodies that have dropped from it.
Wow, you are my hero.
^^
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I'm 12/12 on soloing this, and no mannequin body 0/12 on that, but the one time I duo'd it for a mannequin body we got it and I had to give it away.
Main Job : 56 SMN/WHM
Rank : 5
All Avatars
Carbuncle Mitts : O
Rank : 5
All Avatars
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Me (BLU/WHM) and my friend (BLU/WAR) are going to try to solo this one...it sure seems possible, but we'll see, I'll let you all know how it goes.
OK so I started doing this sometime last year and have had mixed results. I solo this as summoner. I found out about this quest and technique through a smn guide. I like it because it's fun and an easy way to make gil. The only thing I don't like is that it is a margin of chance involved. Everything has to be properly timed and if it's not BAM! you're dead. This was frustrating because who wants to waste BCs? I've had times where Ramuh is too far from mob during his 2 hour, and I've had the pugs hamering him to death before I could kill them off completely, etc. Needless to say, I started working with different ways to get the job done.
I started using Hermes Quencher (Flee) so that I could let Ramuh die a hero's death (in battle) and then safely recast, much like soloing bombs or gobs. So the first time I tried it yag drink wears and I completely forget to drink another one so I run out of mp. Second time I wait halfway between Mobs and "Run Away" like an idiot instead of running away as far as possible from the pugs. Ramuh dies. I recast. I get interrupted. The pugs are there in the middle of me recasting. I die.
So after all the death, I think I have an easy safe way for a smn to do this.
1. Trade orb to seal
2. Buff...whatever you think is necessary
3. Yag drink
4. Call Ramuh
5. Assault
6. Astral Flow
7. Judgement Bolt
8. Hermes Quencher
9. Run to "Run Away"
10. Ether
11. Yag drink
12. Call Ramuh
13. Assault
14. Judgement Bolt
15. Attack with Ramuh to finish off last pug if one is still alive, which it usually is.
Hope this helps.
I started using Hermes Quencher (Flee) so that I could let Ramuh die a hero's death (in battle) and then safely recast, much like soloing bombs or gobs. So the first time I tried it yag drink wears and I completely forget to drink another one so I run out of mp. Second time I wait halfway between Mobs and "Run Away" like an idiot instead of running away as far as possible from the pugs. Ramuh dies. I recast. I get interrupted. The pugs are there in the middle of me recasting. I die.
So after all the death, I think I have an easy safe way for a smn to do this.
1. Trade orb to seal
2. Buff...whatever you think is necessary
3. Yag drink
4. Call Ramuh
5. Assault
6. Astral Flow
7. Judgement Bolt
8. Hermes Quencher
9. Run to "Run Away"
10. Ether
11. Yag drink
12. Call Ramuh
13. Assault
14. Judgement Bolt
15. Attack with Ramuh to finish off last pug if one is still alive, which it usually is.
Hope this helps.
Gushazan
Kujata server
BLM 75/WHM 75/SMN 39/ COR 75 /RNG 37 /NIN 18 SCH 75
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Me and another Summoner duoed this, Judgement boltx2 and all 3 were almost dead, about 1min 45 seconds. Got thunder pact and Mann. body, the rest was crap. The hardest part was getting to the top without invisible, he was 23 i think.
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I decided to try this the other day, just looking to have some fun on my own with the possibility of making some quick cash. I entered the arena without any armor, a couple ethers and a couple Hi Potions.. didn't even bother to cast buffs. Getting to the top of the path, I stayed out of agro range of the pugils, summoned Ramuh, then poped a yag and ordered him to assault just before I two houred. At first I paniced a bit when I watched as all three pugs proceeded to knock Ramuh around like a rag doll with their little water ball attack. I then managed to get the first Judgement Bolt off, bringing the pugs down to about half of their life.. and started running like mad back down the hill while ordering Ramuh to retreat. When I got to the bottom, it took a few moments for the pugils to catch up... taking the opertunity to pop an ether (even though by the time they had gotten to me I would have had enough mp back to get off a second JB) and ordered Ramuh to assult the Sniper pugil as soon as I saw them come around the corner. I then proceeded to use Judgement Bolt again, killing off the two smaller pugs and bringing the Sniper down to about 3% health. Figuring Ramuh would die before the pug did, I started running back up the hill.. however after a few moments of seeing Ramuhs life bar still in tact I began to run back to the brawl and ordered Ramuh to use Judgement Bolt one last time.. even though it only had 1% life left. I love over-kill ^^ Anyway.. I walked away with a few nice items and had only used one ether and one Hi potion.. though I don't think the Hi-potion was even necessary. Compared to the lvl 20 solo fights this was a walk in the park XD
In response to an earlier post, releasing a pet doesn't show in your logs.. so it's still entirely possible that you accidently de-summoned him :(
In response to an earlier post, releasing a pet doesn't show in your logs.. so it's still entirely possible that you accidently de-summoned him :(
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Maybe a dumb question, maybe not.
Anyone know if this is soloable for bst the same way BCNM 20 "Wings of Furry" (Ghelbesha Outpost) is? In otherwords are the 2 Archer Pugils charmable?
Anyone know if this is soloable for bst the same way BCNM 20 "Wings of Furry" (Ghelbesha Outpost) is? In otherwords are the 2 Archer Pugils charmable?
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i did this with a drg/war(me) pld/war and nin/war
we all had about 20 hi/pots and food that'll be very helpful(srry don't remember) the nin was tanking and i was dealing damage with dragon. and pld was doing good by himself then we killed them and got warp,thunder pack,body,head,and plantoon disc. becuase this was my orb i got all this stuff. can wait to use disc with nin.
i thought this quest went by pretty easy
character: Deathman
Edited, Thu Mar 30 07:18:42 2006
we all had about 20 hi/pots and food that'll be very helpful(srry don't remember) the nin was tanking and i was dealing damage with dragon. and pld was doing good by himself then we killed them and got warp,thunder pack,body,head,and plantoon disc. becuase this was my orb i got all this stuff. can wait to use disc with nin.
i thought this quest went by pretty easy
character: Deathman
Edited, Thu Mar 30 07:18:42 2006
death can come swiftly and in man ways so watch you're back it might sneak up and kill u... always have a freind to watch youre back for u so u dont have too.
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Ok, all I've seen here is how this BCNM is done with SMNs on your pty, so I decided to share the strategy I used w/o using SMNs on the party.
Went in with RNG/WAR(me), PLD/WAR, WHM/BLM.
After buffing up at the entrance went in and PLD took all hate from 3 of them, chose 1 before hand and started tring to melee it, I stayed against the wall shooting arrows to the same one that PLD was hitting (he was having a lot of trouble hitting it bacause each shoot of the pugils sends u flying away, but it's possible, he even managed to hit one with Fast Blade), ok our WHM did a stupid thing as diaing one of the fishes at the start of the fight and got killed in an instant, but we still managed to win.
With the pld trying to keep alive with cures and hi/pots since whm died, i was just shooting all i had, i got hate too so be sure to take pots as well. When we had just 1 more to kill PLD died, i got EES out and won.
Didnt get too many got drops, just the mannequin part, but it was very fun fight, used about 10 pots me and pld and regen juices, guess it could have been less if our WHM wasnt noob and got killed first second of the fight.
Went in with RNG/WAR(me), PLD/WAR, WHM/BLM.
After buffing up at the entrance went in and PLD took all hate from 3 of them, chose 1 before hand and started tring to melee it, I stayed against the wall shooting arrows to the same one that PLD was hitting (he was having a lot of trouble hitting it bacause each shoot of the pugils sends u flying away, but it's possible, he even managed to hit one with Fast Blade), ok our WHM did a stupid thing as diaing one of the fishes at the start of the fight and got killed in an instant, but we still managed to win.
With the pld trying to keep alive with cures and hi/pots since whm died, i was just shooting all i had, i got hate too so be sure to take pots as well. When we had just 1 more to kill PLD died, i got EES out and won.
Didnt get too many got drops, just the mannequin part, but it was very fun fight, used about 10 pots me and pld and regen juices, guess it could have been less if our WHM wasnt noob and got killed first second of the fight.
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I tried solo'n this and started off the usual way. run up right before aggro area and summon, use Yag drink, 2hr and send in Ramuh got off first Judgement Bolt and used ether. NOw this is where it confused me before I could turn to run back, Ramuh dissappears, pugils aggro me and I die. I hp back to Jeuno and check log. Ramuh was hit for a total of 16hp's that's all and I thought that maybe I sent him away by hitting wrong macro. but that wasn't the case, no where in log that shows I sent him away. WHAT THE ???? HAPPENED TO RAMUH? Can someone explain.
You didn't take the yag soon enough is what happened. It's happened to me before too. You gotta take it before you 2 hour.
Gushazan
Kujata server
BLM 75/WHM 75/SMN 39/ COR 75 /RNG 37 /NIN 18 SCH 75
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I think that if Ramuah de-poped from zero mp, it must have been a fluke. using yag drink means u ALWAYS have mp so unless its a rare flaw the only reason i can see is if, a) u didnt actually use yag drink, b) u managed to click off the refresh, or c) SE was showing its hate for all mages and was just a random act of unfairness. IMO
btw 17 petras in bllisata with 10 mp lvl 30 blm, 10 petras in a row, SE hates my BLM >.<
btw 17 petras in bllisata with 10 mp lvl 30 blm, 10 petras in a row, SE hates my BLM >.<
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hmm.... i'll start off by saying my SMN is only lvl 10 so i might not have this fully correct. But if you pull Ramuh out and then use your 2 hr is it possible that you completely ran out of MP before you were able to use the ether? thus causing Ramuh to go away without any sort of message or being killed
This is exactly what happened. When Astral Flow is active, avatar perpetuation cost is reduced to zero. However, if you have zero MP when the perpetuation tick comes up, your avatar will still disappear. When SMN gets auto-refresh at 25, this isn't a problem anymore since you always have that 1mp/tick. Since this fight is capped at level 20 before you get auto-refresh, you have to use some kind of juice to give yourself a refresh effect to prevent your avatar from vanishing.
If you don't bother reading the whole thread, don't bother posting in it.
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He said he used a yag drink, so he still should have had the 1 MP tick after he used Astral Flow.
I'm inclined to agree with Stranderer.
I'm inclined to agree with Stranderer.
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He may have used a yag drink but what could of happened is that the yag drink wore off, so what I think he should of done is use the yag drink a second before he used astral flow
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I have done this bcnm naked and still come out victorious. 2 ethers and 2 yag drinks just to be safe and 2 hour helps to go on lightningsday, too.
Go in close to mob barwatera, summon, yag drink, astral flow engage sniper pugil with ramuh, spam judgement bolt quickly and procede to run back past bridge and down hill. pop ur first ether and wait for ramuh to die, and resummon while waiting for pugs to come for u.
Here is tricky part as soon as ramuh engages sniper run and spam judgement bolt if u dont do this right aoe will not kill archers, and thus lead to quick death due to ranged attack.
Goodluck
I have done this bcnm naked and still come out victorious. 2 ethers and 2 yag drinks just to be safe and 2 hour helps to go on lightningsday, too.
Go in close to mob barwatera, summon, yag drink, astral flow engage sniper pugil with ramuh, spam judgement bolt quickly and procede to run back past bridge and down hill. pop ur first ether and wait for ramuh to die, and resummon while waiting for pugs to come for u.
Here is tricky part as soon as ramuh engages sniper run and spam judgement bolt if u dont do this right aoe will not kill archers, and thus lead to quick death due to ranged attack.
Goodluck
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I attempted to solo this for fun. Went on Darksday (didn't wanna wait for lightning). I had decent gear (baron stuff). I took a yag drink and 2x ether. Walked up to the mobs just outside aggro range, summoned Ramuh, used Astral Flow, popped yag drink, and Assaulted the main fish. The other 2 linked and I fired off my first Judgement Bolt. All 3 mobs took about 320 damage. I was under the impression the first JB was supposed to kill the lesser mobs ><. Barely brought them under 1/2 HP. I ran back down, waited for Ramuh to die, which he did quickly ><. I popped an ether hurriedly and resummoned him. However, instead of him having hate, I did.. all the mobs used their ranged waterball attack on me, 3x 70 damage. Very short and unsuccessful BCNM. Aside from not going on Lightningday, what went wrong? Also, don't wear astral rings for this fight >< Pretty sure I would have lived at least another 15 secs with that extra 25 HP. I still don't get why I had hate, I had Ramuh out by the time the mobs got to me. Weird.
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You waited for ramuh to die before using the Ether, that gives you hate, that's why you died.
You need to pop ether right after 2hr, so that the avatar still has hate
Also, try to run far enough so that you can't see your avatar's HP, when you're that far, whatever you do will be hateless. (You wont lose aggro though, they'll still come after you, but what you do wont add hate)
You need to pop ether right after 2hr, so that the avatar still has hate
Also, try to run far enough so that you can't see your avatar's HP, when you're that far, whatever you do will be hateless. (You wont lose aggro though, they'll still come after you, but what you do wont add hate)
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Hate range differs per mob per level, but what i learned from being a bst and casting or healing near aggro mobs is that when the red dots that represent the mobs are outside of the main circle of ur radar u are safe from hate gain. Same goes for pet/avatar commands that generate hate.
That is well within the range for u to still see ur Avatar's health bar.
By this i dont mean sound based creatures aggro always when they are inside the circle. That is something else and for u to learn and experiment with.
That is well within the range for u to still see ur Avatar's health bar.
By this i dont mean sound based creatures aggro always when they are inside the circle. That is something else and for u to learn and experiment with.
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I'm 6/9 on this BCMN, and have received the following:
- 6 mannequin heads
- 2 scrolls of thunder pacts
- 1 scroll of blaze spikes
- 1 scroll of warp
- various plantoon weapons
- various colored rocks
- 1500 gil each time
I'm still waiting for a body to drop. :(
- 6 mannequin heads
- 2 scrolls of thunder pacts
- 1 scroll of blaze spikes
- 1 scroll of warp
- various plantoon weapons
- various colored rocks
- 1500 gil each time
I'm still waiting for a body to drop. :(
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So you can't do this BCNM without a Summoner?
What if you want to try without a summoner, is there a strat that doesn't use a summoner or hasn't anyone tried?
What if you want to try without a summoner, is there a strat that doesn't use a summoner or hasn't anyone tried?
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ok
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Edited, Mon Dec 12 07:15:25 2005
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Ok, the hardes part for me was getting there lol. I highly recomend you get Sneak Oils and Prism Powders for the journey there! I ended up being helped by a Japanese 63 BRD who didn't even know how to use the Auto-Translate fucntion (the word 'Character Buyer' comes to mind, hm..?) and she got me killed twice via MPK >.<
Anyways, i nearly killed this thing, but i made a fatal mistake... I forgot to {Run Away!} after first Astral Flow... >.<
Next time il do it! :D
Anyways, i nearly killed this thing, but i made a fatal mistake... I forgot to {Run Away!} after first Astral Flow... >.<
Next time il do it! :D
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In the description it says that min and max level for this is 20, does that mean noone above or below 20 can do it or that the BCNM automaitcally caps your level as does Garrison?
You can go in under 20, but you wouldn't want to. LoL. It does cap you at 20 though if you are over 20 so make sure you have the right gear with you. :-b
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for those who solo this fight, what is your fastest clear time? My fastest so far is 4min 44sec. Phoenix record is 2ppl at 2min 55sec.
Finally decided to try the time-attack mode again. Additionally, I now have the best possible INT-boosting gear for level 20 at my disposal, thanks to me waiting to level my red mage until after I'd aquired decent gil from other jobs. With the same old macro set I'd used to get 2:15 and the ability to now kill all 3 pugs with the 2nd astral flow, I was able to shave my solo time to 2:13. Even at 2:13, I made a few mistakes that could definitely be avoided to save yet more time. I'm thinking that 2:10 is maybe possible if everything goes perfectly.
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ok i guess lightnings day is a bad day to solo these guys. i was beyond successful on earthsday and watersday, however, i got my summoning butt completely slaughtered 2x on lightningsday. Ramuh died very quickly. i did almost 400dmg to the archers but only like 150 to the sniper and one time he even evaded my JB. so that being said i strongly urge you not to solo this on lightningsday.
Edited, Thu Sep 22 23:50:57 2005
Edited, Thu Sep 22 23:50:57 2005
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I never do this bcnm any other time BUT lightningsday. I've only lost once, and that was a freak accident....issue with the wrong macro palette being selected. I'm so far 29/30 on this BCNM. SO easy. I don't even bother with ethers anymore. just run in naked with a yag drink and go to town.
If you're having trouble with this BCNM, maybe you're standing too close when you summon, or you don't run back far enough. There's got to be a flaw in your strat, cause it sure as hell isn't the day. Also, I dunno bout you, but I find it's easier to retreat ramuh, rather than resummoning him later. He tanks well enough, I've never had to resummon him due to death (once I started retreating him, that is).
Anyway, keep trying!
If you're having trouble with this BCNM, maybe you're standing too close when you summon, or you don't run back far enough. There's got to be a flaw in your strat, cause it sure as hell isn't the day. Also, I dunno bout you, but I find it's easier to retreat ramuh, rather than resummoning him later. He tanks well enough, I've never had to resummon him due to death (once I started retreating him, that is).
Anyway, keep trying!
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Hey I just did this today. It was Lightsday Waning Cresent (not sure if that matters). We went in with 2 SMN (Juliaa, and Pyta), and me a BLM. It was so easy we actually broke the record on the Seraph sever. Took us 3 minutes and 19 seconds. Woot! Anyway the drops were... 500 gil, a Mannequin Body, a Mythril Beastcoin, a Platoon Gun, a Shall Shell, a Scroll of Warp, and a Mannequin Head! Just felt like sharing that with you.. Good luck to everyone on this BCNM20.
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Hey, yours was the record i beat monday (3:17, which was promptly beaten by the next lighteningsday) :D
Wish i had your luck with the Manny body drop though >.<
Edited, Tue Sep 6 23:56:39 2005
Wish i had your luck with the Manny body drop though >.<
Edited, Tue Sep 6 23:56:39 2005
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I leveled my SMN to 20 just for this BCNM. Getting to the BCNM is not a easy task at 20. I'm listed the levels you need to get there w/o agro.
If you want to reach Yughott Grotto w/o agro you need lvl 26 because the tier 2 orcs & Stealth bats are 17 to 18 in Ghelsba Outpost. Getting to 26 will save you the Prizm Powder to Yughott Grotto, but you will need 29 to save on Silent Oil from Stealth Bats in Yughott Grotto. If you want to reach the BCNM completely w/o agro you must be lvl 30 because tier 3 orcs are lvl 22-23. However this will only save 1 Prizm Powder.
Of course you can solo your way there to but that may take awhile.
Edited, Fri Apr 7 04:05:09 2006
If you want to reach Yughott Grotto w/o agro you need lvl 26 because the tier 2 orcs & Stealth bats are 17 to 18 in Ghelsba Outpost. Getting to 26 will save you the Prizm Powder to Yughott Grotto, but you will need 29 to save on Silent Oil from Stealth Bats in Yughott Grotto. If you want to reach the BCNM completely w/o agro you must be lvl 30 because tier 3 orcs are lvl 22-23. However this will only save 1 Prizm Powder.
Of course you can solo your way there to but that may take awhile.
Edited, Fri Apr 7 04:05:09 2006
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Well i tried this on earthday and decided that since the next day was waterday i would try to use shiva because ramuh < earthday. Well they managed to kill shiva in about oh... 2 seconds?
I summoned, astral flowed, used a yag drink (yes im sure of this) and assaulted. Used diamond dust just as shiva hit the middle pug and then she died. No, she didnt get unsummoned because i had 0 MP, she died. Somehow the magic damage done by the pugs must be resisted by ramuh but not shiva so if you are thinking about using her dont >.>
I summoned, astral flowed, used a yag drink (yes im sure of this) and assaulted. Used diamond dust just as shiva hit the middle pug and then she died. No, she didnt get unsummoned because i had 0 MP, she died. Somehow the magic damage done by the pugs must be resisted by ramuh but not shiva so if you are thinking about using her dont >.>
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nope... infact, I thought: "Now that I have a mannequin head, and it will drop me a mannequin piece, it should drop me a body."
Sadly, no... I didn't even get any mannequin pieces. If you are in a solo party, and have the rare item that would normally drop, it will just not be dropped. If you're in a PT that is full of all individuals that have said rare item, then the item will go into the pool before it's removed for not meeting requirements on everyone.
Sadly, no... I didn't even get any mannequin pieces. If you are in a solo party, and have the rare item that would normally drop, it will just not be dropped. If you're in a PT that is full of all individuals that have said rare item, then the item will go into the pool before it's removed for not meeting requirements on everyone.
From what I've noticed this isn't true. When you are in the dunes solo'ing you can still get the subjob quest items to drop if you are holding them.
Same applies for any key, orcish axe, mandragora bud etc...
It will still drop but it will give you the "You do not meet the requirements..." message and will automatically toss it from your treasure pool. There is 1 exception to this, if you keep a full inventory the item will stay in your treasure pool for the time period that SE produced (somewhere around 5 minutes). In that time you can get someone to join your party and lot on the drop so its not wasted.
Just things I've noticed ^^ GL with this BCNM I'm 1/1 following the instructions posted here ^^ thx alot :)
well, kinda...
if you're solo and the mob would have dropped a rare/ex piece that you already have in inventory somewhere... it wouldn't drop it at all and you'd be none the wiser. However! If you're in a party, or solo but still designated as party leader... then a party pool exists and said rare/ex items will still be dropped, inserted into the pool, then distributed to you... upon which time you'd see the message about being unable to obtain the item. You could be in a full 6 person PT, all 6 people have the rare/ex item already... but the item will drop because the game does not restrict item drops based on players inventory when a party treasure pool is available.
I do remember before that you could get the item to drop even if solo and you had one already... but I'm sure they changed it to the system I just mentioned in a patch early on in 2005.
if you're solo and the mob would have dropped a rare/ex piece that you already have in inventory somewhere... it wouldn't drop it at all and you'd be none the wiser. However! If you're in a party, or solo but still designated as party leader... then a party pool exists and said rare/ex items will still be dropped, inserted into the pool, then distributed to you... upon which time you'd see the message about being unable to obtain the item. You could be in a full 6 person PT, all 6 people have the rare/ex item already... but the item will drop because the game does not restrict item drops based on players inventory when a party treasure pool is available.
I do remember before that you could get the item to drop even if solo and you had one already... but I'm sure they changed it to the system I just mentioned in a patch early on in 2005.
Okay, here's what not to do. Keep in mind that this wasn't my orb, so I was willing to deviate from the normal strategy.
Setup: SMN/WHM x2, WHM/BLM
Strategy: Both SMNs summon Ramuh at the edge of the spiked area and send him after the main pugil. Use Thunderspark on the pugils and just ride it out while the WHM makes sure you don't die.
Why this doesn't work: First and foremost, Thunderspark will not hit all 3 pugils unless you somehow get them to move closer together. Second, Ramuh will die, and when he does, his summoner will not have enough time to get back mp without medicinal assistance before the second Ramuh dies.
Conclusion: Just do it solo using Astral Flow like so many others have posted.
Setup: SMN/WHM x2, WHM/BLM
Strategy: Both SMNs summon Ramuh at the edge of the spiked area and send him after the main pugil. Use Thunderspark on the pugils and just ride it out while the WHM makes sure you don't die.
Why this doesn't work: First and foremost, Thunderspark will not hit all 3 pugils unless you somehow get them to move closer together. Second, Ramuh will die, and when he does, his summoner will not have enough time to get back mp without medicinal assistance before the second Ramuh dies.
Conclusion: Just do it solo using Astral Flow like so many others have posted.
Leethas
Seraph Server
Seraph Server
24 posts
now i just dont get this for solo some ppl tell me after JB wait with ramuh and hit JB again when its rdy but wouldnt he die by then? then some ppl tell me run down and resummon ramuh then right when he hit pug use JB ive tried that 4 times now they spam their water attack and i get blown back out of range and killed very quick, im doing something stupid what is it?
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Well what you need to do is run down an summon him just so were you can see Ramuhs HP but if you go down more your cant. After he is dead resummon him and yes you will get but make sure that you drink hi-ether before resummoning. Then your 2 hour should be ready to go and just blast the last two suckers and the other one should be about dead and ramuh can kill him off. Look on my post it tells how to beat it and Gl ^^.
The best strategy is to use 2 hour and immediately use an ether. Then retreat ramuh right away and run all the way back to the entrance. Ramuh won't take a hit the whole time you're running and your 2 hour will be ready again. Since it's the same ramuh you started with he'll have all the hate still and you won't take a single hit.
I'm 2/2 using this strategy
Edited, Wed Sep 7 22:09:21 2005
I'm 2/2 using this strategy
Edited, Wed Sep 7 22:09:21 2005
Name: Zinnuri
Server: Lakshmi
Jobs: 75 PLD, 75 BRD, 39 WHM, 40 BST
LS: Slaughterhouse, Ancientsawakened, ToTheEnd
Spirit Taker aquired on: 10/8/05
Smithing: lvl 66, Smithy's Mitts aquired: 3/27/06
Level 75 Paladin aquired on 7/22/06, 10:04 P.M
Level 75 Bard aquired on 3/31/08 10:54 P.M
Server: Lakshmi
Jobs: 75 PLD, 75 BRD, 39 WHM, 40 BST
LS: Slaughterhouse, Ancientsawakened, ToTheEnd
Spirit Taker aquired on: 10/8/05
Smithing: lvl 66, Smithy's Mitts aquired: 3/27/06
Level 75 Paladin aquired on 7/22/06, 10:04 P.M
Level 75 Bard aquired on 3/31/08 10:54 P.M
Check the following:
Warp scroll
Cloudy Orb
2 hi-ethers
yag drink
boiled crab (optional)
Marcos
Marcos
I have My Marcos set as the following:
Hi-Ether:
/item “Hi-Ether” <me>
Astral Flow
/ja “Astral Flow” <me>
Judgement Bolt
/pet “Judgment Bolt” <t>
Ramuh:
/ma “Ramuh” <me>
Assault
/pet “Assault” <t>
Those are the only ones I use but you can also use ones for other purposes.
The Fight
In the BCNM head all the way up to the stairs to the spiked circle area. Cast aquaveil, barwater, and protect. Drink a yag drink. Summon Ramuh run into range assault 2 hour then Judgement Bolt right off DO NOT WAIT!!! Then head back some and retreat Ramuh then run. Keep running till your bloodpact is ready and you have enough mp for it (40 mp). Then assult the Sniper Pugil and Judgement Bolt all 3 again. That one should kill the two Archer Pugils. Run away from Ramuh and resummon him when he dies. Just watch Ramuh take the last few swings on the Sniper Pugil and it is over.
Alternate Fight
In the BCNM head all the way up to the stairs to the spiked circle area. Cast aquaveil, barwater, and protect. Drink a yag drink. Summon Ramuh run into range assault 2 hour then Judgement Bolt right off DO NOT WAIT!!! Run back until you can see Ramuh health but if you go down more it disappears. Drink a Hi-Ether. Ok this part is important when Ramuh dies resummon him, then he will automatically go and attack the Sniper Pugil or which ever one you targeted for assult., then mash your Judgement Bolt and it should go off. If you do not do it when they come down the Archer Pugils will start shooting at you. After the 2 hour the Archer Pugils will die. Then run down again until you can see his health and resummon him and do not assault or you will get hate. After that Ramuh should be able to solo the Pugil and if you do use a blood pact to finish the Pugil off.
Exceptions!!!
There might be a time where Ramuh does not die. Don’t worry its ok but you must NOT release him just let him die or releasing him might cause some extra hate. Just do it like normal without the resummoning the first time.
Although I have never seen it there might be a time when the Archer Pugils don’t die. You do it like normal and that’s what the extra Hi-Ether is for just wait till he dies and make sure you are out of range resummon him and finish the fight like normal.
That’s all I can think about the BCNM and it is all from experience on what I believe I sometimes did wrong and what had worked for me. I’ll also try to get a video up as soon as I can get enough seals to do it again. Any corrections you see please post and GL with the BCNM!
Fixed marco typo sorry **always try to use auto-translate**
Edited, Mon Aug 22 08:31:02 2005
Edited, Aug 23rd 2006 at 5:47pm EDT by Shadowspell
Warp scroll
Cloudy Orb
2 hi-ethers
yag drink
boiled crab (optional)
Marcos
Marcos
I have My Marcos set as the following:
Hi-Ether:
/item “Hi-Ether” <me>
Astral Flow
/ja “Astral Flow” <me>
Judgement Bolt
/pet “Judgment Bolt” <t>
Ramuh:
/ma “Ramuh” <me>
Assault
/pet “Assault” <t>
Those are the only ones I use but you can also use ones for other purposes.
The Fight
In the BCNM head all the way up to the stairs to the spiked circle area. Cast aquaveil, barwater, and protect. Drink a yag drink. Summon Ramuh run into range assault 2 hour then Judgement Bolt right off DO NOT WAIT!!! Then head back some and retreat Ramuh then run. Keep running till your bloodpact is ready and you have enough mp for it (40 mp). Then assult the Sniper Pugil and Judgement Bolt all 3 again. That one should kill the two Archer Pugils. Run away from Ramuh and resummon him when he dies. Just watch Ramuh take the last few swings on the Sniper Pugil and it is over.
Alternate Fight
In the BCNM head all the way up to the stairs to the spiked circle area. Cast aquaveil, barwater, and protect. Drink a yag drink. Summon Ramuh run into range assault 2 hour then Judgement Bolt right off DO NOT WAIT!!! Run back until you can see Ramuh health but if you go down more it disappears. Drink a Hi-Ether. Ok this part is important when Ramuh dies resummon him, then he will automatically go and attack the Sniper Pugil or which ever one you targeted for assult., then mash your Judgement Bolt and it should go off. If you do not do it when they come down the Archer Pugils will start shooting at you. After the 2 hour the Archer Pugils will die. Then run down again until you can see his health and resummon him and do not assault or you will get hate. After that Ramuh should be able to solo the Pugil and if you do use a blood pact to finish the Pugil off.
Exceptions!!!
There might be a time where Ramuh does not die. Don’t worry its ok but you must NOT release him just let him die or releasing him might cause some extra hate. Just do it like normal without the resummoning the first time.
Although I have never seen it there might be a time when the Archer Pugils don’t die. You do it like normal and that’s what the extra Hi-Ether is for just wait till he dies and make sure you are out of range resummon him and finish the fight like normal.
That’s all I can think about the BCNM and it is all from experience on what I believe I sometimes did wrong and what had worked for me. I’ll also try to get a video up as soon as I can get enough seals to do it again. Any corrections you see please post and GL with the BCNM!
Fixed marco typo sorry **always try to use auto-translate**
Edited, Mon Aug 22 08:31:02 2005
Edited, Aug 23rd 2006 at 5:47pm EDT by Shadowspell
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Judgement Bolt
/pet “Judgement Bolt” <t>
/pet “Judgement Bolt” <t>
Its /pet "Judgment Bolt" <t>, and if you think thats a small mistake.. I lost the fight because of it ><
Zaine - Lakshmi
75 Tarutaru Beastmaster
75 Red Mage, 60 Blue Mage, 42 White Mage, 40 Black Mage, 40 Thief, 37 Warrior, 37 Ninja, 23 Dark Knight, 19 Paladin, 18 Monk
Windurst Rank 10
ZM: 17
PM: Complete
TM: Complete
"Mister, you're dressed up like a mad sheep!" - Brygid the Stylist
75 Tarutaru Beastmaster
75 Red Mage, 60 Blue Mage, 42 White Mage, 40 Black Mage, 40 Thief, 37 Warrior, 37 Ninja, 23 Dark Knight, 19 Paladin, 18 Monk
Windurst Rank 10
ZM: 17
PM: Complete
TM: Complete
"Mister, you're dressed up like a mad sheep!" - Brygid the Stylist
24 posts
can someone tell me how exactly u solo this? i buff, summon, astral, JB the middle pugil then if i run and wait to resummon they go after me and not ramuh even when ramuh is attacking them. what am i doing wrong?
Edited, Wed Aug 10 18:39:05 2005
Edited, Wed Aug 10 18:39:05 2005
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Actually what you are doing wrong is not getting your second judgement bolt as soon as ramuh starts attacking the pugs
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what am i doing wrong?
You're letting Ramuh die before getting off 2nd Judgment Bolt.
www.angelicknights.com
there's three in the video archive.
there's three in the video archive.
Well i decided to try this after the update and i have already successfully soloed it. WEll i went in did buffs and stuff and summoned ramuh, astral flowed, judgement blot. Then i started to run away and about 2 seconds laters ramuhs name dissappeared at full health. Then the pugs chased me and hunted me down. I think the update chaged it because i never had ramuh die in 2 seconds...normally i have the problem of ramuh not dying.
42 posts
um, doesnt using judgement bolt take away all your MP? leaving you with none to perpetuate the avatar with? thats what always happens to me. id imagine you have to use Hi ethers relatively fast then summon again as soon as you can.
or switch out ramuh for another avatar until his recast recharges so the fish have something else to shoot at.
or switch out ramuh for another avatar until his recast recharges so the fish have something else to shoot at.
Also, when Astral Flow is active you dont have a perpetuation cost
Aeolus [Fairy]
Jobs:
Rdm75//Rng75//Thf47//Blm40//Bst40//Nin37
Whm37//Drk38//Brd31//Sam37//War37//Blu37//Pld28
Smn20//Mnk15//Drg08//Pup05//Cor05//Dnc00//Sch00
Crafts:
Alch87~~Fish83~~Cloth53~~Gold24~~Smith15
Cook14~~Wood14~~Leather08~~Bone07
Missions:
Windurst:O**CoP:O**ZM:O**ToA:O
Jobs:
Rdm75//Rng75//Thf47//Blm40//Bst40//Nin37
Whm37//Drk38//Brd31//Sam37//War37//Blu37//Pld28
Smn20//Mnk15//Drg08//Pup05//Cor05//Dnc00//Sch00
Crafts:
Alch87~~Fish83~~Cloth53~~Gold24~~Smith15
Cook14~~Wood14~~Leather08~~Bone07
Missions:
Windurst:O**CoP:O**ZM:O**ToA:O
10 posts
if you use a yag drink your avatar will stay out because of the mp regen so you dont have to worry about using an ether.
Wootah?
Lol i know what i did wrong i didnt drink yag and i remember i thought it didnt matter but i forgot i didnt get auto-refresh till 25.
Edited, Thu Aug 11 21:23:39 2005
Edited, Thu Aug 11 21:23:39 2005
i got a black rock off this since this isnt on the list i might as well say it dropped
Naritori of Kujata
i'm 12/14 on it now, still never a lightning spirit dropped neither did the mannequin body, i did get a scroll of warp though
Everytime I try the sniper and 1 archer only does like 5 DMG but the other Archer ALWAYS does like 30-40 DMG it is getting extremely annoying since usually I have about 1 second left on astral flow before my 2nd shot. I'm 0/3 on this one...
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Sesshoumaru = RDM67 RNG42 SMN29 WHM31 NIN25 BLM37 BRD26 BST21
Woodworking 67.5+1 (Lumberjack & Wood Ensorcellment)
Goldsmithing 27.3
Bonecraft 40.7
Smithing 1
Clothcraft 14.1
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Mitarashi
Cooking 52 (Raw Fish Handling)
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Sesshoumaru = RDM67 RNG42 SMN29 WHM31 NIN25 BLM37 BRD26 BST21
Woodworking 67.5+1 (Lumberjack & Wood Ensorcellment)
Goldsmithing 27.3
Bonecraft 40.7
Smithing 1
Clothcraft 14.1
---------Mule---------
Mitarashi
Cooking 52 (Raw Fish Handling)
Proud G.A.P. Member since - 2/27/04