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Dropping Like Flies
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Battle NotesIn order to enter the battlefield you will need to bring a Sky Orb, which is obtained by trading 30 Beastmen's Seals to Shami at (H-8) in Port Jeuno. When you are ready, trade the Sky Orb to the Burning Circle inside Horlais Peak and choose to enter the battle Dropping Like Flies. Up to 6 people may enter and you will all receive a level 30 restriction. You have 30 minutes to win. You will fight a total of 9 flies: one Huntfly and 8 Houndflies. StrategiesThis page last modified 2008-04-04 14:20:01. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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We over kill it, no need for any 2 hours. 6 summoners summon and use AOE move. We did it until it is dead. 6 tar summoners is the bomb. Most time we spend a full day camping the hairpin.
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I´m here cause I need some help for this BCNM at server REMORA. I don´t find anyone who wants so....
Please pm me if you can help or want the Emperor hairpin.I have all this weekend to do this bcnm. please send me your job and time you can do, and if u find me online please /t me. I can go many times if it necessary...
Srever: REMORA
Name: Dogma
Job: THF32/WAR16
Please pm me if you can help or want the Emperor hairpin.I have all this weekend to do this bcnm. please send me your job and time you can do, and if u find me online please /t me. I can go many times if it necessary...
Srever: REMORA
Name: Dogma
Job: THF32/WAR16
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as i understand it there are 9 flys where one is NM rest have 600 - 700 hp.
Either way u would need a tough tank to do this, most likely pld or thf doing flee.
My thought was if PLD use an unusual sub like blm too get Blaze spike effect to keep hateon him and buy time for DD's.
Could one have 3 x rng doing barrage on fly's around dropping 2 of them fast ( must use sharpshoot to make sure u hit with full dmg )
Question would be does the flys link on new attackers or will they remain on tank since they hit Ice spikes and got dmg by pld.
id recomend brd/whm too keep acc up on rng's and posibly a paon do regen their hp as it goes down, hopefully they have /nin and can utsusemi evry 30 sec's.
Whm would also backup heal pld.
as for 6th member id use a blu/blm ( use def food ) and have him tank with pld and get down NM, he would also use Blaze spikes. ( if only Ice spikes where level 15 blm >.< )
Most rng/nin with god acc can drop about 200+ dmg on a full hit barrage with some atck food, ws when tp full just like u would do Royale jelly with Drg's. once u get more of them down pld and blu would have less dmg too worry about, im sure if Blu equips Aoe spells he could take of hat from pld as he gets low.
This setup would of course require a lot of Hi pot's, yags,Pam am drink and hi ethers for blu & pld, brd/whm would use Yags posibly hi ethers if needed, Rng's would use acc food unless they sure their gear is so good they can hit full barrage with R.atck food ( Dhalmal pie, no need to waste money on 3 hour food incase u die) and of course 2 pam am's just too be sure.
Brd/whm job would be key to keeping all alive as brd can go over to pld & blu and cast his highest paons for regen to add on pam am drink + mp regen song.
Im sure u could do this with sevral Blu/blm with def food + pld tank or even go drg/war x 3 pld/blm x 2 if u bring a brd too keep things smooth and keep away from using 2 hours, it's all about hate control here and keeping ur tanks alive long enough. as some Fly's die dmg will lessen on pld & blu.
U could probably use any DD job as the 3 downing fly's around but killing them as fast as posible is the key in such a setup.
Im interested in trying this, i play rng a lot on Cop missions for LS and i love Brd's in tough fights, bolts rock for fast kills, gun for heavy dmg( usally switch too gun for barrage or to use stun bullets)
I just started levling Blu and got mine to 20 with all but 2 spells missing to 20, and i think with Stun attack & sevral other strong vs Fly spells Blu could knel down the NM and keep dmg low on himself with pld.
Flame me if u think it sucks ^^, i dont care but i think u can win without doing smn 3x 2 hours + pld 2 hour.
Either way u would need a tough tank to do this, most likely pld or thf doing flee.
My thought was if PLD use an unusual sub like blm too get Blaze spike effect to keep hateon him and buy time for DD's.
Could one have 3 x rng doing barrage on fly's around dropping 2 of them fast ( must use sharpshoot to make sure u hit with full dmg )
Question would be does the flys link on new attackers or will they remain on tank since they hit Ice spikes and got dmg by pld.
id recomend brd/whm too keep acc up on rng's and posibly a paon do regen their hp as it goes down, hopefully they have /nin and can utsusemi evry 30 sec's.
Whm would also backup heal pld.
as for 6th member id use a blu/blm ( use def food ) and have him tank with pld and get down NM, he would also use Blaze spikes. ( if only Ice spikes where level 15 blm >.< )
Most rng/nin with god acc can drop about 200+ dmg on a full hit barrage with some atck food, ws when tp full just like u would do Royale jelly with Drg's. once u get more of them down pld and blu would have less dmg too worry about, im sure if Blu equips Aoe spells he could take of hat from pld as he gets low.
This setup would of course require a lot of Hi pot's, yags,Pam am drink and hi ethers for blu & pld, brd/whm would use Yags posibly hi ethers if needed, Rng's would use acc food unless they sure their gear is so good they can hit full barrage with R.atck food ( Dhalmal pie, no need to waste money on 3 hour food incase u die) and of course 2 pam am's just too be sure.
Brd/whm job would be key to keeping all alive as brd can go over to pld & blu and cast his highest paons for regen to add on pam am drink + mp regen song.
Im sure u could do this with sevral Blu/blm with def food + pld tank or even go drg/war x 3 pld/blm x 2 if u bring a brd too keep things smooth and keep away from using 2 hours, it's all about hate control here and keeping ur tanks alive long enough. as some Fly's die dmg will lessen on pld & blu.
U could probably use any DD job as the 3 downing fly's around but killing them as fast as posible is the key in such a setup.
Im interested in trying this, i play rng a lot on Cop missions for LS and i love Brd's in tough fights, bolts rock for fast kills, gun for heavy dmg( usally switch too gun for barrage or to use stun bullets)
I just started levling Blu and got mine to 20 with all but 2 spells missing to 20, and i think with Stun attack & sevral other strong vs Fly spells Blu could knel down the NM and keep dmg low on himself with pld.
Flame me if u think it sucks ^^, i dont care but i think u can win without doing smn 3x 2 hours + pld 2 hour.
1st try - mistakenly thought the Huntfly was closest, when in fact he's right in the middle of the other 8. Got too close, everything aggrod, and that was that.
2nd try - On lightningday with Galka SMN, no equip at all.
Used RR scroll, drank a Yagudo, and sent Shiva against the closest Houndfly. They all swarmed her, and I hit 2hr/Diamond Dust. Houndflies took @ 480 each, Huntfly took 386. Flies killed Shiva and me.
Waited for flies to retreat back to BC and reraised myself. Used a hi-ether and another yag drink - had just enough mp for Diamond Dust while weakened.
Called Shiva, hit them all with 2hr again. Houndflies took another 480, Huntfly took 198 this time (50% resist). No flies died, killed Shiva, killed me.
It was here I realized I hadn't used another RR item, although I had been expecting 2 Diamond Dusts to kill the 8 flies. Silly Galka....but FFxiclopedia said 2 would do it.
3rd try - Haven't yet. I'm not sure now whether 3 Flow's will kill the 8 little ones, and also not sure there's enough time to 2hr 3x while dying and reraising. It's close.
Also, Shiva seemed to have about 200 hitpoints. With all 9 flies up, she lasted just 2 attack rounds. With just the Huntfly left, doing about 31 per normal hit, she'd last 7 rounds at the most. Dunno if this will be enough to kite long enough to finish the last one off, especially while weakened.
I'm not even sure if Duoing it with another SMN is viable - since the first wave of AF won't kill the 8 Houndflies, they're likely going to kill both SMN before AF is back up. If the 2nd wave does kill them, you'll still be trying to fight the Huntfly while weakened, or trying to finish it in a hurry after letting weakness wear off.
EDIT - Forgot the time limit is 30 minutes, not 15. So, it still *might* be possible, if it's worth 4 deaths to do it. :p
Edited, Apr 3rd 2007 1:20am by Turnerbrown
2nd try - On lightningday with Galka SMN, no equip at all.
Used RR scroll, drank a Yagudo, and sent Shiva against the closest Houndfly. They all swarmed her, and I hit 2hr/Diamond Dust. Houndflies took @ 480 each, Huntfly took 386. Flies killed Shiva and me.
Waited for flies to retreat back to BC and reraised myself. Used a hi-ether and another yag drink - had just enough mp for Diamond Dust while weakened.
Called Shiva, hit them all with 2hr again. Houndflies took another 480, Huntfly took 198 this time (50% resist). No flies died, killed Shiva, killed me.
It was here I realized I hadn't used another RR item, although I had been expecting 2 Diamond Dusts to kill the 8 flies. Silly Galka....but FFxiclopedia said 2 would do it.
3rd try - Haven't yet. I'm not sure now whether 3 Flow's will kill the 8 little ones, and also not sure there's enough time to 2hr 3x while dying and reraising. It's close.
Also, Shiva seemed to have about 200 hitpoints. With all 9 flies up, she lasted just 2 attack rounds. With just the Huntfly left, doing about 31 per normal hit, she'd last 7 rounds at the most. Dunno if this will be enough to kite long enough to finish the last one off, especially while weakened.
I'm not even sure if Duoing it with another SMN is viable - since the first wave of AF won't kill the 8 Houndflies, they're likely going to kill both SMN before AF is back up. If the 2nd wave does kill them, you'll still be trying to fight the Huntfly while weakened, or trying to finish it in a hurry after letting weakness wear off.
EDIT - Forgot the time limit is 30 minutes, not 15. So, it still *might* be possible, if it's worth 4 deaths to do it. :p
Edited, Apr 3rd 2007 1:20am by Turnerbrown
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omg... i just did this as 10 mins ago and bombed badly. heres the story
set up was like this-
2 plds
2 smns
1 war
1 blm
we get to the bcnm place and we're all ready so we go in, everyone gets buffs and run towards the 8-9 flys(cant remember how many) we all get up to were we can't get aggroed and wait for everyone to get full mp and hp. so we we're all ready to go so the smns summon shiva and get ready to 2 hour when all of asudden all the flies aggro 1 of the smns because he went a little to far up(btw he was a taru so he died super fast) then we all paniced and the other smn 2 hours and uses diamond dust before the pld could 2 hour so then shiva dies pretty fast. so now our 2 smns are dead then the first pld 2 hours at about 100 hp then once his 2 hour was gone he died then the rest of us died....
so basicly just SOME advice DON'T GO FORWARD ON ACCIDENT
btw my spelling sucks so please dont get pissed >.>
set up was like this-
2 plds
2 smns
1 war
1 blm
we get to the bcnm place and we're all ready so we go in, everyone gets buffs and run towards the 8-9 flys(cant remember how many) we all get up to were we can't get aggroed and wait for everyone to get full mp and hp. so we we're all ready to go so the smns summon shiva and get ready to 2 hour when all of asudden all the flies aggro 1 of the smns because he went a little to far up(btw he was a taru so he died super fast) then we all paniced and the other smn 2 hours and uses diamond dust before the pld could 2 hour so then shiva dies pretty fast. so now our 2 smns are dead then the first pld 2 hours at about 100 hp then once his 2 hour was gone he died then the rest of us died....
so basicly just SOME advice DON'T GO FORWARD ON ACCIDENT
btw my spelling sucks so please dont get pissed >.>
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Is there a way to do this bcnm with a whm?
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Did this both last nite and this evening. Got hairpin twice. Set up on mon. was war/nin, pld/war, smn/whm, smn/blm, drg/war, and me as thf/nin. got the head and the hairpin as well as the singer's mantle. This evening did it with only 2 smns, pld, and me as nin thf again. Not only did we set a new record, but we got 1k gil the hairpin & head again, plus we got both wrestler's aspis and wyvvern mantle. The idea is that thf is there to provide TH1 to give a slightly increase of getting the drops and it worx too. BEst part is we splitting the profits by 4 and with hairpin selling for 1mil thats 250k a piece. SPLEEEEEE! yes i said splee so sue me.
Edited, Jan 24th 2007 1:50am by Turroe
Edited, Jan 24th 2007 1:50am by Turroe
I'm crazy like a galka hooked oin speed, chocolate, and assorted forms of sugar. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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ok for everyone who wants to know the perfect setup its 1 pld 2x smn. easiest bcnm ever. pld goes in agros all fly and 2hrs. 2 smn astral flow diamond dust x2 all but main fly is dead. then just have pld cure himself till second 2 diamond dusts are ready and the main one should be dead. if not just hope u can stay alive long enough for a ws or another diamond dust.
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Here is my experience with this one. A LS member wanted to try it out for the hairpin. We couldn't gather up enough people so we decided to just try it with 4 people. Setup was Pld/War (Me), Blu/War, 2xSmn/Whm. We figured we might as well try to sleep them with Blue Mage's two AOE sleep.
Prep was nothing special, I had a yag drink, and one of the Smns brought ethers and a yag drink, the ethers turned out not to be necessary.
The battle plan was to buff up, and then for me to run in and provoke the main fly getting aggro from the rest before popping Invincible. The Smns then popped Astral Flow with Shiva and with the first round of AF's, the houndflies were dead. That left just the Huntfly, we could not get it to be slept so I am assuming that the rest can not be slept by Blu spells either (Soporific and Sheep Song), much like the resistance to lullaby and sleep. The fight went really smoothly, and in the end the total AF count was 5 to bring down the Huntfly. So 3 rounds. The Blu was probably unnecessary, so all you really need is a Pld and 2 Smns.
We did not get the Hairpin, just a shield, mannequin head, and a couple of other things. But for all those looking to do this, it is not that hard with a couple of Smn's and a Pld. You don't need any really expensive prep, just a yag drink for the Pld and the Smn's if you feel like it really. Even with Galka Mp I was able to keep myself alive with minimal help for the 2 min that I was left without invincible. So good luck, and just to reiterate, you don't need expensive things such as icarus wing or high-ethers etc...just a couple of people who know what they are doing and the ability to use 2 hr's.
Prep was nothing special, I had a yag drink, and one of the Smns brought ethers and a yag drink, the ethers turned out not to be necessary.
The battle plan was to buff up, and then for me to run in and provoke the main fly getting aggro from the rest before popping Invincible. The Smns then popped Astral Flow with Shiva and with the first round of AF's, the houndflies were dead. That left just the Huntfly, we could not get it to be slept so I am assuming that the rest can not be slept by Blu spells either (Soporific and Sheep Song), much like the resistance to lullaby and sleep. The fight went really smoothly, and in the end the total AF count was 5 to bring down the Huntfly. So 3 rounds. The Blu was probably unnecessary, so all you really need is a Pld and 2 Smns.
We did not get the Hairpin, just a shield, mannequin head, and a couple of other things. But for all those looking to do this, it is not that hard with a couple of Smn's and a Pld. You don't need any really expensive prep, just a yag drink for the Pld and the Smn's if you feel like it really. Even with Galka Mp I was able to keep myself alive with minimal help for the 2 min that I was left without invincible. So good luck, and just to reiterate, you don't need expensive things such as icarus wing or high-ethers etc...just a couple of people who know what they are doing and the ability to use 2 hr's.
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The trick lies on AoE spells.
And what better AoE than SMN 2h?
At least 2 or 3 SMN and a THF or PLD is enough to beat this.
Just get the THF or PLD get all the hate and use 2h and then use SMN 2h to nuke the flies.
In a matter of seconds it's all over.
Only problem is of course you can only do this every 2 Hour.
But at least it doesn't require getting a full pt.
P.S: instead of SMN, if you get a whole army of BLM plus THF or PLD, and make them cast Wind or Thunder AoE. It might work the same, but never tried though.
And what better AoE than SMN 2h?
At least 2 or 3 SMN and a THF or PLD is enough to beat this.
Just get the THF or PLD get all the hate and use 2h and then use SMN 2h to nuke the flies.
In a matter of seconds it's all over.
Only problem is of course you can only do this every 2 Hour.
But at least it doesn't require getting a full pt.
P.S: instead of SMN, if you get a whole army of BLM plus THF or PLD, and make them cast Wind or Thunder AoE. It might work the same, but never tried though.
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Setup 2 SMN/WHM, WHM/BLM, BLM/RDM, THF/NIN, PLD/WAR.... after u do it once and have SMN's 2hr if you want to try it again maybe this setup will work, THF enters and grabs flys uses flee, 2 SMNS uses Ramuh thunderspark, which does decent damage and paralyzes the flys, while PLD tanks main fly. Once SMN's use thunderspark BLM AOE the rest... if possible maybe have 2 BLM instead of 1 THF, but PLD would then need to 2hr or be healed immensly by WHM. But anyway if BLM AOE can finish off the houndflys then u can focus on main fly, its risky and may take a few ethers and pots, but i know its possible.
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I got a video to this strategy it works but some people die
29 posts
0/8 on the pin .......
pld 2smns and whm = easy
if the pld has a yag drink could easaly be done with just 2 smns and pld
THE DROP RATE FOR THIS THING SUCKS dont get fooled by all the fairy tale storys for ppl getting drop first try 4/8 of the batles were on full moon.....
pld 2smns and whm = easy
if the pld has a yag drink could easaly be done with just 2 smns and pld
THE DROP RATE FOR THIS THING SUCKS dont get fooled by all the fairy tale storys for ppl getting drop first try 4/8 of the batles were on full moon.....
Triston - Asura
THF 70/ NIN WAR 37
PLD 63(retired)
Woodworking 62 ^^
0/2 VE 0/27 Emp pin bcnm
THF 70/ NIN WAR 37
PLD 63(retired)
Woodworking 62 ^^
0/2 VE 0/27 Emp pin bcnm
29 posts
Mine wasnt a fairy tale, but try bringing a THF for TH... I can guarentee I'm 1/1 on the Emp Pin.
Good luck in future attempts.
Good luck in future attempts.
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I was reading a few posts here and I decided to give this one a try.
I went with SMN/SMN/SMN/THF/PLD/SAM(me).
We only did one orb, my own and I promised if I hit Emp Pin I would give them all 100k each.
We go in, the THF runs up gets all mobs around him then uses Perfect Dodge. The first SMN uses Shiva - Diamond Dust, which brings all non NM Flies to 40-50% health. Then the group goes up and rapes 2 SMNs and the THF out of no where. The PLD vokes the NM fly and he keeps that one on him until the last SMN can get a Diamond Dust off. The last SMN eventually get it off and all but one non NM and the NM are alive (non NM at about 2% health) so I solo the non NM from there.
It was looking very scary when all the mobs were alive and 3 of us were. But now it was 3 of us vs the NM (SMN/PLD/SAM). I was REALLY amazed to see how quick the NM killed the PLD. While the SMN was getting MP to Diamond Dust again I, the SAM/WAR had to tank. And for some reason I did better than the PLD, he got me down to about 75% HP before the SMN could get off a Diamond Dust which brought the NM to about 15%. I still had hate even though the SMN did 2 Diamond Dusts to it. I thought for sure I was dead because I needed him to get MP for a third Diamon Dust. Surprisingly the NM only did about 25% more damage to me by the he had Diamond Dust ready. He used Diamond and him and I survived.
I run up to chest so quick it's not even funny, because I only had 60k going into the BCNM and I really needed money.
My drops (Midgard server prices):
Insect Wing (500 gil)
Onyx (1000 gil)
Wizard's Mantle (70k)
Wrestler's Targe (100k)
Mannequin Head (250k)
EMPORER HAIRPIN (2 mil)
I couldn't have been happier with the drops. I was very amazed, I thought this would go so smooth it would be too easy but when the group went up to the SMNs and whiped em out before they could barely Diamond Dust I thought for sure we were dead. Amazingly I tanked and the last SMN knew what he was doing really well.
Very fun, Im sure after experience it will be easier next time.
I went with SMN/SMN/SMN/THF/PLD/SAM(me).
We only did one orb, my own and I promised if I hit Emp Pin I would give them all 100k each.
We go in, the THF runs up gets all mobs around him then uses Perfect Dodge. The first SMN uses Shiva - Diamond Dust, which brings all non NM Flies to 40-50% health. Then the group goes up and rapes 2 SMNs and the THF out of no where. The PLD vokes the NM fly and he keeps that one on him until the last SMN can get a Diamond Dust off. The last SMN eventually get it off and all but one non NM and the NM are alive (non NM at about 2% health) so I solo the non NM from there.
It was looking very scary when all the mobs were alive and 3 of us were. But now it was 3 of us vs the NM (SMN/PLD/SAM). I was REALLY amazed to see how quick the NM killed the PLD. While the SMN was getting MP to Diamond Dust again I, the SAM/WAR had to tank. And for some reason I did better than the PLD, he got me down to about 75% HP before the SMN could get off a Diamond Dust which brought the NM to about 15%. I still had hate even though the SMN did 2 Diamond Dusts to it. I thought for sure I was dead because I needed him to get MP for a third Diamon Dust. Surprisingly the NM only did about 25% more damage to me by the he had Diamond Dust ready. He used Diamond and him and I survived.
I run up to chest so quick it's not even funny, because I only had 60k going into the BCNM and I really needed money.
My drops (Midgard server prices):
Insect Wing (500 gil)
Onyx (1000 gil)
Wizard's Mantle (70k)
Wrestler's Targe (100k)
Mannequin Head (250k)
EMPORER HAIRPIN (2 mil)
I couldn't have been happier with the drops. I was very amazed, I thought this would go so smooth it would be too easy but when the group went up to the SMNs and whiped em out before they could barely Diamond Dust I thought for sure we were dead. Amazingly I tanked and the last SMN knew what he was doing really well.
Very fun, Im sure after experience it will be easier next time.
Anyone check to see if Blue Magic > Soporific will stick on these things? That would make setups that dont involve summoners and 2 hours feasible.
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....ok as you soon will be able to tell... i have not done many bcnms... so imma cut to the chase^^... ok how are the items split... but first apparently you cannot do this bcnm more than once back to back cuz... well everbody just 2hr'd... so now you must wait for two hr to come back up... and that would mean that the orb user gets all the drops meaning no one else gets ne goodies... in turn making it hard to get ppl to wanna do..... right??????
Most people have the distribution of drops pre determined in cases like this one. My LS does this BCNM alot and we lot for all drops, although we dont allow anyone to lot on any other items if they win the lot on Emporer's Hairpin. Hope that cleared it up for you a bit.
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Job:67 rdm/ 33 blm
Server: Valefor
Home Nation: Windurst
Owner and sole propreitor of FBT's Chocobo Farms
Chocobos bred for intelligence since Chocobo Raising first debuted. If you want a chocobo card from a choco of any type/color, send me a tell and i'll work with my partners to get you that card at a reasonable price.
so I grew impatient of trying to get smn's together for this and figured I'd try it out on my own so when I do go w/ smn's, I know how the flies will behave with my avatars. However, it didn't work quite as I had planned.
I ran in, casted shiva, took my yag drink and went to assault the Huntfly. Sadly, before I was in Assault range of the Huntfly, I was in agro range of the front most Houndfly. Needless to say, I got agro'd and linked all the flies before I could command assault. So now I at least know the flies link... which should make it easier for a pld to invincible, run to center and wait for Diamond dust. I thought the flies would be around the outer ring and the pld would waste 20 seconds gathering the flies together...
A few questions tho...
1) If there's only one summoner using Diamond Dust, how many Diamond Dusts must be performed to kill the 8 minion flies (assuming no resistance or misses)... one burst? or two bursts?
2) If I use a thf instead of pld, perfect dodge would have same desired effect yes? Both negate physical damage, and both are susceptable to magic damage.
3) If a SMN were to use avatar to attack front most Houndfly, would the other flies link to the avatar? or to the SMN?
3a) If the flies link onto the avatar, how many hits can Shiva take from each fly before she dies? (Cause my taru smn can only take one hit from each fly I've found..)
4) Do the flies have any type of range attack? If I retreat Shiva, will they drop behind eventually, or stay on Shiva like flies at a picnic?
5) Does anyone know the ~HP count of the mobs involved? and how is their physical attack defense vs magic attack defense?
I ran in, casted shiva, took my yag drink and went to assault the Huntfly. Sadly, before I was in Assault range of the Huntfly, I was in agro range of the front most Houndfly. Needless to say, I got agro'd and linked all the flies before I could command assault. So now I at least know the flies link... which should make it easier for a pld to invincible, run to center and wait for Diamond dust. I thought the flies would be around the outer ring and the pld would waste 20 seconds gathering the flies together...
A few questions tho...
1) If there's only one summoner using Diamond Dust, how many Diamond Dusts must be performed to kill the 8 minion flies (assuming no resistance or misses)... one burst? or two bursts?
2) If I use a thf instead of pld, perfect dodge would have same desired effect yes? Both negate physical damage, and both are susceptable to magic damage.
3) If a SMN were to use avatar to attack front most Houndfly, would the other flies link to the avatar? or to the SMN?
3a) If the flies link onto the avatar, how many hits can Shiva take from each fly before she dies? (Cause my taru smn can only take one hit from each fly I've found..)
4) Do the flies have any type of range attack? If I retreat Shiva, will they drop behind eventually, or stay on Shiva like flies at a picnic?
5) Does anyone know the ~HP count of the mobs involved? and how is their physical attack defense vs magic attack defense?
HELLO!!!! I decided to try and answer some of your questions(but not all of them)! I did this today trying for the Hairpin.
Set-up: SMN/RDM, SMN/WHM, PLD/WAR, PLD/WAR, WHM/BLM
Planned set-up: 3SMN instead of 2SMN and WHM
Total Players: 5
Problems we discovered along the way:
1) One of the PLD/WAR brought NO ARMOR, WEAPONS, OR 2-hour ability! I was pissed when I found out he brought *NOTHING* to help with.
2) The other SMN has a big mouth and was pissing off other members.
Observations:
1) We didn't need the WHM or the "useless" 2nd PLD. The 2nd PLD didn't do a thing accept provoke, which almost killed him.
2) We could have done this battle with 3 people, not 5.
Preperations For Summoners:
1) 1 Yagudo Drink
2) *Optional*: If you plan on healing the PLD while your waiting for your Blood Pact timer to come back, BRING ETHERS.
*****
*Now to answer your questions!*
1)Diamond Dust: I used Diamond Dust first with the other SMN following about 1/2 a second after me. From how it looked in the Chat log, It takes 2 Diamond Dusts total to defeat the weak Damselfies that surround the main fly.
2) I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this question.
3) If your avatar moves in to attack the Boss fly, *ALL* Of the flies will Agro onto your Avatar, linking all of their friends. As soon as your avatar is defeated by the 9 flies, it will come after YOU. <I'm sorry>
3a) If the flies link onto the avatar, Shiva in this case, She doesn't have much of a chance. This is how I am judging after both of our shivas we defeated. We destroyed the 8 "weak" flies, but the Boss fly aggroed onto the 2nd Shiva and killed her, then the 1st Shiva. At this point, the PLD did his first provoke, on the one fly left alive.
4) Luckily we defeated the flies before we could see if they have long range attacks, But judging how they first attacked the PLD when he ran in, I would have to say that They are ALL close-range monsters. You might want to be careful of AoE attacks as all Damselflies are known for them. These AoE attacks are the Poison attack and the one where it's tail glows. (you can find more example of this in Valkurm Dunes) These flies will stay on your avatar's ass until it is dead if you end in shiva then "Retreat" her.
5) I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this question.
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I have answered some of your questions, but not all. I hope they come of service to everyone in the future. There are still many questions to be answer about this BCNM.
Hopefully someone is willing to try this with a THF and using Perfect dodge. Try asking 75THF's if they have ever been hit while Perfect dodge is on. If the answer is no, then the chances of a new strategy in this BCNM will be brought out. Please, if anyone tries this, please post the results of Perfect Dodge in place of the PLD's role.
Exactly like what others have said in previous posts, I would not suggest this for those who only bring 1 SMN to this BCNM. Bringing a BLM in place of the 2nd SMN might work, but why risk that?
Having a PLD isn't only for agroing the flies at the very beginning, it's for Tanking the Boss fly while your Blood Pact timer is still ticking away for your 2nd or 3rd Astral flow. And yes, as your did state, all of the flies are next to each other. Get detection by one and you link them all.
Shiva's Blood Pact Count:
2 Diamond Dusts - 8 flies are dead
2 Diamond Dusts - The main fly is almost dead
1 Diamond Dust- Main fly is dead, but the last BP is an Overkill.
Reason for only 5? The PLD brought an Icarus Wing for a weapon skill. We would have needed 6 Diamond Dusts to defeat the main fly, had there not been close combat fighting involed with the PLD. It appears other players have confirmed that.
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BCNM BATTLE 2
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Set-up: PLD/WAR, SMN/WHM, SMN/RDM(me)
Total Players: 3
We did just as I stated above.
I used ethers to assist the PLD in staying alive, as did the SMN/WHM. We only used Cure1. We did NOT use HIGH Ethers. Anyone who did the level 20 avatar battles would know not to bring High ethers. The casting time on High ethers is Disgustingly long. The PLD had an Icarus wing as well.
Still no Haripin. ; ;
EDIT: fixed typos
EDIT: more typos
EDIT: I don't think this is soloable. The flies do way too much damage to your Avatar to allow it to stay alive long enough to retreat to the other side of the battle field.
Edited, Fri Jun 2 04:49:28 2006
Set-up: SMN/RDM, SMN/WHM, PLD/WAR, PLD/WAR, WHM/BLM
Planned set-up: 3SMN instead of 2SMN and WHM
Total Players: 5
Problems we discovered along the way:
1) One of the PLD/WAR brought NO ARMOR, WEAPONS, OR 2-hour ability! I was pissed when I found out he brought *NOTHING* to help with.
2) The other SMN has a big mouth and was pissing off other members.
Observations:
1) We didn't need the WHM or the "useless" 2nd PLD. The 2nd PLD didn't do a thing accept provoke, which almost killed him.
2) We could have done this battle with 3 people, not 5.
Preperations For Summoners:
1) 1 Yagudo Drink
2) *Optional*: If you plan on healing the PLD while your waiting for your Blood Pact timer to come back, BRING ETHERS.
*****
*Now to answer your questions!*
1)Diamond Dust: I used Diamond Dust first with the other SMN following about 1/2 a second after me. From how it looked in the Chat log, It takes 2 Diamond Dusts total to defeat the weak Damselfies that surround the main fly.
2) I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this question.
3) If your avatar moves in to attack the Boss fly, *ALL* Of the flies will Agro onto your Avatar, linking all of their friends. As soon as your avatar is defeated by the 9 flies, it will come after YOU. <I'm sorry>
3a) If the flies link onto the avatar, Shiva in this case, She doesn't have much of a chance. This is how I am judging after both of our shivas we defeated. We destroyed the 8 "weak" flies, but the Boss fly aggroed onto the 2nd Shiva and killed her, then the 1st Shiva. At this point, the PLD did his first provoke, on the one fly left alive.
4) Luckily we defeated the flies before we could see if they have long range attacks, But judging how they first attacked the PLD when he ran in, I would have to say that They are ALL close-range monsters. You might want to be careful of AoE attacks as all Damselflies are known for them. These AoE attacks are the Poison attack and the one where it's tail glows. (you can find more example of this in Valkurm Dunes) These flies will stay on your avatar's ass until it is dead if you end in shiva then "Retreat" her.
5) I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this question.
********
I have answered some of your questions, but not all. I hope they come of service to everyone in the future. There are still many questions to be answer about this BCNM.
Hopefully someone is willing to try this with a THF and using Perfect dodge. Try asking 75THF's if they have ever been hit while Perfect dodge is on. If the answer is no, then the chances of a new strategy in this BCNM will be brought out. Please, if anyone tries this, please post the results of Perfect Dodge in place of the PLD's role.
Exactly like what others have said in previous posts, I would not suggest this for those who only bring 1 SMN to this BCNM. Bringing a BLM in place of the 2nd SMN might work, but why risk that?
Having a PLD isn't only for agroing the flies at the very beginning, it's for Tanking the Boss fly while your Blood Pact timer is still ticking away for your 2nd or 3rd Astral flow. And yes, as your did state, all of the flies are next to each other. Get detection by one and you link them all.
Shiva's Blood Pact Count:
2 Diamond Dusts - 8 flies are dead
2 Diamond Dusts - The main fly is almost dead
1 Diamond Dust- Main fly is dead, but the last BP is an Overkill.
Reason for only 5? The PLD brought an Icarus Wing for a weapon skill. We would have needed 6 Diamond Dusts to defeat the main fly, had there not been close combat fighting involed with the PLD. It appears other players have confirmed that.
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BCNM BATTLE 2
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Set-up: PLD/WAR, SMN/WHM, SMN/RDM(me)
Total Players: 3
We did just as I stated above.
I used ethers to assist the PLD in staying alive, as did the SMN/WHM. We only used Cure1. We did NOT use HIGH Ethers. Anyone who did the level 20 avatar battles would know not to bring High ethers. The casting time on High ethers is Disgustingly long. The PLD had an Icarus wing as well.
Still no Haripin. ; ;
EDIT: fixed typos
EDIT: more typos
EDIT: I don't think this is soloable. The flies do way too much damage to your Avatar to allow it to stay alive long enough to retreat to the other side of the battle field.
Edited, Fri Jun 2 04:49:28 2006
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We want to actually @#%^ing use the avatars we work our @#%^ing asses off and spent 200k+ to fight there asses, for what not cause some @#%^ers actually think oh your SMN heal mother@#%^er.
I'm glad I wrote this. I came back to try and remember information after an 8 month break from the game. Too bad I can't remember my password or email @.@. Might do this bcnm again. I'll see how it goes, using this strategy.
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YOU MUST HAVE 3 Sumoners, and 1 or 2 Paladins. First the Paladain goes in and 2 hours and trains all mobs to one place, Then sumoners use 2 hour with shiva, and that kills all flies, but the hunt fly, then other PLD vokes and a2hours, holds it off till smn's are ready, Diamond dusta again, and BANG ur done, easiest BCNM ive ever done, im am currently 5/5 wins, and 3/5 empreror pins
I don't think YOU MUST HAVE 3 summoners, I've done it with 1 and I've done it with 2. PLD is a must however.
Exterminate all rational thought. This is the conclusion I have come to.
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YOU MUST HAVE 3 Sumoners, and 1 or 2 Paladins. First the Paladain goes in and 2 hours and trains all mobs to one place, Then sumoners use 2 hour with shiva, and that kills all flies, but the hunt fly, then other PLD vokes and a2hours, holds it off till smn's are ready, Diamond dusta again, and BANG ur done, easiest BCNM ive ever done, im am currently 5/5 wins, and 3/5 empreror pins
~No one lives forever. Not even taru's~
Would anyone who has done this BCNM let me know if the flies are close enough together at the start of the fight to be hit with an AoE spell from the start? Or do you need to have someone run in and gather them all together?
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Ok this is the best way that I found to do this bcnm. First get one Pld one Blm Two Smn and one whm, yes thats right just five ppl. Go in and have the whm buff then have the pld run in and get all arrgo. Then once he is in the middle of the mobs he uses two hour and smn use there two hour with shiva and all but one fly will be left. At this time just have your whm focus on keeping your pld healed and have your blm just cast firega it will do 130 to 150 a hit and when he runs out of mp have him use his two hour to finsh it of all in all the whole time it took us was 2 min 25 sec I think I cant remember the time perfectly but I know we hold the record for it and we never droped into the yellow on anyone the whole time and whm still had mp to spare.
Ls Code on Phoenix Rules
ps I have tried this bcnm 20 times with diff party setups and this has a 99.99% chance of winning.
Ls Code on Phoenix Rules
ps I have tried this bcnm 20 times with diff party setups and this has a 99.99% chance of winning.
13 posts
OK! Brilliant idea! Now what do you do for the second orb? your 2hrs are down...Try coming up with a plan that actually works for more than 1 orb, then i'll be impressed, its not that hard to win a BCNM with 4 2hrs...
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Quote:
OK! Brilliant idea! Now what do you do for the second orb? your 2hrs are down...Try coming up with a plan that actually works for more than 1 orb, then i'll be impressed, its not that hard to win a BCNM with 4 2hrs...
This.
Why do people even put in strategies which involve more than one 2hr? If you're running a bcnm, chances are everybody has an orb and wants to make use of it.
I understand situations with extreme and unhelpable circumstances, but intentionally going into a BCNM with less than the maximum allowed people (with the exception of ENMs and crazy extreme bouts for bragging rights) is just foolish, you're wasting a space, and crippling your chances to ensure success. Another pt member never hurts. (unless it's an ENM of course)
Ok, my real point in this post is that success in a BCNM relies less on the setup, and more on strategy and teamwork skill. (See my post under the Black Dragon for victory with THF/WAR and BRD/WHM ^.^)
Ok, my real point in this post is that success in a BCNM relies less on the setup, and more on strategy and teamwork skill. (See my post under the Black Dragon for victory with THF/WAR and BRD/WHM ^.^)
Dacron <No Linkshell>
Sylph Server
WAR/RNG/NIN/SAM
Sylph Server
WAR/RNG/NIN/SAM
Well the plus-side to this would mean more gil per person because of one less person to split it with.
But with 6 people they'd have an extra chance for the drop
My guess is that this bc can be done w/ 6bst even though the flies arent charmable. The key would be to have 5 bst solo one lesser fly each while the 6th bst kites the rest of the mobs.
So it would start something like this. Party enters and buffs call bst. The bst assigned to kite uses tiger familiar (tigers run fast) while the rest of the party uses a more dmg oriented jug or courier carrie. Wait for call beast timer to run down to 2min or so. Main kite bst sics pet on main fly which should draw aggro from all flies onto it.
The other bst can now sic their pets onto their assigned mob. At this point everybody should spread to avoid neighbors aoe. The kiter will run down to the bc entrance, do a /heel, and /stay when the tiger gets there and repeat. Whoever is done with their fly should proceed to kill the flies being kited.
The main problem I see would be having the tiger survive the initial assault of all 9 flies. This could be avoided by making sure that each bst is targeting a unique fly. The /assist command would be helpful here. This way there would be only 4 flies on the tiger from the beginning.
Also gravity may pose a problem for the tiger. Though gravity on a tiger is not as effective.
So it would start something like this. Party enters and buffs call bst. The bst assigned to kite uses tiger familiar (tigers run fast) while the rest of the party uses a more dmg oriented jug or courier carrie. Wait for call beast timer to run down to 2min or so. Main kite bst sics pet on main fly which should draw aggro from all flies onto it.
The other bst can now sic their pets onto their assigned mob. At this point everybody should spread to avoid neighbors aoe. The kiter will run down to the bc entrance, do a /heel, and /stay when the tiger gets there and repeat. Whoever is done with their fly should proceed to kill the flies being kited.
The main problem I see would be having the tiger survive the initial assault of all 9 flies. This could be avoided by making sure that each bst is targeting a unique fly. The /assist command would be helpful here. This way there would be only 4 flies on the tiger from the beginning.
Also gravity may pose a problem for the tiger. Though gravity on a tiger is not as effective.
Spu
RDM 75 BST 75
Cooking 100+1
(CC Mule) - CC:95+3 LC:60 SM:60 BC:55
RDM 75 BST 75
Cooking 100+1
(CC Mule) - CC:95+3 LC:60 SM:60 BC:55
Got a random tell asking me to help w/this BCNM.
So I grabed my BST gear, and headed up to the peak.
Was a PT of random melee and WHM. I was like (Uhg I'm gonna die) We go in, and the first thing that happens, is the leader aimless'y jusr runs in, arrgoing everything killing everyone.
2 hours later, he finds where to get a new orb.
Comes back, and we try again, this time I could have time to gauge...
and no, ya cant charm them.
Dont go into this BCNM w/o atleast 2 SMNs ready to 2 hour.
So I grabed my BST gear, and headed up to the peak.
Was a PT of random melee and WHM. I was like (Uhg I'm gonna die) We go in, and the first thing that happens, is the leader aimless'y jusr runs in, arrgoing everything killing everyone.
2 hours later, he finds where to get a new orb.
Comes back, and we try again, this time I could have time to gauge...
and no, ya cant charm them.
Dont go into this BCNM w/o atleast 2 SMNs ready to 2 hour.
I think that 3 BLMs should run a triangle and cast Ice Spikes on themselves and just Cure while a SAM and THF take on the main mob in the center. When SC is ready one of the BLMs cast Burn on the object mob and the SAM and THF do Distortion and the 3 BLMS triple MB WATER II on mob. You could even SATA the WHM for more dmg.
Rinse and Repeat. Sound good?
Rinse and Repeat. Sound good?
Hohito
BLM75/WHM75/SMN47/THF75/WAR75/RNG43/DRK39
Bastok/Shiva
BLM75/WHM75/SMN47/THF75/WAR75/RNG43/DRK39
Bastok/Shiva
6 blm, firaga, on a firesday, using elemental seal of course
that should drop the mobs down pretty quickly, if each blm is pimped out in int. add in a sleep from each one if that becomes a problem
that should drop the mobs down pretty quickly, if each blm is pimped out in int. add in a sleep from each one if that becomes a problem
WAR75BRD75BLM75NIN37MNK37THF37WHM37SAM37DNC37RDM37
Full Breaking straight from Shiva
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Full Breaking straight from Shiva
CoP Complete, Zilart Complete, Aht Urgan Complete
blz wrote:
When a War refuses to tank, ask them what lvl their Rng is.
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I.e. - id est, complete list of examples
Scholar
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Diabolos's Nightmare attack sticks to all except main NM.
Since Sleepga isn't available at this level on BLM or Shiva, and appearently BRD song doesn't stick, this seems to be the only way to sleep them.
Since Sleepga isn't available at this level on BLM or Shiva, and appearently BRD song doesn't stick, this seems to be the only way to sleep them.
Ok so how much damage does Shiva's Diamond Dust do?
Cause I'm thinking this
5 BLM/WHM
1 PLD/WAR or THF/WAR
4 BLMs start casting Firaga and tank vokes main fly then uses 2hr.
BLMs cast Firaga for about 150 each (total of between 500-700 damage)
5th BLM uses Ele Seal and Sleep the main fly.
4BLM's start casting Aeroga while 5th starts with Ele Seal + Sleep(different BLM this time)
Repeat again once more with Firaga with all 5 using it this time.
All flies should drop and then pld or thf tanks the last guy while blm's nuke/heal the tank
Food would be Yag Drinks (all 6)
Rolanberry Pies (Blm's)
Sole Sushi (Pld/Thf)
Cause I'm thinking this
5 BLM/WHM
1 PLD/WAR or THF/WAR
4 BLMs start casting Firaga and tank vokes main fly then uses 2hr.
BLMs cast Firaga for about 150 each (total of between 500-700 damage)
5th BLM uses Ele Seal and Sleep the main fly.
4BLM's start casting Aeroga while 5th starts with Ele Seal + Sleep(different BLM this time)
Repeat again once more with Firaga with all 5 using it this time.
All flies should drop and then pld or thf tanks the last guy while blm's nuke/heal the tank
Food would be Yag Drinks (all 6)
Rolanberry Pies (Blm's)
Sole Sushi (Pld/Thf)
Psylentcuda - Quetzy
BLM75/RDM53/WHM38
BLM75/RDM53/WHM38
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no that wont work, ive done this BCNM 4 times only got 3 manaquen heads, i sold em in between runs, but never got the pin, the first time i tried and failed with 3 smns's and a pld/war
3 sumoners didnt listen to me and @#%^d up, so then i treid with 4 sumon=s that was easy as pie, then trieed with 3 again, 2 diamond dusts each, thats 6 total, just to kill the main fly, its killed all the others with 2 but it took 6 AF's to kill the main fly!
3 sumoners didnt listen to me and @#%^d up, so then i treid with 4 sumon=s that was easy as pie, then trieed with 3 again, 2 diamond dusts each, thats 6 total, just to kill the main fly, its killed all the others with 2 but it took 6 AF's to kill the main fly!
~No one lives forever. Not even taru's~
Confirmed, these are impossible to put to sleep with Lullaby. I had 33+26 CHR, all i see is
"The Huntfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"Irocky was defeated by the Houndfly"
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"The Huntfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"The houndfly resists the spell"
"Irocky was defeated by the Houndfly"
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LOL
SMN75/WHM37
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Ok this is the best way that I found to do this bcnm. First get one Pld one Blm Two Smn and one whm yes thats right just five ppl go in and have the whm buff then have the pld run in and get all arrgo then once he is in the middle of the mobs he uses two hour and smn use there two hour with shiva and all but one fly will be left. At this time just have your whm focus on keeping your pld healed and have your blm just cast firega it will do 130 to 150 a hit and when he runs out of mp have him use his two hour to finsh it of all in all the whole time it took us was 2 min 25 sec I think I cant remember the time perfectly but I know we hold the record for it and we never droped into the yellow on anyone the whole time and whm still had mp to spare. Ls Code on Phoenix Rules
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Quote:
5x Rng/Nin & a Rdm/?
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
Now tass, I know u have played rng dunno if u hit sleep bolts or not but heres the problem...
1 RNG trying to keep 1 mob slept in an exp pt between 30 and 40 can only be slept for at most 5 seconds. It is usually just long enough to get off the next sleep bolt.
The thought of 5 RNGs trying to sleep 8 mobs scares me. The thought of 2 rngs trying to keep ALL of them slept makes me think about running for that ??? b4 I even zone in.
I would say your safest bet for this bcnm (if charmable) would be 3Xbst 2Xrng 1Xrdm
3 bsts can contain 6 damselflys, that leaves 1 each for the RNGs and 1 for the rdm to kite (preferably the NM kite/silence. When the RNGs finish off their mobs your best bet is to have then help the BSTs asap. My LS has done bcnm30 PP countless times and my brother (RDM50) can kite FOREVER lol. By having the RNGs help the BSTs it will help moderate the hate onto them if they lose charm. Also a RNG can solo these mobs with sleep and bloody bolts. Getting the # of flies down fast is the key. The longer this fight goes on, your chances of winning slowly drop.
I would suggest Rolanberry pies and yag drinks for rdm.
Squid Sushi+1 for the RNGs (we can all use 30 extra hp ^^) along with a few pear au laits.
BSTs use tuna sushi for less chance of mischarm and yag drinks. Bring some jug pets just in case.
I am yet to try this setup but it seems to be the most likely to win, the problem is trying to find 3 lvl30 BSTs >.< Good luck to everyone :D and if you try this strategy please post your outcome I would love some feedback on my method.
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Pretty sure Bsts can't charm these beasts untold, that was gonna be one of my setups... 3x Bst/whm 3x Rng/Nin, using even jug pets it could work but once again problem relies on finding 3 bsts, and the reason i chose rangers was because they could kill the main boss quickly which is essential. If the rdm goes in kiting the main boss around with gravity, bind, and silence it is easy, than at the same time sleeping the minions is a problem...but what like everyone has been saying they hit relatively not that hard as long as they are split up and they have bad accuracy. If you can split em up they'll fall apart.
1. Rdm goes in E.S. Silence the Mage.
2. Rngs go in Using sleep bolts on minions
3. since you think a problem would lie in the sleep bolting and time issues why not switch from 2 sleeping and 3 attacking why not 3-4 sleeping and 1-2 attacking... If that is possible than it keeps the numbers down and it keeps things simpler.
4. When the first one is killed more rangers can be added into the killing making it easier and easier as you get further in...
5. Does this improve the outcome with 5x rng/nin & Rdm/blm?
1. Rdm goes in E.S. Silence the Mage.
2. Rngs go in Using sleep bolts on minions
3. since you think a problem would lie in the sleep bolting and time issues why not switch from 2 sleeping and 3 attacking why not 3-4 sleeping and 1-2 attacking... If that is possible than it keeps the numbers down and it keeps things simpler.
4. When the first one is killed more rangers can be added into the killing making it easier and easier as you get further in...
5. Does this improve the outcome with 5x rng/nin & Rdm/blm?
34 posts
Quote:
5x Rng/Nin & a Rdm/?
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
Now tass, I know u have played rng dunno if u hit sleep bolts or not but heres the problem...
1 RNG trying to keep 1 mob slept in an exp pt between 30 and 40 can only be slept for at most 5 seconds. It is usually just long enough to get off the next sleep bolt.
The thought of 5 RNGs trying to sleep 8 mobs scares me. The thought of 2 rngs trying to keep ALL of them slept makes me think about running for that ??? b4 I even zone in.
I would say your safest bet for this bcnm (if charmable) would be 3Xbst 2Xrng 1Xrdm
3 bsts can contain 6 damselflys, that leaves 1 each for the RNGs and 1 for the rdm to kite (preferably the NM kite/silence. When the RNGs finish off their mobs your best bet is to have then help the BSTs asap. My LS has done bcnm30 PP countless times and my brother (RDM50) can kite FOREVER lol. By having the RNGs help the BSTs it will help moderate the hate onto them if they lose charm. Also a RNG can solo these mobs with sleep and bloody bolts. Getting the # of flies down fast is the key. The longer this fight goes on, your chances of winning slowly drop.
I would suggest Rolanberry pies and yag drinks for rdm.
Squid Sushi+1 for the RNGs (we can all use 30 extra hp ^^) along with a few pear au laits.
BSTs use tuna sushi for less chance of mischarm and yag drinks. Bring some jug pets just in case.
I am yet to try this setup but it seems to be the most likely to win, the problem is trying to find 3 lvl30 BSTs >.< Good luck to everyone :D and if you try this strategy please post your outcome I would love some feedback on my method.
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34 posts
Quote:
5x Rng/Nin & a Rdm/?
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
Now tass, I know u have played rng dunno if u hit sleep bolts or not but heres the problem...
1 RNG trying to keep 1 mob slept in an exp pt between 30 and 40 can only be slept for at most 5 seconds. It is usually just long enough to get off the next sleep bolt.
The thought of 5 RNGs trying to sleep 8 mobs scares me. The thought of 2 rngs trying to keep ALL of them slept makes me think about running for that ??? b4 I even zone in.
I would say your safest bet for this bcnm (if charmable) would be 3Xbst 2Xrng 1Xrdm
3 bsts can contain 6 damselflys, that leaves 1 each for the RNGs and 1 for the rdm to kite (preferably the NM kite/silence. When the RNGs finish off their mobs your best bet is to have then help the BSTs asap. My LS has done bcnm30 PP countless times and my brother (RDM50) can kite FOREVER lol. By having the RNGs help the BSTs it will help moderate the hate onto them if they lose charm. Also a RNG can solo these mobs with sleep and bloody bolts. Getting the # of flies down fast is the key. The longer this fight goes on, your chances of winning slowly drop.
I would suggest Rolanberry pies and yag drinks for rdm.
Squid Sushi+1 for the RNGs (we can all use 30 extra hp ^^) along with a few pear au laits.
BSTs use tuna sushi for less chance of mischarm and yag drinks. Bring some jug pets just in case.
I am yet to try this setup but it seems to be the most likely to win, the problem is trying to find 3 lvl30 BSTs >.< Good luck to everyone :D and if you try this strategy please post your outcome I would love some feedback on my method.
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5x Rng/Nin & a Rdm/?
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
34 posts
Quote:
5x Rng/Nin & a Rdm/?
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
My suggestion to this BCNM is kinda tricky but I think I have it all worked out... (comment if you think you could find some flaws or if it is good or what not). My plan requires no 2hr's unless you want to do so, and doesn't require death or any thing too expensive that isn't worth the outcome. What you do is you go in with 5 rng/nin's and a rdm/? (i'm going to have a rdm/blm)... First Rdm goes in and tries to silence the main fly (bind blind paralyze slow do whatever to keep it annoyed and keep it enfeebled... gravity should help too), while the ninjas go in at the same time using sleep bolts, sleeping the minions till all of them are slept (this requires some team work). Than when all the flies are slept 3 rng's help the rdm kill the main boss while the other 2 stand on sleep duty (sleeping the little dudes incase they wake up) when the rdm's and rngs finish the main one (shouldn't be too hard with 3 rngs barrage with holy bolts or a gun or something) attack the minions one by one (occasionally change rngs jobs from sleep duty to attacking for barrage). So requirements... Rng = Bloody bolts, Sleep bolts (x depending on job), holy bolts (x depending on job), and maybe two high potions or a pamama au lait or something, + sushi or cheap evasion food like a jack o' lantern. Rdm = either cookies or pies and maybe 2 yag drinks unless you want to rest.
Edited, Wed Nov 23 09:19:25 2005
Now tass, I know u have played rng dunno if u hit sleep bolts or not but heres the problem...
1 RNG trying to keep 1 mob slept in an exp pt between 30 and 40 can only be slept for at most 5 seconds. It is usually just long enough to get off the next sleep bolt.
The thought of 5 RNGs trying to sleep 8 mobs scares me. The thought of 2 rngs trying to keep ALL of them slept makes me think about running for that ??? b4 I even zone in.
I would say your safest bet for this bcnm (if charmable) would be 3Xbst 2Xrng 1Xrdm
3 bsts can contain 6 damselflys, that leaves 1 each for the RNGs and 1 for the rdm to kite (preferably the NM kite/silence. When the RNGs finish off their mobs your best bet is to have then help the BSTs asap. My LS has done bcnm30 PP countless times and my brother (RDM50) can kite FOREVER lol. By having the RNGs help the BSTs it will help moderate the hate onto them if they lose charm. Also a RNG can solo these mobs with sleep and bloody bolts. Getting the # of flies down fast is the key. The longer this fight goes on, your chances of winning slowly drop.
I would suggest Rolanberry pies and yag drinks for rdm.
Squid Sushi+1 for the RNGs (we can all use 30 extra hp ^^) along with a few pear au laits.
BSTs use tuna sushi for less chance of mischarm and yag drinks. Bring some jug pets just in case.
I am yet to try this setup but it seems to be the most likely to win, the problem is trying to find 3 lvl30 BSTs >.< Good luck to everyone :D and if you try this strategy please post your outcome I would love some feedback on my method.
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I have read all the post about this BCNM and most of u say the same thing 6 smn's but not many people have said different party setups that win. it has to be possible because im on Lakshmi and most of the time there is min of 6 emp pins in AH at 3.5 mil and going up even tho some of them might just be people selling it cause they Empress pin but still i want this if any1 on lakshmi knows a way 2 do it w/o using a hole heep of 2hours send Bigmonkey a /tell plz
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4 posts
Well, just got done last night with this one. I can say that it wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. So of course, rolling in cocky on the first one. The time to beat was 3 mins , by 4 smn Needless to say we finished it in about 30 secs, face down dead outside the bcnm.(owned like never before).
Party set-up was as follows:
whm/blm
blm/rdm 28
smn/whm
smn/whm
war/nin
brd/?
So, I was leader trying to think outside the box a little.(oh well) Just finished up about 10 runs to worms turn, so I thought what the heck lets do it like that one. The plan was to have bard sleep the whole bunch of them, because blm doesn't have sleepga at 30. The war would pull main mob out, and we would all keeel it. If that didn't work, back-up plan was to ES sleep the main one and kill the babies.
Here is where it got fun!? As we were buffing up doing a little yag drink trading and stuff, the war decides to run into the flies by himself. I was still at the zone kneeling for mp. I see the bard yell "wait", but too late. Then I see "I can't sleep them." About 3 secs later War was dead, 3 secs after that Brd was dead, and so on. By the time the flies got to me, I felt like a small boy at Neverland Ranch with a door locked from the outside. I knew what was coming and I couldn't get out. 6 people x 3 secs = roughly 18 secs til entire party was taking dirt naps. After the 3min kick out. We all decided lets do it again.(Can't go as bad as the last time right?) Right.... Everyone gets raise, rests up, and Dear God, here we go again.
So, 2nd tme in, same start.
Buffs, food, etc.
Since we tried to do fight without using smn 2hr, we changed our minds. We only had 1 orb left anyways so we did exactly what was posted here. But with the same party we already had.
Smns used shiva, 2hr, war pulled all flies to us, both smn did diamond dust twice. All the baby flies died, but one (had 1%) left. Main fly was under 50%, couple hits from the war, 2 or 3 nukes from the blm and that was it. Grabbed the booty and was out.
Dropped:
elm log
insect wing
mannequin head
wrestler's aspis
something else.
Have fun!
Edited, Sat Nov 19 14:17:23 2005
Party set-up was as follows:
whm/blm
blm/rdm 28
smn/whm
smn/whm
war/nin
brd/?
So, I was leader trying to think outside the box a little.(oh well) Just finished up about 10 runs to worms turn, so I thought what the heck lets do it like that one. The plan was to have bard sleep the whole bunch of them, because blm doesn't have sleepga at 30. The war would pull main mob out, and we would all keeel it. If that didn't work, back-up plan was to ES sleep the main one and kill the babies.
Here is where it got fun!? As we were buffing up doing a little yag drink trading and stuff, the war decides to run into the flies by himself. I was still at the zone kneeling for mp. I see the bard yell "wait", but too late. Then I see "I can't sleep them." About 3 secs later War was dead, 3 secs after that Brd was dead, and so on. By the time the flies got to me, I felt like a small boy at Neverland Ranch with a door locked from the outside. I knew what was coming and I couldn't get out. 6 people x 3 secs = roughly 18 secs til entire party was taking dirt naps. After the 3min kick out. We all decided lets do it again.(Can't go as bad as the last time right?) Right.... Everyone gets raise, rests up, and Dear God, here we go again.
So, 2nd tme in, same start.
Buffs, food, etc.
Since we tried to do fight without using smn 2hr, we changed our minds. We only had 1 orb left anyways so we did exactly what was posted here. But with the same party we already had.
Smns used shiva, 2hr, war pulled all flies to us, both smn did diamond dust twice. All the baby flies died, but one (had 1%) left. Main fly was under 50%, couple hits from the war, 2 or 3 nukes from the blm and that was it. Grabbed the booty and was out.
Dropped:
elm log
insect wing
mannequin head
wrestler's aspis
something else.
Have fun!
Edited, Sat Nov 19 14:17:23 2005
a good idea would be to do smnx2 and pld or thf
blmx1 (41+ for d2)then 2 other ppl who can be whatever. once that set is dead then the ppl who didn't two hour change to smnx2 and pld/thf and the others change to other jobs one person being blm for d2 after fight. this cuts things down from 12 hours to 6. of course that implies you have smn or pld at 30 and then something else but since to earn pld and smn you do need something else at 30 you should be ok. finding 2 blm at 41+ that has smn at 30+ isn't too hard either. gonna try this soon with my ls see if we can win/get it done in 6 hours. also what is drop rate on emp hair pin?
blmx1 (41+ for d2)then 2 other ppl who can be whatever. once that set is dead then the ppl who didn't two hour change to smnx2 and pld/thf and the others change to other jobs one person being blm for d2 after fight. this cuts things down from 12 hours to 6. of course that implies you have smn or pld at 30 and then something else but since to earn pld and smn you do need something else at 30 you should be ok. finding 2 blm at 41+ that has smn at 30+ isn't too hard either. gonna try this soon with my ls see if we can win/get it done in 6 hours. also what is drop rate on emp hair pin?
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Ok well i asked a few LS members to help me and surprisingly we had a Pt's worth of ppl just hangin around so you know =P
PT Setup: (5 members)
x2 SMN/WHM
x1 PLD/WAR (THF/WAR can work)
x1 WHM/BLM
x1 BLM/WHM
Items:
Sky Orb (Lv 30 orb- obviously =P)
SMN's should have a Yagudo drink each... and a hi-ether or 2 ethers for safe keeping just incase(we didnt need)
Possibly a yag drink for whm and blm if they are MP hungry
Tank food optional, i dont think ours used any
*Note* all players should have thier 2hr's ready inorder for this strat to work ^^;
1. go in buff up... (Protectra, shellra, baraera, aquaveil(if u have))
2. SMN's summon Shiva (preferably not on fireday ... we did on Lightsday by coinsidence)
3. all run up to the edge of the arena, allow PLD or THF to lead.
4. SMN's use Astral Flow and pop the Yagudo drink.
5. PLD or THF Provokes the main fly (huntfly i think?)
6. Once all flys are linked to him, he uses Invincible or Perf Dodge.
7. SMN's tell shivas to assault the main huntfly and Diamond Dust onto the main fly (AOE will hit others)- with 2 smns, all baby flys dropped after both summons used Diamond dust one time.
8. continue fighting until the main fly is dead.(he had about 2/3 or 1/2 HP left after initial Astral flows.)
9. Pop ur ethers if u feel necissary.
10. Victory {Too Weak.}
*Note* The BLM didnt do much except Firaga and Aeroga after the initial Astral flows were used... he came along as more of a saftey thing ^^;
unfortunately we didnt get the pin to drop but got mannequin head, which i gave to someone else who wanted... was fun tho... be careful for lag ^^;
Rate up if this helps plz ^-^)b
Good luck~
PT Setup: (5 members)
x2 SMN/WHM
x1 PLD/WAR (THF/WAR can work)
x1 WHM/BLM
x1 BLM/WHM
Items:
Sky Orb (Lv 30 orb- obviously =P)
SMN's should have a Yagudo drink each... and a hi-ether or 2 ethers for safe keeping just incase(we didnt need)
Possibly a yag drink for whm and blm if they are MP hungry
Tank food optional, i dont think ours used any
*Note* all players should have thier 2hr's ready inorder for this strat to work ^^;
1. go in buff up... (Protectra, shellra, baraera, aquaveil(if u have))
2. SMN's summon Shiva (preferably not on fireday ... we did on Lightsday by coinsidence)
3. all run up to the edge of the arena, allow PLD or THF to lead.
4. SMN's use Astral Flow and pop the Yagudo drink.
5. PLD or THF Provokes the main fly (huntfly i think?)
6. Once all flys are linked to him, he uses Invincible or Perf Dodge.
7. SMN's tell shivas to assault the main huntfly and Diamond Dust onto the main fly (AOE will hit others)- with 2 smns, all baby flys dropped after both summons used Diamond dust one time.
8. continue fighting until the main fly is dead.(he had about 2/3 or 1/2 HP left after initial Astral flows.)
9. Pop ur ethers if u feel necissary.
10. Victory {Too Weak.}
*Note* The BLM didnt do much except Firaga and Aeroga after the initial Astral flows were used... he came along as more of a saftey thing ^^;
unfortunately we didnt get the pin to drop but got mannequin head, which i gave to someone else who wanted... was fun tho... be careful for lag ^^;
Rate up if this helps plz ^-^)b
Good luck~
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75RDM BLM SMN THF NIN SAM (Soon to be 75BST)
Rank: San d'Oria 10 ^-^)b
Linkshells: FunwithJugs, MoneyTalks
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Anyone ever tried this with 6 blm? I don't know how much Firaga does damage, but doing 100-200 would make the small flies die, leaving the leader one alive... And if it's sleepable, this shouldn't be that hard.
I was just thinking, treat this like a Steamed Sprouts BCNM (the mandy one) but have the DD use this item:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=3023
Some people said that bard have a hard time sleeping them? Is this good enuf?:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?109077
Dont forget, i can add +7 more CHR with Etude (with Rose Harp +1) and another 4 CHR +4 VIT (to cancel out singa VIT-) with food. Thats 60 Total CHR, and if I switch to Kingdom Horn instead of Mary's Horn, 63 CHR.
Edited, Thu Nov 10 21:59:51 2005
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=3023
Some people said that bard have a hard time sleeping them? Is this good enuf?:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?109077
Dont forget, i can add +7 more CHR with Etude (with Rose Harp +1) and another 4 CHR +4 VIT (to cancel out singa VIT-) with food. Thats 60 Total CHR, and if I switch to Kingdom Horn instead of Mary's Horn, 63 CHR.
Edited, Thu Nov 10 21:59:51 2005
This works the same wway with the ENM that drops jaeger ring or w/e its calls
75MNK 75NIN 75SMN
You learn from your mistakes and your mistakes learn from you.
You learn from your mistakes and your mistakes learn from you.
I've never done this BC, but I think I know how to win without some rediculous plan using a bunch of 2hrs, only thing is, someone is going to die...
Sac-pull the NM, plain and simple (For those of you who've never done Dynamis, Sac-pulling is where one person aggroes a bunch of mobs including one target mob, one member of the PT then Provokes the Target mob off of the Sac-puller while the pullers runs in the opposite way and dies in a corner somewhere)
To do a succesful sac-pull, you need one member that can stay alive for just long enough to get the target mob seperated from the rest so that they don't link when the target is pulled. In dynamis, you generally have a very large area to go through with usually 20-30+ mobs to train, and so the only jobs that can really survive long enough to even GET to the mob are PLDs and THFs with 2hr, and while those 2 jobs could do that easily enough in this BCNM, that would still be one BCNM every 2 hours unless you cycled out PLDs and THFs which would throw the loot share way the hell off. However, since you only have 9 mobs to deal with, I'm fairly sure that one Mage with Blink and Stoneskin and a decent DEF build could pull it off long enough to get the NM pulled. And since only one Mage has Stoneskin at this lvl, you'll need a WHM, I think after that, you just want members that can take one fly each solo including at least a couple that can sleep (RDM/NIN anyone?)
So we have WHM, RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN, and then any other 2 jobs that can solo (Probably something/NIN)
Edited, Thu Oct 20 11:26:32 2005
Sac-pull the NM, plain and simple (For those of you who've never done Dynamis, Sac-pulling is where one person aggroes a bunch of mobs including one target mob, one member of the PT then Provokes the Target mob off of the Sac-puller while the pullers runs in the opposite way and dies in a corner somewhere)
To do a succesful sac-pull, you need one member that can stay alive for just long enough to get the target mob seperated from the rest so that they don't link when the target is pulled. In dynamis, you generally have a very large area to go through with usually 20-30+ mobs to train, and so the only jobs that can really survive long enough to even GET to the mob are PLDs and THFs with 2hr, and while those 2 jobs could do that easily enough in this BCNM, that would still be one BCNM every 2 hours unless you cycled out PLDs and THFs which would throw the loot share way the hell off. However, since you only have 9 mobs to deal with, I'm fairly sure that one Mage with Blink and Stoneskin and a decent DEF build could pull it off long enough to get the NM pulled. And since only one Mage has Stoneskin at this lvl, you'll need a WHM, I think after that, you just want members that can take one fly each solo including at least a couple that can sleep (RDM/NIN anyone?)
So we have WHM, RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN, and then any other 2 jobs that can solo (Probably something/NIN)
Edited, Thu Oct 20 11:26:32 2005
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The simplest way to do this BCNM is to bring two Summoners and either a Paladin or Thief. The flies don't hit particularly hard, but the sheer amount of hits will drop a tank fairly quickly. The basic strategy is to buff up with Aerial Armor, Protectra, etc. and wait for the Blood Pact timer to cool down. SMNs should bring a single Yagudo Drink and Hi-Ether per attempt. When ready, the SMN should both summon Shiva and activate Astral Flow while the THF/PLD uses their 2HR and runs in, aggroing all the flies and grouping them together. The Huntfly will cast various wind-based spells, but nothing to worry about. After all the flies are grouped, the SMNs should both use Diamond Dust on the Huntfly. The Huntfly will still be alive at the end, but is easily killed with another volley of Diamond Dusts.
Some things to note:
*The Houndflies are not charmable. Throwing six BSTs at this BCNM won't be an easy win.
*Each Houndfly has roughly 600-700HP, not the rumored 150-200HP. Diamond Dust hits for approximately 480 on neutral days and takes off about two-thirds of their HP.
*I'm fairly sure that the Huntfly does not cast Aeroga. So far, it's only cast Aero and Choke.
All an all, it's an easy win every two hours. Mannequin Heads drop 100% of the time, which sell for a decent amount of gil. My group is up to 3/3 with THF and two SMN, with our best time being 3:18. I tried this once with 3BST and a SMN, but we were crushed because we couldn't finish off flies fast enough.
Good luck to all the Hairpin seekers out there. ^_^
Edited, Wed Oct 12 21:35:20 2005
Some things to note:
*The Houndflies are not charmable. Throwing six BSTs at this BCNM won't be an easy win.
*Each Houndfly has roughly 600-700HP, not the rumored 150-200HP. Diamond Dust hits for approximately 480 on neutral days and takes off about two-thirds of their HP.
*I'm fairly sure that the Huntfly does not cast Aeroga. So far, it's only cast Aero and Choke.
All an all, it's an easy win every two hours. Mannequin Heads drop 100% of the time, which sell for a decent amount of gil. My group is up to 3/3 with THF and two SMN, with our best time being 3:18. I tried this once with 3BST and a SMN, but we were crushed because we couldn't finish off flies fast enough.
Good luck to all the Hairpin seekers out there. ^_^
Edited, Wed Oct 12 21:35:20 2005
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Would this set of jobs and this strategy work?
Have 4 Blm/Whm and 2 Nin/Thf
At the start have the blms use elemental seal. Then wait 9 minutes. Then go and sleep 4 of the flies and once the elemental seal ability resets use it again and sleep the other 4 flies.
A minute before attacking the flies the two Nin/Thf use Sneak Attack. They go in, use it on the Huntfly and land both their Sneak Attack and then use it again once it resets. This is all happening at once. Once all the hound flies are all asleep, then the blms assist the ninjas in killing the HuntFly. Once the Huntfly is dead start killing the houndflies one by one since hopefully all of them are still asleep.
Have 4 Blm/Whm and 2 Nin/Thf
At the start have the blms use elemental seal. Then wait 9 minutes. Then go and sleep 4 of the flies and once the elemental seal ability resets use it again and sleep the other 4 flies.
A minute before attacking the flies the two Nin/Thf use Sneak Attack. They go in, use it on the Huntfly and land both their Sneak Attack and then use it again once it resets. This is all happening at once. Once all the hound flies are all asleep, then the blms assist the ninjas in killing the HuntFly. Once the Huntfly is dead start killing the houndflies one by one since hopefully all of them are still asleep.
No, Elemental Seal wears off after about 1.5 minutes, you can't carry it around for 9 minutes.
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Ok i agree with the Kryptonite dude that u shouldnt have to have all 6 ppl use 2 hours for 1 bcnm fight unless you are only doing it once and no one else has an orb. This is a good BCNM to do if you can figure out a way to win. As of yet no one has comfirmed that BST's can charm these, and no one has given us a decent way to win. (6 SMN 2 hours is a little extreme) The mobs highly resist BRD lullaby, and sleepga is a lvl 31 spell so it cant be used. However Sleep from a BLM or RDM will stick. Gravity and bind also work. Problem is there are 9 mobs and no way to pull one at a time. My opinion is this could be done with NIN/WAR, WAR/NIN, THF/NIN, WHM/BLM, RDM/???, BLM/WHM... THF/NIN runs in grabs aggro and uses flee, the pty grabs the NM and kills it as quick as possible. If THF starts to get in trouble they can Perfect Dodge and put utsusemi back up and they should last long enough for the NM to die. BLM and RDM sleep 2 of the remaining 8 flies, RDM gravity's and binds another 2 and kites them until sleep timer is up, nin and war solo 2, and thf continues to kite last 2. I will try this BCNM soon, but I am not going to go with just anyone. Once I gather some good friends we will test this out.
If you think of saving your own life, you'd better not go to war at all.
let me shed some light here. i did this with 5 smn 1 rng. 2 smn and the rng died like at the start. so i think 3 smn can handle this.
if you do 3 smn all you need is 2 high eathers and yag drink each.
i used 1 hi eather and pinaple juce and my timer was up for the 3 rd round of dimand dust as it went down. i jsut needed a bit more mp for it
Edited, Thu Sep 29 18:01:27 2005
if you do 3 smn all you need is 2 high eathers and yag drink each.
i used 1 hi eather and pinaple juce and my timer was up for the 3 rd round of dimand dust as it went down. i jsut needed a bit more mp for it
Edited, Thu Sep 29 18:01:27 2005
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I've read all the post and no one seems to know how to kill all the flys. We're not sure if the flies can be charmed. BRD have a hard time sleeping if they can. BLM sleepga is to high for the BC. Other than 6 SMN 2 hour and use good ethers and yagdrinks I'm not sure of how this will work.
I could see this being done with 6 BSTs easily. Charm 6 of the flies, 2 BSTs have their flies take out the other two flies, they can help if they want to speed things up, while the other 4 BSTs and their pets attack the main fly. WHM sub would be best because of AoE
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is why when i cannot buy potion i am eat a vile elixir for 13 HELTH POINT !!?!
would be nice if it were actually possible to charm them.
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If any other beastmasters on Sylph would like to team up on this get ahold of my main character Darklight. I am interested in trying this one. I have done the BCNM 20 for astral rings many times.
flys aret sound aggro so send in carby and release him. the one u sent hit to attack will come back to the pt that is waiting for them.. kill them one by one >.>. this will only work if they arent true sight
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has this been confirmed at all?
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Fenrir // Game name: Mashu // LS: Magitek // Dynamis: SCL
jobs:
Nin(main): 75 // War(sub): 37 // Drk(sub): 37 // Brd(sub): 37
Blm(next): 43 // Whm(sub): 21
Drk(second): 75 // Thf(sub): 37
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I did this BCNM just recently. We were raped!!
Carby death pull does not work.
At first I thought it was because our SMN attacked the Huntfly, but as we did it the second time and Carby death pulled a Houndfly, the whole calvery of flys came at us again.
That's my two cents, if anyone has a miracle to this BCNM, <Can I have it?>
Carby death pull does not work.
At first I thought it was because our SMN attacked the Huntfly, but as we did it the second time and Carby death pulled a Houndfly, the whole calvery of flys came at us again.
That's my two cents, if anyone has a miracle to this BCNM, <Can I have it?>
quite a few of the bcnm's are like this and makes it tough for smn to even be worthwhile. Rather than having hate for the avatar upon link, the mobs will go for the smn that casted and is commanding that avatar. The only way to counter this would be to nail all the mobs in a Astral Flow BP, or perhaps thunderspark. But I'm pretty sure they'll all come after the smn once the avatar dies. ; ;
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ive never been to this place or heard of it but i wanna try this bcnm sometime with my ls. can anyone tell me where to go to get there i don't have CoP so do i need that?
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Its an area off of Yughtto Grotto
West Ronfaura---> Ghelsba Outpost / Fort Ghelsba---> Yughott Grotto---> Holairis Peak
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I bet 6 BST could do this the same way we do the Steamed Sprouts BCNM 40. Charm flies, make em all fight each other. Everyone goes BST/WHM to cure themselves... alls well.
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I've heard it said that the flies can be slept with blm sleepga, but brd lullaby is useless on them. Just like the worms BCNM. If anyone wants to try that, be my guest and let me know how it turns out.
Sleepga is 31. Whoever said you can sleepga mobs in a BCNM 30 is a retard.
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