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Dropping Like Flies  

Realm:Jeuno
Start Area: Horlais Peak
Start NPC:Shami (H - 8)
Type:BCNM
Max Party:6
Related Mobs:Houndfly
Huntfly
Min Level:30
Max Level:30
Rating
*****
(Average from 4 ratings)
Items Required:Sky Orb
Items Granted:Ashigaru Targe
Beater's Aspis
Emperor Hairpin
Mannequin Body
Mannequin Head
Mercenary Mantle
Onyx
Scroll of Dispel
Scroll of Erase
Scroll: Magic Finale
Singer's Mantle
Varlet's Targe
Wizard's Mantle
Wrestler's Aspis
Wyvern Mantle
This Quest is Repeatable
Last Updated: Thu Aug 20 00:58:37 2009

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Battle Notes

In order to enter the battlefield you will need to bring a Sky Orb, which is obtained by trading 30 Beastmen's Seals to Shami at (H-8) in Port Jeuno. When you are ready, trade the Sky Orb to the Burning Circle inside Horlais Peak and choose to enter the battle Dropping Like Flies.

Up to 6 people may enter and you will all receive a level 30 restriction. You have 30 minutes to win. You will fight a total of 9 flies: one Huntfly and 8 Houndflies.

Strategies

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6 Smn with no 2hrs win
# Sep 10 2007 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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We over kill it, no need for any 2 hours. 6 summoners summon and use AOE move. We did it until it is dead. 6 tar summoners is the bomb. Most time we spend a full day camping the hairpin.
Remora
# Jun 01 2007 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I´m here cause I need some help for this BCNM at server REMORA. I don´t find anyone who wants so....
Please pm me if you can help or want the Emperor hairpin.I have all this weekend to do this bcnm. please send me your job and time you can do, and if u find me online please /t me. I can go many times if it necessary...

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Way beyond 6 man smn 2 hour
# Apr 12 2007 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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as i understand it there are 9 flys where one is NM rest have 600 - 700 hp.
Either way u would need a tough tank to do this, most likely pld or thf doing flee.
My thought was if PLD use an unusual sub like blm too get Blaze spike effect to keep hateon him and buy time for DD's.

Could one have 3 x rng doing barrage on fly's around dropping 2 of them fast ( must use sharpshoot to make sure u hit with full dmg )
Question would be does the flys link on new attackers or will they remain on tank since they hit Ice spikes and got dmg by pld.
id recomend brd/whm too keep acc up on rng's and posibly a paon do regen their hp as it goes down, hopefully they have /nin and can utsusemi evry 30 sec's.
Whm would also backup heal pld.
as for 6th member id use a blu/blm ( use def food ) and have him tank with pld and get down NM, he would also use Blaze spikes. ( if only Ice spikes where level 15 blm >.< )

Most rng/nin with god acc can drop about 200+ dmg on a full hit barrage with some atck food, ws when tp full just like u would do Royale jelly with Drg's. once u get more of them down pld and blu would have less dmg too worry about, im sure if Blu equips Aoe spells he could take of hat from pld as he gets low.

This setup would of course require a lot of Hi pot's, yags,Pam am drink and hi ethers for blu & pld, brd/whm would use Yags posibly hi ethers if needed, Rng's would use acc food unless they sure their gear is so good they can hit full barrage with R.atck food ( Dhalmal pie, no need to waste money on 3 hour food incase u die) and of course 2 pam am's just too be sure.

Brd/whm job would be key to keeping all alive as brd can go over to pld & blu and cast his highest paons for regen to add on pam am drink + mp regen song.

Im sure u could do this with sevral Blu/blm with def food + pld tank or even go drg/war x 3 pld/blm x 2 if u bring a brd too keep things smooth and keep away from using 2 hours, it's all about hate control here and keeping ur tanks alive long enough. as some Fly's die dmg will lessen on pld & blu.
U could probably use any DD job as the 3 downing fly's around but killing them as fast as posible is the key in such a setup.

Im interested in trying this, i play rng a lot on Cop missions for LS and i love Brd's in tough fights, bolts rock for fast kills, gun for heavy dmg( usally switch too gun for barrage or to use stun bullets)
I just started levling Blu and got mine to 20 with all but 2 spells missing to 20, and i think with Stun attack & sevral other strong vs Fly spells Blu could knel down the NM and keep dmg low on himself with pld.

Flame me if u think it sucks ^^, i dont care but i think u can win without doing smn 3x 2 hours + pld 2 hour.
Solo Attempts
# Apr 02 2007 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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1st try - mistakenly thought the Huntfly was closest, when in fact he's right in the middle of the other 8. Got too close, everything aggrod, and that was that.

2nd try - On lightningday with Galka SMN, no equip at all.
Used RR scroll, drank a Yagudo, and sent Shiva against the closest Houndfly. They all swarmed her, and I hit 2hr/Diamond Dust. Houndflies took @ 480 each, Huntfly took 386. Flies killed Shiva and me.
Waited for flies to retreat back to BC and reraised myself. Used a hi-ether and another yag drink - had just enough mp for Diamond Dust while weakened.

Called Shiva, hit them all with 2hr again. Houndflies took another 480, Huntfly took 198 this time (50% resist). No flies died, killed Shiva, killed me.
It was here I realized I hadn't used another RR item, although I had been expecting 2 Diamond Dusts to kill the 8 flies. Silly Galka....but FFxiclopedia said 2 would do it.

3rd try - Haven't yet. I'm not sure now whether 3 Flow's will kill the 8 little ones, and also not sure there's enough time to 2hr 3x while dying and reraising. It's close.

Also, Shiva seemed to have about 200 hitpoints. With all 9 flies up, she lasted just 2 attack rounds. With just the Huntfly left, doing about 31 per normal hit, she'd last 7 rounds at the most. Dunno if this will be enough to kite long enough to finish the last one off, especially while weakened.

I'm not even sure if Duoing it with another SMN is viable - since the first wave of AF won't kill the 8 Houndflies, they're likely going to kill both SMN before AF is back up. If the 2nd wave does kill them, you'll still be trying to fight the Huntfly while weakened, or trying to finish it in a hurry after letting weakness wear off.

EDIT - Forgot the time limit is 30 minutes, not 15. So, it still *might* be possible, if it's worth 4 deaths to do it. :p






Edited, Apr 3rd 2007 1:20am by Turnerbrown
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what not to do
# Feb 16 2007 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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omg... i just did this as 10 mins ago and bombed badly. heres the story

set up was like this-
2 plds
2 smns
1 war
1 blm

we get to the bcnm place and we're all ready so we go in, everyone gets buffs and run towards the 8-9 flys(cant remember how many) we all get up to were we can't get aggroed and wait for everyone to get full mp and hp. so we we're all ready to go so the smns summon shiva and get ready to 2 hour when all of asudden all the flies aggro 1 of the smns because he went a little to far up(btw he was a taru so he died super fast) then we all paniced and the other smn 2 hours and uses diamond dust before the pld could 2 hour so then shiva dies pretty fast. so now our 2 smns are dead then the first pld 2 hours at about 100 hp then once his 2 hour was gone he died then the rest of us died....

so basicly just SOME advice DON'T GO FORWARD ON ACCIDENT

btw my spelling sucks so please dont get pissed >.>

whm strat
# Feb 11 2007 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
Is there a way to do this bcnm with a whm?
Got the hairpin
# Jan 23 2007 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Did this both last nite and this evening. Got hairpin twice. Set up on mon. was war/nin, pld/war, smn/whm, smn/blm, drg/war, and me as thf/nin. got the head and the hairpin as well as the singer's mantle. This evening did it with only 2 smns, pld, and me as nin thf again. Not only did we set a new record, but we got 1k gil the hairpin & head again, plus we got both wrestler's aspis and wyvvern mantle. The idea is that thf is there to provide TH1 to give a slightly increase of getting the drops and it worx too. BEst part is we splitting the profits by 4 and with hairpin selling for 1mil thats 250k a piece. SPLEEEEEE! yes i said splee so sue me.

Edited, Jan 24th 2007 1:50am by Turroe
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the only setup
# Jan 20 2007 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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ok for everyone who wants to know the perfect setup its 1 pld 2x smn. easiest bcnm ever. pld goes in agros all fly and 2hrs. 2 smn astral flow diamond dust x2 all but main fly is dead. then just have pld cure himself till second 2 diamond dusts are ready and the main one should be dead. if not just hope u can stay alive long enough for a ws or another diamond dust.
Not to Hard
# Nov 14 2006 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is my experience with this one. A LS member wanted to try it out for the hairpin. We couldn't gather up enough people so we decided to just try it with 4 people. Setup was Pld/War (Me), Blu/War, 2xSmn/Whm. We figured we might as well try to sleep them with Blue Mage's two AOE sleep.

Prep was nothing special, I had a yag drink, and one of the Smns brought ethers and a yag drink, the ethers turned out not to be necessary.

The battle plan was to buff up, and then for me to run in and provoke the main fly getting aggro from the rest before popping Invincible. The Smns then popped Astral Flow with Shiva and with the first round of AF's, the houndflies were dead. That left just the Huntfly, we could not get it to be slept so I am assuming that the rest can not be slept by Blu spells either (Soporific and Sheep Song), much like the resistance to lullaby and sleep. The fight went really smoothly, and in the end the total AF count was 5 to bring down the Huntfly. So 3 rounds. The Blu was probably unnecessary, so all you really need is a Pld and 2 Smns.

We did not get the Hairpin, just a shield, mannequin head, and a couple of other things. But for all those looking to do this, it is not that hard with a couple of Smn's and a Pld. You don't need any really expensive prep, just a yag drink for the Pld and the Smn's if you feel like it really. Even with Galka Mp I was able to keep myself alive with minimal help for the 2 min that I was left without invincible. So good luck, and just to reiterate, you don't need expensive things such as icarus wing or high-ethers etc...just a couple of people who know what they are doing and the ability to use 2 hr's.
SMN power!!!
# Oct 28 2006 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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The trick lies on AoE spells.
And what better AoE than SMN 2h?

At least 2 or 3 SMN and a THF or PLD is enough to beat this.
Just get the THF or PLD get all the hate and use 2h and then use SMN 2h to nuke the flies.
In a matter of seconds it's all over.

Only problem is of course you can only do this every 2 Hour.
But at least it doesn't require getting a full pt.

P.S: instead of SMN, if you get a whole army of BLM plus THF or PLD, and make them cast Wind or Thunder AoE. It might work the same, but never tried though.
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Strategy without 2hr
# Oct 20 2006 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Setup 2 SMN/WHM, WHM/BLM, BLM/RDM, THF/NIN, PLD/WAR.... after u do it once and have SMN's 2hr if you want to try it again maybe this setup will work, THF enters and grabs flys uses flee, 2 SMNS uses Ramuh thunderspark, which does decent damage and paralyzes the flys, while PLD tanks main fly. Once SMN's use thunderspark BLM AOE the rest... if possible maybe have 2 BLM instead of 1 THF, but PLD would then need to 2hr or be healed immensly by WHM. But anyway if BLM AOE can finish off the houndflys then u can focus on main fly, its risky and may take a few ethers and pots, but i know its possible.
Strategy without 2hr
# Oct 22 2006 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I got a video to this strategy it works but some people die
Drop rate....
# Oct 01 2006 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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0/8 on the pin .......
pld 2smns and whm = easy
if the pld has a yag drink could easaly be done with just 2 smns and pld

THE DROP RATE FOR THIS THING SUCKS dont get fooled by all the fairy tale storys for ppl getting drop first try 4/8 of the batles were on full moon.....
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Drop rate....
# Oct 01 2006 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Mine wasnt a fairy tale, but try bringing a THF for TH... I can guarentee I'm 1/1 on the Emp Pin.

Good luck in future attempts.
Much tougher than expected
# Sep 03 2006 at 4:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I was reading a few posts here and I decided to give this one a try.

I went with SMN/SMN/SMN/THF/PLD/SAM(me).

We only did one orb, my own and I promised if I hit Emp Pin I would give them all 100k each.

We go in, the THF runs up gets all mobs around him then uses Perfect Dodge. The first SMN uses Shiva - Diamond Dust, which brings all non NM Flies to 40-50% health. Then the group goes up and rapes 2 SMNs and the THF out of no where. The PLD vokes the NM fly and he keeps that one on him until the last SMN can get a Diamond Dust off. The last SMN eventually get it off and all but one non NM and the NM are alive (non NM at about 2% health) so I solo the non NM from there.

It was looking very scary when all the mobs were alive and 3 of us were. But now it was 3 of us vs the NM (SMN/PLD/SAM). I was REALLY amazed to see how quick the NM killed the PLD. While the SMN was getting MP to Diamond Dust again I, the SAM/WAR had to tank. And for some reason I did better than the PLD, he got me down to about 75% HP before the SMN could get off a Diamond Dust which brought the NM to about 15%. I still had hate even though the SMN did 2 Diamond Dusts to it. I thought for sure I was dead because I needed him to get MP for a third Diamon Dust. Surprisingly the NM only did about 25% more damage to me by the he had Diamond Dust ready. He used Diamond and him and I survived.

I run up to chest so quick it's not even funny, because I only had 60k going into the BCNM and I really needed money.

My drops (Midgard server prices):
Insect Wing (500 gil)
Onyx (1000 gil)
Wizard's Mantle (70k)
Wrestler's Targe (100k)
Mannequin Head (250k)
EMPORER HAIRPIN (2 mil)

I couldn't have been happier with the drops. I was very amazed, I thought this would go so smooth it would be too easy but when the group went up to the SMNs and whiped em out before they could barely Diamond Dust I thought for sure we were dead. Amazingly I tanked and the last SMN knew what he was doing really well.

Very fun, Im sure after experience it will be easier next time.
Soporific
# Aug 20 2006 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone check to see if Blue Magic > Soporific will stick on these things? That would make setups that dont involve summoners and 2 hours feasible.
XD.. Need something cleared up item wise
# Jun 18 2006 at 7:11 PM Rating: Default
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....ok as you soon will be able to tell... i have not done many bcnms... so imma cut to the chase^^... ok how are the items split... but first apparently you cannot do this bcnm more than once back to back cuz... well everbody just 2hr'd... so now you must wait for two hr to come back up... and that would mean that the orb user gets all the drops meaning no one else gets ne goodies... in turn making it hard to get ppl to wanna do..... right??????
XD.. Need something cleared up item wise
# Jul 17 2006 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Most people have the distribution of drops pre determined in cases like this one. My LS does this BCNM alot and we lot for all drops, although we dont allow anyone to lot on any other items if they win the lot on Emporer's Hairpin. Hope that cleared it up for you a bit.
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oww...
# May 24 2006 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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so I grew impatient of trying to get smn's together for this and figured I'd try it out on my own so when I do go w/ smn's, I know how the flies will behave with my avatars. However, it didn't work quite as I had planned.

I ran in, casted shiva, took my yag drink and went to assault the Huntfly. Sadly, before I was in Assault range of the Huntfly, I was in agro range of the front most Houndfly. Needless to say, I got agro'd and linked all the flies before I could command assault. So now I at least know the flies link... which should make it easier for a pld to invincible, run to center and wait for Diamond dust. I thought the flies would be around the outer ring and the pld would waste 20 seconds gathering the flies together...

A few questions tho...

1) If there's only one summoner using Diamond Dust, how many Diamond Dusts must be performed to kill the 8 minion flies (assuming no resistance or misses)... one burst? or two bursts?

2) If I use a thf instead of pld, perfect dodge would have same desired effect yes? Both negate physical damage, and both are susceptable to magic damage.

3) If a SMN were to use avatar to attack front most Houndfly, would the other flies link to the avatar? or to the SMN?

3a) If the flies link onto the avatar, how many hits can Shiva take from each fly before she dies? (Cause my taru smn can only take one hit from each fly I've found..)

4) Do the flies have any type of range attack? If I retreat Shiva, will they drop behind eventually, or stay on Shiva like flies at a picnic?

5) Does anyone know the ~HP count of the mobs involved? and how is their physical attack defense vs magic attack defense?
RE: oww...
# Jun 02 2006 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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HELLO!!!! I decided to try and answer some of your questions(but not all of them)! I did this today trying for the Hairpin.


Set-up: SMN/RDM, SMN/WHM, PLD/WAR, PLD/WAR, WHM/BLM
Planned set-up: 3SMN instead of 2SMN and WHM
Total Players: 5

Problems we discovered along the way:
1) One of the PLD/WAR brought NO ARMOR, WEAPONS, OR 2-hour ability! I was pissed when I found out he brought *NOTHING* to help with.
2) The other SMN has a big mouth and was pissing off other members.

Observations:
1) We didn't need the WHM or the "useless" 2nd PLD. The 2nd PLD didn't do a thing accept provoke, which almost killed him.
2) We could have done this battle with 3 people, not 5.

Preperations For Summoners:
1) 1 Yagudo Drink
2) *Optional*: If you plan on healing the PLD while your waiting for your Blood Pact timer to come back, BRING ETHERS.

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*Now to answer your questions!*
1)Diamond Dust: I used Diamond Dust first with the other SMN following about 1/2 a second after me. From how it looked in the Chat log, It takes 2 Diamond Dusts total to defeat the weak Damselfies that surround the main fly.

2) I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this question.

3) If your avatar moves in to attack the Boss fly, *ALL* Of the flies will Agro onto your Avatar, linking all of their friends. As soon as your avatar is defeated by the 9 flies, it will come after YOU. <I'm sorry>

3a) If the flies link onto the avatar, Shiva in this case, She doesn't have much of a chance. This is how I am judging after both of our shivas we defeated. We destroyed the 8 "weak" flies, but the Boss fly aggroed onto the 2nd Shiva and killed her, then the 1st Shiva. At this point, the PLD did his first provoke, on the one fly left alive.

4) Luckily we defeated the flies before we could see if they have long range attacks, But judging how they first attacked the PLD when he ran in, I would have to say that They are ALL close-range monsters. You might want to be careful of AoE attacks as all Damselflies are known for them. These AoE attacks are the Poison attack and the one where it's tail glows. (you can find more example of this in Valkurm Dunes) These flies will stay on your avatar's *** until it is dead if you end in shiva then "Retreat" her.

5) I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this question.
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I have answered some of your questions, but not all. I hope they come of service to everyone in the future. There are still many questions to be answer about this BCNM.

Hopefully someone is willing to try this with a THF and using Perfect dodge. Try asking 75THF's if they have ever been hit while Perfect dodge is on. If the answer is no, then the chances of a new strategy in this BCNM will be brought out. Please, if anyone tries this, please post the results of Perfect Dodge in place of the PLD's role.

Exactly like what others have said in previous posts, I would not suggest this for those who only bring 1 SMN to this BCNM. Bringing a BLM in place of the 2nd SMN might work, but why risk that?

Having a PLD isn't only for agroing the flies at the very beginning, it's for Tanking the Boss fly while your Blood Pact timer is still ticking away for your 2nd or 3rd Astral flow. And yes, as your did state, all of the flies are next to each other. Get detection by one and you link them all.

Shiva's Blood Pact Count:
2 Diamond Dusts - 8 flies are dead
2 Diamond Dusts - The main fly is almost dead
1 Diamond Dust- Main fly is dead, but the last BP is an Overkill.
Reason for only 5? The PLD brought an Icarus Wing for a weapon skill. We would have needed 6 Diamond Dusts to defeat the main fly, had there not been close combat fighting involed with the PLD. It appears other players have confirmed that.

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Set-up: PLD/WAR, SMN/WHM, SMN/RDM(me)
Total Players: 3
We did just as I stated above.

I used ethers to assist the PLD in staying alive, as did the SMN/WHM. We only used Cure1. We did NOT use HIGH Ethers. Anyone who did the level 20 avatar battles would know not to bring High ethers. The casting time on High ethers is Disgustingly long. The PLD had an Icarus wing as well.

Still no Haripin. ; ;

EDIT: fixed typos
EDIT: more typos
EDIT: I don't think this is soloable. The flies do way too much damage to your Avatar to allow it to stay alive long enough to retreat to the other side of the battle field.

Edited, Fri Jun 2 04:49:28 2006
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RE: oww...
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I'm glad I wrote this. I came back to try and remember information after an 8 month break from the game. Too bad I can't remember my password or email @.@. Might do this bcnm again. I'll see how it goes, using this strategy.
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# May 14 2006 at 2:55 AM Rating: Default
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YOU MUST HAVE 3 Sumoners, and 1 or 2 Paladins. First the Paladain goes in and 2 hours and trains all mobs to one place, Then sumoners use 2 hour with shiva, and that kills all flies, but the hunt fly, then other PLD vokes and a2hours, holds it off till smn's are ready, Diamond dusta again, and BANG ur done, easiest BCNM ive ever done, im am currently 5/5 wins, and 3/5 empreror pins


I don't think YOU MUST HAVE 3 summoners, I've done it with 1 and I've done it with 2. PLD is a must however.
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# Apr 12 2006 at 9:16 PM Rating: Default
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YOU MUST HAVE 3 Sumoners, and 1 or 2 Paladins. First the Paladain goes in and 2 hours and trains all mobs to one place, Then sumoners use 2 hour with shiva, and that kills all flies, but the hunt fly, then other PLD vokes and a2hours, holds it off till smn's are ready, Diamond dusta again, and BANG ur done, easiest BCNM ive ever done, im am currently 5/5 wins, and 3/5 empreror pins
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How spread out are the mobs?
# Mar 10 2006 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Would anyone who has done this BCNM let me know if the flies are close enough together at the start of the fight to be hit with an AoE spell from the start? Or do you need to have someone run in and gather them all together?
Like i have said before
# Feb 19 2006 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok this is the best way that I found to do this bcnm. First get one Pld one Blm Two Smn and one whm, yes thats right just five ppl. Go in and have the whm buff then have the pld run in and get all arrgo. Then once he is in the middle of the mobs he uses two hour and smn use there two hour with shiva and all but one fly will be left. At this time just have your whm focus on keeping your pld healed and have your blm just cast firega it will do 130 to 150 a hit and when he runs out of mp have him use his two hour to finsh it of all in all the whole time it took us was 2 min 25 sec I think I cant remember the time perfectly but I know we hold the record for it and we never droped into the yellow on anyone the whole time and whm still had mp to spare.
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ps I have tried this bcnm 20 times with diff party setups and this has a 99.99% chance of winning.
Like i have said before
# Sep 19 2006 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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OK! Brilliant idea! Now what do you do for the second orb? your 2hrs are down...Try coming up with a plan that actually works for more than 1 orb, then i'll be impressed, its not that hard to win a BCNM with 4 2hrs...
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Like i have said before
# Nov 05 2008 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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OK! Brilliant idea! Now what do you do for the second orb? your 2hrs are down...Try coming up with a plan that actually works for more than 1 orb, then i'll be impressed, its not that hard to win a BCNM with 4 2hrs...

This.

Why do people even put in strategies which involve more than one 2hr? If you're running a bcnm, chances are everybody has an orb and wants to make use of it.
RE: Like i have said before
# Feb 26 2006 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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I understand situations with extreme and unhelpable circumstances, but intentionally going into a BCNM with less than the maximum allowed people (with the exception of ENMs and crazy extreme bouts for bragging rights) is just foolish, you're wasting a space, and crippling your chances to ensure success. Another pt member never hurts. (unless it's an ENM of course)

Ok, my real point in this post is that success in a BCNM relies less on the setup, and more on strategy and teamwork skill. (See my post under the Black Dragon for victory with THF/WAR and BRD/WHM ^.^)
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RE: Like i have said before
# Apr 16 2006 at 2:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Well the plus-side to this would mean more gil per person because of one less person to split it with.
RE: Like i have said before
# May 16 2006 at 11:39 PM Rating: Good
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But with 6 people they'd have an extra chance for the drop
Kiting for sure
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My guess is that this bc can be done w/ 6bst even though the flies arent charmable. The key would be to have 5 bst solo one lesser fly each while the 6th bst kites the rest of the mobs.

So it would start something like this. Party enters and buffs call bst. The bst assigned to kite uses tiger familiar (tigers run fast) while the rest of the party uses a more dmg oriented jug or courier carrie. Wait for call beast timer to run down to 2min or so. Main kite bst sics pet on main fly which should draw aggro from all flies onto it.

The other bst can now sic their pets onto their assigned mob. At this point everybody should spread to avoid neighbors aoe. The kiter will run down to the bc entrance, do a /heel, and /stay when the tiger gets there and repeat. Whoever is done with their fly should proceed to kill the flies being kited.

The main problem I see would be having the tiger survive the initial assault of all 9 flies. This could be avoided by making sure that each bst is targeting a unique fly. The /assist command would be helpful here. This way there would be only 4 flies on the tiger from the beginning.

Also gravity may pose a problem for the tiger. Though gravity on a tiger is not as effective.
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Not Charmable
# Jan 21 2006 at 3:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Got a random tell asking me to help w/this BCNM.
So I grabed my BST gear, and headed up to the peak.
Was a PT of random melee and WHM. I was like (Uhg I'm gonna die) We go in, and the first thing that happens, is the leader aimless'y jusr runs in, arrgoing everything killing everyone.
2 hours later, he finds where to get a new orb.
Comes back, and we try again, this time I could have time to gauge...

and no, ya cant charm them.

Dont go into this BCNM w/o atleast 2 SMNs ready to 2 hour.
Idear
# Jan 15 2006 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I think that 3 BLMs should run a triangle and cast Ice Spikes on themselves and just Cure while a SAM and THF take on the main mob in the center. When SC is ready one of the BLMs cast Burn on the object mob and the SAM and THF do Distortion and the 3 BLMS triple MB WATER II on mob. You could even SATA the WHM for more dmg.
Rinse and Repeat. Sound good?
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manaburn
# Jan 06 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Default
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6 blm, firaga, on a firesday, using elemental seal of course

that should drop the mobs down pretty quickly, if each blm is pimped out in int. add in a sleep from each one if that becomes a problem
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Nightmare
# Dec 27 2005 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Diabolos's Nightmare attack sticks to all except main NM.

Since Sleepga isn't available at this level on BLM or Shiva, and appearently BRD song doesn't stick, this seems to be the only way to sleep them.
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