Came back after 2 years and was utterly shocked to find it at 4k. I think having to raise up money for this was one of the reasons I had quit, haha. Naturally snatched it up right away for my sub.
Okay, I KNOW this spell has been one (if not the #1) of the most expensive spells a WHM has to buy. Deflation, in some opinions, is awesome. Everything is cheap...but that's a double edged sword...everything is cheap lol. Everything loses its values. On Kujata, Erase was a few days ago...brace yourselves for whom have bought the damn thing for 500k+...60k. Yeah. 60k. I remember buying mine way back when like a year ago when I was at that level, I got it for like...mmm...800k? GOD I felt so bad lol. Anywho, just wondering if deflation has hit everyone else's servers...?
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I may not be on every server but I think I can safely assume the price has deflated on most if not all of them. Anyone who complains now about buying this spell can go to h*ll. And if the only way you can get it is doing bcnm40? Guess what? Royal jelly is one of the easiest bcnms ever, get 2 drgs or 2 good DDs (jellies are weak to piecering) and a good healer and you have the bcnm beat already. (refresh and regen drinks help too)
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Its not a matter of keeping the people that have Dia, Slow, etc alive, it more about erase making things move along quickly. Say your Pld has Dia.. well now they can't heal till the effect goes away, adding an extra few minutes to your down time. Your melees get slowed.. that adds time to the fight making you use more mana, causing more down time. It isn't *required* to be a good Whm.. but it is nice to have if you want a speedy party.
ok 500-600k isnt that much but if you sub WHM i dotn feel like raising 500-600k for a jbo i barely care about...
btw Odin erase is 1.2mil so thats about 2x what you said and even as a BLM i find it hard to farm cause i take damage wayy too much you guess it 61BLM/30WHM WHM is only at 30
I dont feel Erase is nessesary for a /WHM but only prefered.
Not trying to be a jerk, but please stop your whining...
500k-600k, no, it's not that hard to earn, even if you are a WHM main. (Lvl something else for a bit, craft, etc.)
Yes, I do expect WHM to have Erase, because I take the time to lvl crafts, farm, bcnm, so why shouldn't you? Why should you get to complain when I've worked hard to earn my O.Kote, my Juji. Gi, etc?
I just bought this scroll for 700k as it was the only spell I did not have out of every spell that I could possibly use to my levels.
Already I have to say that this is an awesome spell and well worth every gil spent, especially for BST/WHM, since many times you are hit by diaII, bioIII, etc. which can take your hp down real fast, sometimes even killing you. If erase removes gravity, then it is a godsend.
Yes it is expensive, but you can easily make the cost of erase by doing BCNM and selling the items you can't use yourself, or in my case I made enough gil to buy 2 of these scrolls (if i wanted to) at 700K a pop on seraph in a weekend with lv 10 leather working. Anyone who complains about money.. all I can say is be a little creative, and you can easily afford anything you need.
If a party member bitches for you not having this spell, simply tell them: Until you're running around wearing O.Kotes, an Ohat, Hauberk, etc... stfu. Whm has a harder time than any other job making gil until telewhoring is possible, expecting us to have a spell that costs half a mil is retarded unless youre lvl 60+. At lvl 48, i still dont have this spell, because mp equipment is hella expensive as it is, and in a couple more lvls ill need my elemental staves. Unless they're willing to buy it for you, they have no right to complain, as we dont bitch when they arent wearing millions worth of gear. My gear sells for about 2mil now plus the 200-300k ive dropped in spells, i think my mp is a lot more important than having this spell, and no one has died in my party from drown or whatnot.
Wow, try lvling a melee job around 48, you should have at least 3 mil in gear if you want to be solid. WHM are just bitchy because they arent used to having to be pacient enough to earn money, because they do not have to buy expensive gear (except noble's tunic, of course).
That's rich. Hey buddy, guess what? Practically EVERY job can farm more easily than WHM. Know why? Low. Fuggin. Combat stats. Take a look at a WHM's DEF, even with Protect whatever. How about HP. And don't forget ATK! Plus, while BLM suffers from the same weaknesses, it makes up for it with powerful offensive magic- while WHM's best offense spells are Banish(#), Holy, and Dia(#).
As for fighting NMs... WHM have to set themselves up. Stoneskin, Blink, Protect, Shell, Bar-whatever, etc.
By the time they do that the mob could easily be claimed.
Think before posting, kthnx.
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I'm 0/5 on this stupid thing- I GIVE UP! ;_; It's stupid....why have this on BCNM when I just can't get it...*cry* And it's 600k atm on carby server...I CAN'T AFFORD IT! ;_; I have every other WHM spell for my lvl still people whine I don't have Erase ._.;;;
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I agree with Kouricko, this spell is great to have teamed up with Divine Veil, but it's not required believe me. Removing dia, bio, rasp, attack down, evasion down, and the whole blm suite of elemental torments isn't nearly as important as paralysis, silence, blind, and curse/virus. A good WHM could get by easily without having this spell, but if you got the extra gil for it pick it up. Anyone that wouldn't pick a WHM up for not having it is F'ing retarted.
Would someone please list all the statuses that are affected by Erase, as well as their order of precedence.
For instance, if the target is afflicted by both Dia and Slow, which one would be removed with a single application of Erase? Is it dependent on the order in which he received them, or do the effects themselves have a pecking order?
And if you feel the need to tell me to find out for myself, I'm not yet of a level to be able to cast it. It's just a request, not a demand :)
I am still not that lvl to get erase....but I must start saving up for it... I just don't understand how pt's don't want u because u don't have it...I mean for that price I would expect it to take away ALL negative effects on one person *is used to te usual dispell from other FF games* but I guess it doesn't I understand that the erase-ga is helpful...but for one person..I don't think so... THe thing is since WHM will be my main...I am going to have to get it...
"Well....I'm at the point where I don't care if they bitch or not. A party has to have a whm and if that party doesn't want to take me because I'm not loaded enough to buy Erase then their loss. Another will take me. I can do fine without and it is EXTREMELY unlikely for ANYONE to die with bio,dia, blah-blah or anything else when someone in the party has MP. If the price goes down MAYBE I'll buy it. I agree though, it should be a quest. BCNMS are too risky. Who knows when that nice buddy in your LS will show his/her true colors? As to is it useful or useless? I'm sure it is useful. Would SE really make a spell that a WHM or any other class wouldn't need/want at one time or another?
I find it's only people that have no experiance as a mage, or people that just like to complain say crap."
I had the worst possible luck with this scroll,4 bcnm attempts and everytime no drop.. I was saving money at same time as regaining seals for another attempt, finally got it, but my point is..
I made it to lvl 70 without this scroll, and to be honest..I didn't need it..chains 5-6 were maintained, no deaths, fast exp obviously due to chains, it is a great scroll especially with Divine veil, BUT if you're a good whm its not something you need to slit your wrists over, just keep trying for it via money or BCNM.
Anyone who does bitch and moan has obviously never been a mage, or at least, not a very good one, you can ignore them their opinions are worthless unless they offer to buy it for you..bitching about it and deciding not to pay up and help with the solution is madness and shows they are worthless scum hell bent on causing trouble rather than solving it.
so keep ya spirits up sausages! x x x you'll get it.
Well, after saving every gil I had and doing everything I could to get money, I finally bought this 620k scroll. A bit depressing that I'm down to 10k now, but oh well.
So I have been tele-taxiing like crazy and selling all my useless items and questing and finally I am about to buy this amazingly expensive spell. You would think it cured weakend as expensive as it is, but...
I can't believe I am about to spend 580k for something seemingly (to me) worthless.
Well....I'm at the point where I don't care if they bitch or not. A party has to have a whm and if that party doesn't want to take me because I'm not loaded enough to buy Erase then their loss. Another will take me. I can do fine without and it is EXTREMELY unlikely for ANYONE to die with bio,dia, blah-blah or anything else when someone in the party has MP. If the price goes down MAYBE I'll buy it. I agree though, it should be a quest. BCNMS are too risky. Who knows when that nice buddy in your LS will show his/her true colors? As to is it useful or useless? I'm sure it is useful. Would SE really make a spell that a WHM or any other class wouldn't need/want at one time or another?
I find it's only people that have no experiance as a mage, or people that just like to complain say crap. (Probably also a lover of the leet speak -_-;)
I do agree that this spell is a must to have as you get into the hell zones but WTF?! When i started about 9 months ago the spell was a simple 300k. Now that i am actuly playing a whm and need the spell its 700k and climbing! The price is climbing faster then i can make money and i sure as heck am not going to cheat and buy game money. I want this spell so bad but i only have 56 seals so i only got one shot at it... This spell need to be turned into a quest. It does not have to be a simple one just a frickin QUEST!! That should deflate the price a bit. <sends out a h@ll yeah to my friends on shiva>
I don't think that it worth all that to get the scroll , in Ragnnarok it's worth 500k O_O it's not big usefull . some told me that WHM without this spell is a bad WHM . why not having this spell make the WHM bad ?! anyway I will contuinue lvling my WHM till lvl 40 or 45 then stop lvling it . I will choos a melee job ( maybe MNK ,DRK or PLD)
At level 63, I finally got Erase, which I hope will finally shut some bitchin' I got from EXP parties that got mad at me for not having it. But the truth of the matter is Erase is a nice to have spell, not an overally awesome spell like some make it as. Any White Mage can work around most status effects. But I had a few people tell me to stop being a White Mage if I don't have the spell... of course they didn't boot me out of there party for it. But it is really overhype. I think some people just don't understand how difficult it is for a mage (any mage) to get some spells.
On Quetzalcoatl, the price of Erase is now at 700k... that's a lot of teleports. Of course, I went the cheaper route, doing the BCNM40. But when you do those, you gotta find the most trusting people you know (hopefully in your LS), because at 700k, it's easy to get back-stabbed from another who is greedy. I was lucky to have several good friends in my case and we did the battle six times with your orb = your loot stragety; it's the most fair way, if you got the time.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that this spell is rather nice to have, but NOT a necessary evil to have in my book. But when I had others bitch for not having it, I tell'em either you help me get the damn spell or STFU and let me heal your sorry ass.
I just need to make a note to everyone who DOESNT understand this spell is way needed ok heres my Story: I was in Boyahda Tree xping and we were kiling spiders. I was trying to up sword skill . Anyway a spider used its Lvl2 slow (i say this because a japanes epld told me this and its probably true that there is diff lvl of skills no mater if they have III or II they can cause effects of a higher caliburs) so the whm took down the parties slow with a DS erase we got 2 spider links and luckily the whm knew what to do ...haste the rdm to sleep them (we had like the worst camp because it was a crowded day) so i sleep2 the first one but my sleep missed crappy low lvl spells so then i look and there is about16 secs leftand at about 4seconds left i get down to 31mp and whm is almost tapped out as well pld gets down to about 50ish hp and i get off a sleep2 just in time for the drg to use penta thrust and kill the first spider then we zoned ASAP and lived because erase cancelled slow and haste sped up the spell re cast and btw im a lvl 58rdm now and if u wanna party /tell ferque but i wont be on for a few weeks as of my credit card got stolen and im waiting on a new one {Peace} out
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when you cast haste on a slowed target it not only cancels the slow effect, it also gives them haste, therfore: could you not have just skipped erase and have haste casted?
like i said i might be overlooking something but it seems like a waste to erase slow and then cast haste when haste will automatically remove it for you. Obiously erase does have some uses i just dont se this as one of them (btw level 42whm and no i dont have this spell yet, working on it)
I ended up getting mine with an act of kindness from a fellow party member who heard I was without the spell and saving up for the 900,000K on Quetzalcoatl, he bought me the spell and only asked 400,000k and a few free Raise III's when I find him lying face down in the mud at level 70 plus.
I also told him he tele's for free from now on he seemed quite overjoyed at that :), I've had this kindness happen before and frankly its nice to see that people do care about their fellow players in this game, I wont soon forget such a pleasent action.
Funny enough after partying for several hours in Gustev Tunnel I realised I hadnt even used the Erase spell the whole night.
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yes, i can confirm that the spiders use a more potent slow, (slow2 i believe) when figting almost anything else, if the tank has haste and they're hit with slow, it has no efect, and if they are slow and i cast haste, haste overrides slow. however with the spiders, if the anyone has haste, they get slowed, and if i try to catst haste, it has no efect. i have been told that erase is the only way to remove spider slow... but stupid me, i was gonna bcnm it, and didn't buy it when it was 200k, now i can' find a group of people i can trust who an pull it off, and it's taking me forever to get 600k, even witha few ls members helping me from time to time. sigh, seems we'r the worst soloers in the game, save for maybe bard, we don't hit hard, and what few attack spells we have are real mp hogs. that, and our best way of puling is dia, which can be easily voked out from under. Truirony starts casting dia on Bloodpool Vorax. <isert name of any war or job/war here> uses provoke on Bloodpool Vorax. Cannot attack. Your target is already claimed course lately i've started using flash in some cases (my lumber for one) but even flash is no match for that jap advantage, name's purple, as soon as it apears... before i can even select it in most cases. now that's just not fair. so, to anyone who says that whms MUST have this spell, i have this to say. well, if the whm could get any mobs, maybe they could eventualy afford it. also, just because you can kill a mob in 2 hits and i'm 6 lvls ahead of you doesn't mean i'm anywhere near as good a fighter as you. >< and no i don't just hunt nms, have the same prblem everywhere i go, no mter what i'm figting, save for a few noob zones, but i don't like farming those for gil exclusivly(i'll farm sarataburata(sp?) for items for windy fame, and whatnot sometimes), since that's where people xp, and i always hate lvling a low lvl job, just to have some high lvl farm all the mobs i'm xping on... sorry for the rant, but i've not gotten alot of complaints about not having it. just get asked if i have it sometimes when the pt needs it, i reply, "don't have it. :(" and nothing more is said usually.(i've made it to 56 without it, though stoping here till i get it because i've just decided that i won't lvl again till i have it) oh what i wouldn't give to have it, but it really sucks to spend 4 hours getting 20k....
crazy things have been happening lately while i xp with WHMs....i think mainly it has to do with this spell.
i realized that Erase DOES lower cool-down time on some Job Abilities, i figured it out while xping in sky off golems today. I can confirm 100% that it really does happen, i might try to do some things to reinforce this in Ballista but here is what i know for sure:
while bound, WHM cast Erase (maybe DS for Erasega).....Provoke timer was at :06 secs before Erase was cast, Provoke timer immediately reset to :00 after Erase took effect.
second time it happened:
Provoke timer was at :14 seconds when Erase took effect, afterwards Provoke timer jumped to :10 seconds
both of these times, i had Provoke highlighted on my Job Abilities list so i know the exact times.
it might have something to do with having status effects on you in order for it to work....maybe??
Edit: false alarm, i've tampered with it some more and it just seems to be "spell lag" which happens periodically...nevermind >.>
very important to have vs. Formors due to their AOE Drown effect that is very potent. (Barwatera will up the resistance, but doesn't always do the trick.)
i go tank > mages > melee. if i can't get to a melee right away, i give them regen to reduce that DOT and buy some time.
If anybody is on Carbuncle Server please hook me up with any BCNM's or something, cause i have been farming forever it feels, and the spell is about 400k even. People wont let me in there parties cause they say Erase is a must! which i dont really think its a must because i have whm friends that are level 70+ that dont have erase yet. /tell Darkonix if your on Carbuncle
no more slating of this spell - its damn useful and damn good since it can remove the effects of the following things: bio dia bind str/int/eva/mnd/agi/dex down slow
sooo bloody useful in exp pts :3
my most used spells (apart from cure spells) in an exp pt are regen haste and erase
i finally got this scroll after doing 8 bcnms last night, lol actually we got this scoll back to back, thank the worms from Worms Turn, 9/9 with them, our party consisted of 2 RNG 2BLM 2RDM we had an AVG time of 16.5min completion time
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My BCNM Party is 18-0 against the sprouts, it is an easy BCNM. Our Party consists of a BRD WHM RDM DRK RNG and MNK. the DRK goes in first gathers the Mandies, the MNK vokes the Black Mandy...BRD sleeps the group of regular ones, DRK MNK and RNG kill the Black one, while RDM Heals/Enfeebles the Black and PT killing black while WHM keeps BRD at FULL HP. Once Black one is dead RNG(me) pulls Mandies away from the BRD to opposite side of circle and DRK MNK RNG kill them 1 at a time until all Mandies are dead. We each take home about 100K+ average per round of 6 BCNM fights after all drops are sold and divided. I hope this helps anyone attempting to get the Erase, I suppose I should have posted this under the BCNM thread page but oh well. Good luck to you if you try it.
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Posted:Oct 28 2004 at 7:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does Erase get rid of, say, curse or virus, or does it only get rid of the stat down effects, dia, and bio?
FYI, last I checked Erase cost about 300k gil at the Auction House in Jeuno on Phoneix. This is too high a price for me as a 36 level white mage. I also want to do "Moogles In The Wild", "The Gobbiebag Part III", and "The Gobbiebag Part IV". Looks like I will be gil farming for a while. I also will try to get my friends to help me do the BCNM battles. It also will help me use up those [link=]beastman seals[/link] I have been saving! I will post again when I learn more information about which BCNMs drop the Erase scroll.
Things it can remove that nothing else can : Slow (there is no Slowna) Atk. Down (unless you enjoy hitting for half damage) Eva. Down Def. Down (unless you enjoy being killed in 1 hit by dhalmels) Str. Down Vit. Down And well, any other nasty condition there's no -na for.
A group with an Erase WHM and a dispel RDM will make way more xp/hour then a group without. Don't diss the spells just because you're angry it's expensive.
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Haste prevents and cancels slow effects from SOME mobs. Crawlers are an example of this. If you are hasted and a crawler uses its slow ability, you will simply remain hasted.
Other mobs have slow abilities that are stronger than Haste. Spiders are one example. Even if you are hasted already, a spider mob will still cancel your haste and slow you. If your tank is slowed against a mob with a move as deadly as Sickle Slash, you will be very very happy to have Erase on your side.
Haste will cancel and grant immunity some slow status, with the exception of AoE slow and repeated slow moves from say Diremites or Crawlers. But haste is whm40/rdm48, and when you get a whm50+, and are hit with AoE slow, Divine Veil + Erase would be the best way of handling the stats down.
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You can be slowed if you have haste active. You can haste yourself or a party member to remove slow sometimes. I'll admit I have no answers as to when it works and when it doesn't, but from personal experience in soloing...as well as XP, I can tell you both. The hasted can be slowed, and haste has a chance of overwriting slow.
NO it cannot, I was in quicksand caves and when beetles do their slow move, when I cast haste it will not overwrite it. Mob's slow is stronger then haste at higher levels. Hope this helps.
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ive been in pts fighting mobs WAY higher level than bettles in quicksand, and i know that haste does cancle haste but it doesnt always stick and sometimes haste prevents you from getting slowed. they go both ways next time you get slowed cast haste on yourself a bunch of times youll see that it does remove it.
It costs a lot of money because it's a rare BCNM drop. Also, in certain rare situations, it is very useful. Max MP Down is an incredibly bad status effect that can only be cured by Erase. If your PLD gets Dia'd, he needs to med, you can Erase that too. I was just saying it's overrated because it's not something that you NEED until you start fighting things with really nasty status effects. You do tend to avoid those mobs too. When you hit 40 as a WHM, find a good BCNM group and do a couple of runs. Get your Erase, use it, and split any remaining gil from items sold. You can buy yourself some nice things if you get a good run of BCNM40. If you don't get a chance to do one, don't really save money to buy it. It's a luxury item, the same way Astral Rings are nice to have after level 40... Electrum rings. Do buy all the -na spells, like Stona, because they ARE extremely needed.
Most overrated spell in the game. You might need it later, but it very rarely comes in useful, I'd say less useful than Raise II even if you have a GOOD PT ;D Use it if you get it in a BCNM and you're pretty well off, otherwise just sell it. As Casio said, it doesnt remove anything they have a debuff for: Poison, Curse, Petrify, etc. It does remove "x" Down effects, plus Dia and Bio. There are a few other things it gets rid of, but it is only useful in rare situations. I cast it to get rid of INT Down on my melees today, woo hoo...
Actually, Mog House erases all. Was out leveling a subjob when I was killed. Got a raise and didn't want to wait for weakness to pass, so I ran to my Mog House. Walked in and weakness gone. it really works.
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Yea, the Mog House is great. Nice to be able to change jobs and change back having full hp/ full mp and All status's removed.
Obviously this isn't possible when your XPing in a place far away from an MH. So I would say try to get this spell through a good BCNM pt when your level 40+. It will come quite handy when your NIN gets a AGI or EVA Down. Or dia/bio.