Spell details for Raise
| Jobs/Level: | White Mage, lvl 25 Paladin, lvl 50 Red Mage, lvl 38 Scholar, lvl 35 |
|---|---|
| MP cost: | 150 |
| Element: | Light |
| Scroll: | Scroll of Raise |
| Duration: | N/A |
| Reuse: | 60 Seconds |
| Cast time: | 15 seconds |
| Target Type: | Single |
| Description: | Revives target from KO. |
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50! i am soooo excited 6 more lvs to go....
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did you know that they are changing the lvl in wich pld can cast raise from lvl 75 to lvl 50 when the expansion comes out.
That means that I need to get 15 lvls in 21 days
Veliant
That means that I need to get 15 lvls in 21 days
Veliant
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omgwtf why did i just spend an hour reading this thread? >_<
The same reason I did...and then went on to post 2.... oh, darn... 3 items in it 
You have classic waytoomuchtimeonyourhandsitis...
Lusiphur <Alexander>
"And where are your Carapace Rings +1??"
"Look Mr. 10 levels behind me... be my equal before you pretend to be my superior"
You have classic waytoomuchtimeonyourhandsitis...
Lusiphur <Alexander>
"And where are your Carapace Rings +1??"
"Look Mr. 10 levels behind me... be my equal before you pretend to be my superior"
Just thought I'd pop this up on top relating to the Undead issue that so many ppl are goin' on and on and on and... well you get the idea.
First, let's remember this is not other versions of FF.
Second... You don't die in this game, you are rendered "Unconcious."
Therefor....... wait for it....... Raise does not restore life and would do nothing to the undead. It simply restores you from the game equivalent of a mild coma.
Just thought I'd point that out.
Lusiphur <Alexander>
First, let's remember this is not other versions of FF.
Second... You don't die in this game, you are rendered "Unconcious."
Therefor....... wait for it....... Raise does not restore life and would do nothing to the undead. It simply restores you from the game equivalent of a mild coma.
Just thought I'd point that out.
Lusiphur <Alexander>
let me copy the description of the spell...
Raises the target from dead and restores 25% of lost experience.
I agree with your "Unconcious" argument... but you have to agree that "raising the target from dead" implies that you are dead... doesn't it?
Quote:
Raises the target from dead and restores 25% of lost experience.
I agree with your "Unconcious" argument... but you have to agree that "raising the target from dead" implies that you are dead... doesn't it?
It would imply that yes... but the game has conflicting terminology in this case as on one hand you never "die" and on the other hand you have a spell that says it "raises" from the "dead"... either way... see above :P
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I'd also like to know how much exp Divine Seal + Raise gives you, since I've been told by many people its over 25%.
Also, per another post, I see that the MP cost hasn't been fixed, it should be 150.
Edited, Sat May 29 22:57:42 2004
Also, per another post, I see that the MP cost hasn't been fixed, it should be 150.
Edited, Sat May 29 22:57:42 2004
As I think may have been pointed out already (but I'm too lazy to scroll down and confirm)... Divine Seal works to enhance your next healing spell (Cure, Cure II, Cure III, etc, Curaga, Curaga II, etc)... as Raise doesn't "heal" why would Divine Seal do anything to help it?
Lusiphur <Alexander>
Edited, Wed Aug 4 04:13:44 2004
Lusiphur <Alexander>
Edited, Wed Aug 4 04:13:44 2004
i have tested Divine Seal + Raise,
it DOES NOT restore more EXP.
i sacraficed my lvl 12 MNK to test this, had a friend use RaiseI and RasieII on me.
RaiseI restored the normal 25% of the exp lost, so i only lost 7.5%...
RaiseII does not restore 75% of the exp lost on a <lvl50 job. so if a HL WHM casts RaiseII on your lvl 30 butt, you lose a total of 7.5% (RaiseI).
it DOES NOT restore more EXP.
i sacraficed my lvl 12 MNK to test this, had a friend use RaiseI and RasieII on me.
RaiseI restored the normal 25% of the exp lost, so i only lost 7.5%...
RaiseII does not restore 75% of the exp lost on a <lvl50 job. so if a HL WHM casts RaiseII on your lvl 30 butt, you lose a total of 7.5% (RaiseI).
I think this spell should be usable on the undead. That way WHM could actually effeciently solo at some points during the day :-)
OH DEAR GOD. Look, healing and restorative magic causes damage against undead(skeletons, etc.)
Or remember in FFX fighting against the UNDEAD Evrae, Evrae Altana? Yeah. Throw 2 Phoenix Downs at it and it KO's.
Enough said. >.>
Or remember in FFX fighting against the UNDEAD Evrae, Evrae Altana? Yeah. Throw 2 Phoenix Downs at it and it KO's.
Enough said. >.>
There is a key element that everyone seems to be forgetting in their math. Undead aren't alive. Undead aren't dead. Undead are typically a dead creature animated by magic. Since the force keeping them moving is magical and not natural the whole life/death issue is irrelevant. They are either animated, or have had their animating magic disrupted. So raising undead doesn't work because raise is meant to restore natural energy to an incapacitated creature. The undead are full of magical energy, which leaves no room for the natural energy you are trying to restore.
so instead of fighting something undead....you'd be fighting something ..... un-alive
/em checks his math.
dead + raise = alive
un(dead)+raise ?= un(alive)
un(alive) ?= dead -> undead ?= un(un(alive)) = alive
therefore undead=alive.....and raise doesn't work on alive things
/em 's eyes cross, mouth froths, falls down and starts twitching.
/em checks his math.
dead + raise = alive
un(dead)+raise ?= un(alive)
un(alive) ?= dead -> undead ?= un(un(alive)) = alive
therefore undead=alive.....and raise doesn't work on alive things
/em 's eyes cross, mouth froths, falls down and starts twitching.
your stament is if raiseing the dead makes them alive then raiseing the undead makes the unalive
raise(dead) = alive ->
raise(un)(dead) = (un)(alive)
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raise(un)(dead)= (un)(alive)
raise(un)(dead)= (un)[raise(dead)]
raise(un)(dead)= (un)(raise)(dead)
raise(un)(dead)= (raise)(un)(dead)
raise(un)(dead)/raise(un)(dead)=1
1=1
um ok my head hurts. the stament is true. but this true stamet is fails cuz it dosnt work :)
if you are dead then you are not alive
dead -> -alive
raise(dead)=alive
raise(-alive)= alive
raise = -1
------------
un=not=-1
------------
raise(un)(dead)= ????
-1(-1)dead = dead
this would be the way it works in other final fantsy. but not this one cuz exp would be to easy and once a whm hit level 25 why would they want to be in a party just hide and cast it at night for an easy 200 exp
if anyone needs help on there math home work ill be taking a nap
edit: i need to show my work a lil
ok lets put these to gether maybe?
raise(un)(dead)= raise(un)(-alive)
raise(un)(dead)= (-1)un(-alive)
raise(un)(dead)= unalive
well you are right
one more step
unalive = -alive = dead
undead = -dead =alive
undead = alive
and in the would of FFXI raise will wourk IFF(if and only if) the person is not alive
therefor the unalive will never happen :( and they where going to be my friend
raise(dead) = alive ->
raise(un)(dead) = (un)(alive)
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raise(un)(dead)= (un)(alive)
raise(un)(dead)= (un)[raise(dead)]
raise(un)(dead)= (un)(raise)(dead)
raise(un)(dead)= (raise)(un)(dead)
raise(un)(dead)/raise(un)(dead)=1
1=1
um ok my head hurts. the stament is true. but this true stamet is fails cuz it dosnt work :)
if you are dead then you are not alive
dead -> -alive
raise(dead)=alive
raise(-alive)= alive
raise = -1
------------
un=not=-1
------------
raise(un)(dead)= ????
-1(-1)dead = dead
this would be the way it works in other final fantsy. but not this one cuz exp would be to easy and once a whm hit level 25 why would they want to be in a party just hide and cast it at night for an easy 200 exp
if anyone needs help on there math home work ill be taking a nap
edit: i need to show my work a lil
ok lets put these to gether maybe?
raise(un)(dead)= raise(un)(-alive)
raise(un)(dead)= (-1)un(-alive)
raise(un)(dead)= unalive
well you are right
one more step
unalive = -alive = dead
undead = -dead =alive
undead = alive
and in the would of FFXI raise will wourk IFF(if and only if) the person is not alive
therefor the unalive will never happen :( and they where going to be my friend
Scholar
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Haha nice. You're assuming 'un' is associative and commutative though. I think 'raise' is more likely to be an operator, so:
raise(dead) = alive
raise(un*dead) = raise(un)*alive
raise(un) = 1
raise(un)*alive = alive
raise(undead) = raise(dead) ?
qed.
raise(dead) = alive
raise(un*dead) = raise(un)*alive
raise(un) = 1
raise(un)*alive = alive
raise(undead) = raise(dead) ?
qed.
raise(un*dead) = raise(un)*alive is it not true you have one to many raise it happens
raise(dead) = alive
raise(un*dead) = (un)*alive <-fixed
raise(un) = 1
raise(un)*dead = dead <- in old ff
(un)=1/raise and raise = 1/un
unalive=raise(un*dead)
(1/raise)alive = raise(un*dead)
alive/raise = raise(un*dead)
alive = (raise^2)(un*dead)
so if we use raise 2 time it should come to life we should tell squar about this
alive = raise(un)+raise(un)+raise(dead)+raise(dead)
alive = 2[(raise)(un)]+2[(raise)(dead)]
alive = 2[(raise)(un)+(raise)(dead)]
ok i dont know where im going with this any more
alive = 2[(raise)(un)+alive]
alive = 2(raise)(un)+ 2(alive)
alive = 2 (raise)(1/raise)+ 2 alive
alive = 2+ 2(alive)
-1(alive)=2
alive=-2
just cuz i have no life
alive = raise(un)+raise(un)+raise(dead)+raise(dead)
alive =raise(2 un + 2 dead)
alive/raise = (2 un + 2 dead)
alive/1/un = alive * un/1 = (un)alive
unalive = 2(1/raise)+2(dead)
unalive/2=(dead)+(1/raise)
ok theres not hope in finding something out of this
raise(un)alive/2 =(raise)(dead)+1
raise(un)alive/2 = alive + 1
alive/2=alive+1
alive = -2
-2/2 = -1
-2+1 = -1
yep the meaning of life is -2
ok if being alive means that you are not dead then
alive= -dead
so dead =2
reise(dead)=alive
2raise=-2
raise= -1
un=1/raise
un=1/-1
un = -1
alive =-2 dead=2 un=-1 raise=-1
so the aboslt value of alive is dead
well im going to quit this while im still -2
Edited, Tue Jun 29 07:51:53 2004
raise(dead) = alive
raise(un*dead) = (un)*alive <-fixed
raise(un) = 1
raise(un)*dead = dead <- in old ff
(un)=1/raise and raise = 1/un
unalive=raise(un*dead)
(1/raise)alive = raise(un*dead)
alive/raise = raise(un*dead)
alive = (raise^2)(un*dead)
so if we use raise 2 time it should come to life we should tell squar about this
alive = raise(un)+raise(un)+raise(dead)+raise(dead)
alive = 2[(raise)(un)]+2[(raise)(dead)]
alive = 2[(raise)(un)+(raise)(dead)]
ok i dont know where im going with this any more
alive = 2[(raise)(un)+alive]
alive = 2(raise)(un)+ 2(alive)
alive = 2 (raise)(1/raise)+ 2 alive
alive = 2+ 2(alive)
-1(alive)=2
alive=-2
just cuz i have no life
alive = raise(un)+raise(un)+raise(dead)+raise(dead)
alive =raise(2 un + 2 dead)
alive/raise = (2 un + 2 dead)
alive/1/un = alive * un/1 = (un)alive
unalive = 2(1/raise)+2(dead)
unalive/2=(dead)+(1/raise)
ok theres not hope in finding something out of this
raise(un)alive/2 =(raise)(dead)+1
raise(un)alive/2 = alive + 1
alive/2=alive+1
alive = -2
-2/2 = -1
-2+1 = -1
yep the meaning of life is -2
ok if being alive means that you are not dead then
alive= -dead
so dead =2
reise(dead)=alive
2raise=-2
raise= -1
un=1/raise
un=1/-1
un = -1
alive =-2 dead=2 un=-1 raise=-1
so the aboslt value of alive is dead
well im going to quit this while im still -2
Edited, Tue Jun 29 07:51:53 2004
You fools! It's not a logistical problem! Alive, Dead, and Undead are three different states:
Dead = 0, or neutral state.
Alive > 0, or positive state.
Undead < 0, or negative state.
X represents a positive variable value.
A Convenient Scale, for reference:
(More Alive -|-|-|-|-|-Dead-|-|-|-|-|- More Undead)
Raise is a positive operator that can only act on a 0 value. Raise(Dead) = Alive
Cure is an positive operator that can act on any value other than 0. Cure(Alive) = Alive + X; Cure(Dead) = Dead + X
And the vast ******* of attacks are neutralizing operators that can act on any value other than 0. Freeze(Alive) = Alive - X; Banish(Dead) = Dead + X
This is why your attacks do not add HP to the undead; and why Raise in ineffective against undead. You could make an undead creature dead, then Raise it...but since you can't target dead creatures anyways, it's a moot point.
Lastly: Regardless of the operator, a Dead state cannot be surpassed. You can't Cure something undead to make it alive; nor can you attack something to make it undead.
Edited, Sat Mar 5 14:13:16 2005
Dead = 0, or neutral state.
Alive > 0, or positive state.
Undead < 0, or negative state.
X represents a positive variable value.
A Convenient Scale, for reference:
(More Alive -|-|-|-|-|-Dead-|-|-|-|-|- More Undead)
Raise is a positive operator that can only act on a 0 value. Raise(Dead) = Alive
Cure is an positive operator that can act on any value other than 0. Cure(Alive) = Alive + X; Cure(Dead) = Dead + X
And the vast ******* of attacks are neutralizing operators that can act on any value other than 0. Freeze(Alive) = Alive - X; Banish(Dead) = Dead + X
This is why your attacks do not add HP to the undead; and why Raise in ineffective against undead. You could make an undead creature dead, then Raise it...but since you can't target dead creatures anyways, it's a moot point.
Lastly: Regardless of the operator, a Dead state cannot be surpassed. You can't Cure something undead to make it alive; nor can you attack something to make it undead.
Edited, Sat Mar 5 14:13:16 2005
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ok, now just to add a little to the confusion ...
death is the absence of life. because the 'undead' creatures are moving around and having somewhat of a life (assuming we don't go and 'kill' them) it's safe to assume they are actually living, therefore Raise wouldn't work on them anyways ^_^ although I agree, it would be nice to use it against those 'undead' bastards.
death is the absence of life. because the 'undead' creatures are moving around and having somewhat of a life (assuming we don't go and 'kill' them) it's safe to assume they are actually living, therefore Raise wouldn't work on them anyways ^_^ although I agree, it would be nice to use it against those 'undead' bastards.
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alive =raise(2 un + 2 dead)
alive/raise = (2 un + 2 dead)
You can't divide by raise. Think of it like log(). You couldn't do..
1 = log(x)
1/log() = x
Makes no sense. Now what you could have done, was make it...
alive =raise(2 un + 2 dead)
(because dead is the base of raise)
dead^alive = dead^raise(2 un + 2 dead)
dead^alive = 2un + 2 dead
Now the question becomes what happens when you raise dead to the alive power? Is it like 0 ^ infinity? We may never know...
dead^alive = 2un + 2 dead
dead^alive - 2 dead = 2un
dead(1^alive - 2) = 2un
dead(-1) = 2un
-dead = 2un
dead = -2un
(un^-1)dead = -2
Well there you have it.
Edit: I don't agree with your math, though. How exactly did you conclude raise(un) = 1? Just arbitrarily setting values?
Edited, Fri Aug 13 12:33:53 2004
alive/raise = (2 un + 2 dead)
You can't divide by raise. Think of it like log(). You couldn't do..
1 = log(x)
1/log() = x
Makes no sense. Now what you could have done, was make it...
alive =raise(2 un + 2 dead)
(because dead is the base of raise)
dead^alive = dead^raise(2 un + 2 dead)
dead^alive = 2un + 2 dead
Now the question becomes what happens when you raise dead to the alive power? Is it like 0 ^ infinity? We may never know...
dead^alive = 2un + 2 dead
dead^alive - 2 dead = 2un
dead(1^alive - 2) = 2un
dead(-1) = 2un
-dead = 2un
dead = -2un
(un^-1)dead = -2
Well there you have it.
Edit: I don't agree with your math, though. How exactly did you conclude raise(un) = 1? Just arbitrarily setting values?
Edited, Fri Aug 13 12:33:53 2004
After countless hours of researching your equations and checking my math numerous times I have come to the conclusion that you are all idiots. :)
This made me laugh for hours.
but I thought alive = undead-2
but I thought alive = undead-2
more or less
Scholar
38 posts
wow. crazy...that made my head hurt @.@
Anonymous
I've heard mixed things when casting DIVINE SEAL + RAISE I = more exp gained. Is this true or not???? I hear yes , I hear no.
Divine Seal enhances the next cure spell and Raise is a cure spell, so I can see how it might give back more exp. Please help settle this question....
(please only people that know what they're talkin about, pls respond)
Divine Seal enhances the next cure spell and Raise is a cure spell, so I can see how it might give back more exp. Please help settle this question....
(please only people that know what they're talkin about, pls respond)
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Whats the difference between Raise and Reraise?
6 posts
Reraise is a self-cast spell to raise YOU. You cast it when youre alive, and if you should die you will be raised automatically.
Raise can only be cast on others.
Raise can only be cast on others.
9 posts
Because it wouldn't be fair that everyone could be raused at lv 10 would it? And Square Enix wants add some challenge to the game :|
3 posts
So is there no spell, potion i mean that u can carry in your inevtory like, life, full life, phonex down or something so u can bring ur self back to life without help.. and if u do die and there is no one around where do we go to??
Also my post..
Also my post..
Anonymous
Well you could always spend 700 conquest points on a scroll of re-raise =p
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The "scroll of re-raise"
What the deal with Scroll's its it one off magic or do u learn it and can use it all the time?
Where do i get this scroll?
What the deal with Scroll's its it one off magic or do u learn it and can use it all the time?
Where do i get this scroll?
Anonymous
the "scroll: re-raise" that WHM's can learn and use over and over again is far different from the "scroll of instant re-raise" that you can buy with conquest points. instant re-reaise anyone can use, it lasts for an hour, then you gotta buy another.... in that hour though, if you die, you get an automatic raise... i recomend not using instant reraise unless you know you are going to die, it's a waste of conquest points if you just do it every hour. plus you can only have one in your inventory at once i believe.
You're right about having only one at a time. It's a Rare/Exclusive item.
Thanks for the info on the duration. I used mine during a battle in which I was sure the party was going to die and we barely made it. I was hoping it'd last for the rest of the night at least but it didn't and it ended up being a waste. I would like for it to last forever (until it actually takes effect) - considering how expensive it is and the fact that you can only carry one at a time.
Thanks for the info on the duration. I used mine during a battle in which I was sure the party was going to die and we barely made it. I was hoping it'd last for the rest of the night at least but it didn't and it ended up being a waste. I would like for it to last forever (until it actually takes effect) - considering how expensive it is and the fact that you can only carry one at a time.
you always could buy the potion reraiser. It is not RareEx
Spending Gil is better than spending conquest points/
Spending Gil is better than spending conquest points/
Anonymous
So is there no spell, potion i mean that u can carry in your inevtory like, life, full life, phonex down or something so u can bring ur self back to life without help.. and if u do die and there is no one around where do we go to??
Anonymous
just wait til you get addicted, you gain a level everyday, and before you know it you have your advanced job ^^
12 posts
I think its a little extreme that a white mage can learn this spell at less that half the level of a Paladin. And what do you men by who drop this?
15 posts
what drop these?
there is an NPC in selbina that sells this. he is standing on the backside of the cloth guild shop, costs ~5.8k so if your tere its a good deal compared to 7-8k in Jeuno. same NPC also has other high lvl white magic scrolls like CureIII
Standing across from him is an NPC that sells mid lvl Black magic scrolls. Ill try to put a list together next time im there
Standing across from him is an NPC that sells mid lvl Black magic scrolls. Ill try to put a list together next time im there
Anonymous
Raise is sold in Windurst, but you dont have to be any particular rank. I believe it is sold in Windurst Woods at the Federal Magic Reserve. You can also get CureIII and other spells from around lvl 20 to lvl 40.
Anonymous
150mp not 127mp per cast
Anonymous
The level required for a Paladin to learn this spell is 75, if I remember right .. not 78. I don't think the level 75 cap has been implemented yet, though.
Anonymous
With Raise, you only lose 7.5% of your EXP, not the usual 10%. Do the math (10% lost, regain 25% of lost EXP).
WHM - 25 RDM - 38 PLD - 50
They changed this with the CoP patch. And PLDs get it 2x later than WHM because PLDs aren't meant to be healers. They are meant to tank / heal themselves. They have much less MP than WHMs, and probably don't have 150 MP at level 25 XD I kinda forgot, that was 25 levels ago for me.
They changed this with the CoP patch. And PLDs get it 2x later than WHM because PLDs aren't meant to be healers. They are meant to tank / heal themselves. They have much less MP than WHMs, and probably don't have 150 MP at level 25 XD I kinda forgot, that was 25 levels ago for me.
Anonymous
i dont think raise restores exp...
i was fighting at like lvl 27 with like 2300/5200 (rough estimate of earned exp) and i died. when i got raised, i was down to 1800...
now, when u die, u lose 10% of your current exp. that dropped be down to about 1800/5200, before a raise. after i was raised, that was my exp...
maybe raise II and III will regain exp, but im 99.99% sure Raise I wont restore exp
i was fighting at like lvl 27 with like 2300/5200 (rough estimate of earned exp) and i died. when i got raised, i was down to 1800...
now, when u die, u lose 10% of your current exp. that dropped be down to about 1800/5200, before a raise. after i was raised, that was my exp...
maybe raise II and III will regain exp, but im 99.99% sure Raise I wont restore exp
Anonymous
2 or 3 weeks ago i died in a battle and i leveled down, when i was raised by a passing WHM i had regained my level. So, Raise does restore some of your lost xp.
Xuushuu
Lv 27 WHM
Xuushuu
Lv 27 WHM
I can vouch for this too. I had a friend that deleveled regain his level off a raise I.
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25% regained to be exact
Anonymous
heh, duh but anyways a lvl 78 PAL can also learn Raise I might want to add that in there (when you are actually able to get to that level, but tht lvl is shown on the scroll. (uyes I know the cap is 70 but the scroll still says it)
Anonymous
South Windhurst Waters also sells this scroll around 5.5k gil.
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure you can't learn Raise I from a Raise II scroll :p
Better change that :)
Better change that :)
Anonymous
Raise/ raise2/reraise/reraise2/life/life2 all cost 150 mana not 127 mana.
Anonymous
25 isnt high level
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Isn't the mana cost wrong? 150?
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