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TESTED : Dia & Bio effectsFollow

#1 Jul 03 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
It seems it all begins the same way... I, RDM42, partied with a BLM yesterday who was, first, doing my job as enfeebler and, second, casting Bio II after I cast Dia II... I told him to not cast Bio as it nullify the effect of Dia but he didn't listen saying they do stack. Tired of this incessant debate between these spells, I hunted the truth... and I found it.

TESTED in Jugner Forest with a Goblin Leecher, GobL, and a Goblin Tinkerer, GobT (took long before I could get their "cooperation"...)

Test 1 :
GobL casts Dia on Janius.
Janius has Dia on him. Att normal ; Def down. Dia icon.
GobT casts Bio on Janius.
Janius has Bio on him. Att down ; Def normal. Bio icon.
Conclusion : Bio nullifies the effect of Dia!

Test 2 :
GobT casts Bio on Janius.
Janius has Bio on him. Att down ; Def normal. Bio icon.
GobL casts Dia on Janius.
Janius has Dia on him. Att down ; Def normal. Bio icon.
Conclusion : Bio > Dia

Final conclusion :
1. Casting Dia after Bio will have no defense-down effect on the target.
2. Casting Bio after Dia will "erase" the defense-down effect of Dia and add an attack-down effect to the target.
3. Dia < Bio

Speculations :
1. The "damage over time" effect will stay on the target, demonstrated by seeing Dia wearing off when Bio is casted.
2. Dia < Bio < Dia II < Bio II (read : Bio II overrides Dia II)

Advice : Cast Dia at the begining of a fight and Bio when the target is at ~1/4 hp.

And do not ever tell me again that these spells stack! And BLM... do YOUR job!

Truly yours,
Janius
RDM Male Elvaan
#2 Jul 03 2004 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
I hate when whm's and blm's like to enfeeble and I have premade enfeebling macros, so sometimes my dia gets rid of their dia 2 or bio, and it ends up being a waste. Especially when they cast the spell before me. I just tell them to let me do the enfeebling, I don't have maxed enfeebling for nothing!
#3 Jul 04 2004 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
if WHM enfeeebles enough, it can have max enffeeble aswell, and i dont know y but all i see RDMs do is attack, backup heal rarly, and cast Stone Stone Stone. i end up debuffing with Slow sometimes silence on leechers and other mage jobed mobs, Dia on occasions, with my BLM sub, poison and Blind, which RDMs cant do alost all of those.

dont say that RDMs are the only debuffers, specialy since all they do these days are wat i mentioned b 4
#4 Jul 04 2004 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Fenrirman wrote:
if WHM enfeeebles enough, it can have max enffeeble aswell


WHM has a much lower Enfeebling skill cap than RDM. Even if a WHM has his Enfeebling skill capped, he will have less effective enfeebles than a RDM of the same level with his Enfeebling skill capped. :-P
#5 Jul 04 2004 at 9:37 PM Rating: Default
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Every time I get into a party I demand all debuffing rights, save if there is a blm in the party, and even then I demand to do blind and poison so they can just nuke, then I specially ask Dia or Bio to the whole party and which they prefer. If a whm enfeebles I yell. I am there to enfeeble primarily, then backup heal and nuke and melee if it is so desired. I spent alot on my +1 wand and damn, but I'm going to put it to good use. I actually watch the screen to see when enfeebs wear off, but the whms I've partied with seem to spam anything anytime, just wasting mp.

I am a stingy ***** when it comes to enfeebs, and I make sure my whole party knows it. Every piece or gear I wear is there to boost my enfeebs. I'll be damned if I let someone else do the job half-assed.

But yes, Dia and Bio do NOT stack but no one seems to understand this cause mages never pay attention. WHM casts dia. 2 minutes later BLM casts Bio. Again, WHM casts Dia. No one pays attention to the chat log. ><
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