adennak wrote:
As for your first example, where you went from Gravitation to Transfixion. . . I read your theory about why it happened, but my problem with that theory is that it could break a lot of other Renkei (depending on how it works), and/or cause many random Renkei to happen on a regular basis. I think it far more probable that:
1) The game glitched.
2) Another party member fired a Weaponskill that no one noticed.
3) Someone misreported part of those events.
4) The other possibility is that Gust Slash has a secondary attribute that no one has noticed before.
Specificly, where actually, the secondary is in Wind and the primary is either in Ice or Light. That would have created Compression, then Transfixion, which is completely normal, and often mistaken for Gravitation. It would indicate an unknown property of Gust Slash, though, which is a pointed discovery in and of itself.
Though if anyone can re-create:
Gust Slash > One Inch Punch (Gravitation or Compression) > Blade: Rin (Transfixion)
I would be very interested in the results.
In the second example, where all that you made was Distortion. . . that's exactly what I would expect it to make. None of the other Renkei were timed right, and Blade: Rin > Blade: Retsu = Distortion.
Edited, Wed Sep 1 11:52:33 2004 by adennak
I actually think I've figured out a potential issue with how SCs work in general.
Since I'm well aware of what I saw (Gravitation, Transfixion, nothing), there are three distinct possibilities that fit this:
(1) As with lv3 SCs, going lv2->lv1 is terminal (i.e. nothing will successfully chain off the third WS in this case, just like nothing chains off of the last WS in a lv3 SC);
(2) A lv3 SC requires that ONLY the four correct elemental properties be present (and so correct timing would have given Gravitation, Transfixion, Distortion); or
(3) A lv3 SC does not care about any additional SCs with out-of-group elemental properties that are added in, so long as the four elements show up within the required time window (which gets shorter as more WSes are added in, and is also shortened whenever lv1 SCs pop in as well).
Therefore, the SCs that should be attempted to confirm one of these three possibilities:
Burning Blade > Combo > Smash Axe > Shoulder Tackle:
* produces Fusion, nothing, Light: rules out game glitching
* produces Fusion, nothing, Fragmentation: rules out #2 and #3 for the most part
* produces any other sequence of SCs: ???
Burning Blade > Combo > Gust Slash > Fast Blade:
* produces Fusion, Detonation, Scission: rules out #1
* produces Fusion, Detonation, nothing: confirms #1
* produces any other sequence of SCs: ???
Gust Slash > One Inch Punch > Blade: Rin > Blade: Retsu:
* produces Compression, Transfixion, Distortion: confirms that Gust Slash is currently incorrectly attributed in most SC charts
* produces Gravitation, Transfixion, nothing: rules out #3
* produces Gravitation, Transfixion, Dark: rules out #1 and #2
* produces Gravitation, Transfixion, Distortion: rules out #1 and #3
* produces any other sequence of SCs: ???
And I was the only one firing a WS that could produce the start of a Transfixion SC - *nobody* else had that capability in the party. (Someone would have had to have been lv33+ to start it otherwise, and we were all somewhere between 23 and 25 at the time.) This rules out #2. (There was not another party in the general area that I remember, which also rules out that we got cross-spam of their SC message.)
#3 is possible, if only because this took place a couple of months ago - my memory's not great, which is why I don't have full logs or anything, but I've reported the info that I still remember, which covers jobs, weapons, and the WSes we used.
#4, however, isn't - I believe that our BLM managed to burst Stone off the first SC, although I'm not absolutely certain on this. (I do know that if the whole thing had worked out, as MNK/RDM, I would have burst Bio off of it. Worth spending ~40% of my MP to do that, I think. :->)
And yeah, I know the second one was obviously correct - I was just posting it for completeness, mostly.
I'll grant that the game glitching is one of the more likely things, although if this is reproduceable, it'll more likely than not rule this out. (Limited reproduction, however, does not confirm that the game was glitching necessarily. *No* reproduction, however, would.)
If it turns out that some of these four low-level WS chains produce lv3 SCs as the final one, it'd definitely be interesting, especially as it brings up the question of "well, since this happens, what happens when you do the WS sequence Dragon Kick > Hexa Strike > Cross Reaper > Swift Blade?" (You should get, unless there ARE lv4 SCs implemented, Light, nothing, Dark; however, it'd be an interesting one to test out. :->)
[Edit: Aden, looked at your SC chart, and in the block with the Light-element BG, you have, under Gun WSes, "Detorantor". Might want to fix that typo for v2.3. :->]
Edited, Thu Sep 2 03:47:50 2004 by MDenham