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#1 Jan 08 2005 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I don't expect many replies...
ok maybe I do.

And I don't expect much sympathy...
ok I really want that too...

This is just something that has been dwelling in my mind since this afternoon, and I feel I should get it out in the open before I do anything stupid. This is also a question to anyone who will bother to read this...of whom I'm truly thankful to. This is a question of party leadership and what you would do in a situation. My story starts in the mid-afternoon:

I was really, really hyped up and ready to go. Being a WHM, I had just reached level 50 and finished my Genkai with the help of a High level Paladin, White Mage and Red Mage, all of whom were really nice. I farmed my butt off the past few weeks, so I can afford my Dark Staff, Light Staff and a Curaga III...so thats a good 300k from my purse. Needless to say I was a little upset by the sudden loss of gil, but I believe it was a good investment for today. I wanted to get from 50 - 51 today and use all 3 of these nice items ^^

As soon as I placed my flag up, I was promptly invited (Prompt being about 15 minutes for me) So i'm pretty darn excited. The leader wanted to level in the Crawler's Nest, so I was like..."CN?". He said we could get some exp chaining beetles there, so I figure, why not. So the group gathers up at CN, and we walk through it, RDM and WHM are sneaking and invising. Same old routine.

We arrived at camp, and before I could put my reraise up, a beetle is pulled. I'm like, ok cool, I'll do it soon after. Then a Rumble Crawlers aggroes and links. I'm healing everyone up as fast as I can, as they all seem to be taking alot of damage. Crawler comes up to me. 3 hits later...
Rialia is defeated by Rumbler Crawler
*Level Down*

Two members quickly disband after finishing up the beasts and warp straight out: One of whom was killed too, so I don't blame him. The other three stayed and called for a raise, nice of them.

So I tell myself, "Ok, so I'm down 770 exp...no biggie...I can gain it back real fast and still reach my goal today". We fight an exory, kill it for 50 exp and I level up to 50 again. We gather a party up for Kuftov Tunnel, expecting perhaps better luck there. We find a good PLD tank and another RDM there for replacement, so I Altepa, Rabao then Choco to the Tunnels.

We arrive at Kuftov Tunnels where we find a nice camp inside. Its my first time here, so I'm trying to be as cautious as I can. We pull a nice crabby, all is going well...until an Air Elemental manages to sniff out the last cure I got in on the Tank. 1..2...3...
Rialia is defeated by Air Elemental.
*level down*

So I tell myself, "Ok, so I'm down another 770 exp...no biggie...I can still gain it back real fast and still reach my goal today". So I'm raised. The PLD, suggests that perhaps we were still too low for this place. So the party agrees and we are one by one Warp II'ed back to Jeuno.

So now, we try Garliage Citadel. I always have horrid memories of this place...(Two Words: Jet Stream - "Stupid WHM, can't heal fast, lolerz! ; ;) But we take the party there anyways. We arrive, and we begin pulling beetles here. They weren't too bad. 100-150 mostly...its not great, but its decent enough for me to stay. And so we're actually doing pretty nice, chaining for good exp. However, the PLD and BLM tell us they have to leave, so they both leave at the same time, the BLM giving us a replacement to wait for. The PLD transfers leader to me.

; ;

Let me just say first off, I dislike being the leader of a party. Searching and negotiating for someone to party isn't my forte. But for some reason, I decided today, I was gonna do it. And now I kind of regret it. I spend the next half hour trying to find a good tank. The party asks for PLD or NIN no less. And unfortunatley, no one was seeking. I began sensing a bit of frustration, either from myself and/or the party, so I promtly ask them to help me search for one.

I'm not one to name names, as you can tell. I don't feel its right to do that and tarnish one's reputation or lead to negative feelings. So I find a NIN/WAR after a good half hour. I send a tell, "Party? Garliage Citadel" She says no after, I say ok. Doesn't want to party here, ok. Cool. In my deperation, I look for tanks that are not currently seeking but not in a party. I ask around, to no avail.

My party then asks me, maybe the NIN/WAR I asked earlier would like to party somewhere else. So I ask. A few minutes later, she finally responds. "I dunno" She just doesn't want to party in Garliage Citadel. So I suggest to my party maybe we should try Kustov Tunnel again. So they said, "Anywhere so long as they get exp".

So I tell the NIN/WAR "Kuftal Tunnel". We wait. And wait for a response. Its been a good 5 minutes or so since I asked, and everyone is getting desparate. And then one of my party members tells me that they found a PLD who was willing to party with us and is on his way. I say great! Just when I'm about to send a tell to the NIN/WAR telling them nevermind, she finally responds with an Ok.

So I tell her, I'm Sorry, we found a tank already.
So she calls me a moron, welcomes to me to her black list and proceeds to curse at me a bit, telling me that as a party leader, I should be responsible for this, and that either we invite her or never expect me to party with her ever. She didn't accept my apologies and called it "BS"

*sigh*

Being a frequent forum poster, I recognized her name. I don't remember where or in what context, but if I remember them, it usually means they were a respectable player that posted on these forums.

My thoughts at the time were that if I were to tell the other guy to stop and that we found another tank, it would be just as unfair as it was for the NIN/WAR. But thats just my thoughts.

Anyway, maybe this whole thing WAS my fault and that I should have been more responsible as a leader of a party. I wasn't expecting such a response, nor was I ever expecting such a day to start off so...bad I guess.

Basic Summary of why I'm discouraged: 2 Deaths and a Blacklist...

So now I feel terrible. I just want to know from people, how you would handle the situation and what you would do. I feel too down for this kind of thing, and I want to know what I should have done as a leader, should I ever choose to be one again.

My party continued to do well over the next few hours, and we pulled in semi-decent experience. All the party members were great though, and I believe they did a fantastic job. I'm the kind of person who like to send a tell to someone in the party telling them that I appreciate what they're doing. I didn;t get to 51 though...and I still feel bad and noobish.

I appreciate anyones thoughts. If that person sees this post, again I say I'm truly sorry, and I don't intend for anything like that to happen again. I only wish to play for fun and to improve my character in the best way possible, as I believe that to be everyones goal. If you could give me your views on the situation, I would appreciate that too. I hope you understand that I didn't intend to insult you or waste your time like that.

Now thats out of the way, I feel a little better now...If you managed to read this. Thank you for doing so ^^

*hug-hug*




Edited, Sun Jan 9 00:37:49 2005 by misatochan
#2 Jan 08 2005 at 10:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's my outlook. I understand what it's like to reach level 50 multiple times. I did it 3 or 4 times in a day. That's just unfortunate. As for the NIN who blisted you, I think that person was too hasty. First of all, it wasn't you who wasted her time, it seemed to be her that wasted your time. She didn't make a decision fast enough, and as soon as you had someone on the way willing to go, that would pretty much nullify your outstanding offer, at least in my eyes. Let me give an example. Suppose you are bazaaring (insert item here) for (insert price here). Someone checks your bazaar and sends you a tell asking if you'd take a slightly lower price. You say ok, but before you can take it off your bazaar, someone else checks you and buys the item. Your options would be to apologize to the first person and explain, or ask the second person for the item back because of the first offer. I don't know about anyone else, but I do not think it would be right to ask for that item back. Partying, like bazaaring, to me, is a first come, first served basis. The first person to say, "I'll join," should have first rights to joining. Some may disagree with me, but the NIN was just out of luck and unjustly blisted you.
#3 Jan 08 2005 at 11:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I believe in this situation you were 100% in the right, the only one who was wrong wasd the Ninja, if they have you wait 5 minutes for a reply as simple as "Ok" then you say you 'already have someone, sorry' if they are rude to you afterwards then they're people you probably wouldn't like partying with. I do hope you have better experiences later, and I wish you good luck with it.
#4 Jan 09 2005 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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So I tell the NIN/WAR "Kustav Tunnel". We wait. And wait for a response. Its been a good 5 minutes or so since I asked, and everyone is getting desparate. And then one of my party members tells me that they found a PLD who was willing to party with us and is on his way. I say great! Just when I'm about to send a tell to the NIN/WAR telling them nevermind, she finally responds with an Ok.
Did Kuftal and Gustav form into one, uber tunnel when I wasn't looking? Kickass, now I get to be killed by Guivre and Wyvernpoacher.
#5 Jan 09 2005 at 1:31 AM Rating: Good
Solution to bad day: Go sit in front of a taru and watch it dance for 5 minutes. Bad day absolved. OR if youre a taru, dance yourself up for 5 minutes in lower jeuno. you will feel a lot better when ppl start cheering you on. :)

Being a leader is tough (had to be leader for a lot of parties pre-30 b/c of my thf ;_;).. part of being a leader is standing by your decisions regardless of how they turn out. As far as i saw, the nin didnt reply, and had already said no to you once. You snooze you lose. She had enough oppertunity to say yes, so dont worry too much about her. Too bad about the deaths, but at least you didnt end up with less xp then u started. slow progress is still progress ^^
#6 Jan 09 2005 at 1:32 AM Rating: Good
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You did nothing wrong. If I was you I would said something like this if the Ninja didn't reply right away. "If you don't like to party, please let me know so we'll look for another." But never the less you didn't do anything wrong. And if I'm not a leader and looking for members, I would let the leader know before talking to someone for partying. But that's just the way I do it. I had your kind of situation before, but none was like that Ninja. Usually they just send a tell back to something like this "Ok, maybe next time. Good luck! ^^" I know I did that when I got tells for party while I was AFK. So don't feel bad, it wasn't your fault. But the death part kind of sucked, and leaving party upon first death... that sucks too.
#7 Jan 09 2005 at 1:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Let me just say first off, I dislike being the leader of a party. Searching and negotiating for someone to party isn't my forte. But for some reason, I decided today, I was gonna do it. And now I kind of regret it. I spend the next half hour trying to find a good tank. The party asks for PLD or NIN no less.


I can understand this completely. I hate being leader, too. But I'm always leader. Why? I'm not sure. Some people have said I seem to know what I'm doing or am taking charge. I'm pretty good at putting a party together, but I'm very bad at leading them (Luckily I've bumped into a sweet JP player who is good at finding places for us to go :3 We've worked together the last two times putting the party together and going and they've been some of the best parties I've been in).

Now, about inviting a NIN, having a long time before a response and getting someone else. I think most people -should- know that people won't wait forever on them. How should you know the NIN didn't go idle after you asked the first time? You should wait a minute or so for a response (I think 5 minutes it quite a bit of time, actually, when all you're waiting for is a short message). If they don't respond, it's been my experience, that they usually ask if there's a spot still open. "Sorry, I was AFK, is there still a spot there?" That sort of thing.
An simple apology with an explanation should suffice. "Sorry, I thought you were gone so we invited someone else." "Sorry, it was awhile before you responded so I thought you weren't interested." That should do, and I think any reasonable or mature person would understand, just like I understand when I want to party with a friend that most parties don't have 2 slots open at once.

It was out of line for the Ninja to be upset at you like that. Maybe a little irritation would be understandable, because of a miscommunication. But don't worry about what you did. And don't worry about asking non-seeking people, either. As a BRD I've gotten invites tons of times when I'm not seeking, and it doesn't bother me. I just tell them "No thanks" or go ahead and go; they're not hurting me or anything and it's my own fault for not being /anon. Not to mention some people might not want to put up a seek flag (maybe they have a bazaar that they want people to notice). I see people with search comments and no seeking flags all the time.

Maybe the person was having a bad day. Regardless, they had no reason to be so upset with you. So don't worry about it, you were ok.
#8 Jan 09 2005 at 2:53 AM Rating: Good
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My day can be summed up like this. Hoo Mjuu mother f'in Torrent is a douche bag. 4 kills...4 scrolls of deodorize. >.<
#9 Jan 09 2005 at 3:18 AM Rating: Excellent
I can only post from my experience, based on how I would handle it if I were in your situation based on your description of it.

So I'll pretend for a second...I'm lvl 50...I've got some cool stuff for me waiting until I hit 51, and my first outting...splat...delevel to 49. OK...best hope it was a freak accident and not party stupidity.

So I find a new group...move camps...get my level back...splat. Back to 49. From your description, it just sounds like a bad camp location. That kind of thing happens from time to time, especially when you haven't been there before.

So once again, I move camps, get things rolling, get my level back, people have to leave. It happens. No problem. Someone passes lead to me and I have to find a tank. Fair enough. I find a NIN/WAR and ask them if they're interested in joining us. Long delay, half-assed reply...ok. I know what it's like when I wouldn't mind an exp group (even if I'm not seeking) but the place they invite me to isn't exactly inspiring. I can live with that (and would understand it as a leader).

So you move on and keep searching and the rest of the party says, "Hey, maybe the half-assed responding NIN/WAR would join us if we moved camps!" So I try again.

Now the clock is ticking. The ball is in their court. I don't care if they had to use the restroom, walk the dog, bathe their grandmother, or were afk for any other reason. I don't care if they saw my /tell the second I sent it and had to take a second to swirl their thumb around the inside of their colon a little longer before they could formulate an appropriate response. There is no one player, there is no one job, that I will wait longer than 60 seconds for a response from before I start considering other options. I have a party waiting for me and expecting results. Even if I just sent the /tell inviting my best friend to the party, if they don't respond in a prompt fashion, I can't wait for them.

So here I am...I've got things I want to accomplish, I've hit a few bumps along the way, I've sent an invite to someone who isn't responding and all of a sudden...HU-ZAH!! A tank is found who is willing to join. 10 seconds later the NIN/WAR has finished bathing Grandma or has washed off their thumb and gets back to me with another half-assed reply, acting like god's gift to the role of a tank, and they want to get uppity with me because they were asleep at the switch and made me wait around for their almighty presence to acknoledge my /tell?

I'd rip them a new a$$hole. Then I'd blacklist them. Then, 10 minutes later, I'd UN-blacklist them, make sure their new a$$hole was still bleeding, and blacklist them again. Someone who wants to give you grief because they deemed it was your obligation to wait on their august presence is not someone you want to associate with in the first place.

I'm a cantankerous monkey, make no mistake. But at least I save my criticisms for parties that I have already joined and who failed in their objective because they were lacking and unprepared. Someone who makes you wait 5 minutes before they even reply to a /tell inviting them to your party and then tries to give you grief because other options presented themselves makes me look like a papal candidate.

Give them a t(>.<t) and go about your business.

Have fun, good luck reaching 51, and for the love of pete, stand up for yourself ^^
#10 Jan 09 2005 at 3:31 AM Rating: Good
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Despite all the flames I'm most likely to get for this I'll be honest with you.

What I would do is not let that happen in the first place. The way to do that is get a good PT.

The majority of my PTs, or nearly all of them infact, are JP. I'm more than often the only English player in my parties now.

These players take time to form a party, and if someone has to leave the party will disband and everyone will go back to Jeuno.

Back when I was an ultra noob I couldn't STAND it when that happened, but now I see why they do it.

It's to be more organized. I would rather wait an extra 30-60 minutes just to find ONE member and get an awesome row of chains rather then rush together a PT and get killed and delevelled, MULTIPLE times.

A lot of you players like to rush things when you are leader, you should know why PTs end up like that.

If people don't want to wait for you while you finda suitable member for your PT they shouldn't be in your PT altogether.

Just my 2G.
#11 Jan 09 2005 at 3:56 AM Rating: Good
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I know how you feel. Levels 50 and pretty much 51 are so annoying. It takes forever to level up any more at Garleige at 50 and Kuftal is tough at 50 and 51. The best option IMO is to try to entrance to Quicksands Caves in West Altepa. As a pld I'm always dying, and no matter if you're in a good party there are always those freak accidents. My first time in Kuftal was so terrible. We were on taking a little stroll to the Guivere camp and my sneak wore off and a Haunt killed me. I got a raise then it killed me again. I got another raise and it killed me again. You just gotta keep on keepin on. I wasn't really mad because I just died 3 times, but I was more shocked. It gets annoying but it usually gets worse before it gets better. You'll find a good party eventually, and you will just look back on bad times like that and laugh. I think the OP was right and that NIN overreacted. I hate when I have to leave a party because it seems like the only replacements I can ever find are snotty NA nins. It's weird how most of the JP one i talk to are cool. But anyway I hope it gets better for ya and you get your exp back. I think SE should make something to where you can automatically tell what kind of person you are talking to. If they are an ***, no reason to say anything. If they are cool you can party with em. I'm sorry bout the rant. Good Luck though.^^
#12 Jan 09 2005 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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ImperialNinja wrote:
It's to be more organized. I would rather wait an extra 30-60 minutes just to find ONE member and get an awesome row of chains rather then rush together a PT and get killed and delevelled, MULTIPLE times


I.N., I would agree with you, except for one paragraph in the original post..

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And wait for a response. Its been a good 5 minutes or so since I asked, and everyone is getting desparate. And then one of my party members tells me that they found a PLD who was willing to party with us and is on his way.


In fact, they were waiting (if I see read this story right) on the NIN to respond to the leader, while another party member took a little initiative to see if there were any other adequate members who could possibly fill the spot as well as the Ninja could.

So I don't see how you can fault the o.p. on this one.
#13 Jan 09 2005 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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Imperial, rated you back up because, even though you're talking about 'how JPs do it', I see what you're saying. I don't party with only JP players by any means, but quite often I have a mix. When someone has to leave, I'm aware that JP usually break off the entire party so I'll ask if they want to disband or find another member. Usually it's no problem to disband. Just because one person HAS to leave doesn't mean other members aren't also saying, "I'm kind of tired" "I should check my AH stuff" "I need to get more food" etc etc. So far neither NA nor JP have given any problems about us disbanding when someone has to go, nor have they given any problems when we see if we can find a replacement.

I think that in her situation she had already spent awhile trying to form the party. It doesn't sound to me as if she was rushing. She may have been worried about people getting tired of waiting, and it is a little odd that someone would invite without telling the party.
Either way, concerning the ninja, I don't think she was in the wrong.
#14 Jan 09 2005 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
The ninja who didn't reply until you had another tank lined up, four words: You snoooze, you lose! You're not a mind reader, you can't tell if he's pondering the offer or has left the convo or what have you and blisting you was just immature. When I'm leader and I end up asking more than one person to join, first person to speak up gets the spot. I can't be sitting all day long wondering whether or not someone's awake.

Blisting people is a last resort only for me. I've only done it once. (To a whm who spams absolutely non-stop with teleports in Jeuno. Seriously, every time I go there without exception, he was there spamming every 5 seconds. It was driving me insane and making communications difficult with my chat box constantly flooded)

And I've had my share of days where every party I go to seems to have woken up stupid. Had a puller in one who did not do a single single SINGLE pull correctly! Every single one ended in a disastrous link. We eventually had to tele out, I had used invincible and whm was too chicken to save me. So I died, they all got out, I stated how unsatisfied I was with their performance and disbanded.

Edited, Sun Jan 9 12:02:39 2005 by Yunoh
#15 Jan 09 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I don't expect many replies...
ok maybe I do.

And I don't expect much sympathy...
ok I really want that too


I am sorry you nad a "no good, very bad day".

One other point. I would like it to be a courtesy..a norm if you will that they do not pass the leadership of a party without asking. If you had wanted to be a party leader. you would have started your own.
As to the ninja: I hope she reads on this forum, and rethinks her position. the other posters are right. She put you and and took your time. She hasn't got an all day open invitation.
I know if I have walked away from the computer and come back with an invite I always make sure with the person that asked that they still have an open position. They do.. nice. If not.. my loss.
I hope it gets better..and I hope you get to 51 soon :-)
#16 Jan 09 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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In my opinion, you should have blisted that ninja...Seriously, that ninja shouldn't have flipped out on you and said your apology was bs. If she wanted to pt she should have replied faster... As furrp said, "First come, first serve". I for one normally choose to be the leader of a party. Ever since I unlocked pld, I've always made my own parties. On some occasions I make the wrong decision (Going to an area too high for my party which leads to death) and I apologised for it. If I'm not too sure where to head out to, I normally ask where the party feels comfortable fighting. If I get no replies to my question then I make my suggestion and see how it goes from there. As a leader you should never get desperate when seeking for members and make the wrong decision in your invite. If you start getting restless it means you should take a break from exping. Normally if you rush a pt expect death. I remember similar days like yours, where I just wanted to get a party started so bad and then have everything turn and blow up in my face. I learnt if the first exp run fails to a point of no recovery and tensions run high, to take a break from exping to give your nerves time to calm. I found if you exp while agitated/tired/depressed your party doesn't run well.

Lol rambled a little too much there... Well my point is, relax and don't exp because you NEED to get to a certain lvl, exp because you WANT to enjoy fighting alongside five others to pwn anything within a 10 lvl range (^_^);

I hope my reply helps you in your future decisions, and good luck to you and all others who dropped by this thread
#17 Jan 09 2005 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh and for lvl 50 I greatly recommend Crawler's nest. Get a party line up of WHM BLM RDM TANK DISTORTION DD and DISTORTION DD. I got 52 in less than 2 days because of that line up. If your blm is 50 he should have freeze if I'm not mistaken, which makes an amazing MB to a Distortion SC. I recommend PLD tank for those beetles because if the beetle doesn't die right away then you'll need Cover. In CN, the camp for that spot would be passed the Exoray room on the opposite wall in a huge tunnel (at the end of the tunnel you'll find the beetles). Every so often you will get a tough Crawler pop in the tunnel(Don't know exact spawn time) so be sure to have rdm or blm sleep it so you can carry on chaining.
#18 Jan 09 2005 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
This is a slightly-unrelated point, but I figure it belongs somewhere in this thread.

Over the span of three days as a SMN36, I received four invites. Three of them abandoned me before I reached Crawler's Nest, and the fourth disbanded after one fight.

All three of the people invited me said "Sorry, the leader invited someone else. Good luck."

If you are the party leader, your name appears in bright yellow in the /search box. If you do not want the player for whatever reason, at least show them a little respect and be honest with them.

I can't imagine this happening too often with a premium job like a NIN/WAR, but there are a lot of nasty party leaders in this game who'll abandon someone they invited because someone is closer to camp, a friend of someone in the party, or some other reason... usually the result of impatience or selfishness.

Chances are the NIN/WAR mistook you for one of these selfish or impatient party leaders. People are often blind to their own flaws in this game, often times doing whatever they can to blame it on someone else. Even though they went AFK for whatever reason, they still tried to pin the blame on you to justify their frustration.

But as many people already said, I don't think you're at fault. He was wasting your time; most likely negotiating with many other party leaders simultaneously. The fact that he responded "i dunno" to your question about where to party should tip you off to the fact that this guy isn't about to lift any unnecessary fingers, so your party was better off without him.

In my opinion, everyone is going to be /blisted at some point or another. You could be a PLD75 who sits in Jeuno for weeks on end just helping people with Genkai, and you'll get /blisted by some punk RNG that's pissed because you keep stealing all "his" Exorays. Don't take it personally.
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#19 Jan 09 2005 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Well I know how it feels to level down to 50-> 49 over and over again (Taber Beaks suck), but that NIN must have really been a nut. On the server I was in I got invites and then I got /tells like "Sorry we found another person who we asked first". I just said "Ok no problem with me." because I farmed while LFP. Well I was in that situation once...Our RDM dc/ed for a long time so I invited one to come to Gustav and then the other RDM popped back. I told the RDM I was sorry and the RDM said "Whatever man" or something like that. But when I get mad or have a bad day I'd just do a Ballista or camp an NM so I forget about those problems. Sorry you had a bad day and hope you get to 51 :)
#20 Jan 09 2005 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
as a frequent pt leader I've had a number of occasions where players AFK or other reasons dont respond for a while to a pt request if I've filled the spot prior to them responding I simply say " sorry we filled that spot since I hadnt heard from you" I've yet to have a player trip on me for it.
#21 Jan 09 2005 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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Oh and for lvl 50 I greatly recommend Crawler's nest. Get a party line up of WHM BLM RDM TANK DISTORTION DD and DISTORTION DD. I got 52 in less than 2 days because of that line up. If your blm is 50 he should have freeze if I'm not mistaken, which makes an amazing MB to a Distortion SC. I recommend PLD tank for those beetles because if the beetle doesn't die right away then you'll need Cover. In CN, the camp for that spot would be passed the Exoray room on the opposite wall in a huge tunnel (at the end of the tunnel you'll find the beetles). Every so often you will get a tough Crawler pop in the tunnel(Don't know exact spawn time) so be sure to have rdm or blm sleep it so you can carry on chaining


I also stayed in the CN til Lv52. Instead of fighting Beetles as our main foe we went for Knight Crawlers. You have to go into the northern section of the CN instead of the southern area with the big, open room. However, this is a good thing.

It take a few more minutes to get to camp but once there I doubt you will have any competition for mons. I never saw another PT up there hunting. Also, if you happen to have a coffer in CN then this camp is great! Most of the coffer spawn points are in this section of the CN and Knights, along with the beetles, drop the keys needed.

We then did Quicksand Caves entrance from 52-53, the Tomb from 53-54, and on and on...

In regards to your situation, I feel for you! The attitude that some people have is depressing but dont let them get you down.

I would also suggest trying to find or start a static PT if that fits your playing habits.

Anyway, good luck to you and hang in there.
#22 Jan 09 2005 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
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Over the span of three days as a SMN36, I received four invites. Three of them abandoned me before I reached Crawler's Nest, and the fourth disbanded after one fight.

All three of the people invited me said "Sorry, the leader invited someone else. Good luck."


That's very sad. SMNs must be one of the most misunderstood classes in the game.

I remember inviting a SMN before and one of the first things I had to tell them was "I DON'T expect you to be main healer, you're a DD". We had plenty of healing. I think that was the most excited summoner ever.

I'm not sure how you can get around it, though. Unfortunately, as a BRD (being a major support class), and SMNs also being a major support class, I don't often party with SMNs (too much support!). I wouldn't invite a SMN for main healing unless absolutely necessary, but I know that's how it usually works and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
#23 Jan 09 2005 at 11:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't feel bad. Someone who Blists you just because they didn't get invited to your party is a stuck-up brat. First the person didn't want to come join your party, then when you convince them to, they take forever to answer? You were the victim in this situation. If this person wanted a place in your party they shouldn't have said no in the first place.

Don't feel bad about the deaths, either. Sometimes, things happen that you can't control. Don't blame yourself for something that goes wrong that obviously was way beyond anyone's control.

Speaking from a leader perspective, I take what's there, and if there is a decision that must be made over two people joining, I take the one that wants to join first. If the person said no and changes their mind, well, they shouldn't have said no in the first place. If they take an hour to answer, that sucks for them. They're not going to be getting invites from me if they're AFK and can't come right away; some of us have only so much time to play.

I'm usually very polite to people that I turn down (turning down people is a rare event that happens only in circumstances like the ones you were in, or the person in question is a known gimp and a member alerts me of this fact). If they choose to berate me for turning them down, too bad for them. I won't be inviting them ever again. If they take it like a mature person, though, I might consider them when I have room again (if they aren't a known gimp).

See, people who get mad over little things like that only ***** themselves in the long run.

Edited, Sun Jan 9 23:38:44 2005 by JmacAttack
#24 Jan 10 2005 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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It's to be more organized. I would rather wait an extra 30-60 minutes just to find ONE member and get an awesome row of chains rather then rush together a PT and get killed and delevelled, MULTIPLE times.


Unfortunately some people can't find that kind of time.

It's too bad really :(
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