Hiya all.
I have PLD job and of course use WAR as sub, for a few days I reached 40 and my was 20 so now it's time to level WAR and first level 20-21 I used PLD for sub and was thinking that it's not a wary useful sub because it's hard to hold hate.
So I changed sub and is now using RNG. First of I wanted to check if I could hit IT monsters often an it showed out that I can indeed, I use Crossbow +1 45k in fairy server and acid bolts, Beetle Ring +1 X 2 Sole Sushi food and grand sword and actually I was becoming a hate magnet some times because grand sword deals descent damage but is slow and while I wait for next blow I can use X-bow a couple times with acid bolts who deals 30-40 damage pr hit and lower defence.
I don’t see many WAR/RNG out there, maybe it’s because RNG don’t level WAR for sub I don’t know but my experience from 21-25 is that it’s a nice sub and it will hopefully work all the way to 37 if I go so far. I don’t know if ranged accuracy becomes a problem later on but I see DRK who uses X-bow and have a nice hit rate so why not a WAR to.
Warning, this sub is expensive. If you use Sole Sushi expect a stack to cost about 35k and Acid Bolts cost around 5,5 – 7k pr stack, other types of bolts are also useful like Blood Bolts who can suck HP out of monster to you, wary nice ^^
A nice thing at level 25 WAR/RNG is to kill tough and even worms, I actually soloed EXP chain #5 wow, nice exp usind Heavy Crossbow, Blood Bolts to recover HP from Stone, Stone II and Stonaga and for dammage I also used Poison Dart's.
What is your experience with WAR/RNG?
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I think you're right. If you have kept your Marksman or Archery capped (or close) then you should be alright (throw in some Ranged Accuracy equipment if needed). Sharpshot ability also helps you hit the mob at later levels. But you might want to consider a fast bow or one that is the right delay for your greatsword as the bow does alot more damage. I salute you for beeing different! I love to see more variety out there.
I am an Elvan THF/RNG (45/22 at the moment). For various reasons. I can actively help the Party using Acid/Bloody Bolts to lower those high defense mobs or give the WHM a break on wasting Cure on me. I also like the fact that i can deliver some nice blows to mobs and get my TP up faster for SATA-VB and Skillchains. One other reason is Widescan to find mobs or evade aggro on way back. And last but not least, i give a %$#@ about what everyone says /NIN beeing the best, ueber sub for THF (or RNG). I like to play my character the way I see him, this is a Role Playing game after all. And i am the sneaky poacher hiding in the woods backstabbing beastmen and hunting down profitable prey.
Muadib
I am an Elvan THF/RNG (45/22 at the moment). For various reasons. I can actively help the Party using Acid/Bloody Bolts to lower those high defense mobs or give the WHM a break on wasting Cure on me. I also like the fact that i can deliver some nice blows to mobs and get my TP up faster for SATA-VB and Skillchains. One other reason is Widescan to find mobs or evade aggro on way back. And last but not least, i give a %$#@ about what everyone says /NIN beeing the best, ueber sub for THF (or RNG). I like to play my character the way I see him, this is a Role Playing game after all. And i am the sneaky poacher hiding in the woods backstabbing beastmen and hunting down profitable prey.
Muadib
Excactly Muadib
I as WAR/RNG dont miss mutch and unless monster is IT++ I build up TP fast and can use it for Grand Sword weapon skill. A good thing is that my Markmanship skill is capped or 1 level below capped everytime I level so that in not a problem, a few fights after I level and it's capped again. I also have Grand Sword skill capped so I have a good hit hate.
I use ranged acc equip to help out and ranged acc food and dex boost. So far I have being dealing so much dammage in pt that I pull of hate from even a Paladin tank so with the right equipment for WAR/RNG I say it works.
Go for it ^^
I as WAR/RNG dont miss mutch and unless monster is IT++ I build up TP fast and can use it for Grand Sword weapon skill. A good thing is that my Markmanship skill is capped or 1 level below capped everytime I level so that in not a problem, a few fights after I level and it's capped again. I also have Grand Sword skill capped so I have a good hit hate.
I use ranged acc equip to help out and ranged acc food and dex boost. So far I have being dealing so much dammage in pt that I pull of hate from even a Paladin tank so with the right equipment for WAR/RNG I say it works.
Go for it ^^
war/rng isn't an ideal job/subjob combo, but the way you describe it makes it seem to work. The only reason it works is because of the sushi for racc. War has a C in x-bow (I think), so as you lvl up, your acc will decrease to the point where it becomes useless. It will cost you more than war/mnk, or war/thf at 30, so you're only making things harder for you.
Edited, Tue Apr 19 12:39:48 2005 by Valrath
Edited, Tue Apr 19 12:39:48 2005 by Valrath
You maybe right Valrath.
Sole Sushi is good food but Windurstian Salad works out to.
Windurst Salad cost about 2k each and last for 180min
Food effect is:
MP +20
HP Regeneration While Healing +3
Vitality -1
Agility +5
Ranged Accuracy
I dont know, maybe acc wil drop to much and be useless later but right now it's a nice way to level my subjob :o)
Sole Sushi:
Strength +5
Dexterity +6
Mind -1
Resist Sleep
Accuracy +15%
HP +20
Ranged Accuracy +15%
Sole Sushi is good food but Windurstian Salad works out to.
Windurst Salad cost about 2k each and last for 180min
Food effect is:
MP +20
HP Regeneration While Healing +3
Vitality -1
Agility +5
Ranged Accuracy
I dont know, maybe acc wil drop to much and be useless later but right now it's a nice way to level my subjob :o)
Sole Sushi:
Strength +5
Dexterity +6
Mind -1
Resist Sleep
Accuracy +15%
HP +20
Ranged Accuracy +15%
The only problem with WAR/RNG (as opposed to THF/RNG or SAM/RNG) is that WAR has a D in Marksmanship and Archery. By level 25, you'll have 10 less accuracy than a RNG (4 less accuracy than a THF/RNG or SAM/RNG), and it won't get any better. If the price of all your wasted ammo (the extra misses) doesn't deter you, it can work.
From a SAM/RNG in my LS, he can hit reliably with regular /ra's and {Barrage} without having {Sharpshot} up, but he only uses {Sidewinder} with {Sharpshot}.
From a SAM/RNG in my LS, he can hit reliably with regular /ra's and {Barrage} without having {Sharpshot} up, but he only uses {Sidewinder} with {Sharpshot}.
#7REDACTED,
Posted: Apr 19 2005 at 11:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WAR/RNG is just ********* please don't xD
You do know that WAR has a D ranking in marksmanship and archery. Trying to up your stats in a field where your rank is less than C is pointless. No ammount of gear will change the fact that your D rank. You will hit the mob less for less dammage.
If you have RNG leveled that must mean you have NIN leveled. Use NIN sub. It's MUCH more effective.
Please. Don't WAR/RNG in EXP party's. At the verry least WAR/MNK. It's a MUCH better tank.
Edited, Tue Apr 19 12:50:15 2005 by Alrefie
If you have RNG leveled that must mean you have NIN leveled. Use NIN sub. It's MUCH more effective.
Please. Don't WAR/RNG in EXP party's. At the verry least WAR/MNK. It's a MUCH better tank.
Edited, Tue Apr 19 12:50:15 2005 by Alrefie
Yeah but for me it works right now. I have ranger job leveled to 35 so it's not like im want to be ranger but just want to level subjob WAR.
MNK no I dont have that job leveled.
NIN no I dont have that job leveled.
PLD actually a bad sub for WAR I think.
MNK no I dont have that job leveled.
NIN no I dont have that job leveled.
PLD actually a bad sub for WAR I think.
#10REDACTED,
Posted: Apr 19 2005 at 12:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hmmm... well, depend.
The way I look at this is two fold:
1. Play how you wish it's your money you're spending.
2. /RNG in general opens up more versitility on skill chaining.
Yes, WAR has low marks on ranged weapons however if you can compensate the disadvantage with proper gear and food it should be ok.
To the OP:
I'm guessing you're viewing this combo as a DD over a tank. If that's the case then great. If you are wanting to tank then you may have issues with the ability to keep hate down the road since you'd be trying to focus on too many things through your equipment and food. Focusing on defense and damage vs ranged stats may cause you to lose hate.
Nonetheless if it is working now for you then I hope that it keeps working for others as well since I have issues finding DDs and not tanks usually when I party at lower levels.
1. Play how you wish it's your money you're spending.
2. /RNG in general opens up more versitility on skill chaining.
Yes, WAR has low marks on ranged weapons however if you can compensate the disadvantage with proper gear and food it should be ok.
To the OP:
I'm guessing you're viewing this combo as a DD over a tank. If that's the case then great. If you are wanting to tank then you may have issues with the ability to keep hate down the road since you'd be trying to focus on too many things through your equipment and food. Focusing on defense and damage vs ranged stats may cause you to lose hate.
Nonetheless if it is working now for you then I hope that it keeps working for others as well since I have issues finding DDs and not tanks usually when I party at lower levels.
RNG is a good sub if you're just levelling warrior to sub. The passive accuracy boost is nice and you can use status bolt hotness until 37 without too many accuracy problems.
It's not ideal but it works really well in that level range.
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Edited to say that pokepoke is worthless and stupid.
Edited, Tue Apr 19 13:12:41 2005 by Taosaade
It's not ideal but it works really well in that level range.
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Edited to say that pokepoke is worthless and stupid.
Edited, Tue Apr 19 13:12:41 2005 by Taosaade
dont let these jackasses rain on your parade, they're just those types who see something different that they've never tried and try to come off like they know more than you
you guys spouting off ******** like "WAR is rank D in marksmanship! noob!" are failing to see the big picture here, he's level 25 WAR, what's the skill gap between C & D at 25? lets have a look
25 WAR (D): Skill Cap 68
25 NIN (C): Skill Cap 72
ignore the people saying it WONT work, when you obviously found that it works fine, once you level up, your ranged accuracy will begin to suffer however, as the skill gaps between each "grade" increases (not too much until the 40's though)
you guys spouting off ******** like "WAR is rank D in marksmanship! noob!" are failing to see the big picture here, he's level 25 WAR, what's the skill gap between C & D at 25? lets have a look
25 WAR (D): Skill Cap 68
25 NIN (C): Skill Cap 72
ignore the people saying it WONT work, when you obviously found that it works fine, once you level up, your ranged accuracy will begin to suffer however, as the skill gaps between each "grade" increases (not too much until the 40's though)
I would say that subbing RNG will help you if you are pulling as widescan can really help, especially in maze like zones.
#15REDACTED,
Posted: Apr 19 2005 at 12:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hmmm? cry me a river.
Hell you could sub drg pre 30 and do ok. Now after 30 diffrent story. But just an FYI WAR/RNG can solo to 30+ with status bolt and capped marksmanship.
Just a little advice drop the swords and pick up a great axe when you're playing warrior and by the way Sheild Break will only help you land the bolt more often.
After 30 though you'll have to conform to get a PT that means /thf, /nin, or /mnk (if your server still has sane people with an IQ>=10).
Check the War Forum Stickes for more information and nifty guides.
Just a little advice drop the swords and pick up a great axe when you're playing warrior and by the way Sheild Break will only help you land the bolt more often.
After 30 though you'll have to conform to get a PT that means /thf, /nin, or /mnk (if your server still has sane people with an IQ>=10).
Check the War Forum Stickes for more information and nifty guides.
the only prob with the combo, is it doesnt offer many benifits at the levels where its effective. war archery and marksmanship dont cap that high, so by around level 35 your skill cap is gonna be lower then the 15 acc of sushi can make up for, making your ranged attack all but useless. and up untill 37 people mostly want a war/nin to help tank, because most nin cant stand alone tank untill 37.
/nin gives you a chance for an invite to help tank, where as a SJ like rng gets you tossed in with the other 8 DD jobs, who will all likely get invited before you do. not many people are gonna see war/rng as a useful combo, and most will just invite another DD with a solid job/SJ combo instead. trying to gimp your way through xp with a useless SJ because you dont want to lvl a useful one is just lazyness. war/rng just doesnt offer enough to be a useful combo, using it to avoide leveling a useful SJ is just gonna hurt your pts and get you less invites and less xp.
/nin gives you a chance for an invite to help tank, where as a SJ like rng gets you tossed in with the other 8 DD jobs, who will all likely get invited before you do. not many people are gonna see war/rng as a useful combo, and most will just invite another DD with a solid job/SJ combo instead. trying to gimp your way through xp with a useless SJ because you dont want to lvl a useful one is just lazyness. war/rng just doesnt offer enough to be a useful combo, using it to avoide leveling a useful SJ is just gonna hurt your pts and get you less invites and less xp.
Aneyways, thanks for the suporters of the job combo.
As i have mentioned, I am not leveling WAR as main job only a sub job for PLD, if i were leveling WAR as main job I would deffenently chose NIN. Why would I skill up another job like NIN or NMK when I now can use RNG as sub and it works now?
By the way I subbed WAR for RNG and I was overpowered but I managed to get to level 35 easy.
Another nice thing about WAR/RNG is Berserk, it boost dammage and the nice dammage delt by X-bow gives fast TP in many cases I build up 100%+ TP twice in one battle.
As i have mentioned, I am not leveling WAR as main job only a sub job for PLD, if i were leveling WAR as main job I would deffenently chose NIN. Why would I skill up another job like NIN or NMK when I now can use RNG as sub and it works now?
By the way I subbed WAR for RNG and I was overpowered but I managed to get to level 35 easy.
Another nice thing about WAR/RNG is Berserk, it boost dammage and the nice dammage delt by X-bow gives fast TP in many cases I build up 100%+ TP twice in one battle.
war/rng is **********
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Its good until you hit about 60 I would say. Thats when you would really start to see a LOW hit rate (due to our low cap) I think we have a C or D in marksmanship, which would make our hit rate pretty horrible at 60+, but it should deffinatly last you until 37.
Hey - if you're doing enough damage to get hate then you're certainly doing something right!
Would it be possible to macro in beetle rings+1 whenever you do a /ra <t> then switch to your regular +dex, +str rings or whatever you use otherwise? I don't know exactly the commands, but I know you can do it. Have you tried this? It might help out even more.
Would it be possible to macro in beetle rings+1 whenever you do a /ra <t> then switch to your regular +dex, +str rings or whatever you use otherwise? I don't know exactly the commands, but I know you can do it. Have you tried this? It might help out even more.
If you're not tanking, WAR/RNG is definitely the best sub from 20-30. You get the accuracy bonus from /RNG, and can land acid bolt on mobs. I would recommend eating food like Dhamel Pie, and use your bolt for damage ONLY when sharpshoot is up.
You macro in your Beetle rings before you shoot. My macro is as follows :
/ra <t>
/equip R.ring "Beetle Ring +1"
/equip L.ring "Beetle Ring +1"
/wait 6
/equip R.ring "Balance Ring"
/equip L.Ring "Courage Ring"
For people who thinks that having a rating of 'D' means you can't hit anything, go out and try it for yourself : you'll be surprised at what you can hit at < lvl 30. The utility of /RNG however stops when you get past 30 - /THF for SA Sturmwind will be much better for DD.
You macro in your Beetle rings before you shoot. My macro is as follows :
/ra <t>
/equip R.ring "Beetle Ring +1"
/equip L.ring "Beetle Ring +1"
/wait 6
/equip R.ring "Balance Ring"
/equip L.Ring "Courage Ring"
For people who thinks that having a rating of 'D' means you can't hit anything, go out and try it for yourself : you'll be surprised at what you can hit at < lvl 30. The utility of /RNG however stops when you get past 30 - /THF for SA Sturmwind will be much better for DD.
I was so hopefull you were gonna say Moth Axe or Neckchopper. Oh well congratualtions on finding you niche leveling your sub-job. Have fun with it and, good luck.
its nice to know theirs still gimp warriors running around my server ><
i at least hope you have great axe leveled, or you'll just be doing second rate damage.
buttersheep, and sword weilding warriors, are the only things that make a tried and tested warrior shed a tear.
rate me down, i dont give a damn, promoting gimpness, detering others playing experience is never a good thing.
i at least hope you have great axe leveled, or you'll just be doing second rate damage.
buttersheep, and sword weilding warriors, are the only things that make a tried and tested warrior shed a tear.
rate me down, i dont give a damn, promoting gimpness, detering others playing experience is never a good thing.
RNG is the best subjob for most non-tanking melees from LV20-29.
/10RNG gives Accuracy Up trait, which adds ACC+10/RACC+10. This is a better bonus (from a DDing persepctive) than any other melee subjob will give in this level range.
/10RNG gives Accuracy Up trait, which adds ACC+10/RACC+10. This is a better bonus (from a DDing persepctive) than any other melee subjob will give in this level range.
Terraxia - RNG/COR/THF - Midgardsormr/Quetzalcoatl (boxed)
Viper Beam - ARC/CRP - Fabul
Viper Beam - ARC/CRP - Fabul
@Ruddiplayer:
and in your sig:
Ok, I am really pissed about your sig.
I really really wish that people stop thinking Warriors are ONLY for a good subjob. And you wanna know why people think that way? Because people like you give us Warriors a bad reputation. You gonna sub Rng, fine with me. Do it. You will become a wannabe Rng, but hey, you are paying for this game, its your character. And I am sure that when you see that /Mnk, /Thf, /Nin are wayyyyy far superior from you, you will say to your party: I am not leveling WAR as main job only a sub job for.. .
When I was playing Ninja as my main, I wanted to be the best Ninja outhere. Sooner or later you will have to level Warrior ("it's a nice sub job") to 37. Dont you wanna be the best? Then sub Mnk, Thf, even Ninja is better than /Rng at these levels.
And for last, I saw this:
So many posts, arguments, flames and you still using a GREAT (not grand :P) sword. Great.
P.S. You didn't even bother to post this at the Warriors forums where posters like Mumitroll, Serin, Quor can give you helpfull advises. Also one guy there have runned parsers for the War/Rng combo. But of course, you dont care. You just wanted to show off your new combo.
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I am not leveling WAR as main job only a sub job for
and in your sig:
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Warrior: 25. Raw muscles and defence, it's a nice sub job.
Ok, I am really pissed about your sig.
I really really wish that people stop thinking Warriors are ONLY for a good subjob. And you wanna know why people think that way? Because people like you give us Warriors a bad reputation. You gonna sub Rng, fine with me. Do it. You will become a wannabe Rng, but hey, you are paying for this game, its your character. And I am sure that when you see that /Mnk, /Thf, /Nin are wayyyyy far superior from you, you will say to your party: I am not leveling WAR as main job only a sub job for.. .
When I was playing Ninja as my main, I wanted to be the best Ninja outhere. Sooner or later you will have to level Warrior ("it's a nice sub job") to 37. Dont you wanna be the best? Then sub Mnk, Thf, even Ninja is better than /Rng at these levels.
And for last, I saw this:
Quote:
I was becoming a hate magnet some times because grand sword deals descent damage but is slow
So many posts, arguments, flames and you still using a GREAT (not grand :P) sword. Great.
P.S. You didn't even bother to post this at the Warriors forums where posters like Mumitroll, Serin, Quor can give you helpfull advises. Also one guy there have runned parsers for the War/Rng combo. But of course, you dont care. You just wanted to show off your new combo.
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