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#27 Sep 18 2005 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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Gau, Quistis, Quina, Enemy Skill materia... FFTA?!

Has anybody played Final Fantasy 5? That's where it all began for Blue Mages, and the job system. And it was great job, blue mage.

You really could learn all of those super overpowered moves that monsters used, but there were limitations... not ALL moves could be learned.

Also, let's not neglect Kimahri Ronso (FFX) when discussing past blue mages.
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#28 Sep 18 2005 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, and couldn't Quistis in FFVIII learn Shockwave Pulsar?
#29 Sep 18 2005 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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"imbtrthnur" wrote:

Blue mage, in every incarnation, has been terrible.



Yeah, except no.


Nice Rebuttal.
#30 Sep 18 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
Many people don't want to see blue mage to happen because they are afraid that BUM/BLU might mess up balance system of jobs.

IMO Blue Mages did pretty good in FF series.

FF5 was pretty challenge to get all of blue magics and somewhat fun.

FF6: Strago and Gau.. I rather Strago over Gau.. I never use Gau very much. =\

FF7 Materia Enemy SKills: it was allright but I don't use Enemy Skills very much in FF7

FF8: Quitis. pretty awesome (but hate FF8 battle systems)

FF9: Quina with huge fork and eat your own enemy to learn blue magic. It really crack me up to watch Guina glupped whole body of enemy to learn enemy skill.
FF10: Kimihri(spelling) It was somewhat hard because you only get some of moves from bosses =\ so i played twice to get all of blue magic.

FF10-2: Somewhat difficult and still playing this game to get all of blue magic =\ There is few magic that i missed.

FFT: pretty fun..



Edited, Sun Sep 18 11:23:16 2005 by Henisha
#31 Sep 18 2005 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Nice Rebuttal.


That comment broke my sarcasm detector. :(

Well, if you WERE being sarcastic, I saw no need to further rebut, because I knew the other folks on this forum would do a better job of explaining BLU's merits in previous FFs than I could, and they have.

All in all, BLU is one of those jobs that takes time and effort (and probably research) to get it up to its full potential, but a BLU equipped with all of his spells is a very formidable character in almost every FF they've appeared in.


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Oh, and couldn't Quistis in FFVIII learn Shockwave Pulsar?


Yes. Aside from the Eden summon, it was the only attack in the game that could hit for 5-digit damage.


As for Throat Stab/Slash, I highly doubt we're going to get that one, or any sort of "instant red HP" attack. Don't get your hopes up.


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FF10: Kimihri(spelling) It was somewhat hard because you only get some of moves from bosses =\ so i played twice to get all of blue magic.


I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that in that game it was impossible to miss any sort of Blue Magic forever. I thought that there's always some enemy you can go back to that will have it, if you've missed one.

Edited, Sun Sep 18 11:32:20 2005 by Fynlar
#32 Sep 18 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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By the time you could live through Beta in FF VII, it almost wasn't worth it anymore


With the fire elemental materia equipped, a little bit of luck, and about 12-15 attempts, I got Beta the first time I ran into the Midgar Zolom very early in the game, and it was awesome.

I always liked the Blue mages. Not always the most effective, I agree, but usually enough to make it worthwhile imho. Especially Beta and White Wind in FF7. And it was also another small challenge to get all the abilities.
#33 Sep 18 2005 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Blue Mage has always been one of my favourite jobs in FF5, FF6 (Strago for the win), FF7 (MIGHTY GUARD, YES), FF9 (Quina may be the ugliest thing ever but Blue Magic is totally awesome), FFX (Khimari had a dumbed down version of learning enemy attacks.) and FFT:A (MATRA MAGIC = OWNED).

I just love to collect monster abilities and use it against them. Some monster abilities are highly awesome, as previous posters mentioned. I think everyone could use Beetle's or Single/Triple Bat's Evasion Down attack. What about Tiger's Roar (Massive AoE paralyze)? Don't forget Magic Pot's Battery Charge (MP restore). Ahriman's Level 5 Petrify and Ram's Petrify Breath is totally awesome too (Except against a Red Mage, as Red Mage, in the rare occasions I get petrified, it never lasts more than a second, even against T-IT).

In fact, Blue Mage might be too powerful, and it may cause the price of Reraisers to go up (In other FFs, to learn an attack that would easily kill you, you'd have to have Reraise up and get back up quickly to learn it).

In all seriousness, Blue Mage is too awesome. I'm totally taking it up for a try in FFXI.
#34 Sep 18 2005 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
yeah but few bosses only have moves, so i dont think you can do it again unless I missed it. =\
#35 Sep 18 2005 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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About FFX Blue Magics, try this link:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/final_fantasy_x_blue_magic.txt

If that doesn't work, just head to the FAQs section for the game on www.gamefaqs.com and look up the Blue Magic List.

I am pretty sure each one of the Blue Magics are from fights that can be repeated...
#36 Sep 18 2005 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
=\

I felt so newbie. -_-

I did first FFX without any help and guides so I thought few bosses only have magics that normal mobs don't use. =\
#37 Sep 18 2005 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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I did first FFX without any help and guides so I thought few bosses only have magics that normal mobs don't use. =\


That actually is the case in a number of FFs and many other games as well; there would be certain abilities or Blue Magics or whatever where you only had a limited number of shots at, and after that you've missed them for good (otherwise known as crossing the "point of no return"). Just wanted to point out that I didn't believe FFX belonged in that list. :P
#38 Sep 18 2005 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
I remember them... although i cant say i played alot of FF games, i played a few... Preferably the Geomancer...from Tactics... i enjoyed the jobs idea... being able to use plants and such would be nice. Gaia and Elements are different. Vines and thorns and such are not fire, wind, water, ice, dark, light, lightning elemental... so it would throw a large expander into play.... then theres Mechanics... FF has had alot of movement around advanced technology, lost to something... and someone knowing something about it... Pehraps a mechanic would also be a decent job... The other day i though of how Alot of the SMN abilities revolved around night and day... what of a Celestial mage? or Knight? ....... as for Blue mage.... People used to say it was practically a BST... or RDM... but RDM alot of time get to go "BIO! BLIND!" then they're pretty much asked to heal (more debuff spells than that tho) ... i think Blue mage would probably be a party version of beast.... I know i havent looked much at the expansion.. but hey... ive got decent ideas. Right?
#39 Sep 18 2005 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes. Aside from the Eden summon, [Shockwave Pulsar] was the only attack in the game that could hit for 5-digit damage.


As far as I can remember, I found five ways to do 5-digit damage. I can't remember the fifth, but I know two of the others were Chocobuckle and that suicide move that removed the character from the battle.
#40 Sep 18 2005 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I actually like Kimahri from FFX a lot. He kicked everyone's butt, though, he wasn't a sole Blue Mage; He was more or less A Dragoon (with no dragon) / Blue Mage, or vice-versa. I loved using him, when I got Nova for him, it was crazy. So was Stone Breath ^^
#41 Sep 18 2005 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't really care for it much in other games but I think SE will make it really different than what we've seen in the past. I will most certainly try out the job. I won't let past games tell me how it might be in the new expansion. I will just have to wait and see for my own eyes. =)
#42 Sep 18 2005 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Blue Mage's strengths will most likely be in its debuff spells.

Bad Breath - A plethora of negative status effects

Sonic Wave - Defense Down (which would be one of the only ways to inflict this status effect; the only other things that can are Dia, Choke, and Acid Bolts)

Sonic Boom - Attack Down (Only Bio and Demon Arrows can accomplish this)

Ultrasonics or High Frequency Field - Evasion Down (Only the Cruel Spear and Cruel Scythe can do this... and they are level 20 weapons)

Level 5 Petrification - Only Blue Mages would have access to a Petrify attack

Geist Wall - AoE Dispel

Barbed Crescent - Accuracy Down


Having all of these exotic debuff spells would set it apart from other mages.. without taking away their jobs.


#43 Sep 18 2005 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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By the time you could live through Beta in FF VII, it almost wasn't worth it anymore

Wear a ring that nullifies or absorbs fire damage.

I loved enemy skill materia in FF7. Mighty Gaurd, White Wind, Magic Hammer, Beta, Trine, Magic Breath, Aqua Breath, were all great (Mighty Gaurd especially, Protectra Shellra Hastega).

Some useful things BLU might get in FFXI:
Sleepga (Trap, sheep, and Mandragora Family)
Dispel (Wyvern [AoE], Dragon [AoE], and Eft [cone] family)
Slowga (Spider and Demon family)
Bind (Antlion, Orc, and Walking Tree family)
Blindga (Antica and Antlion Family)
Paralyga (Tiger and Wyvern family)
Defence Bonus* (Antlion, Crab, and Crawler family)
MP/TP Drainkiss (Leech family)
Drainga (Ghost and Skeleton family)
Stun (Yagudo [AoE/single], Weapon [AoE], Orc, and Quadav family)
AoE Damage (Scorpion, Crab**, Orc**, Yagudo**, Goblin/Moblin, Lizard, etc. Family)
Big Single Target Damage (Orc, Pugil, Spider, Scorpion, Dahmel, etc. family)
Various STAT Down effects (Bat, Morbol, Mandragora, etc. family)

*: Self only, not sure how BLU works, but might not be able to learn such things.
**: Has an additional effect.


And many more I can't think of now, but those are the useful ones that came to mind. You have to think outside the normal EXP mobs sometimes. Mostly because you don't exp on those mobs because of said abilities.

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Steelshell (stoneskin)
You can't be paying much attention to those crabs your fighting if you think that stoneskin is of any use. It blocks, typically, about 20-50 damage. It's a joke. Clearly Crabs have **** for MND.

EDIT2: posted a more complete listing here.

Edited, Sun Sep 18 17:45:42 2005 by FaffyOfDiabolos
#44 Sep 18 2005 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Aside from the Eden summon, it was the only attack in the game that could hit for 5-digit damage.
There were a few more, Kamikaze and GF Cactuar at lvl100 doing 1000 Needles comes to mind.


#45 Sep 18 2005 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Sonic Wave - Defense Down (which would be one of the only ways to inflict this status effect; the only other things that can are Dia, Choke, and Acid Bolts)

Armor Break, Full Break, Shell Crusher, several katanas

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Sonic Boom - Attack Down (Only Bio and Demon Arrows can accomplish this)

Weapon Break, Full Break

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Ultrasonics or High Frequency Field - Evasion Down (Only the Cruel Spear and Cruel Scythe can do this... and they are level 20 weapons)

Gravity, Lunar Cry, Shield Break, Full Break, Dotanuki (LV55 GKT)

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Geist Wall - AoE Dispel

Lunar Roar

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Barbed Crescent - Accuracy Down

Lunar Cry, Full Break, as well as the plethora of blind-effect spells and weapons

Edited, Sun Sep 18 17:25:21 2005 by redvenomweb
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#46 Sep 18 2005 at 4:16 PM Rating: Default
Quina- was broken in ff9 lvl 5 death on lvl 75 dragons was the best way to lvl.
#47 Sep 18 2005 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah I forgot about weapon skills.. but would any WAR really gimp their effectiveness and use one of those instead of something like Sturmwind, Raging Rush, etc.?
#48 Sep 18 2005 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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Aside from the Eden summon, it was the only attack in the game that could hit for 5-digit damage.
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There were a few more, Kamikaze and GF Cactuar at lvl100 doing 1000 Needles comes to mind.


Gah, I forgot about all those. I m nub.

And that is why I didn't bother trying to explain BLU's merits, because I knew I'd forget about obvious stuff like that...
#49 Sep 18 2005 at 8:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Sleepga is pretty much the only -ga type of spell you'd ever use in this game outside of during farming. Drainga might sound like a cool idea, but I doubt it would be enough to keep you alive if you used it on more than one mob.
#50 Sep 18 2005 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I hated Quina but Quistis was awsome. And I would rather have the Gun Mages, since I used them all the time. But that wont happen. But Yeah. Blue Mages...not so much here. I never did care for that kinda mage. Although I never left home without my Enemy skill materia!

And umm...do we really know its a blue mage yet? Did i miss SE saying that it was? All the signs point to yes...but it could be something completely new.
#51 Sep 18 2005 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
they confirmed blue mage in japanese webpages but few people translated it for us so it is confirmed for BUM/BLU ^^
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