MERCENARIES (in response to Sirhumpalot's thread)Follow

Haha, you make me sound like I came galloping in on a steed to rescue a fair maiden.


I don't see anything wrong with what he did, so obviously I'm going to defend him. I find it so weird that everyone has this image of "OMG GUY CHARGED FOR XP PARTY," when there were no problems in game.

Taking advantage of something doesn't always carry a negative connotation, and it shouldn't in this case, because no one was harmed or upset by his actions. They all got some XP, and the party was worthwile to him because he made something out of it in a situation where he could care less about grinding some more xp in.



EDIT: You're making this really hard for me to not double post.




Hajpoj wasn't being an *** to anyone. Everyone went home happy in his situation.

I'm not being an *** for defending him, either. In fact, I feel more obligated to help him just because you guys are beating down on him so hard. I don't feel he deserves that, regardless of what you think.

Opinions are like ********, and your side is ******** all over him. I respect your opinion that charging for XP is wrong, but I'm not trying to bash you on it.

The only negative thing I've said towards you was that you came off as a jerk with a comment like "Said the 65 Bard to the 75 THF," which is a jerky thing to say.

Edited, Thu Sep 29 17:46:39 2005 by Dreyviin

Edited, Thu Sep 29 17:47:50 2005 by Dreyviin

What about Cloud!? He didn't give a crap about the lifestream, but he was a Merc' and willing to help Avalanche for a price. ;P

I don't know, I see a difference between Freelancer and Mercenary, and Mercenarys are kind of whoreish. But I just kind of expect that from the term.

I explained the reason I said that. It's in a post on the middle of the 2nd page of this thread.

That post did little to prove otherwise.

edit:
In fact, it seems like you misunderstood Tray(sp, not bothering to look back)'s post.

(S)he was saying that there are plenty of people desperate enough that would willingly pay (bribe) someone to join their party, especially for a tiny fee of 20k. Not that there are plenty of people charging.

Edited, Thu Sep 29 17:58:51 2005 by Dreyviin

Yeah, but it also says nothing about being hired when you're actually unwilling to fight. And you have to admit that however Webster's defines it, actual mercenaries-- like those who support Soldier of Fortune magazine and similar publications-- prefer to a portrayal as adventurers and top folks in their craft.

And really, would you even bother hiring a mercenary who wasn't any good?

Meh. Well, all that aside, not CARING whether you fight or not==> mercenary. Not wanting to fight and doing it anyway for money ==> *****.

No I don't. I just wanted an answer to the question. Not a roundabout avoidance of said question.




When someone ask you a question, and you instead answer questions that were not asked, that is called avoiding. There is no accusation but the blatant revelation of the truth. If you didn't want to answer the question Acepod or myself posed, i.e., "Would you help someone for free or would you charge them, having knowledge that they charged other people simply to be in their exp party?"

You have choosen repetitively not to answer the question, hence why I grouped you in the "would help for free" category. So far all you have said is "I don't know enough to answer the question definitively". Well, I offer that you have all the knowledge you need to now. You know that he actively searched for other tanks seeking or available at his level. You know that he apparently didn't want to exp although he was totally fine with receiving the SAME exp as others did, FOR FREE, while they PAID HIM for it. You know that he started a thread, basically bragging about it. He even proudly wears the badge of some Merc Paladin and says so at the end of his original post. What more do you need to know??? Either a simple yes or no will do. If it's none of my business, don't post here. Ironically you had not witty lie yourself except to call me out as lying being one of my strong suits (so I mixed up 1 with 2, I admitted it) and insulting me by saying diplomacy and logic aren't my strong suits?

Well intelligence isn't your strong suit. It doesn't take more than several years in school to decide whether you would freely offer help to a known profiteer or not. I'm sorry you "don't know enough to answer the question". You probably never will.







Edited, Thu Sep 29 18:08:17 2005 by TheBarrister

Just speaking the truth, and you can see it from this thread. You can't deny some people just don't like the idea of it, therefore look down on you for it. You can do whatever you want in this game. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences when you know it goes against some other people's ethics. If you don't care what others think of you in the game, that's your perogative. Just don't expect to convince others to change their ethics to accomodate your behavior.

Edited, Thu Sep 29 18:05:20 2005 by jmakovec

Maybe you need to reread my statement. I'm not saying that 'being paid to exp is bad' is an absolute truth. The truth I'm referring to is that many players have an opinion of that type of thing being bad, and will therefore look down upon you for it. Just like there are players having the opinion that it's not. Notice I said it makes you look like a jerk in "many" (not all) players eyes. If it didn't, you wouldn't have so many negative responses in this thread.

Most people here really don't care who your friends are, what LS's you are associated with, or who you really are. They do however think charging someone to "let them have you in an exp party" is a fairly low thing to do in the game, whether it's an isolated incident or not because you made it an issue for them by bringing it up in their forum.

My guess is the majority of people on your server never even new this even happened, so there are no opinions to be concerned about since you only did it once so your reputation is a non-issue at this point. Now that you made this situation known to a large audience, you are going to get a lot of opinions on it, and maybe even some negative views of your reputation because of it. I would be willing to bet if this was a habitual thing for you, your reputation would be affected. Like I said, behave like you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences of you actions. If your actions don't affect many people, then you won't have many consequences. Nobody "likes" paying to have someone in their exp party. Those people did it because they were desperate, which you took advantage of.

Edited, Thu Sep 29 18:23:50 2005 by jmakovec

With that logic you could say that it's in your ethics to kill somebody therefore making it legal to you to kill somebody. I think that's the logic most serial killers have.

In that analogy, abiding by the TOS would be the same as abiding by real life laws, wouldn't it?

I don't see how my analogy was radical at all. You just defended the minds of serial killers for your argument over your right to charge 20k.

I can assure you that most people in the civilized world are not against killing because of the consequences but because it is morally wrong. Society has deemed it morally wrong, and society is the prevailing voice over a few goons who live in their own little worlds.

Now here is the dilemma we have.

If you really didn't want to play you would not have a partied, period. You could have farmed and made more probably. I fail to see how a party should reimburse you for time you spent with them. After all, you did get experience points and if everybody leveled then you probably did as well.

I love the whole "free spirit thinker" vibe I'm getting from you.

It reminds me of when I used to work in the mall, and I would see all the teenagers dressed like "punks" with their anarchy patches and hair spiked with Elmer's glue.

"I"M DIFFERENT!" they would say.

So different that all of them looked EXACTLY THE SAME.