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#1 Oct 02 2005 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello,

3 of our LS tried to take on the Giddeus BCNM20. (Charming trio - the three leeches, 15 minute fight, max 3 people.).

The party was:

BLM/WHM Taru
WHM/BLM Hume
MNK/WAR Galka

Our plan was to sleep 2 of the leeches and fight the third but the leeches resisted my sleep and the BLM died in 3 hits and the other two soon afterwards.

We tried again with similar results.

Was this the wrong party setup for this BCNM?

What is the perfect setup?

What are the tactics to use for this BCNM?

Thanks

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#2 Oct 02 2005 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Do Red Mages have sleep at that level? A RDM with capped enfeebling might have some better luck, I dunno...
#3 Oct 02 2005 at 1:09 AM Rating: Default
Every Full moon on lightsday you can see me and my 2 RL friends doing this BCNM

PT set up

Bst/Whm
Bst/Whm
Bst/Whm

Every turn one beast use the 2 hour while the other 2 swap charms on the other mob and send it to the Colo-Colo Bat

This is the easy way to do it but i must admit SE made some changes here

All of us have monster signa, Hope Rings+1 top HQ Equip and still sometimes is a pain in the *** to charm them

#4 Oct 02 2005 at 1:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, the mistake you made was assuming that the mobs will sleep.

Those leeches also have MANY Drain-type abilities, so when you have Drain effect, think Utsusemi. 3xNIN with hi-potions and au'laits can take them down pretty well.

3xSMN with Diamond Dust can one-shot them once every 2 hours, provided you are competant enough to assault without aggroing.

You might be able to have one person kite the smaller two and then have two people concentrate on the center one.
#5 Oct 02 2005 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Beat that one a few times, we never tried sleeping them thou. Typically we used Pld/War, Rng/War, Whm/blm(/smn might work better?).

Pld took hate, tanked all 3, cured till leeches sucked his mp dry, pld and rng had hi-potions I seem to recall. Whm used yag drinks and ethers as needed. Not sure how Rng would work post-nerf, but any good DD should work. Used pld/drk/whm and won once, if memory serves. I also forget what order we fought them in.

I wanted to try War/mnk as a tank, might work better as pld's mp lasted about 10 seconds, and counter could kick in anytime, plus axe might do better damage then sword at that level. Just an idea.

Our record was about 12/15, lost a few cause of bad luck. But it's a bcnm, what happens, happens :)

And in response to previous poster, RDM sleep is level 25. So that wouldn't be an option.
#6 Oct 02 2005 at 1:30 AM Rating: Good
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Link to BCNM info, just click on the battlefield under the orb your using

that link will give you some info on the BCNMs out there, including what will work and wont work on the mobs as well as strategies for some of them.

Edited, Sun Oct 2 02:38:06 2005 by MasterAE
#7 Oct 02 2005 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Have WAR/MNK(holds hate well, better than PLD cause of dmg), WHM, and a DD. WAR/MNK provokes Pepper, the other two link to WAR. WAR and DD engage Pepper. The other two won't attack anyone but the WAR unless you AoE or otherwise hit it(Counter from /MNK doesn't count). After Pepper goes down, attack the one on the right(the one with the long name :p) Save Pheobe for last. Make sure WAR has Hi-Potions and WHM has a Hi-Ether and a Yagudo Drink(s).
#8 Oct 02 2005 at 6:19 AM Rating: Decent
You could also go with this setup:

Bst/whm (or /war, depending on if you have a tank or a DD)
DD or Tank (DD can be anything, really, including BLM)
Whm

The strategy:
Bst runs in and charms a (non NM) leech. 2 hours. Makes his leech fight the other non-NM leech. Tank or BST tanks the NM. NM dies. Bst uses heel if his pet looks like it will win. BST's pet dies. Severely weak mob dies. The end. Whm of course, keeps everyone alive.
#9 Oct 02 2005 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The leeches are uncharmable in this BCNM, BST is useless here. Try replacing the BLM with a WAR and you should be able to win.
#10 Oct 02 2005 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Sun Oct 2 10:09:41 2005 by MFC
#11 Oct 02 2005 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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My se tup for this bcnm is either:
SMN/NIN
WAR/MNK
MNK/SAM
or

NIN/THF
WAR/MNK
MNK/SAM

We all bring high potions and a different food. The mnk boosts three times before we move and then he takes the left bat and 2hours and solos the whole thing very easily. The war takes the other bat and solos it until the mnk finishes his abt which is pretty quick. While as the SMN or NIN kite colo around.

ITs pretty easy now. We know how many potions to use and it works great. My MNK friend did do it with 3 MNK with some high potions and they pwned the crap out of it. Hundred Fists hurts those bats. Now that i have shiva i think ill be smn more often so i can 2hour the crap out of them cause diamon dust hurts.

I dont think ive ever seen those bats slept before in my whole time watching peopel do this bcnm. So ill say BLM is pretty useless. I have also seen the UBER BST/WHM trio crash and burn. Apparently the bcnm varys on difficulty and even with the best + CHAR gear ive seen bsts have problems charming those bats. Granted they have their 2 hour but most want to save it for some reason.

Thats my two gill on this and we are 2/8 on the pact and 3/8 on astral.
#12 Oct 02 2005 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
The leeches are uncharmable in this BCNM, BST is useless here. Try replacing the BLM with a WAR and you should be able to win.
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I think your brain is uncharmable WTF you saying Bst is useless for this BCNM

What server are you on so i can create a character just to slap you... ah carn00bcle that explains everything

Edited, Sun Oct 2 10:54:23 2005 by Lacucaracha
#13 Oct 02 2005 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Lacucaracha, Evlii, you guys are talking about a completely different BCNM20 ^^;; We're doing the one at Balga's Dais, Charming Trio.You are thinking of the Ghelsba OP one, Wings of Fury.


I'm the Galka MNK/WAR of the party that went in to this BCNM.I don't really have that many highlevel jobs...Closest jobs I have to twenty are my MNK at 33, WAR at 18, and BST at 14.I suppose I'd have to switch to WAR/MNK for this one, unless our WHM can use his WAR, if he has gear for it, coz I sure as hell don't have gear for my WAR right now XD
#14 Oct 02 2005 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
Whoops my bad i just slap myself then

/slap O.o IM THE N00B WOOT!

#15 Oct 13 2005 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry about that, was responding to OP's bcnm, charming trio. Thread got mixed somewhere along the line, it seems. Valid ideas for both, thou, it seems they're being mixed up somewhere.

I can say from personal experience that tank/melee dd/whm is the best setup I've seen for charming trio. No experiences w/ Wings of fury. Sorry for the confusion.
#16 Oct 13 2005 at 7:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I did this as pld/mnk/whm. I proceeded to run in first and grab all 3 leeches and invincible, while the mnk hundred fists one leech to take it down quickly. After one died, me and the mnk went to work on a second leech while I tank the remaining one. After second one dies we kill the last one for the win, white mage keeping us alive throughout the battle of course. Very easy win ^^.
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