POL System Scan Privacy Issues? OP Updated 5:39am EST Mar 9Follow

Reasons to be against it scanning my processes and memory without disclosure or my consent.

1) I have legal rights.
2) I have legal rights.
3) I have legal rights.
4) I have legal rights.
5) I have legal rights.
6) You may not care about waivering yours, but... oh yes, I have legal rights.

Before you posted, did you research precedent? Did you phone POL? Did you phone a lawyer? Did you phone the CAOPP? No?

Go get educated.

Going to use simple words, it defines their websites terms of service. And the usage of their site.

If you actually read http://www.square-enix.com/na/about/ nothing in that document is about licensing POL/FFXI/TetraMaster, just their website. This is what people are trying to tell you. I just had to read the definition pretext to figure that out.

Have you ever actually looked at the site?

Left side, bottom. This is a subsidary site, thereby anyone viewing it is bound by the terms and conditions of the parent site.

And as for my "patriotic" nature? It is a game you idiot! You DO realize that ALL your conversations ARE monitor in it, RIGHT, Mr. Privacy Freak? Your chat logs exist on their server. By installing and using it, you wave your right to private communication.

Hey, here's an idea. Pikko, where are your TOS?

We're more interested in finding out where you live now that we know your name, Justin Martini! >:O

The saddest part is how wrong you are.

You have no privacy in the game. You have none on their site. It's in their TOS. If you actually paid attention, you'd know that POL is using the site for content. Hence why when your connection breaks it all goes the default red colour. Yank your ethernet cable out while in one section of POL and go to another. You'll notice it doesn't work.

It's not resident on your machine, the content comes from the site. They have the right to monitor anything you transmit. You transmit all those "scanned files".

IE sends a lot of items out there.

So does a lot of your programs. You just don't realize it.

It only becomes an issue with privacy if SE decide to collect the data about what process is running on your machine. If it only scans for certain processes and then terminate POL if they're found, there is no 'privacy issue'.

'legal protection' against a programs scanning your registry and processes does not exist.

Yes, you're right. SEI does gather all of that information generated by the content in the POL viewer.

Oh yeah, except there's a difference. That's covered under "traffic data" and is acceptable under their current policies.

pol.exe scanning everything, however, is not.

But, since you're sooo right, you can explain to us how pol.exe needs to know that I'm running MSN, IE, Thudnerbird, and Adobe Photoshop and then transmit that data back to SEI while I go buy a pack of smokes.

Please, enlighten me/us. I'm sure Microsoft, Mozilla, and Adobe (respectively) would all also be interested to know that somehow, through some magical legal jargon, their programs all somehow fall under "within PlayOnline service".

Just saw this after I posted my last comment. If that's what they were trying to do, I wish they'd have just told people what they were doing. It would have eliminated the need for this whole conversation.

Thank you for posting Jegzus. That is all. Please continue...

I was able to dig this up for you. This is the Online Privacy Protection Act of 2003 - Business and Professions Code sections 22575-22579 for California.

BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE
SECTION 22575-22579

22575. (a) An operator of a commercial Web site or online service
that collects personally identifiable information through the
Internet about individual consumers residing in California who use
or visit its commercial Web site or online service shall
conspicuously post its privacy policy on its Web site, or in the case
of an operator of an online service, make that policy available in
accordance with paragraph (5) of subdivision (b) of Section 22577.
An operator shall be in violation of this subdivision only if the
operator fails to post its policy within 30 days after being
notified of noncompliance.
(b) The privacy policy required by subdivision (a) shall do all of
the following:
(1) Identify the categories of personally identifiable information
that the operator collects through the Web site or online service
about individual consumers who use or visit its commercial Web site
or online service and the categories of third-party persons or
entities with whom the operator may share that personally
identifiable information.
(2) If the operator maintains a process for an individual consumer
who uses or visits its commercial Web site or online service to
review and request changes to any of his or her personally
identifiable information that is collected through the Web site or
online service, provide a description of that process.
(3) Describe the process by which the operator notifies consumers
who use or visit its commercial Web site or online service of
material changes to the operator's privacy policy for that Web site
or online service.
(4) Identify its effective date.



22576. An operator of a commercial Web site or online service that
collects personally identifiable information through the Web site or
online service from individual consumers who use or visit the
commercial Web site or online service and who reside in California
shall be in violation of this section if the operator fails to comply
with the provisions of Section 22575 or with the provisions of its
posted privacy policy in either of the following ways:
(a) Knowingly and willfully.
(b) Negligently and materially.



22577. For the purposes of this chapter, the following definitions
apply:
(a) The term "personally identifiable information" means
individually identifiable information about an individual consumer
collected online by the operator from that individual and maintained
by the operator in an accessible form, including any of the
following:
(1) A first and last name.
(2) A home or other physical address, including street name and
name of a city or town.
(3) An e-mail address.
(4) A telephone number.
(5) A social security number.
(6) Any other identifier that permits the physical or online
contacting of a specific individual.
(7) Information concerning a user that the Web site or online
service collects online from the user and maintains in personally
identifiable form in combination with an identifier described in this
subdivision.
(b) The term "conspicuously post" with respect to a privacy policy
shall include posting the privacy policy through any of the
following:
(1) A Web page on which the actual privacy policy is posted if the
Web page is the homepage or first significant page after entering
the Web site.
(2) An icon that hyperlinks to a Web page on which the actual
privacy policy is posted, if the icon is located on the homepage or
the first significant page after entering the Web site, and if the
icon contains the word "privacy." The icon shall also use a color
that contrasts with the background color of the Web page or is
otherwise distinguishable.
(3) A text link that hyperlinks to a Web page on which the actual
privacy policy is posted, if the text link is located on the homepage
or first significant page after entering the Web site, and if the
text link does one of the following:
(A) Includes the word "privacy."
(B) Is written in capital letters equal to or greater in size than
the surrounding text.
(C) Is written in larger type than the surrounding text, or in
contrasting type, font, or color to the surrounding text of the same
size, or set off from the surrounding text of the same size by
symbols or other marks that call attention to the language.
(4) Any other functional hyperlink that is so displayed that a
reasonable person would notice it.
(5) In the case of an online service, any other reasonably
accessible means of making the privacy policy available for consumers
of the online service.
(c) The term "operator" means any person or entity that owns a
Web site located on the Internet or an online service that collects
and maintains personally identifiable information from a consumer
residing in California who uses or visits the Web site or online
service if the Web site or online service is operated for commercial
purposes. It does not include any third party that operates, hosts,
or manages, but does not own, a Web site or online service on the
owner's behalf or by processing information on behalf of the owner.
(d) The term "consumer" means any individual who seeks or
acquires, by purchase or lease, any goods, services, money, or credit
for personal, family, or household purposes.



22578. It is the intent of the Legislature that this chapter is a
matter of statewide concern. This chapter supersedes and preempts
all rules, regulations, codes, ordinances, and other laws adopted by
a city, county, city and county, municipality, or local agency
regarding the posting of a privacy policy on an Internet Web site.




22579. This chapter shall become operative on July 1, 2004.

I totaly support you in this Arketa, from a lawyer stand point and from what SEI Terms of Service states, what they are doing is illegal.

I could have bolded the important parts.. But I would like people to actualy red this... Read... >.>


Edited, Mar 8th 2007 10:56pm by Talzhemir

Edited, Mar 9th 2007 12:49am by Talzhemir

My lolicon is for me only! No pol.exe shall take that away from me!

Talzhemir you win the of the day! Thank you sir for posting that information.

And for those of you who will say they do not collect any personal information by scanning process', just look at the screen shot I posted. That is how Deadgye knew my full name because it is in the command string of one of the process' that was scanned.

Edit: Spelled Talzhemir wrong. Sorry .

Also Arketa I've been behind you 100% on this since last night and will continue to stand up for our rights. Also thank you for the invitation, how does 8pm Saturday night sound?

Edited, Mar 8th 2007 11:03pm by jegzus

Also Arketa, you can contact State Senator Robert Nichols – 512-463-0103
http://www.nichols.senate.state.tx.us/

Thats Texas's state representitive.

Or you can contact Judge David Holstein Henderson County Judge.. :D

http://www.co.henderson.tx.us/ips/cms/countyoffices/