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#1 Sep 14 2007 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, short story here. I've been getting shafted hardcore with beastman/kindred seal drops lately in my merit partys. I go to camp and people are literally passing EVERYTHING except beastman/kindred seals. That alone isn't such an anomaly that people pass crap drops, but I've watched some people and they never fail to pass stuff and they do it the instant it drops. So I kill a mamool or a colibri and within 5 seconds 4 people have passed everything exept the seals, leaving me with trash. But get this, they never stop doing their job or playing. In the whole time I was monitoring them they just continued running mob after mob never interrupting themselves. Whenever I pass stuff I actually have to take the time to open the pool and pass, resulting in it showing visibly.

So last night I asked one of the people doing this what the **** was up. He said it's a new program for the PC called "light luggage" that automatically passes everything except seals for you so you can go to camp and get all the good drops without ever having to stop what your doing, and it's almost instant. The people doing this typically get like 5-15 seals a run and I'm only getting 1-2. Whats up with that? I play on PS2 so this is totally unfair. Is this in breach of the ToS? Can it be detected by the special task force and reported? Cause its ******* me off.
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Light Luggage is a new windower plugin. It's worse than TP party and draw distance and exp watch etc etc because it directly affects gameplay. What's worse, the new windower download has it installed by default, so everyone who has windower post patch has it.

And I doubt its detectable. It was written by Taj. And you KNOW how legendary THAT guy is. Taj strikes fear into even s-e. They can't control him.
#4 Sep 14 2007 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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AFAIK, Light Luggage is a Windower plugin which automatically stacks stackable items in your inventory without you having to sort all the time, and it can also be set to automatically pass/lot on specific items.
#5 Sep 14 2007 at 9:20 AM Rating: Default
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He also put in a timestamp which was a genius and long overdue item.
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#6 Sep 14 2007 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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It's a plug-in that's built into the newest version of windower.

I tried it, and playing as gear-heavy jobs that often leave me with like, 3-5 open inventory slots, it's nice to actually have the chance to get seals.

However. I forgot to turn it off while doing assaults on Sunday night and auto-passed the Storm Zuchetto that was in our loot pool, so I had no chance to lot on it. :(

It has a profile for dynamis as well, that will allow a sponsor to lot all currency that drops, which I would imagine would make life much easier.

Hey man, look at it this way- if people keep using it and ll those crystals/colibri feathers/etc. keep hitting the floor or only dropping to 1 person out of every party... the prices are bound to go up on them. XD

EDIT: it doesn't auto-pass stuff unless you tell it to. Without specifying a profile, all it does is auto-stack the stuff in your inventory as it falls.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 1:22pm by Etain
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#7 Sep 14 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Default
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I deleted the timestamp plugin. That IS detectable by s-e if they pull up the chatlogs. If someone GM's your *** and they read the chatlogs they see the timestamp in the logs just like you do on screen, which is absolute proof you are using 3rd party app and henceforth begging for banhammer. If any GM ever pulls your chatlogs for any reason at all you will get smashed.

I just use light luggage and tp party. I like knowing tp, and I like seals. Other than that I dont use any other plugins.
#8 Sep 14 2007 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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This timestamp plugin is as of yet not detectable by SE.
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#9 Sep 14 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I deleted the timestamp plugin. That IS detectable by s-e if they pull up the chatlogs. If someone GM's your *** and they read the chatlogs they see the timestamp in the logs just like you do on screen, which is absolute proof you are using 3rd party app and henceforth begging for banhammer. If any GM ever pulls your chatlogs for any reason at all you will get smashed.


Except it's client-side only, smart one.

Taj is fixing things in this game that SE has had 5 years to deal with but chose not to.
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Unfair, yeah I'd imagine it is but it is not game breaking. Being a console player, I have to say, it's stuff like this that makes us look a lot less lazier then the PC folks Smiley: tongue
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#11 Sep 14 2007 at 9:29 AM Rating: Default
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This timestamp plugin is as of yet not detectable by SE.


I should have known as much. When Taj writes it you KNOW it's gotta be good. That guy hacked into the POL servers and downloaded the update and did DAT mining over 4 hours before anyone else could, while the servers were still under maintenence.

So Taj broke the world again and there's nothing s-e can do about it. Nothing new. Move along now.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 1:29pm by Omegag
#12 Sep 14 2007 at 9:29 AM Rating: Default
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SE **** well better be putting in a timestamp feature when they release WotG. It's silly that they never have.
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This timestamp plugin is as of yet not detectable by SE.


I should have known as much. When Taj writes it you KNOW it's gotta be good. That guy hacked into the POL servers and downloaded the update and did DAT mining over 4 hours before anyone else could, while the servers were still under maintenence.

So Taj broke the world again and there's nothing s-e can do about it. Nothing new. Move along now.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 1:29pm by Omegag


You got a little something on your chin there, looks like Taj's balls.

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Except it's client-side only, smart one.


The program allows you to lot while you are dead though, something that is clearly impossible under normal conditions. Although still your chances of being caught for it are next to none.
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Except it's client-side only, smart one.


The program allows you to lot while you are dead though, something that is clearly impossible under normal conditions. Although still your chances of being caught for it are next to none.


Wrong program, but still; I thought they fixed that glitch?
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#16 Sep 14 2007 at 9:34 AM Rating: Default
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Yeah, true about the lotting while dead. You can always just unload the plugin when you die though, if you're partying with people you don't trust.

Edit: apparently they fixed that.

Taj also warped himself to the undersea ruins before they were released, made a character on the test server, put EX items in a bazaar, and wrote a program to force DC everyone in range and spammed it on fishbots.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 1:36pm by Kerberoz
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If the program does indeed lot while your dead, that's still circumventable by changing the profile. You can still type

//ll profile default

when dead and it'll swap the profile and turn the exp mode off. Heck you can even make an in game macro line with that text line and just hit the macro whenever you die, then hit another to turn it on after raised. Problem solved.

But ya, make sure it's turned off when you're in line to get an important drop or fighting HNM. It will auto pass all abjurations, god gear, osodes, w/e. You'll feel like a dipsh*t.

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Taj also warped himself to the undersea ruins before they were released, made a character on the test server, put EX items in a bazaar, and wrote a program to force DC everyone in range and spammed it on fishbots.


I remember those.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 1:43pm by Omegag
#18 Sep 14 2007 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont care if everyone else in my PT auto-passes everything except seals. You ever tried actually NPCing all your drops from a merit PT? Can make a fair bit of gil on -1 weapons at least. Mire is a gold mine too with Dark Crystals being like 80gil each and some imp parts going for like 650gil or something.
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#19 Sep 14 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Default
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man, it's been a long time since i've visited the windower site. and boy oh boy are there a lot of cool new updates. ^_^ can't wait to get home and try em.

Yea...SE's new windower mode has nothing on Taj. A simple windowed mode is just not enough anymore. SE needs to up the ante if it's gonna convert Taj's loyal fan base over to the craptacular GUI and intricisies that we have now. Taj's next goal is gonna have to keep windower completly hidden from SE if they decide to go after it once the official one is released.
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#20 Sep 14 2007 at 10:26 AM Rating: Default
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#21 Sep 14 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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However. I forgot to turn it off while doing assaults on Sunday night and auto-passed the Storm Zuchetto that was in our loot pool, so I had no chance to lot on it. :(


You could have still gotten it by disbanding from the party (making sure you are not the leader, and disabling the plugin), and rejoining the party. As long as someone was still there in the party that had not passed or lotted it, the item would remain pooled until its time expired.

The same thing can be accomplished by zoning, or even just entering the MH (which counts as a zone for lotting purposes but keeps you in the same zone).
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It's amazing how wedged up Taj's **** a lot of people are.
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However. I forgot to turn it off while doing assaults on Sunday night and auto-passed the Storm Zuchetto that was in our loot pool, so I had no chance to lot on it. :(


You could have still gotten it by disbanding from the party (making sure you are not the leader, and disabling the plugin), and rejoining the party. As long as someone was still there in the party that had not passed or lotted it, the item would remain pooled until its time expired.

The same thing can be accomplished by zoning, or even just entering the MH (which counts as a zone for lotting purposes but keeps you in the same zone).


Yeah I know ,but we had already started late and were getting ready to head into another assault- I didn't want to be that person. :x

(The only reason I left it on was to keep my inventory from getting cluttered with crystals and crap from Nyzul Isle Assault.)
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#24 Sep 14 2007 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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It's amazing how wedged up Taj's **** a lot of people are.


true strike. Dont get me wrong the guy is awesome when it comes to windower. And if SE really wanted to nothing is stopping them from getting a copy of windower and finding out what makes it tick.
#25 Sep 14 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
can someone explain what the timestamp does?
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Just because SE hasn't started banning windower users doesn't mean they can't detect it. Enough with the self-reassurance that being client-side means it won't be detected.

Guess what! Gilbuying and gilselling is client-side too!

#27 Sep 14 2007 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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can someone explain what the timestamp does?


all the time stamp does is shows what time you sent/recieved messages.
#28 Sep 14 2007 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
I think this crosses the line for me.

It's cheating. It creates a real strategic disadvantage for people who don't or can't use it. And I want S-E to aggressively go after this, change the ToS to allow them to sniff memory for plug-ins like this, and start suspending accounts.

I suspect that WotG will include just such an update to the ToS, along with the supported windower.
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I think this crosses the line for me.

It's cheating. It creates a real strategic disadvantage for people who don't or can't use it. And I want S-E to aggressively go after this, change the ToS to allow them to sniff memory for plug-ins like this, and start suspending accounts.

I suspect that WotG will include just such an update to the ToS, along with the supported windower.


Here we go again...
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Just because SE hasn't started banning windower users doesn't mean they can't detect it. Enough with the self-reassurance that being client-side means it won't be detected.

Guess what! Gilbuying and gilselling is client-side too!



That is a real asinine argument. Gilbuying is NOT client side. You actually have to exchange gil in game.... read those last two words again. You might also want to learn what exactly is detectable before you spout your pointless retort.
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#31 Sep 14 2007 at 11:01 AM Rating: Default
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I think this crosses the line for me.

It's cheating. It creates a real strategic disadvantage for people who don't or can't use it. And I want S-E to aggressively go after this, change the ToS to allow them to sniff memory for plug-ins like this, and start suspending accounts.

I suspect that WotG will include just such an update to the ToS, along with the supported windower.


How is this cheating? Just because it does it for you means nothing you dont get a advantage, dont get ****. I can just a easily go to treasure and hit pass on everything cept for seals. work smarter not harder.
#32McGame, Posted: Sep 14 2007 at 11:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Exactly. Exchanging gil does not break the TOS at all, there is no way SE could detect a transaction because they're not using any detectable hacks right?
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Exactly. Exchanging gil does not break the TOS at all, there is no way SE could detect a transaction because they're not using any detectable hacks right?


You're an idiot.
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And yes this is cheating. Because you now don't have to go to the menu to lot stuff. Botting, anyone?
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That informative post does not make you look very smart either.
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Exactly. Exchanging gil does not break the TOS at all, there is no way SE could detect a transaction because they're not using any detectable hacks right?


Etain has a much more polite reply than I dare muster.

edit: In case you can't read, client side means your console/pc. You exchange gil IN GAME. That would mean not client side.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 1:10pm by Senjiow
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#37 Sep 14 2007 at 11:11 AM Rating: Default
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And yes this is cheating. Because you now don't have to go to the menu to lot stuff. Botting, anyone?



nah just called being lazy. cheating is getting claim before a nm pops or using some sort of device to make favors in your way. havinga program that auto passes for you is not cheating. In no way shape of form does it give you a advantage. Even if you didnt use it you still have minutes to go to your menu to pass before you get crappy drops.
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You do not have to believe me that windower can and will be detected. Time will tell when the STF takes action.

Cheaters will be punished. That is what this is all about. I'm quite aware the majority of alla members use those plugin cheats and will angrily disagree with me, but lolcheaters. You will get what you deserve.
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You do not have to believe me that windower can and will be detected. Time will tell when the STF takes action.

Cheaters will be punished. That is what this is all about. I'm quite aware the majority of alla members use those plugin cheats and will angrily disagree with me, but lolcheaters. You will get what you deserve.


I do hope you realize that everyone who's ever claimed to have "gotten banned for using Windower" JUST SO HAPPENED to have a flee-hack or some other unsavory program on their computer that they "just tried once for a few seconds a few months ago."

If you're too dumb to read between the lines, they were never banned because of Windower.
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Well then, please shut up until they take action. Smiley: lol
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It's amazing how wedged up Taj's **** a lot of people are.


It's amazing how wedged up SE's **** a lot of people are.
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I think this crosses the line for me.

It's cheating. It creates a real strategic disadvantage for people who don't or can't use it.

Sorry all I read is "wah wah I'm jealous". Cry moar?

Whats stopping you manually passing items?

What stopping you going into your inventory and hitting auto-sort or deleting crystal stacks every now and then?

Am I right in thinking that unlotted items fall randomly as if everyone had lotted them? If so. And If each item is independent or others then just because I've passed 3 crystals and not passed a seal and you've not passed anything... you still have the same chance at the seal.

lol @ Stategic disadvantage. ****** cus your inventory is getting to clogged up to get seals? Maybe you should pay more attention to your chat log and just toss unwanted crystals and feathers or whatever when you see one drop.
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I am rating you down for posting nonsense, is that what you mean?

Etain is right btw. The ONLY people to ever have been banned for using the windower were dumb enough to tell others, usually thru a shout.

I got a 3day ban while using the windower YEARS ago, but I was also blatantly using the fleehack as well. So, that might have been it, but who knows. Smiley: sly

I continue to use the windower on all 3 of my accounts that I play at the same time, and have been for years now. Read into that what you will.
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#44The One and Only shusio, Posted: Sep 14 2007 at 11:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Good idea.
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lol if SE banned windower users it would be the last nail in the coffin for this game.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 3:26pm by everec
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It's cheating. It creates a real strategic disadvantage for people who don't or can't use it.

Sorry all I read is "wah wah I'm jealous". Cry moar?

Whats stopping you manually passing items?

What stopping you going into your inventory and hitting auto-sort or deleting crystal stacks every now and then?

Am I right in thinking that unlotted items fall randomly as if everyone had lotted them? If so. And If each item is independent or others then just because I've passed 3 crystals and not passed a seal and you've not passed anything... you still have the same chance at the seal.

lol @ Stategic disadvantage. ****** cus your inventory is getting to clogged up to get seals? Maybe you should pay more attention to your chat log and just toss unwanted crystals and feathers or whatever when you see one drop.


It's not the autostacking. That's a very minor advantage, it should have been in the original client, and it's not a big deal. If this was just about the three key-strokes saved by autostacking, I wouldn't have remarked.

It's the auto-passing, which occurs silently (unless you're checking the treasure pool regularly, in which case you can detect it), and which leads to people who don't use that plug-in being left with crap, particularly if the party is at all fast-moving. Remember, if I'm auto-passing crap, the next lot for something of value will also be more heavily weighted in my favor. So, if you autopass all the crap, then when something of value does drop, it is more likely to go to you, unless we resort to lotting everything.

What's "stopping" me from manually passing is the rate of play.

You know something? A majority of Japanese players are on consoles. When they know that a significant population of NA players are using little tools like this one, are you surprised that they don't want to join EN parties so often?
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Remember, if I'm auto-passing crap, the next lot for something of value will also be more heavily weighted in my favor.

It doesn't work that way.
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lol if SE banned windower users it would be the last nail in the coffin for this game.

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 3:26pm by everec


Among NA players, maybe. If JA players insisted on it, they'd win. The non-Japanese market is of secondary importance to S-E.
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How is this cheating? Just because it does it for you means nothing you dont get a advantage, dont get sh*t. I can just a easily go to treasure and hit pass on everything cept for seals. work smarter not harder.


Yup and if you die because I'm having to open up the menu to pass quickly rather than having all the crap dumped on me then you're getting r1 buddy.

I'm not used to having to pass in merit parties, just the occasional sort to make sure it stays stacked like it's supposed to be (and tossing out the full stacks of wind crystals, etc.). The only problem comes when you're playing with a group who ALL use it meaning you get all the junk drops dumped on you. Meaning YOU spend more time getting rid of junk because they can't be bothered to spend ANY time doing it.

Perhaps it's only a mage thing but in merit parties I'm generally too busy casting to open up the menu pass on 9 junk items as quickly as the treasure pool fills up. Meaning someone's not gonna get erased or silena'd or cured or something while I do that (or the mob isn't going to be slept or silenced or whatever).

Just because it isn't cheating doesn't mean it's a friendly thing to do to your party members. Sure it's easier for YOU, but could you once pause for a moment and think that just maybe not everyone has the plugin?

But that's the attitude, isn't it? "I've got mine, Jack. What happens to you as a result isn't my concern."

No, it's not cheating. But please realize that it is rather annoying to those of us who are left holding the junk. ;_;

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Remember, if I'm auto-passing crap, the next lot for something of value will also be more heavily weighted in my favor.

It doesn't work that way.


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#51 Sep 14 2007 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps it's only a mage thing but in merit parties I'm generally too busy casting to open up the menu pass on 9 junk items as quickly as the treasure pool fills up. Meaning someone's not gonna get erased or silena'd or cured or something while I do that (or the mob isn't going to be slept or silenced or whatever).

Nez


Funny, I'm WHM too, and that's exactly my experience. I don't have enough time or attention to spare to be ******* around with treasure pool.

As mages, we have a certain amount of ****-you power: we can decide to leave parties that are doing this.
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