The unfairness of mog bonanza towards PS2 playersFollow

The best part is how people don't understand that when gambling, the house always has the advantage, but do go on.

There is a large difference between this and the house advantage. With house advantage you're not giving particular people advantages over everyone else on top of the advantage the house already has.

To compare this to gambling would more be like having a blackjack table where people in the second seat will always be given cards that add up to 22+

Your comparison assumes that SE had no chance of picking an EOEOE or OEOEO number. A better comparison would be that the second seat always gets a 16. Very low chance of winning, but still a chance if the dealer busts.

Of course, that example is flawed as well, because it assumes you didn't have an equal chance to win... and you did.

I'm not saying that this issue isn't an issue. It is. These numbers were assumed to be "random" and unfortunately followed a pattern. Patterns aren't random.

However, don't pretend that you didn't have a chance of winning. The fact that you DID NOT WIN does not prove that you COULD NOT HAVE WON. I didn't win either... and my numbers were generated on the 360. Does that mean I should be mad? No. I still had a chance.

Any EOEOE number is still a 1 in 10,000 chance of winning no matter how you look at it. You cannot use the final outcome to argue that you didn't have a chance to win. Anyone who didn't win can make that argument.

The only error here is that the randomness of the numbers was misrepresented. You still had the same chance to win. It sucks, sure. I didn't win either. Let's drop it.

Further discussion of this issue only shows a failure to accept reality.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2008 10:26am by shanecf

Edited, Jul 3rd 2008 10:30am by shanecf

That's not really true either. Because unless you are absolutely certain SE intentionally chose numbers out of the range, there was still a chance to win. It's more like the cards you're given always add up to 17. 17 can still win, but it's less likely. Yet at the same time, the guy next to you can get 17, but can also get 18, 19, 20 & 21. He's much more likely to win, but you still have a chance.

Math is hard! Lets go shopping!

Its amazing how little attention people are paying to the math facts. See my earlier post. Assuming that SE picked a number at random (conspiracy theorists can now join in), a PS2 Moogle user had exactly the same odds as anyone else, even though it seems counter intuitive.



Edited, Jul 3rd 2008 1:45pm by Lokithor

It all comes down to this. This is just a game, I played and only got 2 exp scrolls, and was happy that I won something. Yes I was surprised when there where 5 sets of numbers drawn, an wished SE would have made that more clear. Human error is always going to come in play no matter how well thought out the process is.

There have been plenty, including actuall tests you, just like many others, dont understand the basics of prob/stat.

if you roll a 99999 sided dice, ANY number has the same chance of being picked.

Ahh, nobody cared until they lost.

That's not really true either, because separate drawings were held, and each number had an equal chance of winning in each drawing.

Yeah, I do, actually. Guess that backfired on you, huh? Did you try checking my profile lately?

By the way, your attitude is strangely familiar of those who think one knows nothing about a job unless one has it at level 75 himself. Which is a ridiculous way to think, if I do say so myself.



Ah, that would explain why all the PC players claim kings before I even see them appear on my PS2, right?



At least my complaint is legitimate and on-topic, which is more than what can be said of you...



Duh. Congrats on being yet another person that totally missed the point of the thread.

Doesn't even have to be a bot. Seen it happen even with people that definitely are not botting.



That's obviously not a realistic gearset and it's just used to show off various things that I have or things that I'm wearing most of the time (which I never said had to be entirely uber/pimp things). How exactly am I going to wear a AF hat along with a Royal Cloak, or a Ebisu + Fortune Egg?

Still, you made the mistake of assuming I did not have Ebisu before you even asked me if I did have one, which says to me that you've either got way too much pride in your rod or you had a ***** of a time getting it. I'll just be the one to say right now, that rod isn't really rare anymore. I see it all over the place, so you're not exactly in high, exaulted status.

You know this how?

I've personally seen at least 10 or so, there's probably more, based on some of the long-term fishers I regularly see come up on the fish ranking lists.



It's really not much different from a Lu once you already have the ability to fix a Lu, which is pretty much a given if you've gotten the Ebisu to begin with. Going from Lu->Ebisu made far less of a difference in my fishing ability than it did from (everything else)->Lu.

Long time/effort to obtain does not a good item make.



Only that isn't what the thread is about, and you still prove yourself unable to read or comprehend. Yay for you?