The unfairness of mog bonanza towards PS2 playersFollow

More pissed that there was no chance at winning at all if you had the moogle pick on a PS2.

0% chance. None. Nada. Threw your gil away when there was no chance. I didn't win and I play on PC. I had a chance. I am content. My wife plays on PS2. She had no chance once she had the moogle pick.

Why the hell shouldn't there be complaints about it?

It is BS that the "random" number generator did not work the same across all platforms.

Let SE know how you feel: https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index.html

Waitaminute,

Are we pissed off because our numbers all followed the EOEOE or the OEOEO (jungle love) format?

Or are we pissed off because the winning numbers were NOT EOEOE or OEOEO (jungle love) format?

Because, it seems to me that there was nothing stopping whatever that picked the winning numbers from picking numbers that were EOEOE or OEOEO (jungle love).

Unless there was a conspiracy...

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 11:48am by Acturus

It's bogus that because it took SE to long to get my character back, that they restored my charcter to the point of where i was, just before i went to buy my bonanza balls, so when i could actually log in, i had no balls/tickets, and the moogles were done selling them.


Then they went ahead and charged me for the world transfer that was done when i was hacked, and when i called they confirmed i was due a refund, and its been a month and next week master-card can get the money back from S-E.




P.S congrats people who won.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 11:00am by Navir

Do you think there's nothing wrong that they never had a chance? Call it a conspiracy or not but it doesn't take a whole month to randomly pick 5 numbers and if the people in charge of that knew PS2 moogles were only popping out EOEOE or OEOEO numbers then something foul has indeed taken place. Whether or not there's anything that should or could be done about it now that it's over I don't know, but if they intend to have this event again in future then it's definitely something Square-Enix should look into.

I would assume it did have an impact on them, based on the OP's pictures all being from a JP client.



That's the bigger issue. If we can't trust them to randomly generate numbers in that instance, how can we for another?

I too picked my numbers on my own. I screwed myself out of anything but a few xp scrolls, and that's ok with me. But even if the final numbers are truly picked randomly, thus making everyone's chances the same to win, if certain players were denied true random selection when they were told it was random, is still a flaw in the system. I don't care if the odds are still the same to win, a flaw is a flaw.

I'm not calling on SE, but I will say

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 12:21pm by chluke

Clearly this is part of SE's subtle way of phasing out PS2 players. Crashing in Sea and patterned randoms are just the start of SE's master plan to force people to convert to other platforms so the game can expand beyond 'PS2 limitations'.

All kidding aside, this situation does seem suspect, especially with how many have come forward with supporting evidence. The question then would be, why would SE make the PS2 random system different from that of PC and 360? Is it really that hard for the PS2 to generate a 5 digit number randomly? As others have said, it then calls into question SE's method for selecting the winning numbers.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 11:35am by Rockster

Hey! maybe the numbers are drawn on a PS2, giving you better odds! PC players were screwed over!

Seriously, your PS2 did not decide your numbers 4 screenshots did not provide your evidence.

You can still have the moogles choose randomly and have a 100% chance at a scroll, it just takes a really long time to cycle through all the random numbers until you get one with a certain number at the end.

I personally decided to go with having almost all of my 40 marbles randomly because I figured that if i chose the numbers myself there would be a bias, like using numbers in the middle range more often than numbers at the extremities, or avoiding picking 0, or avoiding duplicating numbers, or following/avoiding certain patterns.

I figured "Hey, they're going to randomly pick the winner why not have my numbers randomly picked?"



You should probably try reading the thread before you post.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 4:52pm by PlanckZero

While this may be true if there was only one number drawn, there were 5 completely different numbers chosen for each category. What are the odds that all 5 numbers will follow an EOEOE or visa versa pattern. If a ps2 user had all of their numbers randomly generated, their odds were worse.

This was the best explanation so far on how it works... as long as the number was generated randomly any pattern didn't affect the outcome. (I can't guarantee it was random though...) In the above example where person A can choose any number (between 1-6, and they choose 4) and person B is given the number 1, and then the roll turns out to be 5. Neither person wins, but they really had the same chance of winning. Person B still feels slighted, because they had no chance to pick 5 so in their mind they "couldn't" win. Mathematically not the case... but they still feel that way.

SE, for the most part, didn't have to "fix" anything mathematical laws of probability would, for the most part, decide everything, depending of course on sample size, it's not like they didn't have the gil to hand out. As surprising as it is for most of us, there are already individual players with a billion gil, a few more wouldn't do much.

I'm on PS2 (and PC but with all the hackings I just don't play on it, it's a crappy PC anyway) and I had 110 marbles, 1 Main 10 mules.

As I'm sure some have learned through this process, computer random generators aren't really random. There are formulas and patterns to random generators on computers.

see here for details: http://www.random.org/

I covered all numbers 00-99 for the last 2 digits and then used the above website to generate the other 3 numbers.

For my Main I used 7 numbers of importance to me, and then let the moogle pick 3 cuz I was worried they'd use the same formula as the moogle to pick the number and I wanted to use the same system. I guaranteed myself the XP scrolls on everything but my Main and at least a Rank 4, but nothing else. I was worried my "system" wouldn't yield anything else and I'd miss some of the multiple possibilities but oh well.

And I got pretty much what was expected.

10 XP Scrolls on 10 mules that can't use them (Highest is 13 I might bother lol).
1 Rank 4

and pleasantly 3 XP scrolls on my main (3 numbers of significance ended in 1).

As you can see, I put a lot of thought in it (barely helped) but it was fun to dream of winning for a bit. The 3 numbers the moogle on PS2 generated were:

EEEOO
EEOOO
OEOEE

Just adding my experience and opinion to the group. The only question for me is whether or not the winning number was randomly generated, considering how many things we rely on SE for to generate (drop rates, NM spawn, Random, lotting....)
the Bonanza is the least of my concerns for fairness, SE really has no reason to ***** it's playerbase, as much as people think otherwise.

I cant believe people are posting stuff saying it was actully fair. I play on xbox but i will tell you its complete *********

Yes, you could pick all numbers yourself. Did everyone do this, no. I'm willing to bet people actually let the moogles pick the majority of the numbers, especially those with multiple mules.

Because the random number generator would only use ~6k numbers instead of 10k there would be much more overlap with numbers between players.

Imagine if the situation were reversed for a second now and the winning numbers on each rank all followed the pattern. There would be like 300+ rank1 winners 75% of which played on ps2, 75% of winners for rank2 on ps2, etc.

Would you think it was fair then? I mean, you did have the same chance to win with the numbers YOU picked, right?

lol @ all the people calling it a programming "mistake". You don't design what's supposed to be a RNG and then intentionally make it so that it will never pick certain numbers (and had we known this beforehand, it's really no shock that all the winning numbers fell under that category). Unless there's a new definition of random that I'm not aware of...




If you are ever in the situation of Person B and you think that they aren't using a rigged die that either won't roll 1s or is significantly less likely to, we can also file you under the gullible/ignorant category.