The unfairness of mog bonanza towards PS2 playersFollow

This guy gets it, and also nailed the precise reason why they "had" to avoid alternating digit patterns for the winning numbers due to their "***** up".

Thayos, I see where you are coming from but let's look at it this way.
Suppose every plyaer only chose the moogle option. Every single player, on every single platform. So we have

Playerx = 360 non EOEOE
Playery = PC non EOEOE
Playerz = Ps2 EOEOE

Scenario 1
SE hold random drawing: Number comes with EOEOE pattern.
Now since the ps2 was the only console to have random numbers with such a pattern, there is a boatload of winners and this floods the market. It stands to reason that upon examining the numbers SE would see that numerous PS2 players have this number, and there are multiple winners. They see this as a problem, and do another roll. They continue to do this until they get a number that they are comfortable with.

Scenario 2
SE holds random drawing: Number comes out with a non EOEOE pattern
Now since the ps2 was the only console to have random numbers with such a pattern, no PS2 player even has the possibility of winning in this lottery.

I don't know why you don't see a problem with that, but I think that eliminating 1/3 of the playerbase from winning anything is a very big issue.





Except it wasn't average joe that noticed it. It was the geeks who think that bad programming needs to be fixed.

I think it was a bad idea PERIOD to have a lotto type game. I knew something like this was gonna happen. Someone trying to find something bad about the system to use against SE. *sigh*

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? =(

Edited, Jul 2nd 2008 1:20pm by Neeny

All I can say is I really doubt SE did this on purpose. They know the community, they know the fan sites, and they know that in doing something like this it would be caught pretty fast. As well as **** off a lot of people.

They had complete control over what number was picked.. they picked it. If they did do this on purpose, they went to a lot of trouble for nothing imo.

Proof please.

Hmmmm clearly the problem here is there's too many math nerds, so everyone else unite for some epic math nerd wedging~!!!!

1. I said almost assuredly. I did not say definately, but anyone with reasonable intelligence would consider that, in an MMORPG that has historically been plagued by RMT in every way imaginable, the winning numbers would be closely examined in order to ensure that valid players were winning prizes.

2. Does anyone have an account of one of their mules winning a top tier prize? I have heard of none, and while I realize that this is arguing by anecdote, I think it's safe to say that there are no level 1 mules running around with black belts or 100mil gil

3. The very way the numbers were chosen indicates that they never intended to take the first pick. If they had, the results would have been immediate, they would have just /random and given us the numbers. There would be no waiting period.

So take that with a grain of salt, but don't be so naive as to think that they just /random and took that initial number.



Edited, Jul 2nd 2008 2:32pm by TerrainFFXI

If you choose to have the system randomly pick your numbers, and then find out that system intentionally could only pick from certain numbers instead of all available numbers in the series, yes. Especially if someone else playing the same lotto, and also having theirs randomly picked by the system, had a working machine which used random numbers from the full array. Now imagine if it was so wide spread, that the majority of people playing the lottery were given numbers from this flawed machine.

Such a discrepancy would completely undermine the lottery system, and there would be hell to pay, all the way up the ladder, and more law suits than you can shake a stick at. I guarantee everyone of the people who were given the flawed numbers would win the suit. It wouldn't matter if their odds were any different from anyone else to win in the end, the system still broke down.

All the people who think this topic and anyone supporting it are solely just whining about not winning are pretty funny. Way to miss the point.

Again, I didn't even get my numbers "randomly" picked. That doesn't mean I still can't view the whole flawed RNG thing as ********* In this day and age, there is no excuse for that kind of thing.

I'm a PS2 player who won two rank 4 and one rank 3 prizes.

HOWEVER, the numbers that ended up winning were numbers I picked, NOT numbers the moogle picked for me.

Chances are your two friends will tell you the same thing.

I'm surprised more people aren't getting what the "problem" is...

Well, it's ONLY a problem if you believe the conspiracy that SE handpicked the numbers (which is plausible given the fact that fewer people won than statistics expected).

But, mathmaticians and statisticians will both agree that IF the numbers were handpicked in order to come up with a specific quantity of winners, then the fact that having one of the gaming engines automatically limit the numbers into EOEOE or OEOEO (jungle love) formats would help create numbers that SE would NOT choose when they went through handpicking the "winners".

That is a very big -if- though, so it must be taken with a grain of salt.

At the end of the day though, it was a pretty dumb move to let the people in charge of the lotto choose your numbers for you. Common sense would dictate that you play numbers of your own choosing so as to keep as much of the "game" in your hands as possible.

What absolutely sucks is that there is no recourse for this. SE would not admit to handpicking anything, and unless there is some sort of proof, even EOEOE or OEOEO (jungle love) numbers could have potentially been winning numbers (although it certainly lends credability to the conspiracy that none of the winning numbers were EOEOE or OEOEO (jungle love), doesn't it).

/shrug

For #2 I'm quite a sure a Japanese mule had a rank 1 marble unless it was shopped.

And by doing that, you would have been guaranteed at not getting two or more exp scrolls. What's your point?

Assassinator of Ramuh won on his mule...

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59863&page=10