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#252 Nov 26 2008 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Also duping Page 6.

Page 6 for sale: 300 million gil.
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#253 Nov 26 2008 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
MDenham wrote:
Also duping Page 6.

Page 6 for sale: 300 million gil.


I think you just duped the Page 5 claim.
#254 Nov 26 2008 at 10:26 PM Rating: Default
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Players who take advantage of in-game mechanics not intended as normal means of game play may have their account suspended and all items or experience obtained through those actions confiscated.

Some people need to learn to read.


Everybody knows it wasn't meant to be, but with the crappy Drop rates this made Salvage slightly better to do because you could complete more Salvage Sets which is better if you're doing 20 other events and only have 100 minutes every 3 days to do it.
#255 Nov 26 2008 at 10:43 PM Rating: Good
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Overburn wrote:

Everybody knows it wasn't meant to be, but with the crappy Drop rates this made Salvage slightly better to do because you could complete more Salvage Sets which is better if you're doing 20 other events and only have 100 minutes every 3 days to do it.


You can use that same logic to:

"Well the drop rates on {Item X} are crappy and theres always a few people there, and since I dont have time to camp for it or farm alot I just bought some gil and got the AH version."

An exploit is an exploit. It wasnt a feature and it was clearly unintended. Whether or not it alleviate poor drop rates is by the by, they're set that way for a reason and if SE want it easier, THEY will make it easier not YOU.
#256 Nov 26 2008 at 10:48 PM Rating: Good
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Overburn wrote:
Suucat wrote:

[Game Exploits]
Players who take advantage of in-game mechanics not intended as normal means of game play may have their account suspended and all items or experience obtained through those actions confiscated.

Some people need to learn to read.


Everybody knows it wasn't meant to be, but with the crappy Drop rates this made Salvage slightly better to do because you could complete more Salvage Sets which is better if you're doing 20 other events and only have 100 minutes every 3 days to do it.


Well yes, things tend to be easier when you cheat.

/golfclap
#257 Nov 26 2008 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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    http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=42;mid=122365378594647193;num=7;page=1


selling duplicated drops here?
#258 Nov 26 2008 at 11:05 PM Rating: Default
Kordain wrote:
Overburn wrote:

Everybody knows it wasn't meant to be, but with the crappy Drop rates this made Salvage slightly better to do because you could complete more Salvage Sets which is better if you're doing 20 other events and only have 100 minutes every 3 days to do it.


You can use that same logic to:

"Well the drop rates on {Item X} are crappy and theres always a few people there, and since I dont have time to camp for it or farm alot I just bought some gil and got the AH version."

An exploit is an exploit. It wasnt a feature and it was clearly unintended. Whether or not it alleviate poor drop rates is by the by, they're set that way for a reason and if SE want it easier, THEY will make it easier not YOU.


It was an exploit, it wasn't buying gil. If you want to put them on the same level that's your choice, but I used the exploit and don't Condone Gil buying. Not everyone uses Narrow-minded One size Fits all Philosophy for playing the game.
#259REDACTED, Posted: Nov 26 2008 at 11:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Things tend to be less Tedious when you can actually complete Items you want in a timely fashion.
#260 Nov 26 2008 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:


Well yes, things tend to be easier when you cheat.

/golfclap


Things tend to be less Tedious when you can actually complete Items you want in a timely fashion.

/goldclap


I think it's tedious to have to work so many hours for my salary, I think I'll just embezzle a few thousand dollars from my employer so I can have more time to play ffxi.

You're a cheater, worse than RMT in my opinion. You did not accomplish anything in this game other than a false sense of achievement.

I pay the same monthly fee as you do so please explain why you are entitled to have an unfair advantage over me? "It's too hard...waaaa" is not an excuse.
I hope you get banned, I really do.



#261 Nov 26 2008 at 11:15 PM Rating: Default
luxv wrote:
Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:


Well yes, things tend to be easier when you cheat.

/golfclap


Things tend to be less Tedious when you can actually complete Items you want in a timely fashion.

/goldclap


I think it's tedious to have to work so many hours for my salary, I think I'll just embezzle a few thousand dollars from my employer so I can have more time to play ffxi.

You're a cheater, worse than RMT in my opinion. You did not accomplish anything in this game other than a false sense of achievement.

I pay the same monthly fee as you do so please explain why you are entitled to have an unfair advantage over me? "It's too hard...waaaa" is not an excuse.
I hope you get banned, I really do.



I'm worse than RMT? I got better stuff for me AND my friends. Go do salvage with you and a friend lotting The same piece, kinda feels ****** when you both want it. I hope you enjoy Deciding if you should have a drop or your friend should get it, I really do.


See, I can say random stuff that Means nothing too.
#262 Nov 26 2008 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:
Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:


Well yes, things tend to be easier when you cheat.

/golfclap


Things tend to be less Tedious when you can actually complete Items you want in a timely fashion.

/goldclap


I think it's tedious to have to work so many hours for my salary, I think I'll just embezzle a few thousand dollars from my employer so I can have more time to play ffxi.

You're a cheater, worse than RMT in my opinion. You did not accomplish anything in this game other than a false sense of achievement.

I pay the same monthly fee as you do so please explain why you are entitled to have an unfair advantage over me? "It's too hard...waaaa" is not an excuse.
I hope you get banned, I really do.



I'm worse than RMT? I got better stuff for me AND my friends. Go do salvage with you and a friend lotting The same piece, kinda feels sh*tty when you both want it. I hope you enjoy Deciding if you should have a drop or your friend should get it, I really do.


See, I can say random stuff that Means nothing too.


No, you cheated to get better stuff for you and your friends. Stop dancing around that. You cheated plain and simple.

The rationale of "cheating is a-okay because I got great stuff!" is just beyond stupid.



Edited, Nov 27th 2008 2:20am by luxv
#263 Nov 26 2008 at 11:21 PM Rating: Default
luxv wrote:
Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:
Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:


Well yes, things tend to be easier when you cheat.

/golfclap


Things tend to be less Tedious when you can actually complete Items you want in a timely fashion.

/goldclap


I think it's tedious to have to work so many hours for my salary, I think I'll just embezzle a few thousand dollars from my employer so I can have more time to play ffxi.

You're a cheater, worse than RMT in my opinion. You did not accomplish anything in this game other than a false sense of achievement.

I pay the same monthly fee as you do so please explain why you are entitled to have an unfair advantage over me? "It's too hard...waaaa" is not an excuse.
I hope you get banned, I really do.



I'm worse than RMT? I got better stuff for me AND my friends. Go do salvage with you and a friend lotting The same piece, kinda feels sh*tty when you both want it. I hope you enjoy Deciding if you should have a drop or your friend should get it, I really do.


See, I can say random stuff that Means nothing too.


No, you cheated to get better stuff for you and your friends. Stop dancing around that. You cheated plain and simple.



Not dancing around the fact that is was an Exploit, Just that The people who did it aren't Bank Stealing, RMT dealing, Child Raping Monsters that you claim they are. They're people who wanted drops and chose to get them in a way that is now impossible.
#264 Nov 26 2008 at 11:22 PM Rating: Excellent
player A: damn SE, the droprate suck, do something abt it.
SE: looks at data, (scratch head) its 3X more than we program, y ppl are *********
player B: #%^@#% droprate
SE: (confused)

I hope now that they fix it, they will review the droprate, and adjust it accordingly.

Those ppl getting their gear using the exploit, is actually on the expense of others.


#265 Nov 26 2008 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:
Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:
Overburn wrote:
luxv wrote:


Well yes, things tend to be easier when you cheat.

/golfclap


Things tend to be less Tedious when you can actually complete Items you want in a timely fashion.

/goldclap


I think it's tedious to have to work so many hours for my salary, I think I'll just embezzle a few thousand dollars from my employer so I can have more time to play ffxi.

You're a cheater, worse than RMT in my opinion. You did not accomplish anything in this game other than a false sense of achievement.

I pay the same monthly fee as you do so please explain why you are entitled to have an unfair advantage over me? "It's too hard...waaaa" is not an excuse.
I hope you get banned, I really do.



I'm worse than RMT? I got better stuff for me AND my friends. Go do salvage with you and a friend lotting The same piece, kinda feels sh*tty when you both want it. I hope you enjoy Deciding if you should have a drop or your friend should get it, I really do.


See, I can say random stuff that Means nothing too.


No, you cheated to get better stuff for you and your friends. Stop dancing around that. You cheated plain and simple.



Not dancing around the fact that is was an Exploit, Just that The people who did it aren't Bank Stealing, RMT dealing, Child Raping Monsters that you claim they are. They're people who wanted drops and chose to get them in a way that is now impossible.


Personally I could care less if you want to feel great wearing gear you did not earn but its things like this that are turning ffxi into a total sham.
#266 Nov 26 2008 at 11:29 PM Rating: Excellent
Overburn wrote:
They're people who wanted drops and chose to get them in a way that is now impossible.
...which was exploiting the system in a way that was unintended.

How anyone can justify doing this, and think they are in the right, is beyond me
#267REDACTED, Posted: Nov 26 2008 at 11:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've actually obtained no useful 35s for me from this Method, At most we got 10-12 items that people actually wanted and a lot of tossed items.
#268REDACTED, Posted: Nov 27 2008 at 12:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) im still a bit confused as to why people are getting all butt hurt over this (outside of sandworm) lol.
#269 Nov 27 2008 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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zoogelio wrote:


Should they be banned? Yep! Just like the Tavnazia resale people, the cherry muffin people, and the few other exploits there've been, they egregiously exploited a bug,


Only RMT were banned for doing cherry muffins, and they were banned for being RMT not because of what they were making.


Cherry muffins were not a bug. If you synthed them without getting an HQ you lost money. Making money by HQing synths isn't an exploit it's practicing a tradeskill.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#270 Nov 27 2008 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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3x the demand for Khroma and Orihalcon if you didn't notice.
#271Lobivopis, Posted: Nov 27 2008 at 1:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So why haven't they banned every KC DRK AV zerg in existance.
#272scchan, Posted: Nov 27 2008 at 1:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just to make it clear... There is even quite a few Salvage goers had never heard of this before, so the exploit does not increase the demand that much suddenly all Salvage drop rates to 1/3. I do not think anyone will know for sure how much this exploit was taken advantage of. In fact,I have been doing Salvage on and off... never knew about it... until yesterday.
#273 Nov 27 2008 at 1:46 AM Rating: Good
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If using Blood Weapon to drain back the HP used up by Souleater with a kraken club to kill a mob in a way SE never intended isn't an exploit then I don't know what is.


I assume you're talking about the recent changes to Absolute Virtue, since Kraken Club DRK has been known about by Square-Enix for years, since the Kraken Club existed in fact.

Where does the unforeseen exploit fit into this exactly? Where is the Sandworm item duping? Where is the Tavnazia gil duping?

Using Blood Weapon to get back HP from Souleater has and always will be intended, with and without multi-hit weapons or lots of stacked haste.
Any changes to the way it works is for job and enemy balance, not because its an exploit that Square-Enix didn't know was happening.


I don't care whether or not Square-Enix bans or takes items away, but your analogy fails.

Edited, Nov 27th 2008 2:05am by OrofinOdin
#274 Nov 27 2008 at 2:36 AM Rating: Good
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Yes that BG thread was bad, but I think that thread also created the illusion how many people were actually do that. In fact this was so such an old bug, but yet so little people heard about it was just amazing. The bug itself was probably discovered by accident itself also. Accidental triggering a bug is not intentionally taking advantage of an exploit.


This was pretty small amongst the western playerbase because it's in our nature to one up each other and keep it secret, it was huge in the JP playerbase who found it to begin with because they shared the info amongst themselves freely. This is a lot bigger than people realise and it put a large amount of extra drops into the game. As for not taking advantage of it, it was an accident at first but the millions of times it was done after sure wasn't.

I am hoping that the fact they knew about this a few months ago and took so long was because they put some kind of log system in the places it happens to keep track(which is really easy to do, they just needed to track selected items upon entry compared to loot pool and number of items when you exit), hopefully the ban stick is coming..they don't even need to ban everyone just some high profile people would do. Maybe some guys with 20 salvage pieces and relics to show them up, as much as people think otherwise a pimped out player is no more valuable to the bottom line that a level 45 first time player so better to make a stand on people that will be taken notice of.

Ban about 10 high profile players per server at the very least as a warning and it will be a step in the right direction, they are so stupid they will just go buy another acc anyway, so no loss. Something this big really does require some kind of repurcussions or the next glitches will be abused far far worse.

FFXI is almost as bad as PSO was in the day, as much as they try to fix the problems it is still heavily plagued by bots, dupes, cheats, rmt etc and they do come out on top over everyone else. When you see shells formed around botters claiming everything out of nowhere, getting all the drops and people hoarding more salvage drops on one person than most have for their whole salvage group it shows it worse than anything else could. At least pso had the excuse that the devs didn't care, Square do and its still wrecked in terms of fair play.

Edited, Nov 27th 2008 7:01am by preludes
#275 Nov 27 2008 at 2:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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FFXI is almost as bad as PSO was in the day, as much as they try to fix the problems it is still heavily plagued by bots, dupes, cheats, rmt etc and they do come out on top over everyone else. When you see shells formed around botters claiming everything out of nowhere, getting all the drops and people hoaring more salvage drops on one person than most have for their whole salvage group it shows it worse than anything else could. At least pso had the excuse that the devs didn't care, Square do and its still wrecked in terms of fair play.


Bugs are pretty much inevitable in any piece of program, and I am glad that it appeared that SE is try to promptly fix it. And then again, we have no way to tell... when SE knew about this, but again it will not be a surprise that it is a recent thing for them.

What annoyed me the most is players intentionally kept it secret to juice from it that so little people know about it. Instead of telling developers and appeal for better drop rates -- they kept it as a "trade secret" and make tons of gil from it.

In someways, BG silencing of potentially exploits is a bad thing. In fact, if this was allowed to blow out openly quickly -- that it became a widely known fact, I am sure it will get fixed A LOT sooner. There is also no way to tell if people that have known about this bug, but has not taken advantage of it, has informed SE developers. SE developers do not talk about when they about this, and the people they know about the bugs and never opened it have really let it out of control.

But then again, people who discovered the bug by accident are probably Salvage dieharders. It is against their interest or peer pressure from people who can juice from their to disclose it to begin with. BG mods themselves are probably under peer pressure from their own folks or other players to not disclose it or burst it to SE.

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This was pretty small amongst the western playerbase because it's in our nature to one up each other and keep it secret, it was huge in the JP playerbase who found it to begin with because they shared the info amongst themselves freely.


I have done Salvage with close Japanese friends too.. and for sure I never heard from them before also. Or may be I am just hanging out with the "right people"...


Edited, Nov 27th 2008 6:33am by scchan
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#276 Nov 27 2008 at 3:45 AM Rating: Good
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CaptainTeg wrote:
Pikko wrote:
Allakhazam has the same policy


You have a policy of using exploits in game and hiding it from others? Is there some fancy gardening trick your hiding from us!?!


Bet Pikko is exploiting glow rates, that right glow not grow.
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