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It comes down to "How many people abused this and can we contain it?".

If too many people abused it, SE will just let it slide. If its enough that they can contain the people who abused - they will apply bans or threaten people into dropping pieces (see: Snowmen Fever)

Sandworm dupers are definitely priority for bans if they do apply any though - duping items to sell for profit should turn a few STF heads.

There is a staggering level of hypocrisy over in the Bluegartr thread. A number of names of posters there, are people who post here, who insist casual players should not have access to nice endgame gear, it would appear that people who exploit glitches however, should.

Triple all drops in locations that have some of the most sought after items in the game, including, but not limited to, craft material that are used to upgrade the salvage pieces.

So not only where they getting their gear faster, and cheaper cause they were getting ingots faster...but they were also profiting off all those "little people" who were oblivious to the exploit when they tried to upgrade the salvage armor they got legitimately?

Duping Antares Harnesses, Ancient Torques, and all other sellable items in between from Sandworm areas, gearing themselves, but at the same time getting 2 more to sell to everyone else?

The more I think about it the less it seems like a victimless exploit.

We should all just boycott Salvage. The Time::reward ratio is horrible.

(and no, I don't do salvage and didn't know about the exploit ; ; )

I can't imagine how you could exploit triple drops in the other assault areas though, none of them drop anything decent except the 1/50 appraisel item.

Most likely the HNM floors in Nyzul that drop Askar etc.

Agreed, it seems fairly "harmless" at first. So there was a bug that could allow people to get their Salvage kit a bit quicker and it looks like it was fairly widespread used. Does me no harm though, if someones prancing around in full Ares go them. I mean at least when I finally get mine sorted Ill have a proper sense of achievement.

Then you dig deeper. You realise that it wasnt just affecting R/E armour pieces but a whole slew of items, and most of them rare and very desirable. You read lines like:



Now forgive me if im wrong... if the STF made a post saying "hey guys we found this exploit and some RMT dude had used it to get 25mil. Should we ban him or slap on the wrist?" I can 100% without doubt guarentee the people in this BG thread would be the ones running a witch hunt to get the bug sealed EVERYONE that used it banned. Now however, the shoe is on the other foot and because it wasnt "faceless RMT" that used it, its acceptable?

Hipocricy of the highest level. Ive lost alot of respect for alot of people over this.

Ahh, gotcha! Apologies for stating the obvious then.



Yeah, I enjoyed that one too, in particular the bit about the people who "deserved" to know the glitch.

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 10:17am by Sicklove

I never had any. Sure back in the day they used to worth a nod now and then but for years now BG has been nothing but a haven for the worst kind of elitist scum. They want everything for themselves so they can lord it over us lowly mortals. I say ban the lot of the bastards if they participated at all in the exploit. Last time I checked the ToS, exploiting a bug was a bannable offense. I just hope SE follows through.

Or go into their accounts and trade all exploited gear for rusty crap.

I did not know there is an item glitch in Salvage, and I used to do them quite religiously.

While I was still trying to figure out what the glitch is... I did peeped (multi-tasking) the BG thread... Oh my...


I myself am also frustrated with Salvage drop rates, but I do not think banning those people are right -- it is a bug in the game. But I really think it is really bad crying like that on BG thread. Just FYI, every time I did Salvage, I was doing that with people that shared no idea about the glitch either. It is distasteful to cry over glitched drop rates when they are people who are even struggling more.

Do I share some jealously? I do also. But then, I had always done Salvage the way it is "intended," and it was also my choice to go Salvage and also to stop going Salvage also.

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 10:45am by scchan

Yeah that's some serious stuff there. I wouldn't agree with bannings, simply because if it was any good amount of people FFXI would suffer from the loss of players, but man.

Thanks for linking the BG thread. It's comedic gold. Happy Thanksgiving cheaters, lol.

It depends on how widespread it was. If a lot of endgame salvage shells were doing this across servers, banning people who did could cut a pretty large chunk of total population out of the game. At this point in FFXI, I don't think the game could take a large amount of player bans, mostly because players don't come back as easily as RMT do.

Maybe a suspension might be better, or locking offenders from salvage for a period of time. Just saying at this point we don't need a lot of permanent loss of players, if it was a common exploit.