Well, I wish I could say I'm surprised that these people were dirty but I would be lying. Endgame corruption is about as hard-wired in most shells as it is in Chicago politics.
The one solution that I can think of that would be a form of death penalty in this case would be to strip whoever used this exploit of any and ALL endgame gear they have ever acquired (be they from Salvage, Dynamis, Nyzul, Sky, Sea, or HNM) and put them up as part of a special contest for each server (something akin to Bonanza). Regular players (i.e. semi- or even non-endgamers) would have a chance to win these items, which would be a form of karmic justice in my view.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 10:31am by AriesSeventyThree
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Varchet the gambler was just a bug in the game, but it still got patched, and people still got banned for it. If people are crowing about making 25 mil out of the split alliance glitch, then this isn't just about a few pieces of EX gear. This whole situation being uncovered certainly goes to explain how so many LS were able to start "selling" the salvage pieces.
May be I do not know the severity of the Salvage glitch. Yes, I do think -- may be me for being double standard -- that the gil glitch is far more severe (especially I started before the Great Vana'diel Inflation >_> era, nothing would have beaten the severity of that glitch in the history of this game), but then I had no idea how much people are advancing in Salvage with that glitch. The Gambler thing were probably not as taken advantage (gut feeling) as bad as the Salvage glitch and for sure no where near the "Great Inflation" glitch. And to the context of that Gambler glitch, I am sure players are far more willing to burst the bubble to SE tech support if they found them.
I did notice popping of Salvage gear selling in FFXIAH lately. But I was more thinking, "Oh man, those guys must be doing that for so long and they got spare 35s" Of course, I have no solid proof if those guys were glitching, but certainly it puts a big question mark on them now.
Anyway, that BG thread was really sick. I am still happy that I had earned my Salvage gear the way it is intended, because I know I did the work for it.
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Ive lost alot of respect for alot of people over this.
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I never had any.
I never had any respect to people who like to show off excessively even if they are not glitching.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 11:22am by scchan
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After just reading the first page of BG posts, my favorite thing is that they are all sad about the -fix- that is occurring. Note, they aren't saying gimp because they know that the system is broken.
Dynamis drops were broken, they fixed them, everyone rejoiced. Salvage/SW NMs/etc are broken, they plan to fix them, and there is a bunch of crying because they can no longer take advantage of a broken system.
Lawl.
Dynamis drops were broken, they fixed them, everyone rejoiced. Salvage/SW NMs/etc are broken, they plan to fix them, and there is a bunch of crying because they can no longer take advantage of a broken system.
Lawl.
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Anyway, that BG thread was really sick. I am still happy that I had earned my Salvage gear the way it is intended, because I know I did the work for it.
The real kick in the grinner here, is the fact that people who did gain their pieces as intended have had their achievements blighted by the ones who shortcut it.
When I'm good they never remember,
When I'm bad they never forget
When I'm bad they never forget
Cause I see it all too often, especially on BG from BG types:
QQ
QQ to all you ***** who got the rug pulled out from under you. Q ******* Q.
QQ to all you ***** who got the rug pulled out from under you. Q ******* Q.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11287
And here I thought these guys were just getting claim on the sandworm multiple times in a row. Sucks though, looks like the harness is going to go back up, just when the price was close enough for me to grab one. I find it funny how many sales of 2-3 from the same people were going up though.
If it was just limited to Salvage, I would say good, someone found a way around SE's rediculous drop rates. Since it was in the doomvoid fights, and nyz, and people were obviously using it to make gil, I think a suspension might be in order. This is something that SE had left in the game, and an exploit is an exploit, but this has been known (at least in some circles) since back in the spring.
They should have been a little faster on the fix, but I honestly don't see them banning that many people over this, I think they would have done it when they did the maintenance. The only thing that concerns me, is if this affects the ZNM drops that would sometimes drop 2x of the r/e armor pieces.
And here I thought these guys were just getting claim on the sandworm multiple times in a row. Sucks though, looks like the harness is going to go back up, just when the price was close enough for me to grab one. I find it funny how many sales of 2-3 from the same people were going up though.
If it was just limited to Salvage, I would say good, someone found a way around SE's rediculous drop rates. Since it was in the doomvoid fights, and nyz, and people were obviously using it to make gil, I think a suspension might be in order. This is something that SE had left in the game, and an exploit is an exploit, but this has been known (at least in some circles) since back in the spring.
They should have been a little faster on the fix, but I honestly don't see them banning that many people over this, I think they would have done it when they did the maintenance. The only thing that concerns me, is if this affects the ZNM drops that would sometimes drop 2x of the r/e armor pieces.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11286
OH HAI 3 Breastplates from one player
OH HAI 3 Breastplates from one player
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OH HAI 3 Breastplates from one player
I'm slightly more puzzled by the guy who bought 3 of them....
http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=1367851
When I'm good they never remember,
When I'm bad they never forget
When I'm bad they never forget
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OH HAI 3 Breastplates from one player
I'm slightly more puzzled by the guy who bought 3 of them....
http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=1367851
Along with a whole bunch of high ticket items. Maybe a LS Bank?
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The real kick in the grinner here, is the fact that people who did gain their pieces as intended have had their achievements blighted by the ones who shortcut it.
Anyway... I am very happy it got fixed.
As for Cerberus, I can probably guess who may be the people that has taken advantage of that glitch, and their name is already somewhat in question to begin with. I do give benefit of doubt to other apparently-probably clean Salvage goers. They are probably just like me... Haha. I am not going to question another player's Salvage gear unless I know they are pre-associated with certain Cerberus LSes.
And oh...... On that BG thread... we got a few former Allakazham exiles who are crying about that glitch. One of them even were accused of cheating (I can probably dig that thread out)... I think some longer time poster know who I am talking about -- remember the beard evil looking pirate avatar! Sure that sounds familiar :P
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 11:39am by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Someone on BG brought up a good point that reflects how SE may handle this no matter how many people used the exploit.
Snowmen
Everyone remember when that minor glitch in SE's coding let people get the snowmen furniture about a month early? Even for something so minuscule and pointless the GM's went to each and every person who ended up getting a snowman and more or less told them to drop them or they'd have to take action of their own.
Snowmen
Everyone remember when that minor glitch in SE's coding let people get the snowmen furniture about a month early? Even for something so minuscule and pointless the GM's went to each and every person who ended up getting a snowman and more or less told them to drop them or they'd have to take action of their own.
Sicklove wrote:
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OH HAI 3 Breastplates from one player
I'm slightly more puzzled by the guy who bought 3 of them....
http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=1367851
Buying them up to server jump maybe? Don't know, that's good question.
I think it's funny if you follow some of the players who sold those 3x items.
For instance sold 3x ixion cloaks, and 3x azoths, as well as buying a bunch of imp ingots, I wonder why...
Then there's this guy with 3x oily trousers, as well as 3x harnesses and a couple ixion cloaks and hermes sandals. I'm sure there's more, but I'm being summoned back to work.
I think it just shows that Bismark has some people who arent exactly smart about covering up something that's an exploit. I know these people are prob selling for their shells, but I woulda had new mules spreading the **** around so it wouldn't have been so obvious on the ah.
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Someone on BG brought up a good point that reflects how SE may handle this no matter how many people used the exploit.
Snowmen
Everyone remember when that minor glitch in SE's coding let people get the snowmen furniture about a month early? Even for something so minuscule and pointless the GM's went to each and every person who ended up getting a snowman and more or less told them to drop them or they'd have to take action of their own.
Snowmen
Everyone remember when that minor glitch in SE's coding let people get the snowmen furniture about a month early? Even for something so minuscule and pointless the GM's went to each and every person who ended up getting a snowman and more or less told them to drop them or they'd have to take action of their own.
The thing is, snowmen are easy to track. You can run a simple query on the server to figure out who has a snowman.
It's not so trivial to figure out who exploited the duping trick. What are you going to search for? People bazaaring 3 of the same thing? Salvage groups that have most pieces completed in multiples of 3? I don't even know if they could trace it if they wanted to. The only way they could do it is by scanning chatlogs in those zones to look for instances where an item dropped once to the pool and then three times to players. However, I'm under the impression that SE doesn't keep chatlogs around that long... for example if you call a GM for a harassment issue, if you or the other player has left the zone then often they'll tell you they don't have the logs anymore. Considering how much raw data that would consume to store all that stuff, I doubt they keep it.
Not that I'd have a problem if they did. This bug has been around for quite a while, I've been aware of it for about 4 months now and I'm sure it was around for a good while before that. I'm proud to say I've never exploited it. It was tempting to do it for the alexandrites, especially as it became more well-known and it sucks watching a lot of people who do exploit it flying ahead of me in mythic weapon progress, but at the same time I know that it wouldn't give me the same satisfaction of completing it with the knowledge that I did so by busting my *** rather than using cheats, RMT, fishbotting, and such like most of the mythic weapon upgraders are doing (including a certain person in my LS).
All I have to say is wow...
You have players that scold others for using cheats (Fish bots, claim bots, etc) but then these same individuals use an exploit to cheat the system into getting more drops. I am reminded of an old saying that goes:
"Don't complain about the snow on your neighbor's roof when your own doorstep is unclean"
These players have 0 room to cry or complain because it was something that wasn't supposed to be in the game and have no room to criticize others for botting, hacking, etc.
As far as the glitch, it starts to make sense as to how there are now a ton of salvage sets on my server. I know its been over a year since its release but I hear so many complaints about how the 35 pieces hardly drop, yet I pass a lot of people in Whitegate with full sets or the coveted body pieces. It also explains how someone over on BG reportedly has over 20,000 Alexandrites for their Mythic Weapon. I don't think that those people involved should be banned, however, they should give players a warning that if they are caught using exploits in the future that they will be punished. I just hope that this doesn't have a negative effect to where one group ruins it for everyone else and as a punishment "for balance purposes" SE will ninja nerfs the droprate for a short period of time.
You have players that scold others for using cheats (Fish bots, claim bots, etc) but then these same individuals use an exploit to cheat the system into getting more drops. I am reminded of an old saying that goes:
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"Don't complain about the snow on your neighbor's roof when your own doorstep is unclean"
These players have 0 room to cry or complain because it was something that wasn't supposed to be in the game and have no room to criticize others for botting, hacking, etc.
As far as the glitch, it starts to make sense as to how there are now a ton of salvage sets on my server. I know its been over a year since its release but I hear so many complaints about how the 35 pieces hardly drop, yet I pass a lot of people in Whitegate with full sets or the coveted body pieces. It also explains how someone over on BG reportedly has over 20,000 Alexandrites for their Mythic Weapon. I don't think that those people involved should be banned, however, they should give players a warning that if they are caught using exploits in the future that they will be punished. I just hope that this doesn't have a negative effect to where one group ruins it for everyone else and as a punishment "for balance purposes" SE will ninja nerfs the droprate for a short period of time.
Tummie - Garuda/Lakshmi (Retired)
Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.
Return1 argued with Mellowy and wrote:
Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.
I think my favorite part of it all is the super hardcore elitist people that are quick to say how "easy" this game is and how SE keeps making it easier. These are the same people crying like babies on BG right now after having their "easy button" taken away.
Today is my birthday, and I'd enjoy as a birthday gift having all of these people banned.
I wouldn't miss any of them because anyone who is willing to exploit a glitch like this would more than likely be willing to steal from you if given the chance. If you can ignore your conscience on one issue, you can certainly ignore it on another.
Today is my birthday, and I'd enjoy as a birthday gift having all of these people banned.
I wouldn't miss any of them because anyone who is willing to exploit a glitch like this would more than likely be willing to steal from you if given the chance. If you can ignore your conscience on one issue, you can certainly ignore it on another.
Anyone else find it funny that they're fixing this soon after some JP players are just about done with their mythic weapons according to BG? Reminds me of the wall of justice glitch for AV. NA get nothing, JP beat it with full drops via the same method. All of a sudden *boom* patch.
From what I read the JP communities talked about this very openly with no such change and yet now they're changing it seemingly out of nowhere when they've most likely heard about it a while ago if they really read premier communities.
Way to go SE. Now LSs can go 1/120 for one piece instead of 1/120 for 3 pieces on a once per run NM.
PS: Also to all you people saying that its good to get rid of all those elitist, sure they mostly jerks but they're also the ones who figure out almost all the aspects of the game like strats and how gear performs.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 12:22pm by Multidude
From what I read the JP communities talked about this very openly with no such change and yet now they're changing it seemingly out of nowhere when they've most likely heard about it a while ago if they really read premier communities.
Way to go SE. Now LSs can go 1/120 for one piece instead of 1/120 for 3 pieces on a once per run NM.
PS: Also to all you people saying that its good to get rid of all those elitist, sure they mostly jerks but they're also the ones who figure out almost all the aspects of the game like strats and how gear performs.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 12:22pm by Multidude
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Anyone else find it funny that they're fixing this soon after some JP players are just about done with their mythic weapons according to BG? Reminds me of the wall of justice glitch for AV. NA get nothing, JP beat it with full drops via the same method. All of a sudden *boom* patch.
From what I read the JP communities talked about this very openly with no such change and yet now they're changing it seemingly out of nowhere when they've most likely heard about it a while ago if they really read premier communities.
Way to go SE. Now LSs can go 1/120 for one piece instead of 1/120 for 3 pieces on a once per run NM.
PS: Also to all you people saying that its good to get rid of all those elitist, sure they mostly jerks but they're also the ones who figure out almost all the aspects of the game like strats and how gear performs.
From what I read the JP communities talked about this very openly with no such change and yet now they're changing it seemingly out of nowhere when they've most likely heard about it a while ago if they really read premier communities.
Way to go SE. Now LSs can go 1/120 for one piece instead of 1/120 for 3 pieces on a once per run NM.
PS: Also to all you people saying that its good to get rid of all those elitist, sure they mostly jerks but they're also the ones who figure out almost all the aspects of the game like strats and how gear performs.
I think your tinfoil hat is a bit too tight today.
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It's not a new design that SE makes you work your *** off to get the best gear.
If you don't like the drop rates, talk to other salvage groups, discuss it on boards, get together and complain to SE.
Don't exploit the system.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 12:32pm by TWA
Also, now all those LS's selling items makes sense if they can triplicate items. A lot of people started to question shells and their ability to sell items because there would have to be some players in the shell that are looking for pieces as well, and they would most likely have to give up that piece to a buyer. To me it seemed very fishy, but now we see that these LS's were probably triplicating items, keeping 2 for the LS, and selling 1 to a buyer.
Tummie - Garuda/Lakshmi (Retired)
Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.
Return1 argued with Mellowy and wrote:
Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.
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Posted: Nov 26 2008 at 9:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think most people are so QQy about this because of the crappy drop rates already in Salvage. At least with this we were actually able to complete sets in a timely fashion rather than 1-2 piece a month. I think most people knew that it'd be patched when it was posted on the FFXIAPP website though.
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pull out the banhammer
Sorry to change the subject for a minute but this reminded me of my old halo days. I made a clan called the banhammer and we actually had full blown modders stop playing and let us win so we wouldn't know they were modding. Was awesome ;)
On subject I think they should all be stripped of gil and any R/Ex item obtained in any of those areas.
Or just banned.
I'm rather annoyed at this but only because I didn't know about it.
While all the "I have a right to this, and you don't" people are just a bunch of dicks, you can almost guarantee that nearly everyone that has said "I hope they ban the cheaters!" would not have cried foul had someone in their ls done this and tripled the drops for their event of choice. Or they could just be hypocritical bastards.
As people have said before, it's just simple jealousy and some people are trying to mutate this to claim the moral high-ground.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 12:39pm by Miitan
While all the "I have a right to this, and you don't" people are just a bunch of dicks, you can almost guarantee that nearly everyone that has said "I hope they ban the cheaters!" would not have cried foul had someone in their ls done this and tripled the drops for their event of choice. Or they could just be hypocritical bastards.
As people have said before, it's just simple jealousy and some people are trying to mutate this to claim the moral high-ground.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 12:39pm by Miitan
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Way to go SE. Now LSs can go 1/120 for one piece instead of 1/120 for 3 pieces on a once per run NM.
PS: Also to all you people saying that its good to get rid of all those elitist, sure they mostly jerks but they're also the ones who figure out almost all the aspects of the game like strats *EDIT* and exploits, right? /*EDIT* and how gear performs.
PS: Also to all you people saying that its good to get rid of all those elitist, sure they mostly jerks but they're also the ones who figure out almost all the aspects of the game like strats *EDIT* and exploits, right? /*EDIT* and how gear performs.
Here's what I don't understand.
Every. Single. Time. SE. Fixes. Something. In. The. Game. They. Originally. Hadn't. Meant. To. Be... people complain.
AV Zerg? Honestly, did you really think SE intended it to be that easy? The combined response? "F U SE."
"Way to go SE" for fixing an exploit that is totally and utterly illegal to use, even if it changes a drop rate. People are sitting on piles of gil because of this, but they didn't work for it, at least, they didn't work for 66% of it.
I have no respect for these people and their shinies. They aren't elite. They cheated. Strats or no, I can't listen to anyone tell me how to play this game, when in reality, they don't know how either.
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 10:39am by papajay
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I'm rather annoyed at this but only because I didn't know about it.
While all the "I have a right to this, and you don't" people are just a bunch of ****** you can almost guarantee that nearly everyone that has said "I hope they ban the cheaters!" would not have cried foul has someone in their ls done this and tripled the drops for their event of choice.
As people have said before, it's just simple jealousy and some people are trying to mutate this to claim the moral high-ground.
While all the "I have a right to this, and you don't" people are just a bunch of ****** you can almost guarantee that nearly everyone that has said "I hope they ban the cheaters!" would not have cried foul has someone in their ls done this and tripled the drops for their event of choice.
As people have said before, it's just simple jealousy and some people are trying to mutate this to claim the moral high-ground.
Don't project your own self serving twisted sense of morality onto us.
Some of us would boot people this immeadiately even if they were a good friend. (I've done it when a friend of years admitted to cheating, and again when another one admitted to buying gil) Some of us hold our selves to a higher standard and expect that of others. It might make you feel good at night to think everyone acts the way you do, but you're completely wrong.
So how long until the banhammers are out? This would be easily traceable wouldn't it?
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