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As far as I know, it's always been the policy of BG to remove posted exploits. You're entitled to your opinion on their motives, but the fact remains that this policy helps to keep exploits from spreading like wildfire into the endgame community.

Allakhazam has the same policy, would you say the same about the admins here? Granted it's a different community, but Sonomaa and the other mods shouldn't be judged based on their community members. That would be like picking Godraiden and DARKDOOMSTFU from this community and saying I'm just like them.

Clearly not true!

While you can't point at one person and claim them the whole, you start entering a gray area when in a position of authority you start claiming you don't know what those beneath you are doing in your sphere of influence, as it opens up the likelihood you don't know what they're not doing, either.

Having gone over the thread in question, there's a definite sense of, "Some people didn't need to know about this for the good of a select few we believe should." And if you see a mod expressing that mindset, then yeah, red flags should be going up somewhere, as they are a representative of the establishment. Unfortunately, you can't easily decide if removal of exploits from public eye isn't sweeping them under the rug for someone else they know to conveniently find later.

I can easily see why people cheat, RMT, or keep secrets to themselves in this game. It's something SE indirectly promotes with a lot of their design choices. It sucks the temptation is even there, no matter how strong a person's individual moral compass may be. It sucks even more when we're confronted with the choice of turning a blind eye to it all or throwing friendships away due a possible moment of weakness. It was something I was implying when I said this isn't just a game, but somewhere the distinction between game and one-upsmanship got lost, too.

You have a policy of using exploits in game and hiding it from others? Is there some fancy gardening trick your hiding from us!?!

The difference being, of course, if this were knowledge of the admins here I would expect 20 seconds to be spent writing a 3 line email to SE to fix the exploit instead of covering up/taking advantage of it.

Nowhere did I say only BG used it, anybody can post on BG not just the BG shell. But if you know you FFXI history SE has banned for much much less. I don't even do salvage or sandworms, so it doesn't really effect me at all. I was pointing out that the wonderful Pikko was comparing herself to BG admins, which I hope isn't even close in comparison >.>

Edit: Added Quote so people with SD filters know wth I'm talking about...

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 8:21pm by CaptainTeg

I think what is bad about this is the sense of futility it strikes in the majority of the community.

It's not really about joe unlucky who has been farming salvage for a year and not have a single piece yet (yes I know someone who is in that position)

it's about the community at large sensing the playing field was tilted so far to the otherside they were being screwed even when they were not involved.

SE needs to back up the patch with measures to make it up to everone who didn't cheat. Whether its to ban the worst offenders, rollback drops and items and gils earned, or fix salvage drop rates and make sandoworm items more accessible. whatever the case, it can't be a 'we've fix this have a nice day' It will be a cancer that kills the community and discourage honest players from even trying because someone else could triplicate the drops.

It will only enhance how poorly treated the community is and encourage cheating which may actually go against what SE is tyring to do.
(Well those people got away with cheating, to be fair I'll cheat too!)

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 6:23pm by Dekusutaa

Actually, what's funny is the people Q_Q'ing over not being able to use their precious exploit anymore. That's true hilarity, and will be furthered if any of them get banned.

Pretending to be self-rightous. Nope. I I'm not concerned about not using it either. I participate in absolutely 0 end game events. A cheater is still a cheater.



I can appreciate that Pikko. And I don't post on BG, or really follow BG, other than when the drama leaks here. But as others mentioned. When you have those same mods participating in the drama, showing full well they supported the use of the exploit (some, not all mind you), then you can see the where things get skewed.



That's all well and good, but do you then inform SE the exploit exists? If not, you then it is still no better, and in sense, all you have accomplished is to further cover it up. Back to point above. I can appreciate not wanting them spread, so others don't take advantage of it. But if you are really committed to making it a better gaming community, and stopping the spread of exploits, you would make sure the information was put in the proper hands at SE as well as removing the information.

Also, if you're going to take a stance on a subject, please do so 100%. Don't delete certain exploit topics, and leave others.



Now, I know I tend to get a little blurry-eyed when I read for an extended time, but I don't recall anyone here mentioning that this exploit came from BG. Everyone here that I've seen mention where it came from, have all said JP first, then NA. They just rode the coattails of others, and claim rightousness about how they are the only ones who deserve to know it. Well frankly, they're right. Only they deserve to be cheaters.

The "LOL" is at all the whiny babies over there who can't handle their precious exploit being fixed.

Honestly I think taking away the gear would be a nice punishment, basically like a fine for breaking the law. The SE loses no money from memberships.

Some of us actually understand that there really is no such thing as a free lunch.

The QQing is over the whole "BAWWW I DON'T GET MAH FREE LUNCH NO MOARS", which is, of course, why it's hilarious.

Maybe if you are a SAM or NIN but if you are a MNK it's a different story.

Full Usukane + BB gives you the best combination of stats you can possibly have while hitting the haste cap. Try to build another haste set with better ATT/ACC/STR and 25% haste. You can't.

If you are a MNK full usukane + BB is the best possible TP build period.