I think FFXI has may be 3-4 years of life to it (so like 2 may be 3 year after FFXIV released). What I really hope is FFXIV is a really different game than FFXI. FFXI-2 is really what we do not want.
I think most important people not to over-react when FFXIV is coming out. We all knew it was underdevelopment for a while. What I really hoped is people step back now, and review what gets them playing to begin with. Because in may be next year or 2011, some of us have to retrace what had happened.
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Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Many of us have had that feeling for years. Though we have never been able to "Quit" do to the addiction factor of FFXI. With FFXIV, it will give the addicts who are tired of FFXI a new drug to try. Those people will GLADLY give up FFXI for good. You will most definately log into a different world once FFXIV goes live if you chose to stay. To think other wise is wishful thinking.
My only question is what part of the gaming society will stay behind with FFXI. Will the die hard hacking/botting type stay back thinking it is free reign to get every item they ever wanted OR will the type that loves the game for the story and loves to imerse themselves in this game stay back?
Whether I continue to play FFXI after FFXIV goes live depends on what part of society takes over after. I want my last days of FFXI to be ones of peaceful nastolgia. Not a bot war between two lootwhore shells that you have to join just to get anything done.
Though FFXIV looks very nice, I promised my wife many years ago that I would never get into another MMO like I did with FFXI. If I play FFXIV depends on if she releases me from that promise.
My only question is what part of the gaming society will stay behind with FFXI. Will the die hard hacking/botting type stay back thinking it is free reign to get every item they ever wanted OR will the type that loves the game for the story and loves to imerse themselves in this game stay back?
Whether I continue to play FFXI after FFXIV goes live depends on what part of society takes over after. I want my last days of FFXI to be ones of peaceful nastolgia. Not a bot war between two lootwhore shells that you have to join just to get anything done.
Though FFXIV looks very nice, I promised my wife many years ago that I would never get into another MMO like I did with FFXI. If I play FFXIV depends on if she releases me from that promise.
The cost of FFXI will not go down - it will either stay the same or go up. They arent going to staff the servers (and pay for repairs) for free.
And there is a small chance it may go up, as other industries (such as cell phone companies) have done this when a new technology (or in this case game) comes out: they dont want to support two objects, so you make your customers quit (so you dont have to pay money to support the old item) or you force them to jump to the new and hottest thing.
More than likely though, the price will remain the same.
And there is a small chance it may go up, as other industries (such as cell phone companies) have done this when a new technology (or in this case game) comes out: they dont want to support two objects, so you make your customers quit (so you dont have to pay money to support the old item) or you force them to jump to the new and hottest thing.
More than likely though, the price will remain the same.
Scholar
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One important thing to note, FFXIV is not a sequel to FFXI. Granted it's a continuation of the FF series but that doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to do with the game mechanics and/or story line of FFXI. It's very well possible that FFXIV caters to a certain player base which FFXI doesn't and as such both games could have their respective communities completely seperate and independent of one another.
With that said, the known information on FFXIV not nearly enough to make a rational judgement on if it will be a good game or not. I have no doubt that come release the servers will full up and FFXI population will take a major hit, but that is to be expected. The question and more important situation comes after the launch, how many people will trickle back to FFXI.
The community will be smaller, and many people will not be able to play with the friends they've made over the years but I have no doubt that there will be more than enough players to keep the game running for many years.
EDIT: Also remember those who spent many years playing the game and gearing their character up. Some of those people may not be as willing to leave for a new MMO where their advantage has been lost.
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:05am by EliashBLM
With that said, the known information on FFXIV not nearly enough to make a rational judgement on if it will be a good game or not. I have no doubt that come release the servers will full up and FFXI population will take a major hit, but that is to be expected. The question and more important situation comes after the launch, how many people will trickle back to FFXI.
The community will be smaller, and many people will not be able to play with the friends they've made over the years but I have no doubt that there will be more than enough players to keep the game running for many years.
EDIT: Also remember those who spent many years playing the game and gearing their character up. Some of those people may not be as willing to leave for a new MMO where their advantage has been lost.
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:05am by EliashBLM
Thayos wrote:
I was walking to the chocobo stables when I woke up.
I once dreamed altepa was in my backyard and I was trying to kill antica with lighter fluid + matches and trying to locate a giant magnifying glass (the antica were not small like real ants, so I needed a really BIG one).
I told my ls I'd be gone for like a week and got some booze and old movies, but do whatever can relax you that doesn't make you think of the game.
Also don't get drunk and watch planet of the apes followed by moses and the 10 commandments. The last thing your sanity needs is a gorilla with the voice of Charlton Heston holding a big tablet and scolding you in your sleep.
Back on topic:
I don't thing FFXI will "die" in the sense of SE taking down the servers permanently. As for anything else, its going to change and some people may call it "dead" if a lot of players migrate to another game.
It is just as possible this will go just like any other MMO launch we get a minor population decrease with a good portion coming back anyways. What I think will happen is SE will run it with as few employees as possible and leave the game "on auto pilot" so to speak. They have already set that up to an extent: updates have slowed, those avatars haven't surfaced after multiple years, most recent rewards were randomly augmented existing items (not just talking ACP, look at ANNM) and its fair to expect a lot more of that type of content (loot box in tenshodo already shows the other 2 mini expansions using it).
preludes wrote:
You think people that paid $4k for their bots are leaving that easy?
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:35am by thatdamnelf
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I think FFXI has may be 3-4 years of life to it (so like 2 may be 3 year after FFXIV released). What I really hope is FFXIV is a really different game than FFXI. FFXI-2 is really what we do not want.
I think most important people not to over-react when FFXIV is coming out. We all knew it was underdevelopment for a while. What I really hoped is people step back now, and review what gets them playing to begin with. Because in may be next year or 2011, some of us have to retrace what had happened.
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Amanada
I think most important people not to over-react when FFXIV is coming out. We all knew it was underdevelopment for a while. What I really hoped is people step back now, and review what gets them playing to begin with. Because in may be next year or 2011, some of us have to retrace what had happened.
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Amanada
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:13am by GrandScale
I hope they put more emphasis on a chocos >.>;, like wing size etc. Choco flying races would be nice.... lol
FFXI should last a little after FFXIV shows up. If FFXIV is a success, FFXI players would dwindle away. In the beginning it could be "fail", but with updates along the road it could end up being a winner.
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:25am by GrandScale
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:30am by GrandScale
FFXI should last a little after FFXIV shows up. If FFXIV is a success, FFXI players would dwindle away. In the beginning it could be "fail", but with updates along the road it could end up being a winner.
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:25am by GrandScale
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 11:30am by GrandScale
Hey all,
I fully expect this would have been rated down had a non-admin poster written this as a standard forum post. The question of "is FFXI dying" -- or, in the case of this editorial, "might FFXI die sooner than we would have assumed a few weeks ago" -- will always be a controversial or uncomfortable question for many people to consider.
These questions are obviously in the minds of many players. I actually wrote this editorial just after Square Enix's announcement of FFXIV; since then, there have been several threads in our forums based upon these very issues. I can't think of any reason why people would want FFXI to die. Yet the question looms, and truthfully none of us know exactly what will happen.
The great thing about editorials is you don't have to agree with them. The admin team here at ZAM will be bringing you many more editorials from all different viewpoints. It's not our goal to be preachy or force you to agree with us. Our goals are simply to share our thoughts, encourage discussions and provide you with something fun and/or interesting to read.
Thanks to all who have posted replies!
I fully expect this would have been rated down had a non-admin poster written this as a standard forum post. The question of "is FFXI dying" -- or, in the case of this editorial, "might FFXI die sooner than we would have assumed a few weeks ago" -- will always be a controversial or uncomfortable question for many people to consider.
These questions are obviously in the minds of many players. I actually wrote this editorial just after Square Enix's announcement of FFXIV; since then, there have been several threads in our forums based upon these very issues. I can't think of any reason why people would want FFXI to die. Yet the question looms, and truthfully none of us know exactly what will happen.
The great thing about editorials is you don't have to agree with them. The admin team here at ZAM will be bringing you many more editorials from all different viewpoints. It's not our goal to be preachy or force you to agree with us. Our goals are simply to share our thoughts, encourage discussions and provide you with something fun and/or interesting to read.
Thanks to all who have posted replies!
Thayos Redblade
Jormungandr
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Jormungandr
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I think people should just all relax. As long as you had fun, it is good. Really, a lot of problems in this game is self inflicted. FFXI is not really a game that is completely broken right now, nor history had said the game would die when the same company released another game.
Show me more happy face. No more FFXI is dying threads. I proclaim a "We are having fun, and we are cheer how cute Pikko's Bentos are!"
Show me more happy face. No more FFXI is dying threads. I proclaim a "We are having fun, and we are cheer how cute Pikko's Bentos are!"
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
kevindragotto wrote:
This is like watching the news on a slow day.
When you wrote this, did you honestly think that we needed another thread about FFXIV and how it will affect FFXI? I mean seriously, people are so retarded, someone had to create a 'How to read Roman Numerals' thread.
When you wrote this, did you honestly think that we needed another thread about FFXIV and how it will affect FFXI? I mean seriously, people are so retarded, someone had to create a 'How to read Roman Numerals' thread.
Reiterpallasch wrote:
Horst needs a 1 minute, 15 foot doom aura. Get in, get out, or @#%^ing die.
Calmus wrote:
...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
You know you are attached to something more than you care to admit when you get goosebumps reading something like this.
Many of these thoughts have been going through my mind as well as of late. I have RL friends that play both FFXI and other MMO's and there is much debate about what will happen with the release of FFXIV. I have had the same character model and name since I beta tested on PS2 so many years ago... FFXI has been a more stable part of my life than anything over the past years, and it is going to be hard to let go of that grounding force.
I guess it is a lot like having a relative with ternimal cancer... you know that it is going to happen soon... just not exactly when.
I plan to make the most of the next year... rekindle some old friendships and see how many people will be joining me on my new journey. I am feeling a little old to be starting a new MMO, but if I can make the transition with enough good friends, I feel like it will be more of an extension to FFXI than a whole new game.
Excellent read, I really am glad to know that a lot of people feel the same as me.
Many of these thoughts have been going through my mind as well as of late. I have RL friends that play both FFXI and other MMO's and there is much debate about what will happen with the release of FFXIV. I have had the same character model and name since I beta tested on PS2 so many years ago... FFXI has been a more stable part of my life than anything over the past years, and it is going to be hard to let go of that grounding force.
I guess it is a lot like having a relative with ternimal cancer... you know that it is going to happen soon... just not exactly when.
I plan to make the most of the next year... rekindle some old friendships and see how many people will be joining me on my new journey. I am feeling a little old to be starting a new MMO, but if I can make the transition with enough good friends, I feel like it will be more of an extension to FFXI than a whole new game.
Excellent read, I really am glad to know that a lot of people feel the same as me.
95THF, 95DRG, 90BRD, 94BLM, 95BLU, 90COR - Retired: Nov 2011
Someday soon my friends, this ride will come to and end, and we can't just get in line again.
Someday soon my friends, this ride will come to and end, and we can't just get in line again.
I think a note was hit about friends, this game I think for alot of people is more about the friendships they have in the game then the game itself, and if people leave, they will have no desire to play, it will feel empty.
I think for that reason, I believe that ffxi will die fairly fast after ff14 is release, when long time friends leave, they will leave and so on and so on. I think alot of people underestimate the impact of community and friends in this game.
You should try and take off your pearl for a week, and not spend time in game with your friends and see if you enjoy the game still, my bet is the majority would get bored and just not bother to log on.
I honestly don't think it will take long for SE to have to make the decision to either shut down servers all together or reduce the amount of servers by 75%.
I think for that reason, I believe that ffxi will die fairly fast after ff14 is release, when long time friends leave, they will leave and so on and so on. I think alot of people underestimate the impact of community and friends in this game.
You should try and take off your pearl for a week, and not spend time in game with your friends and see if you enjoy the game still, my bet is the majority would get bored and just not bother to log on.
I honestly don't think it will take long for SE to have to make the decision to either shut down servers all together or reduce the amount of servers by 75%.
xbobbobx wrote:
good read. but what I find funny is if this was posted by anyone but an admin it would be sub-defaulted, the suckups on this site, amazing.
Wrap your mind around this..
FFXIV is to the Nothing as FFXI is to Fantasia...
FFXIV is to the Nothing as FFXI is to Fantasia...
Jesus, I'm sick to death of these posts already. No offense to the OP, it was beautifully written, but I have to agree...do we seriously need more of these "OMFG, FFXI IS DYING!" threads? FFXI still has plenty of years of life left in it unless SE are complete dumbasses (sometimes I seriously have to wonder though....) and just shut down the game as soon as XIV comes out. That would infuriate ********* of people and cause SE to lose tons of customers.
Sure, many will jump ship at first and the chance to get "TEH NEW SHINEEZ!" in XIV, but people seriously need to realize...THIS IS SE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE! These are the same people WHO TAKE YEARS TO SOLVE even the must mundane and minute of problems and we trust them to make a flawless new game that is going to kill XI and address all the old problems from the first game THAT THEY STILL HAVEN'T EVEN COMPLETELY FIXED? Really?
Don't get me wrong, I hope XIV comes along and it's great, and I hope it makes tons of people happy just like XI has already made people happy till now and hopefully for years to come. I wish no ill will towards XIV, but I myself will not be making the transition, I'm simply at a point in my life were I just do not have the time, patience, or dedication to start all over from scratch in a new MMO.
I hope people go to XIV and have fun, I really do... but I am tired of seeing posts that act like XI's servers are being shut down in a week or so. I'm also not naive, every good thing must eventually come to an end....and when XI finally does reach that point, I'll pack up my things and get on with my RL. Besides, I've got FFT and tons of other FF titles I can play...
this.
Had to remove 2 because all my RL friends who played have all quit and are long gone. I still have all the ls friends and ingame friends I've made, and even though I have never met them in RL, I feel like I have been best buds with them all my life. It's weird I know, my wife doesn't even get it, she doesn't understand how I can consider someone whom I've never met before to be a "friend". Anyways, I'm dragging on...
So, I'll end with this...
Sure, many will jump ship at first and the chance to get "TEH NEW SHINEEZ!" in XIV, but people seriously need to realize...THIS IS SE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE! These are the same people WHO TAKE YEARS TO SOLVE even the must mundane and minute of problems and we trust them to make a flawless new game that is going to kill XI and address all the old problems from the first game THAT THEY STILL HAVEN'T EVEN COMPLETELY FIXED? Really?
Don't get me wrong, I hope XIV comes along and it's great, and I hope it makes tons of people happy just like XI has already made people happy till now and hopefully for years to come. I wish no ill will towards XIV, but I myself will not be making the transition, I'm simply at a point in my life were I just do not have the time, patience, or dedication to start all over from scratch in a new MMO.
I hope people go to XIV and have fun, I really do... but I am tired of seeing posts that act like XI's servers are being shut down in a week or so. I'm also not naive, every good thing must eventually come to an end....and when XI finally does reach that point, I'll pack up my things and get on with my RL. Besides, I've got FFT and tons of other FF titles I can play...
Quote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I won't quit FFXI until either; 1) I get bant, 2) All my friends quit or 3) They shut off the servers.
this.
Had to remove 2 because all my RL friends who played have all quit and are long gone. I still have all the ls friends and ingame friends I've made, and even though I have never met them in RL, I feel like I have been best buds with them all my life. It's weird I know, my wife doesn't even get it, she doesn't understand how I can consider someone whom I've never met before to be a "friend". Anyways, I'm dragging on...
So, I'll end with this...
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Either way, I'll say that this is getting ridiculous. Look at =10. It's littered with FFXIV posts. I would argue that the admins of the site have a higher standard to uphold in regards to forums. Posts like these fall below those standards. In fact, you should be helping to 'keep it alive' if you are all so afraid the rapture is coming.
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Tons of threads about this already...
FFXI != FFXIV.
Different games, different audiences. Will FFXIV become more popular than ffxi?, most likely. Most people enjoy a more casual game that is easier and quicker to attain goals in short periods of times. Although I have no doubt I will like this new game. However, just as I went to WoW and similar mainstream mmo's, I was always left wanting more, more of a challenge, more of a sense of accomplishment of adventures traveled, quests fulfilled, and missions concluded.
Most certainly this will not be the end of FFXI, but become the journey of at least my character still throughout the challenging world of vanadiel and also new adventures throughout FFXIV's new world.
Fin
FFXI != FFXIV.
Different games, different audiences. Will FFXIV become more popular than ffxi?, most likely. Most people enjoy a more casual game that is easier and quicker to attain goals in short periods of times. Although I have no doubt I will like this new game. However, just as I went to WoW and similar mainstream mmo's, I was always left wanting more, more of a challenge, more of a sense of accomplishment of adventures traveled, quests fulfilled, and missions concluded.
Most certainly this will not be the end of FFXI, but become the journey of at least my character still throughout the challenging world of vanadiel and also new adventures throughout FFXIV's new world.
Lineage 1, Lineage 2.
EQ1, EQ2.
FFXI, FFXIV.
There is plenty of precedent for companies running two online games concurrently. Hell, Blizzard still offers online service for Warcraft II and Starcraft after all these years.
"Is FFXI dying?" Will continue to be a thoughtless question until we're down to half a dozen servers.
EQ1, EQ2.
FFXI, FFXIV.
There is plenty of precedent for companies running two online games concurrently. Hell, Blizzard still offers online service for Warcraft II and Starcraft after all these years.
"Is FFXI dying?" Will continue to be a thoughtless question until we're down to half a dozen servers.
Sir Exodus wrote:
xbobbobx wrote:
good read. but what I find funny is if this was posted by anyone but an admin it would be sub-defaulted, the suckups on this site, amazing.
Eye roll all you want, he's probably right.
Ranzera wrote:
Sir Exodus wrote:
xbobbobx wrote:
good read. but what I find funny is if this was posted by anyone but an admin it would be sub-defaulted, the suckups on this site, amazing.
Eye roll all you want, he's probably right.
He's completely wrong since Admins can't be rated.
EDIT: The eyeroll was due to the "suckup" comment.
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 1:56pm by CarthRDM
CarthRDM wrote:
Ranzera wrote:
Sir Exodus wrote:
xbobbobx wrote:
good read. but what I find funny is if this was posted by anyone but an admin it would be sub-defaulted, the suckups on this site, amazing.
Eye roll all you want, he's probably right.
He's completely wrong since Admins can't be rated.
Reiterpallasch wrote:
Horst needs a 1 minute, 15 foot doom aura. Get in, get out, or @#%^ing die.
Calmus wrote:
...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
SirensDrizzt wrote:
Wrap your mind around this..
FFXIV is to the Nothing as FFXI is to Fantasia...
FFXIV is to the Nothing as FFXI is to Fantasia...
I'm a Luck Dragon (otherwise known as a flying, ratty dog thing with scales).
As for XIV, I will play it and hopefully SE learned from their experiences in XI. XI won't go away - not for a long time as can be shown by the fanaticism in these forums.
I also agree that if this was posted by anyone else it would be rated down. Maybe not sub-defaulted, but I doubt it would be 'Excellent'.
You make an interesting point, Thayos. But I'm not playing this game only because it's a Final Fantasy game (though, that is why I started). I'm playing it because I enjoy it, because I enjoy my character, and mostly because of the people in my linkshell. It's the social interaction that I find most rewarding.
And while some of my friends will move over to FFXIV, I know many will stay on FFXI (judging by recent linkshell chat). I am lucky in that I can afford two subscriptions, even if I can only play one at a time, but if I had to chose one or the other I would choose FFXI.
AFTER a few months playing FFXIV instead, of course. I want to at least try that puppy out!
That reminds me, I want to get a bumper sticker that reads: "In case of Rapture, this chocobo will still be occupied!"
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 1:05pm by Zerila
And while some of my friends will move over to FFXIV, I know many will stay on FFXI (judging by recent linkshell chat). I am lucky in that I can afford two subscriptions, even if I can only play one at a time, but if I had to chose one or the other I would choose FFXI.
AFTER a few months playing FFXIV instead, of course. I want to at least try that puppy out!
That reminds me, I want to get a bumper sticker that reads: "In case of Rapture, this chocobo will still be occupied!"
Edited, Jun 12th 2009 1:05pm by Zerila
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I'm not defending xbobbobx here but, he said if it was posted by anyone other than an admin that it would get rated down. And I disagree with that
i had no idea an admin cant be rated down, i cant rate up or down anyone, so I expected admins to want to get feedback through their own rating system.
Should it survive though? I wonder if a lot of us aren't playing so much because the game is fun, but the game is habit. Like work-you show up every day, see the same crowd, get some tasks done, and get paid hopefully with a piece of shiny gear.
I mean, people are fiercely loyal to FFXI, but why are you such?
I mean, people are fiercely loyal to FFXI, but why are you such?
This game like any other MMoRPG will go on as long as there are paying customers.
Even a game as crappy as EQoA for the PS2 still has a player base despite raised raised monthly fees and less players.
I'm still wondering why Alla continues to have an EQoA board lol.
Even a game as crappy as EQoA for the PS2 still has a player base despite raised raised monthly fees and less players.
I'm still wondering why Alla continues to have an EQoA board lol.
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