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#52 Jun 12 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still wondering why Alla continues to have an EQoA board lol.


I suspect Nizdaar keeps it around just to **** me off. Anytime I ask for a link, he gives it to me, except with the EQOA skin, which I'm deathly allergic to.

I realize some people are not liking that an admin posted this, but part of our job is to look at what you guys are feverishly talking about and give a more in-depth look into it. In the end, we're still players of this game with our own opinions and Thayos just so happens to fall on the side that wonders about the end.
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#53 Jun 12 2009 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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The thing that really irks about the whole thing is that if it didn't have "FF" or mithras and galkas, people would still care as little as they did last month. But now people are wetting themselves and giving up on at least another YEAR of playing something else... because suddenly it's not worth the "work".
#54 Jun 12 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Default
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Man, I just shot the link to this over to my girlfriend. She knows nothing about FFXI, which should make the overdramatic responses to the post even more hilarious.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 3:12pm by Callipho
#55 Jun 12 2009 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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I just hope when the day comes that SE decides it's no longer viable to keep the servers up, they have prepped a private host version for those of us not ready to quit.

A private version capable of hosting 17 other players and you, doesn't seem that hard to put together, **** they could even limit it to a lower amount of plyers and allow the host to adjust the environment and mobs to match.
#56 Jun 12 2009 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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I realize some people are not liking that an admin posted this, but part of our job is to look at what you guys are feverishly talking about and give a more in-depth look into it. In the end, we're still players of this game with our own opinions and Thayos just so happens to fall on the side that wonders about the end.


I completely respect this, however I still feel that as admin's who watch the topics carefully, you should have thought twice before posting another thread about FFXIV. I don't know that you could consider Thayos' post an in-depth look into the current buzz about FFXIV and what it will do the FFXI. I do understand that even admins need to and have the right to voice their opinions, I just do not appreciate the continuance of a topic that largely has no factual base.

If everyone was well read and everyone was well rehearsed at reading comprehension, there wouldn't be a problem. Maybe also if some weren't 8 years old. For the more mature player base though, who may take a site like this more seriously, it can be disheartening to see a large part of the playerbase acting/speaking like the world is ending. To have it enforced in part by an admin just makes it worse in my opinion.

#57 Jun 12 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Default


I wouldnt doubt that a lot of the people that get so mad at the ffxi dying threads is because this game is all they got, they come home from work or school and play till bed and repeat, they have no friends, no real family, no real life at all, and the thought of the only thing that passes time for them possibly being taken again is mostly likely a real life horror to them.

So their only course of action is to try to get that thought removed, hidden or just get their backs against the wall and fight back in full fledged denial mode.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 3:41pm by xbobbobx
#58 Jun 12 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I personally don't agree with the notion that FFXI will die, but I still find the debates interesting, and agree that this will probably hit the game hard. To say that the two issues don't meet somewhere isn't really looking at the entire picture.

Thayos wanted to write this piece almost immediately and since many people were having the same reaction, I didn't see any reason why he shouldn't write it. He actually completed this over the weekend, but we held it up thinking it was too depressing too fast. It ended up becoming an even hotter topic than we thought.
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#59 Jun 12 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I realize some people are not liking that an admin posted this, but part of our job is to look at what you guys are feverishly talking about and give a more in-depth look into it. In the end, we're still players of this game with our own opinions and Thayos just so happens to fall on the side that wonders about the end.


I think Thayos has done a pretty good job articulating what the Alla community is feeling.

Also, the graphic for the story is comedy gold. Poor Thayos was "Left Behind"... I laugh every time I see it. :D


Edited, Jun 12th 2009 3:48pm by kyansaroo
#60 Jun 12 2009 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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It is obvious Thayos have no bad intent writing this. It is all for good intent. Anyway, when I was to give my first conference presentation, my classmate and adviser refused to talk about the presentation itself on the day on the presentation. They were more interested in what Chinese food and soda I like the most. After the presentation, they all clapped hands even I thought I sucked.

I would rather talk about what is going to happen next version up or even FFXIV content itself.
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#61 Jun 12 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, the graphic for the story is comedy gold. Poor Thayos was "Left Behind"... I laugh every time I see it. :D


I came up with the idea, but Vlorsutes was the one that made it and I think he did a great job!
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#62 Jun 12 2009 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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good read. but what I find funny is if this was posted by anyone but an admin it would be sub-defaulted, the suckups on this site, amazing.


So true, so true...
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Pikko wrote:
kyansaroo wrote:
Also, the graphic for the story is comedy gold. Poor Thayos was "Left Behind"... I laugh every time I see it. :D


I came up with the idea, but Vlorsutes was the one that made it and I think he did a great job!


Smiley: laugh I never saw that until you just mentioned it. If XIV is Heaven, I think that does confirm that Valkurm is hell.
#64 Jun 12 2009 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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And the Marble Bridge is Purgatory, with horrible service. And lo, one day JesusShanttotto will descend from the sky, and slay all the vile HNMs with but a word.

She had to hack a GM account to do it, but when has that ever stopped her?

Anyways, I've said it before, but I'll say it again: FFXI won't be shut down anytime soon, but chances are it'll get stale, fast.

Think a minute. We've suddenly gone from 4 updates a year to 3(I think someone said we had about 6 a year once, too), and there seems to be no plans whatsoever to make a normal expansion again. The add-ons seem to have less content than even the original game missions, too.

People say that other MMOs thrive next to their spin-off kin, but nearly none of them are based on a console. Yes, the dreaded PS2 limitations. We already know that half of Japan's playerbase still uses the PS2, so any expansion made has to be done with PS2s in mind.

As of now, it's still a miracle stores sell PS2 games, but the HDD flopping outside of Japan leaves a big problem, and that's the production and sale of the PS2 disks that are used for expansions. Wings or The Goddess was hard enough to find, and I can only predict if another expansion came out, it'd either be worse or be entirely pre-orders ages before it gets released.

So SE basically has all but said they'd nix normal expansions in favor of these really small updates that continue to get further and further apart.

And it's all because they wanted to start all over with a new MMO instead of porting the whole thing to the PS3 or doing both.

I can't blame them for starting anew, but it's depressing regarding FFXI.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 5:29pm by Donomni
#65 Jun 12 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I won't quit FFXI until either; 1) I get bant, 2) All my friends quit or 3) They sh*t off the servers.


I'll follow my friends if they move the Eorza, it's not the game I like. It's the people I play with that keep me paying my fees.


I'm so sick of hearing this. I know this is an instant rate-down, but if you are so hard-up to play a game you don't care for just because of your online friends, you need better social skills. Get their emails, or chat with them online. Play games because you enjoy playing games.
#66 Jun 12 2009 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Thayos your post really hit home with how I've been feeling about it all, Smiley: cookie for you!
#67 Jun 12 2009 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Donomni wrote:
And the Marble Bridge is Purgatory, with horrible service. And lo, one day JesusShanttotto will descend from the sky, and slay all the vile HNMs with but a word.

She had to hack a GM account to do it, but when has that ever stopped her?

Anyways, I've said it before, but I'll say it again: FFXI won't be shut down anytime soon, but chances are it'll get stale, fast.

Think a minute. We've suddenly gone from 4 updates a year to 3(I think someone said we had about 6 a year once, too), and there seems to be no plans whatsoever to make a normal expansion again. The add-ons seem to have less content than even the original game missions, too.

People say that other MMOs thrive next to their spin-off kin, but nearly none of them are based on a console. Yes, the dreaded PS2 limitations. We already know that half of Japan's playerbase still uses the PS2, so any expansion made has to be done with PS2s in mind.

As of now, it's still a miracle stores sell PS2 games, but the HDD flopping outside of Japan leaves a big problem, and that's the production and sale of the PS2 disks that are used for expansions. Wings or The Goddess was hard enough to find, and I can only predict if another expansion came out, it'd either be worse or be entirely pre-orders ages before it gets released.

So SE basically has all but said they'd nix normal expansions in favor of these really small updates that continue to get further and further apart.

And it's all because they wanted to start all over with a new MMO instead of porting the whole thing to the PS3 or doing both.

I can't blame them for starting anew, but it's depressing regarding FFXI.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 5:29pm by Donomni


SE could create a version 2.0 client for PC and 360 if they wanted to. Releasing an upgraded client while maintaining compatibility with the old client has been done in many other MMOs (EVE, EQ, UO).

It would not be any harder than the half dozen enhanced remakes SE sh*ts out every year. When SE says PS2 limitations they are lying.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 7:40pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#68 Jun 12 2009 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, it's an intriguing question. For someone like me who never made enough friends to keep consciously playing the game after my first months, I'm really looking forward to XIV and hoping more people I know will be hooked this time around, and that's about it.

I'd like to hope that the game will just be so good, new and yet familiar, that it will painlessly begin a large-scale migration. But still, I'm hoping that people who want to stick with FFXI can still enjoy themselves.
#69 Jun 13 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
I was initially worried about the thought of XIV totally killing off XI but after thinking about it a bit more, I don't think it'll happen. At first anyway.

Anyone who's played a new MMO at launch knows that they face one major glaring problem - lack of content. Not their fault, of course, since they can't release everything at first otherwise there'll be nothing to release in the future. Now considering that most of the players will be coming over from XI, I think this will hurt XIV more than it would a new, nameless MMO.

If there's one thing about FFXI, is that it's chock-full of hardcore gamers. We're absolutely insane. People level the new jobs to 75 in a week, we beat ACP in like 6 hours, we grind our asses off to get a stupid blue old man's hat. Granted, we all don't do this but most of us are pretty serious.

We want endgame, we want the cool uber armor that comes with it, we don't want to start off with a level cap again (I'm sure the system will be different but you know what I mean). Bottom line: We want content and a new MMO will most likely not be able to give us that content right off the bat.

For instance, I played LOTRO for a bit when it was released and it was a fantastic game but at the same time was really disappointing since only a small part of Middle Earth was released at the time. No Gondor, Rohan, Lothlorien, Moria, Mordor, Isengard etc etc. We of course won't know which parts of the world are yet to be released but we do know that there will be a lot missing.

I'm sure it'll be exciting to explore a whole new world but just how much will there be to explore and how much satisfaction will we get from it? I dunno but I'm secretly hoping to be pleasantly surprised. Smiley: smile
#70 Jun 13 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing that angers me is that for the past 4 years SE has assured us that their next MMO would not be FF based and would be different than FFXI. They assured us it would not be a replacement for FFXI.

Now we find out that SE has been lying in our faces all this time.

And if you read between the lines of SE's interviews you can see that they do in fact expect it to replace FFXI. Statements similar to "we expect most players to move to the new game" etc.

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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#71 Jun 13 2009 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
"Will the day come when you get more /tells from BroGames than you get from your friends?"


I think it will when FF14 is released. Sadly.
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The thing that angers me is that for the past 4 years SE has assured us that their next MMO would not be FF based and would be different than FFXI. They assured us it would not be a replacement for FFXI.

Now we find out that SE has been lying in our faces all this time.

Better to find out sooner than later that they're not always truthful.

They told us that ToAU relic would not drop in Dynamis; a definitive answer - low and behold, they put it there, because they were lazy. And now I'm stuck doing an ancient event with massive lag for endless hours, probably until FFXIV, because I'm not one to bolt as soon as I get my stuff.

Though iirc, I don't think they confirmed that 'Rapture' would not be FF based, they just wouldn't confirm it would be.

Lobi wrote:
And if you read between the lines of SE's interviews you can see that they do in fact expect it to replace FFXI. Statements similar to "we expect most players to move to the new game" etc.

I think they're just being honest there.. Believe me, they want XI to go strong for a while, if nothing else for the subscription fees. They're just unsure, as everyone is, exactly how FFXI will be affected when XIV starts.

Edited, Jun 13th 2009 7:20pm by Carrilei
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#73 Jun 13 2009 at 9:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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They told us that ToAU relic would not drop in Dynamis; a definitive answer - low and behold, they put it there, because they were lazy. And now I'm stuck doing an ancient event with massive lag for endless hours, probably until FFXIV, because I'm not one to bolt as soon as I get my stuff.


At first, they intended to put ToAU relic in somewhere else. The problem (which they later realized) was that if they had "Regular Dynamis" which dropped AF for 15 jobs and "ToAU Dynamis" which dropped AF for 3 jobs, what incentive would members of larger groups that don't have those jobs leveled have to "waste" a Dynamis run on a ToAU Dynamis area for their 2-3 members who can use that relic?

Given the choice between that or going back on their word and putting ToAU (and later WotG) relic in regular Dynamis, which option was more feasible and better for everyone?

Storywise, it makes NO SENSE that those relics drop in Dynamis. There are no Hydra Blue Mages or Hydra Puppetmasters. There were no Yagudo Scholars or Orcish Dancers (/shudder) during the Crystal war. There are still 15 NMs in Xarcabard that you kill to pop Dynamis Lord, and none of the relic weapons are usable by any ToAU or WotG jobs. It makes no sense, story-wise, for there to suddenly appear, as if from nowhere, relic for five other jobs that was never there before.

But mechanics-wise, between that or introducing 5+ more areas of Dynamis (on top of the 10 there already are) for -just- those five jobs... I think they made the right decision by changing their minds.
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At first, they intended to put ToAU relic in somewhere else. The problem (which they later realized) was that if they had "Regular Dynamis" which dropped AF for 15 jobs and "ToAU Dynamis" which dropped AF for 3 jobs, what incentive would members of larger groups that don't have those jobs leveled have to "waste" a Dynamis run on a ToAU Dynamis area for their 2-3 members who can use that relic?

This was something -everyone- saw from miles away, and they should've realized the issue as soon as they went about implimenting new jobs that didn't have Dynamis ties in terms of relic armor. It just shows a shocking lack of foresight on their part. Either that or they just didn't care to consider such things, it's a negative either way.

Though, they didn't need to create any 'ToAU Dynamis,' they had quite a few options for relic armor.. Einherjar probably being the best pick, but Salvage and Nyzul were also valid choices. For WotG jobs, it could be Walk of Echoes, etc.

They just took the lazy way out, plain and simple. One of the few things you need to consider when adding a new job is their relic, and they botched it by not giving a sh*t.

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 1:24am by Carrilei
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#75 Jun 13 2009 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
Hi, Thayos.

As much as I liked your editorial, I do think that the title was unnecessarily controversial.

I'm pretty sure FFXI will survive, even with half the servers, for some time. As in, several years. So much of the history of MMO sequels suggests this.

But your editorial was really about whether you (or us) would stick around, and for how long. That's not an "FFXI is dying" question, it's more "when FFXI diminishes - and it will - what will you do?" Diminishing (in population, in scale, in intensity) isn't the same as dying.

Our LS at one time had a kind "FFXI forever" tone to it, a couple of years ago. But it's almost empty now except for our weekly assaults. I kept my peace when those kinds of remarks were made: I knew better. We now have this sense that we'll see a lot of people who moved on if/when we reconstitute it in FFXIV. But we are likely to go back to Vana'diel a couple times of month, at least, for our static, to finish up occasional quests, etc.

Nicely enough, when we come back to play a bit, it won't be about the gear: one of the things that I actually appreciate about the coming rapture is that it has taken the wind out of the sails of acquisitiveness for the sake of acquisition. Again, this was something I've long believed: don't treat the stuff you get in a game as valuable, because it isn't: it's ephemeral, it will be worth nothing in a fairly short time. What you get to keep are experiences and memories.
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I'm wondering how many countless players will be whored out by their linkshells until they finish their relic weapon for whoever, only to quit a month or two later. If SE wants to keep XI going they need to do 3 things:

1 - Announce a new full expansion
2 - Reduce the cost monthly
3 - Send everyone a mythic weapon in the mail since it's the most ******** quest of all time and every time I think about it, I just get pissed off.

I hope crafting and the economy die a fiery death, and I hope that XIV has nothing resembling it in any way. If there is one thing that ruins the entire experience for me on XI, it's gil.
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