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#102 Jul 07 2009 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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So much for SE's "Community interaction".

I would really like to see someone chime in here with a "Please email me all of your POL ID's so I can look further into this issue.", but I really doubt that will happen.

Instead everyone is forced to go through the "Wait and see" process of customer service. The "Guilty until proven innocent" mechanism for banning does not seem to be working well as legitimate players that put the time and money into maintaining their gardening franchise are falling through the cracks.

What a shame.
#103 Jul 07 2009 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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So much for SE's "Community interaction".


The only thing that I liked about WoW was the community managers. At least you got direct interaction with the company and you knew they were reading your threads because they would respond to you.

SE's responses feel like they have been vetted and approved by no less than 6 executive level managers. Short paragraphs that say nothing other than "we acknowledge this as a problem" like they did with the elemental nerf. Even if they do respond, I wouldn't expect any real interaction anyway, so don't hold your breath.
#104REDACTED, Posted: Jul 07 2009 at 11:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You dont need hacking programs. just clever use of in game mechanics. ie slow fall, rocket boots, blink, etc. and I used dancing troll village as an example, there are other ways to get places you just have to be creative.
#105 Jul 07 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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isuckatffxi wrote:
RMT are using an exploit with open mog by where they can harvest the same plants over and over without emptying the pots


I have heard of this exploit, and to my knowledge, it was fixed.

Even a certain someone referred to using this exploit in the past, before he was banned for Salvage duping.

Edited, Jul 7th 2009 2:55pm by chewzer
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Fynlar wrote:
Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#106 Jul 07 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I will be posting this in the other Threads on the subject before i send it and wait at least sometime before i sumbit it to the BBB, Other people i may sign for in my complaint would be greatly appreciated

My Complaint:Many Loyal Customer's Final Fantasy XI account was banned due to "irregular RMT activity" that never occured

My Problem:Dear Square Enix,
Our Accounts on your game was banned because we were labeled as a Real Money Traders of some sort. I will testify that I as a loyal customer have never been part of said activity in your game. Many other fellow gamers have also been hit with this latest mass ban on July 3rd. From what the community can surmise is that it was multiple characters on their account that would send goods to their primary character so they could make IN-game gil(currency) for IN-game uses. Most of these individuals have contacted your costumer service and have been stone-walled because the issue has to deal with the STF which we can not contact to try to get this issue resolved.It seems to me that the higher number of bans they are pushing each month may be due to their search criterea increasing which leads to loyal non-RMTs being confused with RMTs. This will most likely lead to a loss in sales of both Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XI accounts if not resolved. Also you have no represenatives in the community that can assist us in getting this issue across so we are left to find our own means such as this letter.

Thank You for you time,
Stephen E. Peck

My Solution:I would like Square Enix to address the community of loyal gamers of this issue on their website, or at least e-mail those who have been banned for the before stated reason. Also prehaps a more human approach to the STF and their practices in finding Real Money Traders. Communication with the community of consumers needs to be opened.

Any suggestions to these would be appreciated since I am a Math Major(terrible at writing)
#107 Jul 07 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Default
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Good luck acheerleader. Hopefully they will listen.
#108REDACTED, Posted: Jul 07 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I got that info from a guy in game who claimed he worked for a 3rd party security firm SE hired to find security holes in FFXI. He stated that they notified SE about the open-mog gardening exploit a few months ago but they haven't done anything to fix it. That is all I know~
#109 Jul 07 2009 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Hello. I am writing out of my concern for your latest round of banning legitimate players for suspected RMT activity.

I have been reading on allakhazam.com many stories of long time, experienced players who have been banned for gardening on multiple characters.

This is unacceptable. I understand your attempts to stem RMT activity, but you cannot resort to using lackluster means of finding RMT, which result in mass bannings that end up including legitimate, long time players.

I myself have multiple gardening mules, and have been playing FFXI for 4 years. Now every time I log in, I fear the message that I have been banned, even though I have NEVER participated in RMT activity.

What, exactly, is the point of protecting legit players from RMT, when you end up banning the honest ones in the process?

I trust that you will immediately take action to adjust your tactics, and investigate further when planning to ban accounts. I also trust that you will work with the legitimate players who have already been banned to help them restore their accounts as soon as possible.

After all, without legitimate players' monthly fees (not to mention the extra money they pay for their gardening characters), where would you be right now?
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Fynlar wrote:
Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#110 Jul 07 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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isuckatffxi wrote:

I got that info from a guy in game who claimed he worked for a 3rd party security firm SE hired to find security holes in FFXI. He stated that they notified SE about the open-mog gardening exploit a few months ago but they haven't done anything to fix it. That is all I know~


Interesting. Doubtful, but interesting. XD

I have gardening mules on multiple accounts, but I don't dare to test it.
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Fynlar wrote:
Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#111 Jul 07 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Default
IIRC it was something to do with the network code, like there's no way to do it without a 3rd party program to mess with the packets being sent/received to/from the server.
#112 Jul 07 2009 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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isuckatffxi wrote:
IIRC it was something to do with the network code, like there's no way to do it without a 3rd party program to mess with the packets being sent/received to/from the server.


If that was the case, one would think irregular packets could be detected. Instead of banning legit, honest players who choose to garden as a source of gil.

Just goes to show that the STFU obviously needs to research the accounts more before just spamming bans which catch good, long-time players.
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Fynlar wrote:
Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#113 Jul 07 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
chewzer wrote:

If that was the case, one would think irregular packets could be detected. Instead of banning legit, honest players who choose to garden as a source of gil.


<paranoia>
maybe RMT are getting into these people's mog houses and duping the harvest results from there! then they ban the non-rmt players and the rmt's keep the money!
</paranoia>

I hope by the end of the week SE issues a statement on this. At least the STF
#114 Jul 07 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
Anything short of an unban by tomorrow morning, a sincere apology with the promise this will never happen again, and the month of July free results in me cancelling my subscription. If I can't have the opportunity to keep ahead in points to try for Justice Torque Saturday, then they can't have my money, plain and simple.
#115 Jul 07 2009 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
Professor Lemmi wrote:
Anything short of an unban by tomorrow morning, a sincere apology with the promise this will never happen again, and the month of July free results in me cancelling my subscription. If I can't have the opportunity to keep ahead in points to try for Justice Torque Saturday, then they can't have my money, plain and simple.


LOL I'm sorry but with that expectations you are as sure as gone.

#116 Jul 07 2009 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
And I'm not all that upset by it, continuing to pay for a poor service only serves as fuel for continued poor service.
#117 Jul 07 2009 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
I found out this morning that I was banned as well. I have 2 accounts, (75's on both accounts) and one of them was permanently banned due to gardening. I play on either PS2/Xbox and of course don't use 3rd party software. I counted this morning how much I've spent in monthly fees alone since I began playing FF11. It was $2,013. For the past year I've spent $55 a month.

My response to SE is two fold. Since I was told today by their C/S rep that she "has never seen a permanent ban be reversed", I am trying to get the word out to as many gaming press outlets that will cover this story. As stated before, bad press may be enough for us to be heard.

Secondly, I'm voting with my wallet. My "main account" is not currently banned. I suppose I could continue playing, but I'd always worry about the same thing happening, after all I garden on that one just as much. However, I cancelled all content id's and will not come back to ff11 (or ff14) unless this is resolved. There's no way I'm going to risk giving SE more money, and more time on this game only to have them blindly ban my account for simply using legitimate game mechanics.

On a humorous note, I suppose I'll take the $50+ a month I was giving SE and start up a Match.com account to get a girlfriend. Although history shows I get banned from girlfriends pretty quickly too! lol

Best of luck to those involved in this banning - I was so looking forward to FF14 and more time with my friends in 11 but it's not looking like I'll be coming back to any RMT-related... oops I mean Square-Enix related games.
#118 Jul 07 2009 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
well I would look at it as a vacation from FFXI. I'm sure that if you didn't do anything wrong your characters will be returned to you.

If worst comes to happen and they are permanently banned then you could see it as a oportunity to check out other MMORPGs or just break away from all of them.

I'm not defending SE because if they did this to me I wouldn't be angry but sad. Sad to think I'm leaving vanadiel for good.

I really hope this gets resolved for all of you.
#119 Jul 07 2009 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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chewzer wrote:
isuckatffxi wrote:
RMT are using an exploit with open mog by where they can harvest the same plants over and over without emptying the pots


I have heard of this exploit, and to my knowledge, it was fixed.

Even a certain someone referred to using this exploit in the past, before he was banned for Salvage duping.


He's was talking about the exploit where you would leave only 1 space in your mog safe while harvesting. That way if you got anything that was more than 1 stack of items it would say "cannot harvest" and you could try again. Ice ores are only 1 item while "junk" items are usually multiple stacks.

And SE never banned anyone for that, they just changed it so if you get multiple stacks but have only 1 space any stacks after the first get flushed.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#120 Jul 07 2009 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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ashikenshin wrote:
chewzer wrote:

If that was the case, one would think irregular packets could be detected. Instead of banning legit, honest players who choose to garden as a source of gil.


<paranoia>
maybe RMT are getting into these people's mog houses and duping the harvest results from there! then they ban the non-rmt players and the rmt's keep the money!
</paranoia>

I hope by the end of the week SE issues a statement on this. At least the STF


Haven't people been complaining about RMT appearing in their MH?
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#121REDACTED, Posted: Jul 07 2009 at 2:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i'm not even going to read through 3 pages of this stuff, just popping in to say that SE has done something about all of the RMT gardeners that people have seen running around, and mentioned on this site that they want something done about it. unfortunately, it has also encompassed some "legit" players too. i use quotes because, lets face it, paying an extra $15+ a month just to garden and NPC results on your multiple gardening mules is RMT, you're just paying SE instead of IGE.
#122 Jul 07 2009 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
DsComputer wrote:
ilets face it, paying an extra $15+ a month just to garden and NPC results on your multiple gardening mules is RMT, you're just paying SE instead of IGE.
Cool, by that logic the Special Task Force will be looking to shut down SE too.
#123 Jul 07 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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Questionable bans the day after people would have bought the new expansion; you stay classy SE.
#124 Jul 07 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Default
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It's always hard to know whether or not people are telling the whole story when it comes to getting banned. I'm not saying there's anything extra going on because obviously I have no idea.

IF indeed S-E is banning people who are not actually exploiting, just gardening on mules and selling to NPCs, then they are dead wrong. Can you imagine how many more subs FFXI might have if they didn't completely ***** up their customer service at every opportunity?
#125 Jul 07 2009 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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ashikenshin wrote:
well I would look at it as a vacation from FFXI. I'm sure that if you didn't do anything wrong your characters will be returned to you.


You don't keep up with these random bannings a lot, do you?
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Fynlar wrote:
Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#126 Jul 07 2009 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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DsComputer wrote:
lets face it, paying an extra $15+ a month just to garden and NPC results on your multiple gardening mules is RMT, you're just paying SE instead of IGE.


So your single-character account is RMT. You pay SE 13x as much to use that character as I do my gardening mule. You're 13x the RMT my gardening mule is.

Awesome logic.
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Fynlar wrote:
Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
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