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Regarding the Gardening Changes (Aug. 3 Update)Follow

#1 Aug 03 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aug. 3, 2009 12:00 [PDT] From: FINAL FANTASY XI
Regarding the Gardening Changes

Beginning earlier this year, an investigation was conducted, looking into suspicious activities related to gil transfers. According to the investigation, a group of players involved in RMT (Real Money Trading) activities have been using a massive amount of accounts in order to perform gardening.

We have been taking the appropriate actions against the accounts found to be engaged in these activities. During this time, we began preparing measures to stop these groups of players from taking further advantage of gardening for RMT purposes.

As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players. For any characters that were created less than 90 days previous, the amount of items that can be gathered from each gardening attempt will be limited to 1. These measures will go into effect with the version update on Aug. 3, 2009 at 12:00 (PDT).

Illegal acts such as RMT will not be tolerated in FINAL FANTASY XI, and any violations of the user agreement will be dealt with severely. We would like to assure our players that all efforts are being made to ensure a fair playing experience.

Thank you for your continued cooperation and understanding.


http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news16666.shtml

Well, new mules can still get elemental ores, at least. :D (Or do they mean one result per character? I would assume per pot.)
We all knew it was coming. I'm just glad they didn't nerf prices or anything.

Edit: Oh, found this too.

SE wrote:
A version update of FINAL FANTASY XI was performed at the following time.

[Date & Time]
Aug. 3, 2009 at 12:00 (PDT)

[Affected Services]
FINAL FANTASY XI

[Important Update Details]
The following issues have been addressed:

- During the quest "Succor to the Sidhe," rewards sometimes could not be obtained when attempting the quest as part of an alliance.

- During the quest "Succor to the Sidhe," players could obtain rewards with augments that did not match the augments that were originally confirmed.

- Within mazes created using the "Actualization Team" Maze Voucher, NPC "Chaperix" and monsters would not battle if a pet was summoned (Beastmaster's summoned pets, Dragoon's wyverns, Summoner's avatars and Automatons).

The following change has been made to gardening:

- The amount of items that can be gathered from each gardening attempt are limited to 1 for any characters that were created less than 90 days previous.

* Please refer to "Related information" for more details regarding the gardening change.


http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news16664.shtml

Edited, Aug 3rd 2009 3:28pm by BeastmenLord
#2 Aug 03 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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minimal eh?
#3 Aug 03 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.


And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
#4 Aug 03 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Despite everything else, that is actually a really good way to deal with the RMT, and leaving normal players unharmed. 90 days feels a little harsh(kinda long) but it's better then the alternative.

Which would have been dropping wildgrass product prices to like 3gil a carrot.
#5 Aug 03 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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incoming emergency maint when they realize that since they made it so you can only get one item you are guaranteed an ore similar to the old days
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Arxeiros wrote:
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No ****? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?
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#7 Aug 03 2009 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Arxeiros wrote:
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No sh*t? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?


... Well, anywhere in North America, at least. I'm thinking Grand Canyon.
#8 Aug 03 2009 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.


This.
#9 Aug 03 2009 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Retarded sarcasm aside, something along the lines of, "Our previous measures to combat this problem resulted in the banning of numerous legitimate players, and for that we apologize."

No need to be stupid, nor expect that other people are. But please, continue to be an *** on a forum for a game you no longer play.
#10 Aug 03 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for your continued cooperation and understanding.


They will get neither from me.
#11 Aug 03 2009 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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incoming emergency maint when they realize that since they made it so you can only get one item you are guaranteed an ore similar to the old days


Don't see where you got that idea from.

It's not like they changed things so the only yield you get is items which naturally come in quantities of 1. They've changed it so next time the rmt harvest on a new character the most they'll see is a single carrot or whatever from each pot.
#12 Aug 03 2009 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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So, is there a 'gil threshold' that you have to cross to arouse "suspicious activity?" Or just a certain amount of characters on an account transferring gil in a restricted timeframe? Or both?
#13 Aug 03 2009 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Honorable BeastmenLord wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Arxeiros wrote:
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No sh*t? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?


... Well, anywhere in North America, at least. I'm thinking Grand Canyon.


Yeah, I hear Flagstaff is nice and temperate this time of year. Do you really want SE to send you to hell?
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And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
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#15 Aug 03 2009 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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TheBarrister wrote:
The Honorable BeastmenLord wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Arxeiros wrote:
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No sh*t? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?


... Well, anywhere in North America, at least. I'm thinking Grand Canyon.


Yeah, I hear Flagstaff is nice and temperate this time of year. Do you really want SE to send you to hell?


They do, twice a week. It's called Dynamis. Smiley: banghead
#16 Aug 03 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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So say I wanted to actually get into the gardening mule business..


I have to spend 3 dollars and 90 days per mule before I can even start to utilize them?

Why not link it to accounts? I've got a 4 year old character but i cant create new gardening mules?
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#17 Aug 03 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Aug. 3, 2009 12:00 [PDT] From: FINAL FANTASY XI
Regarding the Gardening Changes

Beginning earlier this year, an investigation was conducted, looking into suspicious activities related to gil transfers. According to the investigation, a group of players involved in RMT (Real Money Trading) activities have been using a massive amount of accounts in order to perform gardening.


Still doesn't address the other players who did not garden nor does SUSPICION = EVIDENCE. Anything can be suspicious, friend passes some gil to another, both speak spanish/chinese/korean/etc, sounds suspicious? Maybe. But RMT? Quite a stretch of an imagination.

SE wrote:
We have been taking the appropriate actions against the accounts found to be engaged in these activities. During this time, we began preparing measures to stop these groups of players from taking further advantage of gardening for RMT purposes.


So from massive accounts doing gardening = suspicious, therefore suspicion = RMT?

Lowering our standards of evidence are we? Because back in 2006,
Squre-Enix wrote:
The task force intends to conduct investigations into gil sellers. These investigations seek to eliminate the channels for RMT transactions, as well as sources of gil, and curtail the activities of those who farm gil for the purposes of RMT.

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To avoid falsely accusing account holders, all investigations will be conducted with equal thoroughness and care. RMT investigations in particular often include organizations formed through multiple accounts, and time must be spent confirming each case.


1st of all, implementing an auto-ban bot does not scream "WE CARE ABOUT YOU", it is saying "person dresses, walks and talks a certain way = criminal" is not justice it is a gross miscarriage of it.

2ndly, Not having an appeals process is further evidence of this disregard for players and their innocence.

I would like to appeal to SE to return to the rigorous standards of evidence, or is that too much work?


Edited, Aug 3rd 2009 8:03pm by Ryuukage

Edited, Aug 4th 2009 6:04am by Ryuukage
#18 Aug 03 2009 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Arxeiros wrote:
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No sh*t? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?
Well, yea, because expecting an apology would be too much to ask, since they have never done that before. Oh wait...

Also, did they resend all the bans of legitimate players yet? Anyone who lost a mule care to answer that?
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#19 Aug 03 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Pawkeshup the Ludicrous wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Arxeiros wrote:
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As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No sh*t? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?
Well, yea, because expecting an apology would be too much to ask, since they have never done that before. Oh wait...

Also, did they resend all the bans of legitimate players yet? Anyone who lost a mule care to answer that?


This is what I am wondering too. No offense to japanese player but for being known to be atleast humble SE is not this. I expect to see a apology but not anytime soon.
#20 Aug 03 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
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Pawkeshup the Ludicrous wrote:
That wasn't an apology for the issue*. I liked the "lack of communication" part the best. And truth be told, I expect to see their fifteenth post to be this exact same thing, with "elemental resistance" replaced with "gardening," or something similar.

* And lets be honest, that's even assuming it was a real Square representative.
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#21 Aug 03 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Pawkeshup the Ludicrous wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Arxeiros wrote:
Quote:
As a result, we came up with a measure that will be effective against players engaged in these illegal acts, while at the same time will have minimal impact on legitimate players.
And not even a word by way of apology to all the legitimate players who got banned from their **** poor way of handling this beforehand. You stay classy, SE.
Duh? No sh*t? Obviously? What, are you surprised? What did you think was going to happen? A hand delivered envelope with real gold fibers with a five page letter of apology and free tickets to a five day all expense paid vacation to anywhere in the world?
Well, yea, because expecting an apology would be too much to ask, since they have never done that before. Oh wait...

Also, did they resend all the bans of legitimate players yet? Anyone who lost a mule care to answer that?


This is what I am wondering too. No offense to japanese player but for being known to be atleast humble SE is not this. I expect to see a apology but not anytime soon.


Any apology probably has to be run through their legal department. Expect a vague and evasive apology.

Also, on the augment issue, I doubt I will get my charge back on my weapon that was eated by the pixie. GM thought I was a crack and waited too long to get. (Sorry I don't have the Screen shots where the GM thought I was on crack *SARCASM ALERT*)
#22 Aug 03 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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This is a "good enough" solution, as far as I'm concerned, as long as they discontinue banning people who garden and npc the results on multiple content IDs. Greaty slows down gil production for RMTs without seriously hurting legitimate players. 90 days seems a bit longish, though. Maybe 1 month. Maybe just 2 weeks, to get rid of the free trial gardening mules.
#23 Aug 03 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Expect a vague and evasive apology.


I am not even expecting a genuine apology. If we get anything it will be one of the "Yeah sure, we are reeaaalllllyyyyy sorry. Now can I have your money?" variety.



Edited, Aug 3rd 2009 1:06pm by spcwill
#24 Aug 03 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
So... are they going to address what was said about them banning? I would really like them to come out with a statement. On another note they seem to be getting to over zelish about dealing with rtm its true that you need to lessens some rights to keep a society ruing right by to take away rights seems like a dictatorship.
#25REDACTED, Posted: Aug 03 2009 at 12:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do they mean 90 days play time or 90 days since character creation? They wrote characters created 90 days previous but that can mean so many things.
#26 Aug 03 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Wow SE, that's so cold... dare I say chilly?

Sorry that's the first thing that came to mind since BeastmenLord posted this one. XD
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