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I doubt soloing a relic will be efficient, its still gunna cost 500k to enter dyna unless they lower that too... I think 4-6 blm againg everything will keep currency high but then u lose treasure hunter on every mob.. so I think only by mass killing could u keep it efficient

Good point didnt think of /thf forgot they will have th2 now.

In terms of low-maning or soloing old endgame with lvl 99, it'd be nice but I see SE level-capping Dynamis et al. Maybe not to 75, maybe to 80. Then again it is possible, because if you'll look at the graphic for upcoming updates, they're completely removing level caps from Promathia missions. This would indicate that they do want players to catch up on old content quickly, at least mission wise.

Edited, Feb 28th 2010 8:25pm by cookiesmonster

You forgot a whole job too lol.

Like others have said in the topic, this is probably the most important paragraph in the whole thing. That's SE's way of slipping in the warning about neutering everything. :P
Second most important text would be the asterisk at the top where it says it's all subject to change anyway. We know nothing until the patch actually happens, as that ranger enmity change showed us last time.

Some of the abilities and/or spells will very likely be locked, but obviously lose some potency. We see it everywhere in the game. Utsu ni shadows lowered subbed, dnc FMs reduced to 1/step when subbed, meditate giving less TP, locking out call wyvern on drg.
Their skill system will take care of a lot of limitations (like those DRK abilities won't do much good for someone with no corresponding native skill), and they will probably police the rest and make it far less impressive than some of us are hoping for.

Sure would be fun to play around with Blu/Rdm, though, with convert, haste, refresh. raise, cure4... as well as it's offered phalanx, blink, stoneskin (even with limited enhancing)... even some easy ice spike and en-spell fun (just shy of II). No new fast cast tier, but if the sub is worth using, the fast cast would be greatly appreciated, and likely make some gear worth using more often.

Would give /nin a run for it's money, since it could have zephyr mantle and blink both, as well as haste and phalanx. /Nin's Yonin/Innin, new DW tier, and access to every ichi and ni ninjutsu (nice in some situations anyway) would be pretty wild, too, though.

Just one more thing that will be interesting to see, for sure.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/event/vanafes2010/index.html

WHM af using convert. Guess SJs will go to 40 at least.

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And this is actually a pretty good thinking. It would be another kick in the nuts of the community though, its like saying:

"Level cap raised to 99*"

*Restrictions migh apply

Thats SE we are talking about. You doubt this why?

If they don't limit it, it's going to be absurd. Instead of competing against 2 or 3 LS for Dynamis/Limbus areas, or for sky pops, you'll be competing against twenty duo/trio setups. Instead of Fafnir being a standoff of three bots, it's going to be a ************ of epic proportions.

With Remora getting merged with Leviathan, it's going to be bad enough. If they don't limit the levels in current zones, it is going to be worse.

Although, as a multiple account user, being able to "solo" my own currency is definitely appealing.

Blue Mage could be added to the list.

I promise they will make alot of iconic Job Abilities/Spells Main Job only. For instance Refresh will most likely remain the domain of RDM only...unless they give RDM another level of Refresh at 76 o.O

EDIT: I made an account to post this. Been lurking for 5 years, first post, just because people are doing the whole "OMG-the-unknown-is-scary-lets-panic-now-before-we-know-anything" thing. Drives me nuts I tell ya lol.

TL;DR: Just wait poppets, it'll be okay.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 11:02am by allsopman

I certainly think /whm will only have niche uses, but I wouldn't dismiss the ability to sleep things so quickly. Might make some things PLD-soloable which currently aren't. Or it might not, but /whm will also give afflatus: solace, adding a stoneskin effect to cures* and MDB to bar-spells. And Regen II+auto-regen, which isn't game-breaking but is a small bonus.

I also think there will still be things for which /rdm is superior to /dnc. The ability to have refresh and haste at the same time, unaffected by whether the mob has mp (or by your accuracy); stoneskin, phalanx, ice spikes on the defensive side; en-spells for things which can become immune to phys. damage, fast cast. And another tier of MDB lol.

/dnc is definitely going to get better as well though, admittedly (and it was already very nice - I love me some /dnc in campaign). Violent flourish alone might make it the obvious sub choice for some situations. Subtle blow/reverse flourish aren't so much of a big deal but as free extras aren't that bad. I think /dnc will get nicer for NIN by a larger amount, since NIN benefits more from evasion bonus and subtle blow. Plus the ability to stun something which would have stripped your shadows will be awesome :]


*which is nice because as well as being free in terms of mp, you're also getting it free in terms of casting time, and cures are faster to cast than SS, leaving less chance of interruption.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 4:19pm by KisharBlack

I think they will limit individual abilities for certain subjobs but not their levels.

And, I think we've seen the end of Nin being the only subjob of choice for many. With RDM being able to Protect, Shell, Heal as well as Refresh itself, it will be the new subjob of choice for many activities. Fighting a mob that constantly aoe shadows off makes /Nin worthless. A healing sub that can buff/heal/refresh itself would definitely be a better choice.